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Every year, 10th of March is a significant day for all Tibetans, especially to those who exiled in India. In 1959, this was the day where thousands of Tibetans gathered in Lhasa to protect the Dalai Lama from the Chinese army. 10th of March is also known as the Tibetan Uprising Day which carries the important symbolism of the Tibetan Cause, be it Free Tibet(Rangzen) or the Middle Way(Umaylam). It doesn't matter which, the bottom line is Tibetans love their motherland - Tibet.
However, on the 60th anniversary of the Tibetan Uprising Day, there was no 'uprising' among the majority of the Tibetans in India. But it is still politically correct for the medias to say 'there was huge crowd in the event' because it will be too awkward to tell the truth. I am not badmouthing anyone here as you can see yourself in the links below. ;D ;D
ANI news: https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/delhi-tibetan-youth-congress-activists-hold-peace-march20190310172005/ (https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/delhi-tibetan-youth-congress-activists-hold-peace-march20190310172005/)
India Yahoo news: https://in.news.yahoo.com/tibetan-activists-hold-rally-against-103100609.html (https://in.news.yahoo.com/tibetan-activists-hold-rally-against-103100609.html)
Yahoo news: https://news.yahoo.com/tibet-supporters-india-mark-60-years-since-uprising-064324581.html;_ylt=AwrC1DGyN4Vc5nsAXQ3QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTEybWo3ZXFmBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjcyMjdfMQRzZWMDc3I (https://news.yahoo.com/tibet-supporters-india-mark-60-years-since-uprising-064324581.html;_ylt=AwrC1DGyN4Vc5nsAXQ3QtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTEybWo3ZXFmBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjcyMjdfMQRzZWMDc3I)
France 24 news: https://www.france24.com/en/20190310-tibet-supporters-india-mark-60-years-uprising?ref=tw (https://www.france24.com/en/20190310-tibet-supporters-india-mark-60-years-uprising?ref=tw)
Aljazeera news: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/rallies-india-mark-60-years-tibet-uprising-190310072414674.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/rallies-india-mark-60-years-tibet-uprising-190310072414674.html)
Tibet Sun news: https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2019/03/10/free-tibet-struggle-60-years-on (https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2019/03/10/free-tibet-struggle-60-years-on)
The Washington Post news: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/tibetan-activists-in-india-mark-uprisings-60th-anniversary/2019/03/10/0ba29764-42fb-11e9-85ad-779ef05fd9d8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.321f3c729da2 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/tibetan-activists-in-india-mark-uprisings-60th-anniversary/2019/03/10/0ba29764-42fb-11e9-85ad-779ef05fd9d8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.321f3c729da2)
Star Tribune news: http://www.startribune.com/tibetan-activists-in-india-mark-uprising-s-60th-anniversary/506944972/ (http://www.startribune.com/tibetan-activists-in-india-mark-uprising-s-60th-anniversary/506944972/)
From the news above, you can see:
(A) no mention of how many attended both the event in Delhi and Dharamsala, not even an estimation, just 'huge crowd'.
(B) if there were huge crowd in both event, people can see from the photos posted with the news, but sad enough, all the photos you see on the news are all closeup photos. Why? Bad photographers or just bad photographs? u guessss....... NO, certainly not. Big news agency like Aljazeera, France 24 certainly have good photographer and will not tolerate bad photographs. The reason would simply be: THERE WERE NO HUGE CROWRD AS PER THE NEWS CLAIMED :-X :-X :-X
LOOK AT ALL THESE CLOSEUP PHOTOS TO HIDE VERY LITTLE TURNED OUT
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(C) what more interesting is, you can read from Tibet Sun, in one paragraph, it said: On 10 March, the flight’s anniversary, hundreds of exiled Tibetans along with their political leader Lobsang Sangay and his cabinet, gathered in the capital of the Tibetan diaspora, McLeod Ganj, to show their aspiration for a free Tibet. They were joined at the ceremony by a host of foreign dignitaries from the around the world, including the former President of Botswana Serêtsê Khama Ian Khama.
If there were really foreign dignitaries from the around the world, but it only mentioned 'Botswana', it literally means Botswana is the 'VIP' country among all. Not to put Botswana down, but too bad, where are the dignitaries/big politicians from America, Japan, Australia, these so-called very supportive of Tibetan Cause countries? And the Central Tibetan Administration(CTA) only managed to get former President of Botswana to attend. They can't even managed to get the President to attend?
