Hi,
what is the reason that there are only worldly benefits mentioned (wealth, business, intelligence,...) and no spiritual benefit. Actually, Dorje Shugden is a Dharma protector and not a worldly protector. Very often, good business is an obstacle for the spiritual development but financial problems, sickness,... could be helpful for the spiritual development.
Regards
Godi
I personally like the brochures very much.
I have downloaded them and printed over 10,000 copies so far to be given away. I have given away over 3,000 so far.
I vow to Dorje Shugden that I will print over 108,000 copies of this brochure from this website and have it passed out in various countries where I travel with my friends in this few years.
The young are wonderful to bring Dorje Shugden to as they are not as jaded. And they will research, read and think.
Hi,
what is the reason that there are only worldly benefits mentioned (wealth, business, intelligence,...) and no spiritual benefit. Actually, Dorje Shugden is a Dharma protector and not a worldly protector. Very often, good business is an obstacle for the spiritual development but financial problems, sickness,... could be helpful for the spiritual development.
Regards
Godi
Now, we are cooking. Try passing out the phamplet in a town that is 99.9% Mormon. Makes for either no conversation or confusion as to the possibilties of alternate Universes existing state to state. LoL
I love the sense of Unity, even if it is as it is, with time,space and distance between allof us.
We might almost be in the same room.
Emptymountain_ these goofy anti dudes are 'Dumber than a Bag Full Of Hammers"!
He'll never figure it out!
I feel like flying kites over the Microwave Towers!
Send some Sunshine into the Old Dalia's Dungeons
Where he keeps under lock and key
Blindfolded Mimics that are muted and dumb
From too many years
Acting less than they were
like a Wood Block!
Pinnochio is the name of the Cult
His nose is growing longer
It comes from lies and age
Just to remind him of the Good Old Days!
Sorcerer's Apprentice
His Goofiness is being called to task,
The Supreme Master is Coming Back!
I personally will start donating copies of Heart Jewel to local libraries. We don't have any other books about Dorje Shugden yet, do we? I just printed out the Dorje Shugden History website the other day, and it was nearly 200 pages! <hint hint>
I was thinking that maybe there is a disagreement on this due to cultural differences. If I was to spread this brochure around my city in England I don't think it would be very effective. People here are very cynical and this would probably just make people grasp more strongly to their wrong views.
Putting out nice publicity for meditation classes with a beautiful image of Buddha on and a little blurb about happiness coming from a peaceful mind would be more effective.
Maybe in Malaysia where people are more open to religion these brochures would be more effective.
Love,
Dunc.x
I was thinking that maybe there is a disagreement on this due to cultural differences. If I was to spread this brochure around my city in England I don't think it would be very effective. People here are very cynical and this would probably just make people grasp more strongly to their wrong views.
Putting out nice publicity for meditation classes with a beautiful image of Buddha on and a little blurb about happiness coming from a peaceful mind would be more effective.
Maybe in Malaysia where people are more open to religion these brochures would be more effective.
Love,
Dunc.x
I was thinking that maybe there is a disagreement on this due to cultural differences. If I was to spread this brochure around my city in England I don't think it would be very effective. People here are very cynical and this would probably just make people grasp more strongly to their wrong views.
Putting out nice publicity for meditation classes with a beautiful image of Buddha on and a little blurb about happiness coming from a peaceful mind would be more effective.
Maybe in Malaysia where people are more open to religion these brochures would be more effective.
Love,
Dunc.x
Hi Mohani,
I think your statement very good. The different interprations about the flyer's quality is very probably related to the cultural differences between our continents. Please do not misunderstand me. I am very happy that there are cultural differences around the world but here in Germany people would never ever believe someone who says "Yesterday I prayed to my God/Protector/Saint and today I have more money/intelligence,....." This is interpreted as cult-like and brainwashing.
I think this flyer will sooner or later be taken by one of the vehement critics to proof that Dorje Shugden is a cult.
My suggestion would be to add to the flyer also the main purpose of the Dharma Protector, i.e. to help people solve their problems in the most efficient way, by helping them controlling their mind and thus remain happy also in difficult times, like in times of sickness, poverty and even death.
Regards
Godi
It may work for Chinese culture. This is not a judgement but an observation: Chinese lay people go to temples and offer large joss sticks and pray for good luck, success and health. So, it reflects a Chinese cultural (not necessarily Buddhist) adaption of Dorje Shugden.
I was thinking that maybe there is a disagreement on this due to cultural differences. If I was to spread this brochure around my city in England I don't think it would be very effective. People here are very cynical and this would probably just make people grasp more strongly to their wrong views.
Putting out nice publicity for meditation classes with a beautiful image of Buddha on and a little blurb about happiness coming from a peaceful mind would be more effective.
Maybe in Malaysia where people are more open to religion these brochures would be more effective.
Love,
Dunc.x
Has anyone asked their respective Spiritual Guides about this?
Has anyone asked their respective Spiritual Guides about this?
hi Alexis
I may have misunderstood but i think the point raised about cultural differences was not so much in reference to the karma accumulated by throwing holy images away etc, more to do with the impact the handout might have on people's minds, whether it would help or hinder the public perception of Shugden practitioners.
Obviously it's negative karma to disrespect a holy image, regardless of where you live.
QuoteHas anyone asked their respective Spiritual Guides about this?
What if one spiritual guide says to do one thing, and another spiritual guide provides different advice? Then you're back to square one - you still believe what you believe, and another person will go along with their own guru's advice.
Then what? You're right and the other person is wrong? Your guru is right and the other guru is wrong? Back to square one, duality and criticising lamas again. What's wrong with reciting Dorje Shugden's mantra for worldly benefit? From his end, he is a Buddha and his mantra itself has power. He himself has already said if you think of him as a Buddha, you will receive the blessings of a Buddha...and this is what the brochure promotes, Dorje Shugden as a Buddha. Besides, Chinese culture already promotes Buddhas as wealth-giving, long-life-granting deities. And the brochure also leads people to this website, where they will find more, and explore more.
I don't mean any disrespect to anyone here, but I'm so tired of just hearing people talk and criticise, talk and criticise, talk and criticise, and doing sod all. Who of you set up this website? Who of you promoted Dorje Shugden to others, without taking to the streets? Without turning people away from the Dharma?
TK's efforts don't harm or hurt anyone...if people think Dorje Shugden is not a Buddha and they throw away the image, they don't receive the merits of his practice. But maybe of the 1000 people you hand it out to, maybe 100 start reciting his mantra, receiving the blessings and planting the seeds to meet Maitreya. What have you done? Are you being compassionate by not trying or doing anything at all? So much hot air, and no action...I distinctly remember forum members telling newcomers that protesting is an acceptable way of supporting the Protector, because it is an ACTIVE way of supporting him...well, from someone else's point-of-view, this is another active way of support. TK's given you a free, nice, easy way of spreading the Protector's image. If you want to do something, fine, do what YOU want but don't bash other people's efforts as cheap, etc. I've never seen TK ridicule or insult other people's efforts to spread Dorje Shugden, even if he might privately disagree with it. Like wisdombeing has suggested, come up with a different design, come up with different languages.
And enough with the snide comments about this being people's karma to bear...or maybe you're just jealous you didn't come up with this idea first. Who knows?
I, for one, am thankful to TK for putting this brochure out. I've distributed in some hospital carparks and if people whose relatives or friends are on their last legs pick up the brochure and find solace in Dorje Shugden and his image, then I think that's one of the best gifts anyone can give them.
If you need to be asking your spiritual guide whether its the right thing to do then the brochure idea is not for you.
Think about it, if your spiritual guide is pro DS then whether our DS image is taken or thrown away is not as important as the goal.
And what is the goal?
To take up the DS practice.
DS is a buddha no matter what, and from a buddhas side there isn't any disrespect / respect isn't that a duality?
If your spiritual guide is anti-DS then there would be no need to even visit this forum or website for that matter as its none of your concern.
:)
QuoteIt leaves me feeling uncomfortable. I mean, 'free card inside' - like a plastic toy in a cereal packet. Landing on the floor along with the junk mail & immediately filed under 'religious crazies' by 99.9% of people who receive it as an unsolicited item.
I completely agree with Middleway! This is really a sorry initiative.
Dorje Shugden, the highest most secret and inconceavable object of knowledge in Samsara and Nirvana is now reduced to a crakerjack handout! :'(
It's cheap...
Take example of the Bamiyan Buddha statue in Afghanistan. The people who built it had benefitted a lot of people, the people who saw and worshipped the Bamiyan Buddha had collected a lot of merits, but for the same statue, the people who destroyed it also collected a lot of bad karma.
The same logic also applies to this DS brochure, it may benefit some who found the DS brochure/card useful and eventually do the practice because of the borchure/card, thus collecting merits and gaining attainments, likewise there are also people who would throw it away thus collecting some bad karma.
So only if you think the Bamiyan statue should not be built in the first place, then you can criticize the making and spreading of the DS brochure. Otherwise you are practising double-standard.
How kind of the webmaster to make this site so accessible and rich with updated unbiased info for ds fans and newbies. TK’s efforts in spreading DS’s protecting and wishfulling powers to everyone is inspiring.
I believe that if one’s motivation, like TK’s is sincere and for the benefit of others , it does not matter if the methods used may not be ideal. Which method is anyway? Until someone comes up with a better one, it’s the best at the moment.
Hopefuly, this "brochure" is going to remain a far-eastern thing.
I sincerly hope this is not the kind of Dharma we are trying to sow in the West : the "money-lucky" type!
In Libertation, Pabongkha always puts down this kind of worldly dharma. And compares it to "forcing a King to sweep off the floor" (I don't remember which page). In the present case, this sentence is to be read litteraly!
I sincerly hope westerners will be more philosophically oriented and not stain the gelugpa Dharma with a "luck and wealth" mentality.
All the teachings I've received from high lamas have been clear on this, and I'm sure its the same for you....
Hopefuly, this "brochure" is going to remain a far-eastern thing.
I sincerly hope this is not the kind of Dharma we are trying to sow in the West : the "money-lucky" type!
