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Title: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on April 09, 2018, 09:15:33 PM
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Most recently, they camped outside the Tibetan Parliament-in-Exile for ten days (March 14th to 24th), protesting against Sangay while the Parliament inside debated about the Penpa Tsering issue, although they were supposed to be discussing budgetary concerns. The protestors’ demands include greater clarification regarding Penpa Tsering’s dismissal, as well as an explanation for the US$1.5mil which went missing from the Tibet Fund and appears to have been mis-accounted for at best, and embezzled at worst.

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It looks like Lobsang Sangay is challenging his own people to take him to court. With this kind of arrogant President that fights his own people, it is no wonder that the Tibetan Cause has failed and Tibetans has degenerated to this level. This is probably the worst internal dispute we have ever come across from the Tibetan leadership and its people. On top of that, this is coming from a Buddhist nation? Something is terribly wrong with this leadership. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: PrajNa on April 09, 2018, 11:45:20 PM
The Tibetans are not happy with Lobsang Sangay, in fact His Holiness the Dalai Lama was also not happy with Lobsang Sangay it was reported in the news!

‘Upset’ with Tibetan PM-in-exile, Dalai Lama cancels event commemorating 1959 escape
The Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) that had organised the event, commemorating the day when the Dalai Lama left home in Lhasa, however, claimed that the event had been ‘postponed’, not cancelled.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/upset-with-tibetan-pm-in-exile-dalai-lama-cancels-event-commemorating-1959-escape/story-9vDbeWPqBt9MPkoIVtSxBK.html (https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/upset-with-tibetan-pm-in-exile-dalai-lama-cancels-event-commemorating-1959-escape/story-9vDbeWPqBt9MPkoIVtSxBK.html)


Interesting part of the news:

Is the Dalai Lama angry?
“If you read between the lines, there is something to it,” said a Tibetan leader, on the condition of anonymity. He added that organisers had sent them at least four messages for the event. “First they said it is happening and then stated it is not happening,” he said, claiming that many of Sangay’s decisions are seen as attempts to get publicity in international media. An instance of this, he claimed, was the ‘Thank You India’ event.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on April 10, 2018, 09:21:15 PM
Oh yeah when you watch the so-called Thank You India event, it was obvious that it was for him to get some limelight and The Dalai Lama was not at all impressed with him.

If you watched the live coverage, you'd see that the Dalai Lama was not "happy" with Sangay at all, the body language speaks volumes! At times, he was just ignoring him or giving Sangay the cold shoulder. At times Dalai Lama looked upset.

Well, what did the CTA get from this Thank You India event besides some fake lip servicing? And mind you Sangay speech was all about how bad China, yet at the same time he urges Tibetans to help support the Dalai Lama's request to go back to Tibet. H contradicts himself so much. It is no wonder they are not heading anywhere with anything.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Rowntree on April 10, 2018, 11:27:48 PM
Everyone is unhappy with Lobsang Sangay, be it the Tibetans or His Holiness, not to mention the Indians, Chinese, Americans etc. He is the most hated leader in history, he lives in his own la-la land thinking he has the backing of America and India for the so-called Tibet card he was supposed to represent. Now that India is more interested in building the bilateral ties and Trump has changed his stand to work with China, they have all joined the world to recognize Tibet as part of China. To the world, there is no longer a Tibet cause. The Tibet autonomy is the Chinese's matter, it is between the Chinese Leadership and their people, not related to the CTA or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The CTA is no longer valid and necessary so is the sikyong and kashag. Lobsang Sangay and the whole shebang should just pack up with the Nechung oracle who has been giving wrong advice and stop lying to the world and ask for sympathetic money for themselves.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Drolma on August 09, 2018, 05:36:12 PM
I am surprised to read this news but happy at the same time. Finally, some Tibetans see the problems in the CTA and they dare to voice out. In the past, no one would do that because no one would question the authority.

It is time for Lobsang Sangay to have a dialogue with the people and update them on the future plan. For example, what is the direction? For how long do the Tibetans still have to wait to go back to Tibet? Are we talking about Rangzen or Middle Way? Another thing he has to be transparent with is the money issue. Let the public know what happened to the money.