This tells a lot that every countries is snubbing the CTA and the Dalai Lama. Less and less support from the international is obvious. Even the news coverage is so little tells that no one really see this is important... After all, the man behind the Tibetan Cause is the Dalai Lama, who is a Nobel Peace Price winner and such a megastar in today's world. And the Tibetan Uprising Day is not a small and insignificant event, but now it really becoming an insignificant event due to what happened yesterday.
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The main event was in Dharamsala. The Dalai Lama was in Dharamsala and had lunch with the international "VIPs" BUT HE DIDN'T ATTEND THE EVENT!
IS HE SAYING THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE OFFICIALLY ASSOCIATED WITH AN EVENT TO COMMEMORATE THE TIBETAN UPRISING?!
:o :o :o :o :o :o
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Is this telling the world that Tibetan cause is dying, not many cares about it, people are more willing to spend their time, money and effort to do something better - including trying hard to move their family out of India to a better place? To get a citizenship from another country?
Or the economic situation and etc is getting better and better in TAR, so the Uprising Anniversary is no more relevant? CTA should close shop...
Even more pathetic is the media, may be Western media are trying to hide the truth of the low turn out of Tibetans......What are they trying to hide?
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Tibetans in exile are probably fed up with their refugee situation and decided to seek a better life elsewhere with a new government. It is sad to see they had lost hope in their own government who is supposed to protect, help and nurture them. Instead of doing all those things, CTA exploited their own people and show no care towards their well being.
After 60 years of struggle as a refugee in India, there is literally nothing that the Tibetans in Exile can do besides more waiting. Waiting to go back to their motherland which is occupied by the Chinese government with ease due to the failure of the previous Tibetan government. The corruption is so bad that the Chinese can just take over this vast piece of land without much resistance. Why Nepal or Bhutan who is much smaller in size manage to maintain their sovereignty? It is about the strength and capability of the government and it is very clear that the Tibetan government does not have both.
Now that India had made it easier for Tibetans to get their citizenship, it is a wake-up call for Tibetans to move on and not stick to the past. They are not going back to Tibet anytime soon with the same corrupted government. It is better for them to move overseas or integrate into Indian society because they will have more opportunities to succeed in life compared to being a refugee in India. They are smart to realize this and CTA is stupid to think that they can manipulate the Tibetans in exile to stay with them forever.
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Seriously, after 60 years of trying to free Tibet and there is still no result, it is just about time to conclude the movement and say it is a failure! The Tibetans are giving up their hope, many of them have left the Tibetan community. Some of them migrated overseas, some of them took the Indian citizenship, some of them went back to Tibet.
Not only the Tibetans are giving up on the CTA, the sponsors are also giving up on them. Times are bad now, many countries are facing the economic crisis in their countries, they will not have more money to fund Tibet cause. They have supported the CTA for the past 60 years, enough money is put in for a cause that gives no results.
Apart from that, there is no benefit or whatsoever associating with the CTA. China is getting more powerful, the country that is associating with China can get economic benefits from China. So it will be rather stupid to openly support the uprising anniversary and risk to become an enemy of China. The CTA is getting weaker every day, they are losing the power, soon they will collapse.
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The Tibetan freedom movement which was once a symbol of Tibetan national pride and solidarity has been corrupted by the CTA to the point where it's just a romantic notion at best. At worst, this Tibetan Cause is a a delusional attempt to stay relevant when all Tibetan-in-exile communities are crumbling into ash from the corrupt politics within the Central Tibetan Administration dividing Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhist schools such as the Dorje Shugden ban, the two Karmapas which until today they have not announced who is real and who is fake, confusing people with two Panchen Lamas, reducing the prestige of the Nyingma and Sakya by institutionalising a rotation system even though the Dalai Lama himself remains as the head of Tibetans for life.
Even a single Coca Cola truck is bigger than the Tibetan cause today.
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60 years of commemoration of the loss of a country. Started out as a noble cause to regain the "freedom" of the country lost but over 60 years it has also lost the nobility and instead became a sleazy way of generating easy income for the upper echelons. Actually, what are the Tibetans hoping to go back to? It will be the same feudal system that they were suffering under. What we see of the Tibetan Leaders' antics are only on the surface, being under the eyes of the world and I am sure they will impose the same rule again if they ever regain their country. So really, I do wonder if the Tibetans are just protesting the loss of their country just for the sake of it since most have already gain passports to other countries. 60 years is a very long time of attachment to something that has already been accepted by world leaders, Tibet belongs in China.