In Libertation, Pabongkha always puts down this kind of worldly dharma. And compares it to "forcing a King to sweep off the floor" (I don't remember which page). In the present case, this sentence is to be read litteraly!
I sincerly hope westerners will be more philosophically oriented and not stain the gelugpa Dharma with a "luck and wealth" mentality.
All the teachings I've received from high lamas have been clear on this, and I'm sure its the same for you....
QuoteIt leaves me feeling uncomfortable. I mean, 'free card inside' - like a plastic toy in a cereal packet. Landing on the floor along with the junk mail & immediately filed under 'religious crazies' by 99.9% of people who receive it as an unsolicited item.
I completely agree with Middleway! This is really a sorry initiative.
Dorje Shugden, the highest most secret and inconceavable object of knowledge in Samsara and Nirvana is now reduced to a crakerjack handout! :'(
It's cheap...
Dear Alexis
I agree with you about the nature of Dorje Shugden. Because of his nature, how can he be reduced to a crakerjack handout as you perceived. The way I view it, even if he is in a "free card" and pops out from a crakerjack box, people will still get blessings. And this is what I rejoice in that people are getting the brochures and yes, enlightened image for "free".
best wishes always
DSFriend
I sincerly hope westerners will be more philosophically oriented and not stain the gelugpa Dharma with a "luck and wealth" mentality.
Admin, my post have nothing to do with discrimination, contrary to what TK seem to imply. I am only establishing a clear distinction between different approaches to buddhism.
TK,
If you had paused to take a breath, you would have noticed I said "far-eastern" not eastern.
Moreover, this sort or "lucky-money" type of arguments is mostly used when dharma is introduced to far-eastern "practitionners". You can find it almost everywhere buddhism is present in the far-east. Tsem tulku uses that money argument a lot in his videos. For example, I remember him explaining the yellow of Tsongkhapa's hat to means: « money, money, money... ». The "luck" thing is a chinese traditionnal fixation, not a western one.
This brochure follows in this path of presenting Dorje Shugden as a "lucky-wealth god" is obviously directed, in its basic concept, toward han-malasian-singapourean-etc. audience. It's not aiming at western conceptual representations. Read what's written on the "brochure" and try to sell that as buddhism to a westerner. Buddhism in the west is usually associated with detachment and renunciation, not "lucky-wealth spirits".
I'll end it here for now.
Admin, my post have nothing to do with discrimination, contrary to what TK seem to imply. I am only establishing a clear distinction between different approaches to buddhism.
I am married to a Tibetan. Don't try to portray me into something I am not.
I"ll say it one last time: "lucky-money" type of arguments only works in the far-east because the "lucky" thing is a traditional concept for them. However, it leaves most westerners interested in buddhism indifferent, if not bewildered because we have this "funny idea" that buddhism is about renunciation.
I wonder what Pabongkha Dorjechang would have said seeing this brochure. I quite sure of what Kyabje Dagom Dorjechang would have said! He didn't really have patience for this sort of "dharma".
Maybe I"m too "old school" for this website.QuoteAlexis if you can't help with this goal, then whats your point of posting here?
Are you formally requesting someone who doesn't share your entusiam about this brochure to leave this forum?
Its comments like Alexis's that show the measure of a mans practice. Very glad he has the guts to put his ego out in the open for all to see.
Far Eastern? please... how far east do we go before we end up in the west?
Putting down practitioners in the east? Putting western practitioners on a pedestal?
What is this guy on? If i were to redesign the brochure for the west then there would be lots of flesh and hedonism on the brochure and DS would be your ticket to getting more of this, why? because that would be the hook for the western mentality, or lost souls so to speak.
You only need to take a stroll down your countries high streets, or frequent a few night clubs to see the state of a society. It doesn't matter what culture your in, the rich want to stay or become richer, and the poor want what they don't have.
And in all of these environments what is missing is our beloved Protector and the Dharma.
Alexis if you can't help with this goal, then whats your point of posting here?
Admin, my post have nothing to do with discrimination, contrary to what TK seem to imply. I am only establishing a clear distinction between different approaches to buddhism.
TK,
If you had paused to take a breath, you would have noticed I said "far-eastern" not eastern.
Moreover, this sort or "lucky-money" type of arguments is mostly used when dharma is introduced to far-eastern "practitionners". You can find it almost everywhere buddhism is present in the far-east. Tsem tulku uses that money argument a lot in his videos. For example, I remember him explaining the yellow of Tsongkhapa's hat to means: « money, money, money... ». The "luck" thing is a chinese traditionnal fixation, not a western one.
This brochure follows in this path of presenting Dorje Shugden as a "lucky-wealth god" is obviously directed, in its basic concept, toward han-malasian-singapourean-etc. audience. It's not aiming at western conceptual representations. Read what's written on the "brochure" and try to sell that as buddhism to a westerner. Buddhism in the west is usually associated with detachment and renunciation, not "lucky-wealth spirits".
I'll end it here for now.
Hopefuly, this "brochure" is going to remain a far-eastern thing.
I sincerly hope this is not the kind of Dharma we are trying to sow in the West : the "money-lucky" type!
In Libertation, Pabongkha always puts down this kind of worldly dharma. And compares it to "forcing a King to sweep off the floor" (I don't remember which page). In the present case, this sentence is to be read litteraly!
I sincerly hope westerners will be more philosophically oriented and not stain the gelugpa Dharma with a "luck and wealth" mentality.
All the teachings I've received from high lamas have been clear on this, and I'm sure its the same for you....
TK, contrary to what you imply, I never made a racist remark. You are red with anger and you are not thinking clearly. This is what I said:QuoteI sincerly hope westerners will be more philosophically oriented and not stain the gelugpa Dharma with a "luck and wealth" mentality.
I also pointed out that the "luck and wealth" approach to buddhism is mostly found in the far-east, as this "brochure" makes evident, it's clearly not intended for a western audience.
I said this because I have never ever met one westerner who became interested to buddhism for "luck and wealth". And I was wishing it stayed that way!
I severly condemn (but hey, who I am I?) the lowering of Dorje Shugden to "luck and wealth" god in order to harvest new practitionners, because it affects all of gelug Dharma, not just the new guys. It's a form of Dharma degeneration that affects the whole tradition.
Now please all stop making ad hominem attacks, it only show a lack of intellectual rigour.
TK, contrary to what you imply, I never made a racist remark (or put down anyone). You are red with anger and you are not thinking clearly. This is what I said:QuoteI sincerly hope westerners will be more philosophically oriented and not stain the gelugpa Dharma with a "luck and wealth" mentality.
I also pointed out that the "luck and wealth" approach to sell buddhism is mostly found in the far-east, as this "brochure" and many far-eastern buddhist websites makes evident, it's clearly not intended for a western audience.
I said this because I have never ever met one westerner who became interested to buddhism for "luck and wealth". And I was wishing it stayed that way!
I severly condemn (but hey, who I am I?) the lowering of Dorje Shugden to "luck and wealth" god in order to harvest new practitionners, because it affects all of gelug Dharma, not just the new guys. It's a form of Dharma degeneration that affects the whole tradition.
Now please all stop making ad hominem attacks, it only show a lack of intellectual rigour.
TK,
One final thing. I never sais westerners are superior, never! I was wishing they avoid the money mentality...it's not the same.
Your posts deformed my remarks.
However, it's true that I am implying that the "money-lucky" mentality is being used by some lamas working in the far-east to spread buddhism.
Of this, there are proofs all over the net (including in this website!)...and it's sad!
Next time you see this "money-lucky" argument being put foward by some lama, you think of me man, OK?
I am married to a Tibetan. Don't try to portray me into something I am not.What has being married to a Tibetan got to do with what's being discussed. Nobody is portraying you into anything except your own thoughts and speech.
I"ll say it one last time: "lucky-money" type of arguments only works in the far-east because the "lucky" thing is a traditional concept for them. However, it leaves most westerners interested in buddhism indifferent, if not bewildered because we have this "funny idea" that buddhism is about renunciation.
I wonder what Pabongkha Dorjechang would have said seeing this brochure. I quite sure of what Kyabje Dagom Dorjechang would have said! He didn't really have patience for this sort of "dharma".
Maybe I"m too "old school" for this website.
TK asked to be productive and bring some positive ideas. OK, I try to put my 2 cents.
Another way to spread the Dharma as taught by Je Tsongkhapa and protected by Dorje shugden is to:
* run a Dharma Center
* organise meditation classes
* invite teachers for talks in your town
* make pubicity for these teachings (using holy pictures of JE Tsongkhapa, etc.)
* write to the newspaper for advertising these teachings
* go to the teachings and show a good example
* spend money for a Dharma Center
* help new people to enjoy the first meeting with the Dharma
* study dharma and put it into practice to become a qualified teacher oneself
* etc
There are hundreds of possibilities to spread pictures of Dorje Shugden as you can see.
TK,
One final thing. I never sais westerners are superior, never! I was wishing they avoid the money mentality...it's not the same.
QuoteDhammasiri says:
May 20, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I’m a bit confused because I thought Buddhists took refuge in Buddha and I didn’t know they also worship spirits. I’m interested in learning more about Tibetan Buddhism but find this really strange. Can someone tell me how this type of Buddhism is different from shamanism? Is this something that all Buddhists do or is it just a Tibetan thing? I haven’t seen any references to it in Theravada teachings.
Pabongkha Rinpoche says praying for this life is not even Dharma! So exactly what are we spreading here with this brochure?
Answer: A degenerate spirit worship form of shamanism! Nothing more.
QuoteDhammasiri says:
May 20, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I’m a bit confused because I thought Buddhists took refuge in Buddha and I didn’t know they also worship spirits. I’m interested in learning more about Tibetan Buddhism but find this really strange. Can someone tell me how this type of Buddhism is different from shamanism? Is this something that all Buddhists do or is it just a Tibetan thing? I haven’t seen any references to it in Theravada teachings.
Pabongkha Rinpoche says praying for this life is not even Dharma! So exactly what are we spreading here with this brochure?
Answer: A degenerate spirit worship form of shamanism! Nothing more.
