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Big Uncle

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Who Gave The Name 'Dorje Shugden'?
« on: December 01, 2010, 08:27:16 AM »
Extracted from 'Music Delighting An Ocean Of Protectors' pg 108

It would appear that the name, 'Dorje Shugden Tsel', Mighty Dorje Shugden, was also given by the Great Dharma King Nechung. As said in the Sakya edition of the wrathful torma ritual for Shugden that Sachen Kunga Lodro composed,

As for this method, there was an incarnate Lama contemporary with the Great Fifth Dalai Lama by the name of Tulku who was renowned to be the incarnation of Panchen Sonam Dragpa who had broad eyes of wisdom in upholding the teachings. Others became jealous of his activities. He died because of sudden bad circumstances, during a moment of unhappiness, and because of the bad passing, for about one month, sounds such as that of being squeezed came out of the silver reliquary stupas into which his relics had been placed. Therefore, the relics were removed and his house was destroyed. The wood was thrown into the river and came to the White Spring of Dol. They remained there so that the damsi, the commitment spirit, became widely renowned as Dol Gyal, the King of Dol. He escaped from among many who sought to suppress, burn, and expel him, even showing signs in some cases. Whether he was a pure king spirit or the risen deceased, when there was nothing else to do about it but include him in the legacy, the Great Dharmapala Nechung said,

'No one can compete with him! He is the one called Dorje Shugden Tsel, The Mighty One Endowed With Vajra Strength!'

Thinking about the name he used, 'Dorje', Vajra, as in the context of Vajrayana, we can infer that he does not seem to be a protector that was bound to oath and named by glorious Hayagriva or Guru Rinpoche. Scholars and yogis, please check!

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Re: Who Gave The Name 'Dorje Shugden'?
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 02:41:52 PM »
Panchen Sonam Dragpa is an enlightened being fully accomplished displayed the signs, His reincarnation Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen renowned as fully enlightened and of great esteem showing signs and indications what mad line of though could come to the conclusion that this being could somehow degenerate from a state of enlightenment such would deny cause and effect ( See ive been reading Trijangs commentary :) ) A murdered Lama becoming a lowly spirit....WLOS  ::)

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Re: Who Gave The Name 'Dorje Shugden'?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 02:31:14 PM »
Panchen Sonam Dragpa is an enlightened being fully accomplished displayed the signs, His reincarnation Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen renowned as fully enlightened and of great esteem showing signs and indications what mad line of though could come to the conclusion that this being could somehow degenerate from a state of enlightenment such would deny cause and effect ( See ive been reading Trijangs commentary :) ) A murdered Lama becoming a lowly spirit....WLOS  ::)
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You are absolutely right , Zach.

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Re: Who Gave The Name 'Dorje Shugden'?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2010, 08:14:58 AM »
Thanks for this insight - it's a nice surprise to hear that it was Nechung who named Dorje Shugden.

What a contradiction this is that it is now, apparently, Nechung, who is denouncing this practice as unsuitable and giving prophecies that Dorje Shugden is a spirit.

Quite illogical that he would name a being by "Dorje" meaning indestructible and therefore, a fully enlightened being.... and then later call him a spirit, which infers that he was not indestructible like a Dorje in the first place!

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Re: Who Gave The Name 'Dorje Shugden'?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2010, 12:40:10 PM »
This contradiction is just another strange thing about this whole episode. It is common knowledge that Nechung is condemning Dorje Shugden, but Nechung was the one who spoke to Duldzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to start of with and the one who requested him to be the 'uncommon Protector', Nechung also spoke to Panchen Sonam Drakpa to remind him of his promise to be the Protector and finally, Nechung spoke to Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen and created the environment for Dorje Shugden to manifest.

In another thread I have also mentioned that it is said that Nechung is about to gain Enlightenment, and that Dorje Shugden is ready to step in as the next Protector of Tibet.

All the above being the case, it is not logical that Nechung is against Dorje Shugden. This would make a great epic movie of intrigue though time will only tell what happens next. We live in exciting times!
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Re: Who Gave The Name 'Dorje Shugden'?
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2011, 10:58:08 PM »
the Great Dharmapala Nechung said,

'No one can compete with him! He is the one called Dorje Shugden Tsel, The Mighty One Endowed With Vajra Strength!'


I love this quote! In addition to what WB said ('It is common knowledge that Nechung is condemning Dorje Shugden, but Nechung was the one who spoke to Duldzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to start of with and the one who requested him to be the 'uncommon Protector'), contradictory information such as these only proves that:

1. Sangha members who are truly committed to learning the dharma, but have "given up" their DS practice, are definitely still practicing it. Being unable to logically understand and accept the ban is not a basis to drop a sacred and powerful practice that has been done and relied upon for years.

2. Those who have very easily and quickly drop the practice are not very learned in their studies. Either uneducated or blinded by extreme faith...they have chosen to not question and to just follow.

How unfortunate that they have given up the great Dorje Shugden's practice...