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The Tibetan freedom movement which was once a symbol of Tibetan national pride and solidarity has been corrupted by the CTA to the point where it's just a romantic notion at best. At worst, this Tibetan Cause is a a delusional attempt to stay relevant when all Tibetan-in-exile communities are crumbling into ash from the corrupt politics within the Central Tibetan Administration dividing Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhist schools such as the Dorje Shugden ban, the two Karmapas which until today they have not announced who is real and who is fake, confusing people with two Panchen Lamas, reducing the prestige of the Nyingma and Sakya by institutionalising a rotation system even though the Dalai Lama himself remains as the head of Tibetans for life.
Even a single Coca Cola truck is bigger than the Tibetan cause today.
Hahaha, this is so funny! Indeed, a Coca Cola truck is bigger than the Tibetan cause today. 60 years makes a baby becomes an old man and eventually dies. It is the same for the Tibet cause, 60 years is a long struggle and it has to come to an end.
As the older generation passes away, the younger generation will not have as much passion as the older generation has for the Tibet cause. They grow up outside Tibet and they have more sentiments to the country they grow up in than Tibet. The Tibet cause is kind of meaningless to them. Besides, they can also see how developed Tibet is, there is no reason to free Tibet.
The CTA has disappointed the Tibetans again and again, the Tibetans have completely lost their confidence in the CTA. The Tibetans don't want to wait for the CTA to fulfill their promise anymore, they just want to move on. The Tibet cause is a hinder for them. Thus, they are not so enthusiastic anymore because there is really no future in pursuing the Tibet cause.
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60 years of commemoration of the loss of a country. Started out as a noble cause to regain the "freedom" of the country lost but over 60 years it has also lost the nobility and instead became a sleazy way of generating easy income for the upper echelons. Actually, what are the Tibetans hoping to go back to? It will be the same feudal system that they were suffering under. What we see of the Tibetan Leaders' antics are only on the surface, being under the eyes of the world and I am sure they will impose the same rule again if they ever regain their country. So really, I do wonder if the Tibetans are just protesting the loss of their country just for the sake of it since most have already gain passports to other countries. 60 years is a very long time of attachment to something that has already been accepted by world leaders, Tibet belongs in China.
The CTA has disappointed the Tibetans again and again. They promise to bring Tibetans back to Tibet but until today, 60 years have passed the Tibetans are still refugees. Life as a refugee is not easy, the Tibetans have had enough and many of them no longer want to pursue the Tibet cause.
It is also very clear to see that the CTA is only using the Tibetans to benefit themselves, many Tibetans see that so they are not following the direction of the CTA anymore. With so many negative news and no result from the CTA, Tibetans have given up on the Free Tibet movement. It is no surprise the people who joined the uprising anniversary event is getting fewer.
All I can say is the CTA is a failure in leading its community. The main reason is that people who are in the CTA only wants benefits for themselves, they don't care about the Tibetans. They want money and power but they don't want to work hard. The Tibetans have realised they have been used by the CTA for all these years and there is no point to rely on the CTA anymore.
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The Tibetan freedom movement which was once a symbol of Tibetan national pride and solidarity has been corrupted by the CTA to the point where it's just a romantic notion at best. At worst, this Tibetan Cause is a a delusional attempt to stay relevant when all Tibetan-in-exile communities are crumbling into ash from the corrupt politics within the Central Tibetan Administration dividing Tibetans and Tibetan Buddhist schools such as the Dorje Shugden ban, the two Karmapas which until today they have not announced who is real and who is fake, confusing people with two Panchen Lamas, reducing the prestige of the Nyingma and Sakya by institutionalising a rotation system even though the Dalai Lama himself remains as the head of Tibetans for life.
Even a single Coca Cola truck is bigger than the Tibetan cause today.
Hahaha, this is so funny! Indeed, a Coca Cola truck is bigger than the Tibetan cause today. 60 years makes a baby becomes an old man and eventually dies. It is the same for the Tibet cause, 60 years is a long struggle and it has to come to an end.
As the older generation passes away, the younger generation will not have as much passion as the older generation has for the Tibet cause. They grow up outside Tibet and they have more sentiments to the country they grow up in than Tibet. The Tibet cause is kind of meaningless to them. Besides, they can also see how developed Tibet is, there is no reason to free Tibet.
The CTA has disappointed the Tibetans again and again, the Tibetans have completely lost their confidence in the CTA. The Tibetans don't want to wait for the CTA to fulfill their promise anymore, they just want to move on. The Tibet cause is a hinder for them. Thus, they are not so enthusiastic anymore because there is really no future in pursuing the Tibet cause.