QuoteDhammasiri says:
May 20, 2010 at 6:46 pm
I’m a bit confused because I thought Buddhists took refuge in Buddha and I didn’t know they also worship spirits. I’m interested in learning more about Tibetan Buddhism but find this really strange. Can someone tell me how this type of Buddhism is different from shamanism? Is this something that all Buddhists do or is it just a Tibetan thing? I haven’t seen any references to it in Theravada teachings.
Pabongkha Rinpoche says praying for this life (ex: wealth) is not even Dharma! So exactly what are we spreading here with this brochure?
Answer: A degenerate spirit worship form of shamanism! Nothing more.
Certainly not dharma...
This has been most interesting debate...
...and the solution to this problem is Lamrim, as usual.
In the original Lamrim-scheme of Atisha, there are four scopes of motivation to religious practice:
- the wish to have happiness in this life
- the wish to have happiness in the next life
- the wish to have permanent cessation of all suffering (liberation)
- the wish that everyone would have permanent cessation of all suffering (full enlightenment)
Later, the tradition collated the first two scopes into one. But nevertheless, it is quite clear, that there is nothing wrong or un-dharmic in approaching the Three Jewels from the perspective of finding a better life just here and now. There are loads of Suttas where Buddha Shakyamuni explains all kinds of methods for "this-worldly happiness and prosperity" - how to treat one's spouse for a happy marriage, how to invest the business profits for a pleasurable and secure future, how to avoid angering all kinds of local spirits for a calamity free life, and so forth. All this is Dharma, as found in Pali Canon, and as classified as the very start of the path to enlightenment in the Lamrim.
There are those who start meditating because they want mental peace and more harmonious relationships, there are those who start practicing because they want success to their family business. The first reason might be more prevalent in the 'modern West', and the latter in the 'traditional East', but still, they are both on the same level of being the very start of the religious path.
If one approaches a Dharmapala so that one could achieve mental fortitude, luck in business, or freedom from interfering spirits, it is all right indeed, for it is just that very Dharma, the first stage of Lamrim, the start of the Path.
If Pabongkhapa said somewhere at some point to some listeners that "practice for this life is not Dharma", he either did not know the Suttas or the Lamrim, or else he was trying to shake a little some lazy hedonists in his audience. I would bet the latter option rings more true.
Now of course, if one defines true Dharma practice as being free from the eight worldly concerns, as is sometimes done, then Pabongkhapa was totally right indeed, but by that token, almost nobody would practice any Dharma, so that definition cannot be taken as a generally valid one but as a specific statement intended for specific audiences. This must be true, because there are other definitions of true Dharma as well that relate to other stages of Lamrim. True Dharma can also be said to start from the stage of Mahayana bodhichitta, or Hinayana renunciation, or general Refuge arising from fear of lower rebirth and faith in the Three Jewels, this latter being implied by the freedom from eight worldly concerns.
And furthermore, for example, there are many many prayers given by Buddha himself and by great lineage-masters, where Tara is especially invoked to help in "this-worldly matters", like saving from the eight fears, or granting offspring, or bestowing success to one's business, or averting spirits. In short, there is nothing un-dharmic in praying and practicing for the happiness of this life. It is in fact the very start of Lamrim. If it is in harmony with Pali Suttas, Lamrim-teachings, and Tara practices, it must be okay with Dorje Shugden as well.
blessings,
Zhalmed Pawo
By the way, re your reference to HE Tsem Tulku - over the past few months, I have been avidly watching his videos on youtube. Many of the times, he is speaking tongue in cheek. I have heard him talk about his pandit's hat (see the 'Journey to Gaden' video, where he received it from the monks of his khamtsen - sorry not sure about spelling) and it is definitely respectful. If we quote Tsem Lama out of context, we can have a field day, but if we look at his teachings OVERALL, I bow to his amazing knowledge and skilful means.
Dear Mohani,
Whatever was being handed out was insignificant to the actual protests that many people were against. Outright shocking. But I do not condemn them.
My point, new times calls for new measures. Check our motivation, and if possible our teachers and then proceed. Nothing we do will ever be in full agreemant by everyone. That is ok too.
Thank you for sharing,
TK
QuoteIf Pabongkhapa said somewhere at some point to some listeners that "practice for this life is not Dharma", he either did not know the Suttas or the Lamrim, or else he was trying to shake a little some lazy hedonists in his audience.
(snip) ............. Again, ZP, be careful how you speak about our lineage masters! Please! ............ (snip)
Atisha did not describe four scopes, only three: "Understand there are three kinds of persons because of the small, middling and supreme capacities..."
I think "shared" is a more accurate term than "common". It means that the part of the path that is shared with the Hinayana, but that part of the path is traversed with a Mahayana motivation.
And I totally agree with TK about creating new brochures. I've certainly be excited to see them and to learn what would work for people around the world. Perhaps provide different languages as well.
I think people generally don't take any brochure too seriously but it serves as a valuable entry point for people to go find out more, try the trial product, claim their free trial gift, visit that shop or click onto the website. Especially in the case of spirituality - if you could help even one person by this, it would be worth it. If people don't like it, as Wisdom Being and TK have already pointed out, it is also okay as different things appeal to different people at varying levels.
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Free postcards are an excellent idea Dulz... and yes, they're v popular around London.. a lot of people collect them too.. ooo... i'm gonna go and check it out.... exciting!!!
Wow! I think the brochure is a great idea! It's a skillful way of creating awareness and planting seeds of Dorje Shugden in people's mindstream. Creating the karmic affinity for the masses! Wonderful!
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Hahaha I'd love for my postie to pick up a DS card...with the sour look on his face, he needs a bit of DS lovin'!
But then wouldn't the TGIE be able to track where the cards go to, and identify DS supporters? ;)
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Free postcards are an excellent idea Dulz... and yes, they're v popular around London.. a lot of people collect them too.. ooo... i'm gonna go and check it out.... exciting!!!
Why not?? Many Buddhist organizations have various Buddha/Buddhist images available on postcards for sales all over the world.
TK
Free postcards are more popular than brochures, especially around university union bars and the hip and happening hangouts around London. Imagine a series of funky, grungey Dorje Shugden postcard designs that were uber-cool! People would probably collect them, even write to their friends with them! 8)
Hahaha I'd love for my postie to pick up a DS card...with the sour look on his face, he needs a bit of DS lovin'!
But then wouldn't the TGIE be able to track where the cards go to, and identify DS supporters? ;)
Hey, its just a free postcard, i picked it up down at my local. So sue me!!!
please come up with another one that would suit your countries. Then why can't we have many types of brochures to download. Spend time on creating a new brochure to add to the current one instead of just words please. And submit your brochure to the webmaster. Do something that you think would appeal in Western Countries. Perhaps another enthusiastic person would print out and distribute.
please come up with another one that would suit your countries. Then why can't we have many types of brochures to download. Spend time on creating a new brochure to add to the current one instead of just words please. And submit your brochure to the webmaster. Do something that you think would appeal in Western Countries. Perhaps another enthusiastic person would print out and distribute.
Hi TK,
there are already many very very nice brochures around the world in many languages. Please have a look to the dharma center flyers :D I think these flyers are another very smart way to allow local people to meet the wholy Dharma of Je Tsongkhapa protected by Dorje Shugden
Regards
Guido
Whats next admin, DS fortune cookies?
hello folks
been away a while, seems to be alot of new members and alot of interesting posts. Maybe i will start blogging again. DS brochures, eh? Either a temporary state of madness has befallen on the admin or the admin has had a brainwave. Not exactly sure what side of the camp i'm on and where i'm gonna pitch my tent on this one. I have to say the brochure brought a cheeky smile to my face. Whats next admin, DS fortune cookies?
Also bear in mind that these brochures will hit a new market of people who perhaps are not interested or reluctant to visit a Dharma centre due to their ideas of what a Dharma centre/Buddhism is.
Well, that's where I see the real benefit of protectors, and historically monastic protectors punished those who deviated from rules. It is said at Ganden if Dharmaraja hit you on your head with his club you would come unhinged. There are stories of monks that engaged in business, drinking and other prohibited activities that went mad. This is a real benefit of the Sangha Jewel, not only Dorje Shugden but all of the monastic protectors, who have some fierce energy and control on matters to keep people in line.
Ranger! I don't believe this! You're back!
It's a pity but you will notice that we are very few of the old bunch. Such are things ... impermanent.
Are you going to stay a while?
It sure feels good to have you back.
The Mormons put the 18 year old males out on the street for two years!
Grab your mala,sandal and robes and hit the road!
Some people do not need santification to spread the dharma
Look at all of you people Spreading the Dharma
The Truth Will Win the Hearts and Minds of the People
I think most of you are unrecognized Tulkus anyway!
Train yourselves!
Otherwise, You'll find yourselves just scrambbling to be the King or Queen Of the Rat Pile
please come up with another one that would suit your countries. Then why can't we have many types of brochures to download. Spend time on creating a new brochure to add to the current one instead of just words please. And submit your brochure to the webmaster. Do something that you think would appeal in Western Countries. Perhaps another enthusiastic person would print out and distribute.
Hi TK,
there are already many very very nice brochures around the world in many languages. Please have a look to the dharma center flyers :D I think these flyers are another very smart way to allow local people to meet the wholy Dharma of Je Tsongkhapa protected by Dorje Shugden
Regards
Guido
I would like to share my opinion. Dorje Shugden flyers that stands on its own has its advantages - that it purely promotes the deity without any strings attached to Dharma centres/Lamas and the baggages that come with it and hence less bias. Also, people might be turned off by the brochure if the Dharma centre doesn't appeal to them.
I am sorry, but due to the many reasons - be it political, bad press about certain centres or lamas, some people prefer to not connect with certain Dharma centres or teachers. You might be surprised that I've heard people who refuse to associate with a centre because they don't like the people in the centre, or they think the lama practice demons, or the Dharma centre is too commercial and wants to make money instead of promoting Dharma etc.
With this brochure, they are drawn to this website, which I think is quite neutral and promotes Dorje Shugden mainly instead of a specific lama/centre. That I think is a good entry point for them to explore and have a personal relationship with Dorje Shugden.
Also bear in mind that these brochures will hit a new market of people who perhaps are not interested or reluctant to visit a Dharma centre due to their ideas of what a Dharma centre/Buddhism is.