Even though the CTA should run as a democratic government but Lobsang Sangay runs it like a communist party. Yes, a communist party, because he can do whatever he wants without valid reasons or explanations. He can give a high position to the people he likes, how do you think Dhardon Shaling gets her position in the government?
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on September 08, 2018, 11:13:35 AM
Lobsang Sangay is such a big disgrace. What has he achieved ever since he became the Sikyong? First, the Tibetan Government In Exile was downgraded to Central Tibetan Administration; then from Prime Minister, Lobsang Sangay is downgraded to President.

There is much negative news about Lobsang Sangay. He misuses the fund and owes the Tibetans an answer; he is having an affair with Sharling Dhardon and he uses his power to give Sharling Dhardon a high position in the government; he sexually assaulted a female intern. These are just a few negative news of Lobsang Sangay, I believe there are many more.

It is good to know that some Tibetans are exercising their right. They gave the power to Lobsang Sangay, they also have the right to demand an answer from him. Unfortunately, Lobsang Sangay is running the CTA like his personal company, he refused to meet with the Tibetans to answer their questions. I hope one day many more Tibetans will join their forces and give pressure to Lobsang Sangay so that he will do what he is supposed to do as the leader of the community.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on September 08, 2018, 02:47:44 PM
I am surprised to read this news but happy at the same time. Finally, some Tibetans see the problems in the CTA and they dare to voice out. In the past, no one would do that because no one would question the authority.

It is time for Lobsang Sangay to have a dialogue with the people and update them on the future plan. For example, what is the direction? For how long do the Tibetans still have to wait to go back to Tibet? Are we talking about Rangzen or Middle Way? Another thing he has to be transparent with is the money issue. Let the public know what happened to the money.

Even though the CTA should run as a democratic government but Lobsang Sangay runs it like a communist party. Yes, a communist party, because he can do whatever he wants without valid reasons or explanations. He can give a high position to the people he likes, how do you think Dhardon Shaling gets her position in the government?

Haha dream on he will have dialogue with his people and to clear the funds he and his cronies embezzled. Doing that would mean losing face and you know Tibetans, they are just like the Chinese, as much as they hate it, they are the same, afraid of losing face. And yes they are exactly like the enemies they blame! No difference, just like a pot calling the kettle black. 
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: SabS on September 08, 2018, 03:29:07 PM
Maybe Lobsang Sangay thinks he will inherit the Dalai Lama's power and position. Actually I think he is in a difficult position of having to support the Dalai Lama's wish to return to Tibet and fear of losing his money games. If the Dalai Lama was to return Tibet with the refugees, will Lobsang Sangay had a position to look forward to in autonomous Tibet (if granted autonomy), that is if the Chinese let him back in. If he was to remain in his current position then he still have the few years to pile up his retirement funds and if I read correctly, the favours from the females he fancy. After all, his reputation is totally shot. What more can he achieve except to retire comfortably within the safety of America. Wonder if Trump could sue him for the funds US had doled out and not used for the refugees' welfare? Now that's a thought.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on November 09, 2018, 03:19:41 PM
China will not want Lobsang Sangay or anyone in the CTA to be part of the administration should the Chinese government decides to let them go back to Tibet. The CTA has not initiated anything to show they want to have a dialogue with China. They know the Dalai Lama wants to go back to China but there is no solid plan.

Lobsang Sangay is still traveling around the world to condemn how China is oppressing the Tibetans. Just recently, Lobsang Sangay went to visit the Czech Republic and meet with “Friends of Tibet” group, whose purpose is to look into the Tibet issues. Clearly, Lobsang Sangay is not going towards the direction of being friendly with China.