The number of supporters that turns out on this event is just pathetic. Why are they even bother to continue to show up to the event and make a big deal out of it? Look at the people that are holding the Tibetan flags. Even the number of Tibetan flags is higher than the number of human beings there. It is a very clear sign of reality and it is a huge slap to Tibetan leadership.
The bubble of the Tibetan dream had burst and the reality is just sad. Tibetans had lost their hope for the Tibet cause and most of them had moved on with their lives anymore. 60 years had passed and there is no progress on the cause at all. Not even a decent dialogue with China. What is the Tibetan government doing for all these years?
Older generations of Tibetans are dying or died while the younger generations are not interested in the Tibetan cause unless they are brainwashed by the Tibetan government. The cause has expired and everyone should move on with their lives and not stucked with the past. Many young Tibetans manage to lead a successful life outside of India and it shows that it is better for them to move on rather than to stay being miserable in India hoping one day China will miraculously give them their country back.
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It is obvious that countries have already moved on and accepted Tibet to be part of China and as such do not promote the Tibetan Cause anymore. Also, the Tibetans in exile too, have moved on in becoming citizens of another country and making their living, settling into their new lives. Most of their children or grandchildren have no inkling of what Tibet is like nor wish to maintain their Tibetan culture, preferring to integrate into the culture of the country they were born in. So the Tibetan Cause is a dying cause and no longer relevant. What more, the Dalai Lama had over the recent years been pronouncing of his wish to return to Tibet, regardless of who rules Tibet. He even went as far as to say that Tibet is good under China rule and Tibetans would only play the leader of spirituality. So what is the Tibetan Cause?
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No Tibetans believe in the Tibetan Cause anymore. There will be no more Tibetans in exile soon since most of them are getting their citizenship in India and elsewhere. They see clearly now their Sikyong is useless and he is no way near the Dalai Lama's abilities. They know if they continue to believe in the Tibetan Cause, they will end up being used by the CTA for their benefits. So, it makes sense why the Coca Cola van is bigger than the people who attended the March 10 uprising event.
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No Tibetans believe in the Tibetan Cause anymore. There will be no more Tibetans in exile soon since most of them are getting their citizenship in India and elsewhere. They see clearly now their Sikyong is useless and he is no way near the Dalai Lama's abilities. They know if they continue to believe in the Tibetan Cause, they will end up being used by the CTA for their benefits. So, it makes sense why the Coca Cola van is bigger than the people who attended the March 10 uprising event.
The Tibetans only realise that after 60 years, even though it is a bit late but it is better than not realising it at all. The CTA works exactly the same as in the old Tibet days. They only care about their own benefits and they don't care about the welfare of the Tibetans.
In the old days in Tibet, normal Tibetans were exploited by their government and the landlords to make money for them. It is the same now. The CTA wants the Tibetans to remain as refugees so they can ask for free money from their sponsors. This is probably the reason why the Free Tibet movement is a failure.
After 60 years, the Tibetans finally see the true colour of the CTA. I am glad the Tibetans are taking charge of their own lives and not waiting for the CTA anymore. The Free Tibet movement is definitely a failure, there is no point putting hope in it. Life is much better without the CTA, there are more opportunities and freedom.
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No Tibetans believe in the Tibetan Cause anymore. There will be no more Tibetans in exile soon since most of them are getting their citizenship in India and elsewhere. They see clearly now their Sikyong is useless and he is no way near the Dalai Lama's abilities. They know if they continue to believe in the Tibetan Cause, they will end up being used by the CTA for their benefits. So, it makes sense why the Coca Cola van is bigger than the people who attended the March 10 uprising event.
After 60 years of waiting, do you think those who are waiting will still continue to wait? I do not think so. Tibetan government has not done anything substantial to get back Tibet over the 60 years period of time. Now that it has reached a stage where the Independence of Tibet is no longer possible, it is a waste of effort to keep on putting in effort on something that will have no results.
Tibetans are fed up with the situation in India and hence they are either moving out of India or joining India as a citizen and move out of the Tibetan settlements. When they are out of the clutches of the CTA they have more chance to be successful because there are plenty of chances out there.
In Tibetan settlement, they are just sitting ducks waiting to be used to sacrifice for the gain of CTA. Look at the self-immolators and how they are brainwashed in such a young age to kill themselves for the country. What kind of government will urge their own people to kill themselves for the country especially youngsters? They are the future of the country!