It's important to introduce new people to dharma centres and meditation classes. Lets advertise the basics first! If leaflet dropping was such a great idea to spread the dharma, the great realised lama's would be doing just that, the fact they are not tells you something you need to know! Ever remember what it was like to be a beginner, when everything was new to you? Gently, gently...................
Yes i think you're all nuts ;D but then again i'm probably nuts to. We got nut's people advising the other nuts people what to do. ??? |It's like the blind leading the blind! I had a special feeling once about a girl, infact special feelings about a few girls. The feelings turned out to be deceptive, and all the girls turned out to be nuts! Rely on sound buddhist logic not your feelings! How about calling this website, 'THE HOLY CHURCH OF DORJE SHUGDEN' ??? We can swap the 'Kelsang' for 'brother' to ???
Dear Ranger, you are going to believe I'm nuts, but I have a very good feeling for the brochure.
Dear Ranger, you are going to believe I'm nuts, but I have a very good feeling for the brochure. My only restriction was the misuse of a sacred image of a Buddha (our Protector) like throwing it to a garbage bin or some such. But the same could be said about publishing Dharma books, you never know how many people will carelessly step on them or mistreat them one way or another. Still you publish them, due to the few or many that hopefully will benefit from them. Same with the brochure. If it can hook one person or a million people to such a beneficial Being as our divine Wisdom Buddha Dorjeshugden, and then, all of these practitioners so happy with their virtuous action of printing and distributing the brochure, their benefit counts too of course ... then I feel something very nice in my heart.
Our generation had a brief and ideal Spring of Dharma, with our holy Gurus who came from the Land of Snows. Now, most of those giants are gone. The times degenerate rapidly. Any action in favor of beings that does not distort Dharma is like answering a 911 call from our beloved mother sentient beings. If there is no serious harm then the slightest benefit, direct or potential, is indeed welcome.
Dear Ranger, you are going to believe I'm nuts, but I have a very good feeling for the brochure. My only restriction was the misuse of a sacred image of a Buddha (our Protector) like throwing it to a garbage bin or some such. But the same could be said about publishing Dharma books, you never know how many people will carelessly step on them or mistreat them one way or another. Still you publish them, due to the few or many that hopefully will benefit from them. Same with the brochure. If it can hook one person or a million people to such a beneficial Being as our divine Wisdom Buddha Dorjeshugden, and then, all of these practitioners so happy with their virtuous action of printing and distributing the brochure, their benefit counts too of course ... then I feel something very nice in my heart.
Our generation had a brief and ideal Spring of Dharma, with our holy Gurus who came from the Land of Snows. Now, most of those giants are gone. The times degenerate rapidly. Any action in favor of beings that does not distort Dharma is like answering a 911 call from our beloved mother sentient beings. If there is no serious harm then the slightest benefit, direct or potential, is indeed welcome.
Inspired by the photos posted of the brochures in various places, here are some brochures... perfectly at home among monks and Buddhas!
Dear Admin,
I have come to the conclusion that handing out DS brochures is very unskillfull. Although i rejoice in your virtue and good intentions, I believe you are wasting your time. Buddha Shakyamuni and basic meditation teachings are the first things you should be introducing to the public. Buddha manifested dharma practitioners to help sincere practitioners to clear obstacles on the path to enlightenment and to help protect Buddha's doctrine. If you really want to help people and you feel you have to leaflet drop like some desperate mormonites, better to advertise meditation classes not dharma protectors who look fearsome and scary to the average Joe. Dharma protectors should only be introduced to practitioners later along the path. All you are going to do is freak people out, and if there not freaked out they will just think your all religious nutters! They will log onto the website and watch the DS oracle taking trance and think we are black magicians. It's important to introduce new people to dharma centres and meditation classes. Lets advertise the basics first! If leaflet dropping was such a great idea to spread the dharma, the great realised lama's would be doing just that, the fact they are not tells you something you need to know! Ever remember what it was like to be a beginner, when everything was new to you? Gently, gently...................
Om mane pame hum
Dear Admin,
I have come to the conclusion that handing out DS brochures is very unskillfull. Although i rejoice in your virtue and good intentions, I believe you are wasting your time. Buddha Shakyamuni and basic meditation teachings are the first things you should be introducing to the public. Buddha manifested dharma practitioners to help sincere practitioners to clear obstacles on the path to enlightenment and to help protect Buddha's doctrine. If you really want to help people and you feel you have to leaflet drop like some desperate mormonites, better to advertise meditation classes not dharma protectors who look fearsome and scary to the average Joe. Dharma protectors should only be introduced to practitioners later along the path. All you are going to do is freak people out, and if there not freaked out they will just think your all religious nutters! They will log onto the website and watch the DS oracle taking trance and think we are black magicians. It's important to introduce new people to dharma centres and meditation classes. Lets advertise the basics first! If leaflet dropping was such a great idea to spread the dharma, the great realised lama's would be doing just that, the fact they are not tells you something you need to know! Ever remember what it was like to be a beginner, when everything was new to you? Gently, gently...................
Om mane pame hum
Are you kidding the only one who will freak out during these times are the people we would hand a meditation brochure to. Get with it man.
Do computers, laptops, touchscreens, mobile phones, iphones, ipads, bluetooth, wireless HD TV, online shopping, electric cars, streaming video, push email, mms, sms, 3g, 4g, web2.0, web3.0, and soon web4.0, if this doesn't mean anything to you, it does to the generation that is growing up with these technologies.
come on theres more scarier things to found online than our little picture of our fierce dharma protector. Freaked out I doubt it, connected this generation is and they do connect worldwide, why not connect with them and share.
The brochure is just a start...
iloveds:)
Dear Admin,
I have come to the conclusion that handing out DS brochures is very unskillfull. Although i rejoice in your virtue and good intentions, I believe you are wasting your time. Buddha Shakyamuni and basic meditation teachings are the first things you should be introducing to the public. Buddha manifested dharma practitioners to help sincere practitioners to clear obstacles on the path to enlightenment and to help protect Buddha's doctrine. If you really want to help people and you feel you have to leaflet drop like some desperate mormonites, better to advertise meditation classes not dharma protectors who look fearsome and scary to the average Joe. Dharma protectors should only be introduced to practitioners later along the path. All you are going to do is freak people out, and if there not freaked out they will just think your all religious nutters! They will log onto the website and watch the DS oracle taking trance and think we are black magicians. It's important to introduce new people to dharma centres and meditation classes. Lets advertise the basics first! If leaflet dropping was such a great idea to spread the dharma, the great realised lama's would be doing just that, the fact they are not tells you something you need to know! Ever remember what it was like to be a beginner, when everything was new to you? Gently, gently...................
Om mane pame hum
Are you kidding the only one who will freak out during these times are the people we would hand a meditation brochure to. Get with it man.
Do computers, laptops, touchscreens, mobile phones, iphones, ipads, bluetooth, wireless HD TV, online shopping, electric cars, streaming video, push email, mms, sms, 3g, 4g, web2.0, web3.0, and soon web4.0, if this doesn't mean anything to you, it does to the generation that is growing up with these technologies.
come on theres more scarier things to found online than our little picture of our fierce dharma protector. Freaked out I doubt it, connected this generation is and they do connect worldwide, why not connect with them and share.
The brochure is just a start...
iloveds:)
If leaflet dropping was such a great idea to spread the dharma, the great realised lama's would be doing just that, the fact they are not tells you something you need to know!
Om mane pame hum
After the passing away of our Lama, our center had not been flourishing for many years. Many students had found other interests and had left. There were only a few disciples remaining despite all our efforts to propagate buddhadharma.
At that time, I was like most of you in this forum: a naive proselitist. My mantra was: spread, baby, spread!
So obviously I was very disapointed with our center remaining small and relatively unknown. We then turned to Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche for help. Rinpoche's answer was:
"It's not the amount of students that matters, but to have the right ones"
Basically this means that the argument saying that we should try to "save" as many people as possible by "converting" them to buddhism is fallacious!....according to the lineage lama!
What Rinpoche was saying in essence is : "small is beautifull!"
In my next posts, I will explain why too many noobs in a dharma center can produce the opposite result than the one that was intended to produce in the first place!
"It's not the amount of students that matters, but to have the right ones"
Basically this means that the argument saying that we should try to "save" as many people as possible by "converting" them to buddhism is fallacious!....according to the lineage lama!
What Rinpoche was saying in essence is : "small is beautifull!"
Honeydakini and Wisdom Being,
You're both very right and you have understood me quite correctly.
For precision's sake, I'll add that, obviously, the idea is to share dharma with others in a dynamic fashion. However, I think Dagom Rinpoche's comments meant that we shouldn't try to grow at all costs...such as in a proselitic manner as we've often seen being the case with other religions and that we buddhist tend more and more to copy "because we have to adapt to modern times".
Rinpoche's comments made it clear this is to be avoided!
QuoteWell that is simple. Then with the hundreds of protests from NKT, WSS, Tibetan Monks, Zawa Tulku Rinpoche, Geshe Cheme Tsering, Geshe Darasing, etc against the Dalai lama, do you need the high lamas to be out there to justify their protests?? So just because the 'HIGH LAMAS' were not protesting, that was a message not to protest??
Those who participated in the protests against the Dalai-Lama will be among the first persecuted by the Evil Chakravartin at the beginning of the Shambala War in 2424.
Buddha Shakyamuni and basic meditation teachings are the first things you should be introducing to the public
better to advertise meditation classes not dharma protectors who look fearsome and scary to the average Joe.
It's important to introduce new people to dharma centres and meditation classes. Lets advertise the basics first!
So the pro and anti-flyer camps are both right.
Do you want Geshe Kelsang standing on the street screaming 'Dalai Lama, Stop Lying???' I don't think it is necessary. Just because Geshe Kelsang wasn't at the protests, doesn't mean he didn't approve. You want Domo Geshe passing out DS brochures to show his approval? Not necessary. We can do it.