If Lobsang Sangay continues to do that, what kind of message is he sending to China? His action is actually quite selfish because it has already been 60 years and there is no progress in the free Tibet movement, what is his plan for the Tibetans in exile? To let them remain as refugees for another 50 or 60 years? They are without an identity, they cannot move around freely, shouldn't the CTA do something for Tibetans by now?
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on February 08, 2019, 01:11:17 AM
Lobsang Sangay is the most shameless leader in the world. He refuses to resign even though he was caught misusing the fund. He also refused to respond to Tibetans when he was questioned. No one in the CTA dares to speak up because all of them don't want to risk losing their job.

The CTA likes to say they are a democratic government but they are actually not. They still run the government like the in the old day, their relationship with the Tibetans is like the lord and the slave. The slave has to work very hard to make money for the lord and the slave will forever be a slave, there is no future. With a mentality like this, it is no wonder the CTA fails to give a brighter future for the Tibetans.

It is good to know that some Tibetans are now questioning Lobsang Sangay. Unfortunately, this group of people is too little to make a bigger impact. The CTA creates conflicts and disharmony in the Tibetan community for this purpose, to weaken the power of the people so they can do what they want and get away with it.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Drolma on February 09, 2019, 06:03:00 PM
Everyone is unhappy with Lobsang Sangay, be it the Tibetans or His Holiness, not to mention the Indians, Chinese, Americans etc. He is the most hated leader in history, he lives in his own la-la land thinking he has the backing of America and India for the so-called Tibet card he was supposed to represent. Now that India is more interested in building the bilateral ties and Trump has changed his stand to work with China, they have all joined the world to recognize Tibet as part of China. To the world, there is no longer a Tibet cause. The Tibet autonomy is the Chinese's matter, it is between the Chinese Leadership and their people, not related to the CTA or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The CTA is no longer valid and necessary so is the sikyong and kashag. Lobsang Sangay and the whole shebang should just pack up with the Nechung oracle who has been giving wrong advice and stop lying to the world and ask for sympathetic money for themselves.

Lobsang Sangay is not only the worst leader for the Tibetans, but he is also the worst leader in the whole wide world! Tell me, which leader in this world is always flying here and there to beg for free money? I think Lobsang Sangay is the only one. He doesn’t put his heart in making sure the Tibetans in exile are able to go back to Tibet, instead, he always creates conflict and splits the Tibetan community into many fractions.

The reason the CTA has failed in the Tibet cause is that they don’t really want to free Tibet. They want to enjoy the free money so they don’t have to work hard. They take things for granted and they are greedy, they want more and more.

Lobsang Sangay knows the CTA will collapse very soon, that is why he doesn’t want to leave the CTA yet. He wants to use the opportunity as the president of the CTA to make more money. He has already planned his future very well. He has a US passport and he has a house in the US. He plans so well for himself but he doesn’t have a plan for the Tibetans.

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Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Alex on February 17, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
Everyone is unhappy with Lobsang Sangay, be it the Tibetans or His Holiness, not to mention the Indians, Chinese, Americans etc. He is the most hated leader in history, he lives in his own la-la land thinking he has the backing of America and India for the so-called Tibet card he was supposed to represent. Now that India is more interested in building the bilateral ties and Trump has changed his stand to work with China, they have all joined the world to recognize Tibet as part of China. To the world, there is no longer a Tibet cause. The Tibet autonomy is the Chinese's matter, it is between the Chinese Leadership and their people, not related to the CTA or His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The CTA is no longer valid and necessary so is the sikyong and kashag. Lobsang Sangay and the whole shebang should just pack up with the Nechung oracle who has been giving wrong advice and stop lying to the world and ask for sympathetic money for themselves.

Lobsang Sangay is not only the worst leader for the Tibetans, but he is also the worst leader in the whole wide world! Tell me, which leader in this world is always flying here and there to beg for free money? I think Lobsang Sangay is the only one. He doesn’t put his heart in making sure the Tibetans in exile are able to go back to Tibet, instead, he always creates conflict and splits the Tibetan community into many fractions.

The reason the CTA has failed in the Tibet cause is that they don’t really want to free Tibet. They want to enjoy the free money so they don’t have to work hard. They take things for granted and they are greedy, they want more and more.