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We all know Tibetan Cause, whether it is autonomy (umaylam) or independence (rangzen) is no more than lip service. There is no progress or attempt made by the Tibetan in exile to get nearer to their goal. Every year, on March 10, we see fewer and fewer Tibetan condemning China for what happened 60 years ago.
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For the past 60 years, Tibetans have been very patient and loyal to their government, but now obviously they have given up. More and more Tibetans have proved their disappointment through real actions. Each years, not only less and less Tibetans coming from Tibet to India, but many have migrated to Europe, America and other countries. Recent trend also shows that more are planning to go back China. Other than that, for those who want to stay in India, the Indian government has also made the application process easy for the Tibetans to get their Indian passport. And Tibetans are not afraid to openly admit that they welcome it.
Read this article: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-dalai-lama-remains-a-refugee-but-his-people-will-not/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-dalai-lama-remains-a-refugee-but-his-people-will-not/)
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No Tibetans believe in the Tibetan Cause anymore. There will be no more Tibetans in exile soon since most of them are getting their citizenship in India and elsewhere. They see clearly now their Sikyong is useless and he is no way near the Dalai Lama's abilities. They know if they continue to believe in the Tibetan Cause, they will end up being used by the CTA for their benefits. So, it makes sense why the Coca Cola van is bigger than the people who attended the March 10 uprising event.
I am not surprised that no Tibetans believe in Tibet cause and the CTA anymore. After 60 years of struggle, the Tibetans in India are still refugees, the CTA is not telling the Tibetans what is their plan to free Tibet, when do they expect to achieve their goal and how are they going to achieve it. On top of that, many Tibetans in India are still living in poverty. On the other hand, the living standard and condition of the Tibetans in Tibet are so much better. They have better education and career opportunities, they can work in the government sector or the private sector. They can own property and they are well taken care of by the Chinese government. In 2018, the poverty rate in Tibet has fallen to about 8% from 35% in the time span of 5 years. The CTA will not be able to give the Tibetans a better future, it is a fact. Therefore, it is better to move on and not putting hope in the Tibet cause anymore.
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The main event was in Dharamsala. The Dalai Lama was in Dharamsala and had lunch with the international "VIPs" BUT HE DIDN'T ATTEND THE EVENT!
IS HE SAYING THAT HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE OFFICIALLY ASSOCIATED WITH AN EVENT TO COMMEMORATE THE TIBETAN UPRISING?!
The event commemorates the 1959 Tibetan uprising against the presence of the People's Republic of China in Tibet. BUT what has changed since the so-called protest or uprising? The support for Tibetan cause is just getting weaker by the day. Look at how many countries are avoiding the Dalai Lama, and the list keeps growing!
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This just shows that people have lost their hope in the free Tibet movement. Who won't if after 60 years there is still no progress. The CTA has not delivered anything significant to the Tibetan community in the exile community in the past 60 years, who will still believe they can deliver something as big as free Tibet in 5 or 10 years? People have moved on to find their own better future, we will see next year even fewer people will attend the uprising anniversary.
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Tibetans might as well invest their energy and time on their future... China and no one would blame them. How far can they go with the current useless, fake, sexual scandal government? Smart Tibetans are already leaving the Dalai Lama and taking up Indian citizenship. They are no longer being loyal and following the Dalai Lama. They would rather leave the Dalai Lama as a refugee and they become citizens of other countries and be part of another nation. So definitely, Tibetan Cause is going downhill big time and soon it will disappear entirely.
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Notice that these people do not even have enough hands to raise the flags. Compared to 2018, this year's uprising day celebration is really pathetic with a handful of people and more flags than people. Coke has definitely made a wrong estimation to have sent such a huge truck there with no one to serve. They were lucky to have received some media coverage but it surely didn't serve their purpose!
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Tibetans are now even too lazy to wave the Tibetan flag themselves. They just attached it to some device while they stand there pretending to protest. I don't see the passion anymore and I guess either they are paid to do this or they are forced to do this. Since no one is passionate about the cause anymore, why even bother to hold a rally?
It is a waste of time and energy to fight for a failed cause. They should channel the same energy and passion into something that is beneficial that can actually bring positive results into their life. Anything associated with the Tibetan government is just a huge disappointment.
The decreasing number of Tibetans who showed up at the event shows that Tibetans generally are losing faith and the passion for Tibet cause already. Many of them had moved on with their lives and not be stagnant. I guess a lot of them are disappointed in the Tibetan government because until now there is no progress at all for the cause.