Then with the hundreds of protests from NKT, WSS, Tibetan Monks, Zawa Tulku Rinpoche, Geshe Cheme Tsering, Geshe Darasing, etc against the Dalai lama, do you need the high lamas to be out there to justify their protests?? So just because the 'HIGH LAMAS' were not protesting, that was a message not to protest??
QuoteDo you want Geshe Kelsang standing on the street screaming 'Dalai Lama, Stop Lying???' I don't think it is necessary. Just because Geshe Kelsang wasn't at the protests, doesn't mean he didn't approve. You want Domo Geshe passing out DS brochures to show his approval? Not necessary. We can do it.QuoteThen with the hundreds of protests from NKT, WSS, Tibetan Monks, Zawa Tulku Rinpoche, Geshe Cheme Tsering, Geshe Darasing, etc against the Dalai lama, do you need the high lamas to be out there to justify their protests?? So just because the 'HIGH LAMAS' were not protesting, that was a message not to protest??
Dear TK, thank you for speaking like this. Communication is a dangerous field. I had understood that you didn't approve of the demonstrations. I was ok with that, but I certainly prefer what I am reading right now.
Yes i think you're all nuts ;D but then again i'm probably nuts to. We got nut's people advising the other nuts people what to do. ??? |It's like the blind leading the blind! I had a special feeling once about a girl, infact special feelings about a few girls. The feelings turned out to be deceptive, and all the girls turned out to be nuts! Rely on sound buddhist logic not your feelings! How about calling this website, 'THE HOLY CHURCH OF DORJE SHUGDEN' ??? We can swap the 'Kelsang' for 'brother' to ???
Dear Ranger, you are going to believe I'm nuts, but I have a very good feeling for the brochure.
Don't worry about the images of D.S. being thrown onto the floors, or left in garbage bins, I don't think DS minds at all. ....
It is pretty interesting to see how some people are against this little Dorje Shudgen brochure. I noticed something common about them. They are quite old fashioned and not open minded. If buddha has 84000 teachings to suit the different levels of minds of people, then what harm can this brochure do?
For a parachute to work, it must be opened, therefore we must always come with an open mind to reap the potential benefits. I thought buddhists are more open minded. We should rejoice tremendously from our heart that someone like TK and others are distributing and promoting this brochure to reach out to the masses and bring awareness of Dorje Shudgen. This web site is about promoting the practice of Dorje Shugden. I really don't see any point of bashing others' effort unless one come up with a better idea. And even when one would come up with a better idea, we should always be thankful to the pioneers whom, I may say, jump started this campaign.
Don't worry about the images of D.S. being thrown onto the floors, or left in garbage bins, I don't think DS minds at all. Like many have said and I agree no more, if one people picks up this brochurs and his/het life saved becasue of doing the DS practice, even though the person might not be a good practitioner later on, but the "Imprint" has been planted. Even a small inpact like this, is already wonderful.
Triesa
It is pretty interesting to see how some people are against this little Dorje Shudgen brochure. I noticed something common about them. They are quite old fashioned and not open minded. If buddha has 84000 teachings to suit the different levels of minds of people, then what harm can this brochure do?
For a parachute to work, it must be opened, therefore we must always come with an open mind to reap the potential benefits. I thought buddhists are more open minded. We should rejoice tremendously from our heart that someone like TK and others are distributing and promoting this brochure to reach out to the masses and bring awareness of Dorje Shudgen. This web site is about promoting the practice of Dorje Shugden. I really don't see any point of bashing others' effort unless one come up with a better idea. And even when one would come up with a better idea, we should always be thankful to the pioneers whom, I may say, jump started this campaign.
Don't worry about the images of D.S. being thrown onto the floors, or left in garbage bins, I don't think DS minds at all. Like many have said and I agree no more, if one people picks up this brochurs and his/het life saved becasue of doing the DS practice, even though the person might not be a good practitioner later on, but the "Imprint" has been planted. Even a small inpact like this, is already wonderful.
Triesa
I totally agree with you, triesa, so many of them not in agreement yet they are not doing anything or coming out with fresh ideas and suggestions. To be able to benefit a few people by distributing the brochures is better than not doing anything at all. This is a start of a rippling effect as you can see that more people are now in the forum expressing their wish to distribute more.
May we be the ones to help others out there to create the karmic affinity with DS!!!
pgdharma
I did a very bad thing today.......
I forgot my mother's birthday and got to know it in the last hour of the day when she's already fast asleep.
to make up for it, I had 100 brochures distributed with recitation of mantras and hopes that people who get the brochures may benefit.
I had the merits dedicated to mum.
Mum's birthday present this year is special:) she gets DS dedicated to her!
U guys can do the same for your loved ones as well!
cheers,
H1N1
I did a very bad thing today.......
I forgot my mother's birthday and got to know it in the last hour of the day when she's already fast asleep.
to make up for it, I had 100 brochures distributed with recitation of mantras and hopes that people who get the brochures may benefit.
I had the merits dedicated to mum.
Mum's birthday present this year is special:) she gets DS dedicated to her!
U guys can do the same for your loved ones as well!
cheers,
H1N1
Hello,
I find this brochure idea good and I feel quite sad some people here not only do not agree, but put down others effort in promoting Dharma.
I was reading about Bodhisattva Vows and this brochure issue hits my mind: Twelve Faulty Actions That Contradict Working to Benefit Others- Not teaching the reckless in accordance with their character
Reckless (bag-med) persons refer to those who do not care about the laws of behavioral cause and effect and, consequently, whose behavior will bring them unhappiness and problems in this and future lives. We cannot help such people if we are self-righteously indignant and disapproving. To reach them, we need to be skillful and modify our approach to suit their specific situations.
For example, for those who are not interested to join Buddhism to become a Buddha (I think not many people here join Buddhism to be a Buddha?), we do not tell them about Bodhicitta and wisdom methods or tell them to study in monastery many years and leave their wife and kids for ‘renunciation’. The person will probably never have anything to do with us again. Rather, we let them in through this kind of ‘service’ the protector can help them with and later they will have confidence in Buddhism. I know of Christian friends who became Christian because in difficult times, God help them or answered their prayers.
Also, I find it sad when people are being petty when it comes to benefitting others, only think about themselves, that’s why there are many excuses they bring up to not distribute the brochure. I read here that the reason they want to do this is to promote Shugden and help others. Why no support? In Chinese we have a saying, a small sparrow will not know of the will of the swan. If you think small, you will not know how people think big.
Buddha gave many rules for people to train their behavior, for instance we will have to respect all images of
Buddhas as Buddhas . But if the needs of others overrides the necessity to follow this, why not we sacrifice and keep the negative for us for not respecting the Buddha image, because it benefits the other person-somebody might be saved from a car accident.
I read in An Offering Ceremony to the Spiritual Masters, (Bla-ma mchod-pa, The Guru Puja) by The First Panchen Lama (Pan-chen Blo-bzang chos-kyi rgyal-mtshan) , translated by Alexander Berzin
(104) Inspire us to perfect far-reaching joyful perseverance
That even if, for the sake of each limited being, we must remain
For an ocean of eons in the fires of an Uninterrupted Hell,
With compassion, we remain undiscouraged,
And strive ever onward for supreme enlightenment.
So that means we just don’t promote Shugden brochure because we are scared that we disrespect Buddha image? Then you can forget about Bodhicitta. Even Sakyamuni knew in advance that an assassin would kill a large number of people. Out of compassion, Sakyamuni killed this person in order to prevent the deaths of many more.
I did a very bad thing today.......
I forgot my mother's birthday and got to know it in the last hour of the day when she's already fast asleep.
to make up for it, I had 100 brochures distributed with recitation of mantras and hopes that people who get the brochures may benefit.
I had the merits dedicated to mum.
Mum's birthday present this year is special:) she gets DS dedicated to her!
U guys can do the same for your loved ones as well!
cheers,
H1N1
Hello,A warm welcome to you Jingang. Yes i agree with your points..especially how many people join Buddhism to become a Buddha. It's good to read and be reminded of acquiring skillful ways to benefit others...
For example, for those who are not interested to join Buddhism to become a Buddha (I think not many people here join Buddhism to be a Buddha?), we do not tell them about Bodhicitta and wisdom methods or tell them to study in monastery many years and leave their wife and kids for ‘renunciation’. The person will probably never have anything to do with us again. Rather, we let them in through this kind of ‘service’ the protector can help them with and later they will have confidence in Buddhism. I know of Christian friends who became Christian because in difficult times, God help them or answered their prayers.
I rejoice in TK's unwavering effort and committment in spreading Lord Dorje Shudgen. I downloaded the brochure and will start distributing in my neighbourhood. I am inspired and instead of sitting in front of my computer, I should start spreading. Who knows, may be the little red brochure I distribute may save someone's lives :)
Triesa
I hope your identity is well protected, though, otherwise Dharamsala is going to send its goons ...
The brochure drop is amazing fun... I went back to the scene of the crime the other day.
Previously...
Here's what i did, while the shop keepers back was turned I put the card right ontop of his cigarette pack. You know a smoker will eventually find the card when next looking for the nicotine fix.
Just last night...
Right next to his picture of kuan yin, is now DS on his makeshift altar. So nice the feeling that some one kept protector and not thrown him out.
Anyone else got this kinda story?
The Phillipinos in Phillipines love it and find Dorje Shugden very easy to fit in with their other multitude of Catholic Saints.
Dorje Shugden brochures in Europe!!! Placed at one of the most trendiest resteraunts.
Many Europeans love it.
TK
The several Europeans I've come across (and many friends in England), surprisingly, demonstrate a much stronger sense of commitment that we might have expected. Perhaps more so (and I stick my head out on a limb by saying this) than many of the Tibetans themselves, who in their fervour to "protect" the Dalai Lama and his teachings, have resorted to quite some terrible and very un-Buddhist actions and speech. If anything, the peaceful and sincere responses I have met with regarding Dorje Shugden are far more inspiring than the kind of hate-campaigns that DL's own supporters are propagating within their own communities against their own people.
The new breed of monks/nuns filling up the great monasteries are mostly from Tibet itself. Refugees from Tibet. They have very little exposure, education, knowledge, experience, or understanding of anything. They are termed as 'unripes' in the monasteries. Like an unripe fruit. They take on face value what HH the Dalai Lama says. If stirred, these new monks from Tibet can be quite violent at times. And they have been in the past surprisingly.