Lobsang Sangay knows the CTA will collapse very soon, that is why he doesn’t want to leave the CTA yet. He wants to use the opportunity as the president of the CTA to make more money. He has already planned his future very well. He has a US passport and he has a house in the US. He plans so well for himself but he doesn’t have a plan for the Tibetans.

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Lobsang Sangay is the worst president that Tibetans can ever get. He is a womanizer, sexual abuser, and a thief. It is amazing how the Tibetans are totally oblivious of what he did and still supported him to be their president. He has been president for quite some time now and there is no progress on the most important thing for the CTA which is to get back Tibet.

There is no dialogue initiated with China and he went around the globe to talk bad about China and how they abuse Tibetans in Tibet. it is totally untrue because China has proven to be the better government for Tibet. After China took over Tibet, they invested alot of money into Tibet to make it a better place. Alot of infrastructure has been built including airports and highways.

China has also successfully brought down the percentage of Tibetans living in poverty from 25% to 7%. As we can see from the result, poverty will be eradited in a few years time in the whole Tibet. CTA will never be able to do something like this becayse they do not care the general welfare of the Tibetans.They are just tool for CTA to use and get more money.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Drolma on March 09, 2019, 09:05:22 AM
Maybe Lobsang Sangay thinks he will inherit the Dalai Lama's power and position. Actually I think he is in a difficult position of having to support the Dalai Lama's wish to return to Tibet and fear of losing his money games. If the Dalai Lama was to return Tibet with the refugees, will Lobsang Sangay had a position to look forward to in autonomous Tibet (if granted autonomy), that is if the Chinese let him back in. If he was to remain in his current position then he still have the few years to pile up his retirement funds and if I read correctly, the favours from the females he fancy. After all, his reputation is totally shot. What more can he achieve except to retire comfortably within the safety of America. Wonder if Trump could sue him for the funds US had doled out and not used for the refugees' welfare? Now that's a thought.

Lobsang Sangay is hungry for power and money, that is why he is so shameless not wanting to resign even though people found out he siphoned the money of his people. As the president of the CTA, he has a lot of opportunities to build his network and make money. He definitely has a bigger plan for himself.  Because no one else in the Tibetan community has a better qualification than he does, no one dares to say anything.

Lobsang Sangay definitely does not respect the Dalai Lama, he may say he does but it is not true. Do you know recently Lobsang Sangay went against the Dalai Lama and they had an argument over the phone? Lobsang Sangay is only using the Dalai Lama as a money making tool, he pays no respect to the Dalai Lama.

However, Lobsang Sangay will not go against the Dalai Lama openly. He knows that he still needs Dalai Lama to control the Tibetans and deal with the Westerners. Lobsang Sangay himself does not have the commanding power. People take pity on the Tibetans mainly because of the Dalai Lama. Unless Lobsang Sangay wants to lose his source of income, otherwise he will still act like he is absolutely loyal to the Dalai Lama.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: SabS on March 09, 2019, 03:59:38 PM
Yes, Lobsang Sangay is a weakling who is dependent on the Dalai Lama for sympathy funds from the sponsors. That is why he is always sabotaging the Dalai Lama's chances to go back to Tibet. That beggar is now desperately seeking sponsors all over the place in his last-ditch desperation. Obscure little countries that are only using him to irk China for better financial deals. We will see how far he gets before it all comes crumbling down.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on March 10, 2019, 09:36:40 AM
Yes, Lobsang Sangay is a weakling who is dependent on the Dalai Lama for sympathy funds from the sponsors. That is why he is always sabotaging the Dalai Lama's chances to go back to Tibet. That beggar is now desperately seeking sponsors all over the place in his last-ditch desperation. Obscure little countries that are only using him to irk China for better financial deals. We will see how far he gets before it all comes crumbling down.

It is very clear that Lobsang Sangay is just an opportunist who is only interested in money and power. He has been in the position of the president of CTA but he has not done anything significant or beneficial for the Tibetans. He is busy flying here and there to ask for free money from the west.