They are the ones now in Sera, Drepung and Gaden making the noise to follow HH' 'advice' to abandon Dorje Shugden practice. Some of these monks who have followed their teachers (Geshes) for years to receive philosophical teachings/trainings in their respective monasteries, abandon their teachers at the drop of a hat because their teachers practice Dorje Shugden now. That was unheard of in Tibet. Imagine receiving hundreds of hours/if not thousands of hours of philosophical training that is the direct causes for your understanding of Dharma and to become a Geshe, and then now you abandon your teacher BECAUSE HE PRACTICES DORJE SHUGDEN and you suddenly find him not a worthy object of refuge/respect? Well that is exactly what is happening in Sera, Drepung and Gaden now.
These young breed of monks in Sera, Drepung and Gaden are fanatical to follow the literal words of HH The Dalai Lama. If they really were devoted, they would be engaged in practice/study and remain quiet. Not engage in any political activity and never transgress their vows.
Any Tibetan now, if they had the chance to immigrate to another country, they immediately would. Once they are there, next generation of lay Tibetans will more or less by Buddhists by name. The Dorje Shugden issue will have just a distant resonance in their consciousness. It is in the other countries besides India/Tibet/ Nepal that the Dorje Shugden practice will take off. But currently, we need a monastery to manifest in India due to logistics. During this interim phase the Tibetan Clergy can disseminate/transfer this lineage to non-Tibetans.
The Tibetan Ministers in exile know very little if nothing of Buddhism. They have some devotion to HH, but their devotion is more towards a good life, moving abroad and securing their families future. Many of them are quite comfortable in foreign lands or planning a comfortable life there. If they were really devoted, they should set an example and all ministers and ex ministers should stay in India and 'suffer' with the masses. But in their travels with HH to other countries, they are feverish to make connections to immigrate for themselves and their families.
Dorje Shugden brochures in Europe!!! Placed at one of the most trendiest resteraunts.
Many Europeans love it.
TK
Dorje Shugden in a London Cab. The next passenger will be blessed and lucky. Dorje Shugden spreading in various parts of Europe. Many ppl are passing these brochures out. Some even openly. The Tibetan Govt in Exile will never be able to stop us. This movement will CONTINUE TO GROW. Even after HH Dalai Lama has passed and the TGIE is dispersed, we will continue even further. Dorje Shugden's deeds, power and blessings will not be silenced. It will be introduced to many to recieve his benefits. :D
We are just watching for the inevitable collapse of the silly, backwards and incredibly destructive Tibetan Govt in Exile. It's sooner or later. Mostly likely sooner. I am sad for them and will pray for them. But I can't change the negative karma that is heinous in nature they have accummulated individually and as a whole.
TK
Dorje Shugden in a London Cab. The next passenger will be blessed and lucky. Dorje Shugden spreading in various parts of Europe. Many ppl are passing these brochures out. Some even openly. The Tibetan Govt in Exile will never be able to stop us. This movement will CONTINUE TO GROW. Even after HH Dalai Lama has passed and the TGIE is dispersed, we will continue even further. Dorje Shugden's deeds, power and blessings will not be silenced. It will be introduced to many to recieve his benefits. :D
We are just watching for the inevitable collapse of the silly, backwards and incredibly destructive Tibetan Govt in Exile. It's sooner or later. Mostly likely sooner. I am sad for them and will pray for them. But I can't change the negative karma that is heinous in nature they have accummulated individually and as a whole.
TK
Pardon me Lone Hermit, but when you say "Long live the glorious CCP. We should search for the tulku of Mao Tse Tung". I find your sarcasm reminescent of Bobbi Thurman. Maybe you are, I do not care, but your comment was stupid and antagonistic. Mao was an aetheist. I find you insincere and coarse.
Dorje Shugden in a London Cab. The next passenger will be blessed and lucky. Dorje Shugden spreading in various parts of Europe. Many ppl are passing these brochures out. Some even openly. The Tibetan Govt in Exile will never be able to stop us. This movement will CONTINUE TO GROW. Even after HH Dalai Lama has passed and the TGIE is dispersed, we will continue even further. Dorje Shugden's deeds, power and blessings will not be silenced. It will be introduced to many to recieve his benefits. :D
We are just watching for the inevitable collapse of the silly, backwards and incredibly destructive Tibetan Govt in Exile. It's sooner or later. Mostly likely sooner. I am sad for them and will pray for them. But I can't change the negative karma that is heinous in nature they have accummulated individually and as a whole.
TK
Long live the glorious CCP. We should search for the tulku of Mao Tse Tung
hmmm, after an awful lot of contemplation i am beginning to think that giving out DS brochures is actually a good idea. I went to a DS empowerment a few weeks ago in Scotland, we recieved the empowerment from Venerable Tharchin the retreat master in Scotland. He is holier than the holy. For three days he shook non-stop because he suffers from Parkinsons disease. You really have never seen anything like it in your life. He gave the most incredible teaching i have ever recieved in 10 years, it blew everyone away. He told us about his brother who has parkinson and suffers worse than him. He shakes violently for an hour at a time, experiences intense pain and cries non-stop. His brothers not a buddhist, but Tharchin told him to rely on Dorje Shugden. He didn't expect his brother to take his advice. But incredibly his brother took his advice and now goes to refuge to DS. not just once in while but all day long and chants his mantra to. He is feeling much better! :) So i suppose everyone needs DS blessings, even if they just see his picture and nothing else it's good karma all round,
I suppose we give out meditation class leaflets so whats the damned difference? I may even get off my lazy fat ass and distribute some myself, my self-cherishing needs a good kickin! I am having to eat a big slice of humble pie here! lol. (are you listening canada?) But hey doesn't mean i agree with the Tulku business though!
happy days ;D
LR
p.s. whats the best way to print them? On card?
hmmm, after an awful lot of contemplation i am beginning to think that giving out DS brochures is actually a good idea. I went to a DS empowerment a few weeks ago in Scotland, we recieved the empowerment from Venerable Tharchin the retreat master in Scotland. He is holier than the holy. For three days he shook non-stop because he suffers from Parkinsons disease. You really have never seen anything like it in your life. He gave the most incredible teaching i have ever recieved in 10 years, it blew everyone away. He told us about his brother who has parkinson and suffers worse than him. He shakes violently for an hour at a time, experiences intense pain and cries non-stop. His brothers not a buddhist, but Tharchin told him to rely on Dorje Shugden. He didn't expect his brother to take his advice. But incredibly his brother took his advice and now goes to refuge to DS. not just once in while but all day long and chants his mantra to. He is feeling much better! :) So i suppose everyone needs DS blessings, even if they just see his picture and nothing else it's good karma all round,
I suppose we give out meditation class leaflets so whats the damned difference? I may even get off my lazy fat ass and distribute some myself, my self-cherishing needs a good kickin! I am having to eat a big slice of humble pie here! lol. (are you listening canada?) But hey doesn't mean i agree with the Tulku business though!
happy days ;D
LR
p.s. whats the best way to print them? On card?
But incredibly his brother took his advice and now goes to refuge to DS. not just once in while but all day long and chants his mantra to. He is feeling much better! :) So i suppose everyone needs DS blessings, even if they just see his picture and nothing else it's good karma all round
I suppose we give out meditation class leaflets so whats the damned difference?
But hey doesn't mean i agree with the Tulku business though!
LR, good for you to see the good that it can bring to anyone who so sees or just hears the name: DORJE SHUGDEN.
But incredibly his brother took his advice and now goes to refuge to DS. not just once in while but all day long and chants his mantra to. He is feeling much better! :) So i suppose everyone needs DS blessings, even if they just see his picture and nothing else it's good karma all round
But his brother had great faith in venerable Tharchin, has a life threatening illness. This is not the same as someone anonymosly receiving a brochure, no?
Anyway, glad you found the story inspiring.QuoteI suppose we give out meditation class leaflets so whats the damned difference?
Mainly the difference is that when you put up a flyer for meditation, you are offering something that appears non-religious, and people immediately understand how they may benefit. When you put up a Dorje Shugden Flyer, people see someone else's God, and they see that god being aggressively promoted. In general, in the west, people find the promotion of Gods in the public sphere objectionable.QuoteBut hey doesn't mean i agree with the Tulku business though!
So you still have some discrimiantion, then.... :)
His brother wasn't a buddhist and not interested in Buddhism, they also live in seperate countries and don't have much contact. How do know he had great faith in Tharchin? You are only guessing! Tharchin was extremely surprised when he took his advice. It all depends on one's individual karma. When i realised that Tharchin's brother was relying on DS alone and nothing else i found that surprising. Tharchin thought it was just great! So maybe just relying on DS alone is ok and will bring great benefits to some who just choose that path. Ideally it's better to rely on Buddha, dharma and sangha. But if they only rely on DS alone, DS will lead them skillyfully on the correct path in this life or future lives. DS has more wisdom than us in one of his hair pores so better leave him to do the important work.
I think placing leaflets in places is ok as long people are skillful, subtle and as long as you don't get in anyone's face. I think because of the skillful brochure design, people will naturally be and want to know what it is about. DS in conveyed like a super hero on the brochure. lol People love all that superman, spiderman shit! They will naturally want to check him out and see if he's for real! Maybe conveying DS as a superhero is a good idea, He's my super hero so why can't he be someone else's? So how about a DS comic book? (JOKE!) But then again you never know with these editors what's comin next, lol :)
sweet monkeys
LR
So how about a DS comic book? (JOKE!) But then again you never know with these editors what's comin next, lol :)
LR
Another 500 dorje shugden brochures passed out last night!!!
We are also passing them out in Japan. Will upload pictures of Dorje Shugden pamphlets all over Japan soon!!
TK
Another 500 dorje shugden brochures passed out last night!!!
We are also passing them out in Japan. Will upload pictures of Dorje Shugden pamphlets all over Japan soon!!
TK
Dear TK,
It's great what you are doing with the brochures - you and your friends have started to conquer asia & europe. What's next - america and then the rest of the world?