He has no plan for the Tibetans which he admitted when he was first elected as the president. The most ridiculous thing is that Lobsang Sangay's plan for the Free Tibet movement is for another 50 years. If they have fought for 60 years and there is no success, what makes Lobsang Sangay think it will be successful after 50 years? He has no intention to make the Free Tibet movement successful because he does not want to take responsibility.

I bet Lobsang Sangay is actually doing things for his own interest. He must know that the CTA is not going to survive for long because the Tibetans in exile are getting fewer, almost no more Tibetans are arriving in India from Tibet. Many Tibetans in exile have migrated overseas, or went back to China or taken up Indian citizenship. Lobsang Sangay is not a good leader that is for sure, he is taking advantage of the Tibetans' plight to make money for himself.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on March 25, 2019, 04:49:47 AM
Lobsang Sangay is such a big disgrace. What has he achieved ever since he became the Sikyong? First, the Tibetan Government In Exile was downgraded to Central Tibetan Administration; then from Prime Minister, Lobsang Sangay is downgraded to President.

There is much negative news about Lobsang Sangay. He misuses the fund and owes the Tibetans an answer; he is having an affair with Sharling Dhardon and he uses his power to give Sharling Dhardon a high position in the government; he sexually assaulted a female intern. These are just a few negative news of Lobsang Sangay, I believe there are many more.

It is good to know that some Tibetans are exercising their right. They gave the power to Lobsang Sangay, they also have the right to demand an answer from him. Unfortunately, Lobsang Sangay is running the CTA like his personal company, he refused to meet with the Tibetans to answer their questions. I hope one day many more Tibetans will join their forces and give pressure to Lobsang Sangay so that he will do what he is supposed to do as the leader of the community.

Lobsang Sangay should be brought to the court not only because he siphoned the money that was meant for the Tibetans but because he has indirectly murdered hundreds of lives. Lobsang Sangay encourages the Tibetans to self immolate so he can use the self-immolation cases to earn sympathy from the sponsors and get more money. He even allowed a guide book to self-immolation being published and circulated in the Tibetan community. He is pure evil!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Drolma on June 22, 2019, 07:04:16 PM
Lobsang Sangay's crime is not limited to encouraging the Tibetans to self-immolate or siphoning the money, but he also had molested many women. He thinks he is the leader of the Tibetan community so he can get away with it easily.

This is just how the Tibetans work. The more power one has, the more hanky-panky thing they are able to do. Some Tibetan politicians or even monks like to use the Dalai Lama's name when they are confronted by the authority, hoping that they can get away with things.

Lobsang Sangay had molested not 1 but a few women. Because he is the leader in the Tibetan community, no one dares to confront him. Many women did not want to re-live the bad experience so they choose to remain in silent. If Lobsang Sangay does not change his attitude and behaviour, one day he will end up like Dagri Rinpoche.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on November 16, 2019, 10:17:06 AM
Penpa Tsering sued the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to court and finally there is the verdict. The CTA has to apologise and paid the lawyer fees for Penpa Tsering. However, the CTA still argued that they have not done anything wrong and they are upset about the decision of the court. This is just so typical of the CTA, they never admit their mistake and it is always someone else's fault.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Drolma on November 23, 2019, 08:01:58 AM
Penpa Tsering sued the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to court and finally there is the verdict. The CTA has to apologise and paid the lawyer fees for Penpa Tsering. However, the CTA still argued that they have not done anything wrong and they are upset about the decision of the court. This is just so typical of the CTA, they never admit their mistake and it is always someone else's fault.
The CTA and Lobsang Sangay will never admit they are wrong, they will never apologise because they are extremely arrogant. China has become the most powerful country in the world and everyone wants to be her friend but the CTA continues to create troubles and go against China. What is the CTA trying to achieve? They know very well that they are not capable to manage millions of people, they know very well that Tibet will always be part of China, why not just go for the Middle way approach? Let Tibet become one of the autonomous regions of China.This is also what the Dalai Lama wants. The CTA has no consideration for the Tibetans, all they want are money and power.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tenzin K on December 01, 2019, 07:22:28 AM
Penpa Tsering sued the CTA and Lobsang Sangay to court and finally there is the verdict. The CTA has to apologise and paid the lawyer fees for Penpa Tsering. However, the CTA still argued that they have not done anything wrong and they are upset about the decision of the court. This is just so typical of the CTA, they never admit their mistake and it is always someone else's fault.
The CTA and Lobsang Sangay will never admit they are wrong, they will never apologise because they are extremely arrogant. China has become the most powerful country in the world and everyone wants to be her friend but the CTA continues to create troubles and go against China. What is the CTA trying to achieve? They know very well that they are not capable to manage millions of people, they know very well that Tibet will always be part of China, why not just go for the Middle way approach? Let Tibet become one of the autonomous regions of China.This is also what the Dalai Lama wants. The CTA has no consideration for the Tibetans, all they want are money and power.