I applaud your method of action dharma. 108,000 brochures is no mean feat and it has inspired me to want to do something. For me and others like me, who for some reasons are unable to physically hand them out, perhaps we can pool together to cover the costs of printing of these brochures and letting some other forum member distribute them on our behalf.
This week another 800 dorje shugden brochures were passed out. Very good job. I thank all my friends from around the world for keeping up this movement.
We have to counter Dharamsala anti-shugden booklets I saw everywhere when travelling.
tk
Countering literature with more literature and information. Constructive, straight to the point, and gets to the masses at ground level.
I too saw the anti-shugden books during the peak of the demonstrations last year and it was difficult to stop myself from marching into the store and taking all the books with me. The people around didnt seem to be paying much attention, and, I wonder if the storekeeper knew exactly what it was he had on his shelf. It was one of those little buddhist meditation centres tucked down a cul-de-sac. What I do know is that I was burning to do something about it.
Whatever mileage Dharamsala gets out of their booklets, TK & his friends sure are doing their bit to correct the misconception of Dorje Shugden and spread his message. Judging from TK's posts, there is certainly something to this brochure-dropping thing.
I repeat my previous call to action - Those who like this idea, please pledge towards printing some for a willing forum member to distribute on your behalf, or buddy up and go for it together. I will start the ball rolling by pledging £20 towards TK's mates in Europe.
I repeat my previous call to action - Those who like this idea, please pledge towards printing some for a willing forum member to distribute on your behalf, or buddy up and go for it together. I will start the ball rolling by pledging £20 towards TK's mates in Europe.
Another 600 brochures has been distributed in the last week.
There are very nice new brochures on the homepage. The designs are very calming and new age-ish. Very attractive indeed.
I will print these new brochures out at the printers and distribute them also.
Ds.com never stops improving and adding new things to enhance what is already so wonderful.
Thank you sincerely to all of your team for working so hard and so many hours so we may have a place to get strength and knowledge for our practice during these difficult times.
tk
Thank you TK for all your efforts you are doing a very good job in distribution ! Many people will be benifited :)
Thank you TK for all your efforts you are doing a very good job in distribution ! Many people will be benifited :)
Zach,
How lovely to see someone rejoice for others! That's true Dharma.
Very refreshing.. thank you for restoring my faith in humanity.
:)
Thanks Zach for your positive words!
This website team works hard to bring Dharma and the protector to others so our support goes a long way to helping them with their sacred mission. Please share your ideas too. What can be improved, or new ideas!
yours, beggar
It would be nice if someone could establish contact with Serpom Monastry as well i would be most pleased to see regular updates from there about their progress ;D
I don't think there is a need to promote Dorje Shugden any more than there is a need to ban the practice. What's important is the Ganden Oral Tradition of lamrim, lojong and Vajrayana Mahamudra. It's the Dharma we need to spread, not a particular Deity practice otherwise others will come to regard us as Theists and believe that the only thing we do is worship Dorje Shugden.
I feel that, because there has been a ban on the practice of DS, there has been an exaggeration of the practice, both from the point of view of those who oppose the practice and those who practise it. Dorje Shugden is simply our protector, not our main practice. It's like if the DL had banned the practice of Tara, those who did not give up the practice would be regarded by 'Taraists'. Would we then be going around giving out brochures promoting Tara? Tara is simply another aspect of our holy Guru, along with Manjushri, Avalokiteshvara and so forth, such exaggeration is not necessary.
It's the Dharma that's important, not a particular Deity. Although Dorje Shugden is important from the point of view of being the Protector who can most easily help us in this degenerate time and being the protector of Je Tsongkhapa's tradition does his practice need to be promoted? It's part of a package of Dharma - what about the Dharma of Je Tsongkhapa? It's the Dharma that's really doing to help others. Wouldn't it be better to advertise your centre's Dharma classes?
A few of my buddies got together last evening to stick the cards to the brochures which we downloaded from this website. We had such a good time spending a couple of hours at it. The tip is to get the brochures and cards printed at the print shop as home printers are just too slow for this job!
I have a friend from Florida that said he found a brochure about a week ago near a beach where he lives. WOW. He knows next to nothing about Dorje Shugden and that is why he sent me a message; he wanted to know more and remembers me mentioning Dorje Shugden a while back. Very cool!
This is amazing to me. A friend of mine from the other side of the country finds a brochure near a beach. How cool is that?!
Wow - Very cool indeed, Tenzin! Amazing how these brochures are so ubiquitous! It's fantastic that your friend remembers that you mentioned Dorje Shugden and contacted you - just from reading a brochure. Your friend must have a karmic link to Dorje Shugden for all these circumstances to synch together. I hope he will be interested to know more and take up this fabulous practice.
I have a friend from Florida that said he found a brochure about a week ago near a beach where he lives. WOW. He knows next to nothing about Dorje Shugden and that is why he sent me a message; he wanted to know more and remembers me mentioning Dorje Shugden a while back. Very cool!
This is amazing to me. A friend of mine from the other side of the country finds a brochure near a beach. How cool is that?!
Another 8,000 or so brochures distributed in the last week.
Will keep at it.
Schevchenko
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@Kelsang Drolma How do you like the site? For me its the best site on Dorje HSugden, it provokes you to think more and deeper. And regularly they come out with their own original materials. Spreading Dorje Shugden practice to others is based on compassion hence distribution of flyers is a method to show out that compassion.
I have distributed another 1,000 brochures.
Will keep distributing.
TK
Distributed 3,000 Dorje Shugden brochures. So very fulfilling to bring Dorje Shugden to so many people.So nice to receive this wonderful news and knowing that more and more people are benefiting from this!
TK
Just like in Tibet, many engage in making tsa tsas out of clay. What do they do with it? So many are left on the mountains.
Effect's the same really. In both cases, people become suffer less. Just the method is different but who is to say which method is correct, when both results are the same and both are positive :)
Just like in Tibet, many engage in making tsa tsas out of clay. What do they do with it? So many are left on the mountains.
Can you imagine, you're at your wits' end on the mountains and you come across a tsa tsa? And after that, you're rescued? How much faith would you instantly develop in the deity?
Or you're in a hospital somewhere, waiting for your loved ones to get better, and then you come across a DS brochure? And after chanting the mantra a couple of times, what looked like a hopeless situation, turned around for the better?
In the silliest example, I know people who have asked the Protector for something as small as help with parking when they are in an emergency. And next thing you know, a space opens up right in front of them. Yes, it's dumb and silly to ask Dorje Shugden for something as mundane as that, and maybe it was just a sheer coincidence, but when I saw how much faith the people developed in him (they now do his mantra everyday), it was worth it.
Effect's the same really. In both cases, people become suffer less. Just the method is different but who is to say which method is correct, when both results are the same and both are positive :)
Dorje Shugden brochures are beings distributed Japan again. Beautiful brochures in Kyoto and Osaka. May Shugden spread further and beyond the reach of 'Governments' like Tibet's in Dharamsala that create religious discrimination.
TK
Thank you Positive Change.
I was looking thu the different countries on this list and comparing the different Buddhist populations and just suddenly thought that it would be so nice so spread awareness of our great protector Dorje Shugden in these places.
So, I personally would like to see this brochure translated into many more languages, for both the Western and Eastern peoples. Is there any one on this forum who is able to translate these brochures into Spanish, Indonesian, Tagalog, Korean, Hindi, Tamil, Mongolian, Italian, Japanese, Bhutanese, Burmese?
Please leave a message on this thread if you are interested to help out in this effort. I have already arranged for translation to French and Vietnamese, and if the administrator of dorjeshugden.com is interested, I would be most happy to forward you the translations to be uploaded to this site!
Once again, I have to say kudos to the admin team for creating these easy to print brochures for us all to distribute within or even outside our own neighbourhoods or countries. We really should have them in various languages and we should contribute to have them translated. Surely we can all pull our resources together and get the translations done in our own native/mother tongue?
Lets help the admin here to show them we are appreciative of their efforts and good works. What we also need to do is snap shots like those TK posted up... it is such a wonderful visual journey! Do our part to spread Dorje Shugden wherever we go and may many many people benefit from the seeds planted from the mere sight of The Kind's holy image.
To get the ball rolling I will commit to having it translated to German by the end of the month for the admin team! Anyone else wants to follow suit?
Thank you Positive Change.
I was looking thu the different countries on this list and comparing the different Buddhist populations and just suddenly thought that it would be so nice so spread awareness of our great protector Dorje Shugden in these places.
So, I personally would like to see this brochure translated into many more languages, for both the Western and Eastern peoples. Is there any one on this forum who is able to translate these brochures into Spanish, Indonesian, Tagalog, Korean, Hindi, Tamil, Mongolian, Italian, Japanese, Bhutanese, Burmese?
Please leave a message on this thread if you are interested to help out in this effort. I have already arranged for translation to French and Vietnamese, and if the administrator of dorjeshugden.com is interested, I would be most happy to forward you the translations to be uploaded to this site!
This is perhaps the most healthy and skilful activity to spread Dorje Shugden to everyone.Yes this is a very healthy and skillful activity to spread Dorje Shugden. Last night me and some friends distributed 1,000 brochures.
So far, for the past 6 months, me and some friends have distributed about 10,000 brochures! We look forward to it every time... it is like an event itself and you can bring it to wherever you go. The movies, clubbing, shopping which is what we often do and there is so many places to put!
We have spotted people picking up the brochures, some keep the card - throw the brochure away. Some keep everything. Some nicely place it away, respectfully.
Wish there would be translation in Italian, French, Japanese etc. We have Thai and Nepali here, would be nice to include the rest :)
Just wanted to say Thank you Admin for creating this opportunity for us to spread DS.
200 brochures distributed in Taipei this week. I left a trail in taxi, MRT stations, hospital, etc. My greatest delight was introducing DS practice to 3 female Generals in Taiwan. They are equivalent to "Hwa Muk Lan" the Chinese General who went in place of her father to war in ancient China. What practice is so appropriate for these Generals other than Dorje Shugden!
200 brochures distributed in Taipei this week. I left a trail in taxi, MRT stations, hospital, etc. My greatest delight was introducing DS practice to 3 female Generals in Taiwan. They are equivalent to "Hwa Muk Lan" the Chinese General who went in place of her father to war in ancient China. What practice is so appropriate for these Generals other than Dorje Shugden!
Dear Icy,
How exciting. Did the three female Generals accept the practice? Are they going to engage in the practice?
It's like here in Thailand. Very easy to pass out the Shugden brochures and pictures. I have passed out thousands. I get them printed on my own. The homepage of this website has the design to download and just give to the printer. Thais are very receptive to Shugden. I have had very good experiences with them.
Do let us know about the Generals and if they agreed to practice?
Dorje Shugden yellow brochure and a pendant hanging off of Ronnie in Bangkok in a major shopping area. People here love the Shugden brochures and pendants. Many are left in public places and people snatch it up and immediately wear the pendants and keep the brochures after reading.
Fantastic to pass out brochures. I have made Shugden pendants to pass out also.
It's amazing to hear how widely spread these brochures are... and all because someone came up with the idea to make these brochures! it all started with one person's idea, turned into action, which is planting so much Dharma seeds via Dorje Shugden throughout the world - Personally i find this astounding. Imagine if each and everyone of us took such initiative and carried it out.. the effects would be vastly multiplied! I'm continuing with my mini printing and distributions!It started with brochures in English, then in Chinese and Thai, then pendants, graphic novels, 3' Dorje Shugden in Thailand. What's next? Brochures in Vietnamese, Nepali, French, etc coming out soon? Just like a snowball that grows bigger and bigger, Dorje Shugden is going global too. Yes this is astounding and who knows, maybe there is a Dorje Shugden movie in the making.
These brochures are really a practical and effective way of creating the awareness of Dorje Shugden everywhere. I love traveling and these brochures are so easy to bring around. Download, print and all ready to go. Tonight, I was walking around and passed them out to many people. There was one particular "bag lady" whom I was so surprised to see that she has such a young face, despite her hunched back posture. Initially when I approached her, she was hesitant but later she did take the brochure and hurriedly went away. I wish that Dorje Shugden will help her like he has always helped many of us. It is very gratifying to place this brochure in the hands of people knowing they are now blessed by Dorje Shugden. I gave many to taxi drivers too! May all these efforts be dedicated to the lifting of this ridiculous ban...
These brochures are really a practical and effective way of creating the awareness of Dorje Shugden everywhere. I love traveling and these brochures are so easy to bring around. Download, print and all ready to go. Tonight, I was walking around and passed them out to many people. There was one particular "bag lady" whom I was so surprised to see that she has such a young face, despite her hunched back posture. Initially when I approached her, she was hesitant but later she did take the brochure and hurriedly went away. I wish that Dorje Shugden will help her like he has always helped many of us. It is very gratifying to place this brochure in the hands of people knowing they are now blessed by Dorje Shugden. I gave many to taxi drivers too! May all these efforts be dedicated to the lifting of this ridiculous ban...It is a brilliant idea to give to taxi drivers! Taxi drivers lead a hard life as they are out on the streets all day and night and Dorje Shugden will protect them from having accidents. Also taxi drivers like to put or hang protection in their car and having a Dorje Shugden brochure pasted inside their taxi all passengers using the taxi will be blessed by Dorje Shugden. It is good of you to give to the bag lady and I hope she will be alright now that she has Dorje Shugden with her.
Over the last 5 months, a few friends and I managed to passed out around 6000 brochures all over a few suburbs in my city. It is a wonderful experience going out there and give out the brochures in a small group! We help spread DS as well as have some fun together doing it! We do it 2 times a month. :D :D
;D Brochure Delivery Day! tommorow (another 100 to deliver)...can't wait lot's of fun to do my bit to increase awareness of the DS issue.
Qn: So if we we delivered 100K brochures would that count as a preliminary practice of creating a buddha image?
I think I recall it was posted on this thread awhile back? :D
xo
Dulzin, you are one kind guy I have to say. This website is your rock? Wow. Well, great, you really have great patience with all the different opinions and all. This rock floats in an ocean with sometimes choppy waves ... ;)
It's very sweet and young this enthousiasm for Dorje Shugden as a wealth god. It's true that people in their majority are not even worried with their future lives, let alone liberation or enlightenment. So if they relate to the Venerable Protector in that way, so be it, maybe it's what their minds need right now.
The only thing that worries me a little bit is that it's easily said that it doesn't matter that people might toss aside the brochure with the Protector. It does matter. It creates a negative karma to mistreat or disrespect the image of a Buddha.
But if you are aware of all the consequences and think that the benefits outweigh the dangers ... then so be it! I hope with all my heart that people are going to treasure that brochure.
This post has an astounding 22401 views and 578 replies which I think makes it the most popular by far. Which made me wonder... how many brochures have been distributed thus far since the start of this post on the 2nd of June 2010, just over 2 years ago.
A Dharma friend and I went through every single post and the results are an incredible total of:
151,545 Brochures distributed
And this is only the number that people have accounted for. There were many other posts of people distributing but had no figures attached to their posts. And there are I am sure those that are distributing but have not shared it in this post. So the sum is far larger I am sure.
But given this figure, and being a mad mathematician, I worked out the following:
Over a two year period, an average of 208 brochures known to have been passed out per day
That is at the least, how many people have been planted with the seed of Manjushri and if only we knew how many of them have started practising and spreading the word!
The figures alone tell us that it is not in vain that these distributions are being carried out by individuals around the world. Imagine if each and everyone of us visiting this website does the same. The numbers would be astronomical!!!
Surely we can do our bit for the Protector of our Time... after all, we are the ones that are and will be benefiting!
This post has an astounding 22401 views and 578 replies which I think makes it the most popular by far. Which made me wonder... how many brochures have been distributed thus far since the start of this post on the 2nd of June 2010, just over 2 years ago.
A Dharma friend and I went through every single post and the results are an incredible total of:
151,545 Brochures distributed
And this is only the number that people have accounted for. There were many other posts of people distributing but had no figures attached to their posts. And there are I am sure those that are distributing but have not shared it in this post. So the sum is far larger I am sure.
But given this figure, and being a mad mathematician, I worked out the following:
Over a two year period, an average of 208 brochures known to have been passed out per day
That is at the least, how many people have been planted with the seed of Manjushri and if only we knew how many of them have started practising and spreading the word!
The figures alone tell us that it is not in vain that these distributions are being carried out by individuals around the world. Imagine if each and everyone of us visiting this website does the same. The numbers would be astronomical!!!
Surely we can do our bit for the Protector of our Time... after all, we are the ones that are and will be benefiting!
WOW ! average of 208 brochures known to have been passed out per day ??
good job all ! I wonder out of those 151,545 Brochures been passed out , how many of them were really read through by the ppls who pick it up.
so far distributing the brochures was the most exciting things to do and i will never stop doing it ! for the pass week i had distributed about 180 of brochures in the city , FUN !!!! ;D
Thank you Positive Change for making the effort to count the number or brochures distributed based on this post. 151,545 in total!! Fully agree with Positive Change that it is irrelevant if the brochures are read of not. As long as one sees the card, it has already planted an imprint to him and a connection is made. Therefore, let's support the cause and share and distribute more brochures or promote Dorje Shugden forum and website through facebook, twitter etc. The more awareness is created, the more we can help to lift the ban.
Btw, I have distributed another 250 brochures to nearby neighborhood. Yes!
Do people actually read these? Did you witness people reading these brochures? Are they not going OTT? 8)
Do people actually read these? Did you witness people reading these brochures? Are they not going OTT? 8)
Yeah they actually do. The vegetarian shop that I frequent actually has these brochures for distribution and I do see alot of people taking it. Most of the people who took it are the middle lower class that have no clue about spirituality at all and they are burdened with the usual problems that plagues the middle lower class such as work stress and lack of finances as well as lack of a spiritual sense. Dorje Shugden's image and seeds may not immediately ripen, but when it does, they will be on the right path, and not necessarily as Gelug, but perhaps in other Buddhist schools more suited to their dispositions.
Veg shop? You must live somewhere in Asia? So you don't live that far away from me in India. Neighbours. :o
When people read the brochures, they google and hear the advice of HHDL and not get involved with Shugden perhaps.Do people actually read these? Did you witness people reading these brochures? Are they not going OTT? 8)
Yeah they actually do. The vegetarian shop that I frequent actually has these brochures for distribution and I do see alot of people taking it. Most of the people who took it are the middle lower class that have no clue about spirituality at all and they are burdened with the usual problems that plagues the middle lower class such as work stress and lack of finances as well as lack of a spiritual sense. Dorje Shugden's image and seeds may not immediately ripen, but when it does, they will be on the right path, and not necessarily as Gelug, but perhaps in other Buddhist schools more suited to their dispositions.
Good day everybody! Its the weekend now..meaning more Dorje Shugden items are being distributed right? Instead of lazing around at home chilling why not do something that beneficial?
Over the past 2 weeks, many people have been distributing Dorje Shugden items to the public and their friends. Some even bought the items for themselves..like a statue!! Personally I really love those amazing statues selling in the online shop: [url]http://shop.dorjeshugden.com/statues.html[/url] ([url]http://shop.dorjeshugden.com/statues.html[/url]) They even have statues that are 3 feet!
So I had reports that over 560 pendants with brochures had been distributed throughout the world...I am glad to say there are many people who are connecting with Dorje Shugden on a daily basis. What can be more wonderful than to connect someone to a Dharma Protector like Dorje Shugden?
Continue doing the good job people! We count on you to lift the ban!
@Ensapa YES! More and more people are getting to know about Dorje Shugden because of the effort put in by sincere practitioners. Just this week alone, over 600 brochures and pendants were distributed throughout the world!
Rejoice to hear that all over the world, people are distributing free pendants, comic books, framed pictures, DVDs, stickers of Dorje Shugden. This is a brilliant ideas of distributing the items around so that more people will be able to learned about Dorje Shugden and be blessed by Lord Shugden.
Besides, it will be creating more awareness to the public about Dorje Shugden and let them know about the real truth behind. This will surely help in lifting the ban!
Great job! Hope more people will be supporting this cause in terms of effort and financial support.