CTA will not live under China. CTA knows that once they under the Chinese they will not abe to milk more money and they can never do their work in a legal way and for sure they will be caught by the Chinese. You will see that if the Tibetan or Dalai Lama return to Tibet, you will not see Sangay and some of the colony joining.  That is why the would rather go against Dalai Lama for their personal interest.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tracy on December 03, 2019, 06:54:51 AM
If the Chinese government agrees to reconcile with the CTA and allow the Tibetans to go back to China, I don't think the Chinese government will give the members of CTA any important role in the administration. They will dissolve the CTA because they will be redundant. Since the CTA has been so against the Chinese government, it will be a risk to continue to let the CTA has access to the Tibetans in China in case the CTA tries to influence the Tibetans to try to separate Tibet from China.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on December 10, 2019, 07:50:18 AM
Well, they did not show up. And they have until yesterday and no news so far. Trouble in Tibetan exile community is brewing.

Looks like CTA is making trouble again and this time telling all exile Tibetan that they are above the law and basically, they don't have to follow the court's order. They are also making it clear that anyone can also disrespect the Tibetan court, and this is so if the Tibetan court allows them to step all over them.

This will definitely create more internal problems and could spark off to something bigger; the court and the people vs CTA? If the CTA does not respect its own court, then why should others and why is there a need for a court? So what constitution are they representing? This will only make matter worst for CTA as people will start voicing out more the injustice they witness and I am sure Penpa will not put this to rest. The change in the bigger picture is coming, thanks to CTA who loves to creates disharmony. Now they will get their karma back.

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Kashag's lawyer fails to appear before Tibetan apex court

DHARAMSHALA, DEC 6: Sikyong-led Cabinet’s lawyer in the case no. 20 Lobsang Dakpa has failed to appear before the Tibetan Supreme Justice Commission (TSJC) for a hearing concerning his remarks on the Court’s judgement as biased. Lobsang Dakpa was summoned to address the court on the charges against him by plaintiff Penpa Tsering.

The court had summoned Lobsang Dakpa by 2.30 pm but due his absence, the court was eventually adjourned at 2.55 pm. The court officials clarified that the lawyer was notified on Nov 22 via an email and a letter which were received by his Tibetan Legal Association office.

The announcement stressed that his office signed after receiving the letter from the court. The notice added, “but there wasn’t any acknowledgement from Lobsang Dakpa himself.”
Lobsang Dakpa during a press conference following the verdict had said that it was “not a fair judgment”. He further added, “The judgment was not based on facts. Confidential documents were nullified as well as documents related to Ganden Phodrang were all ignored and withdrawn.” He also showed his disapproval over the dismissal of Dhardon Sharling as a witness.

Plaintiff Penpa Tsering appealed to TSJC to take action against Lobsang Dakpa for his comments criticising the court’s judgment which falls under “Contempt of Court” in Civil Procedure Article 84.

The official notice announced a new hearing date which is to be held on Dec 9 at 10.30 am.


Source: [url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41994&article=Kashag%27s+lawyer+fails+to+appear+before+Tibetan+apex+court[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41994&article=Kashag%27s+lawyer+fails+to+appear+before+Tibetan+apex+court[/url])

Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: Tenzin K on December 11, 2019, 05:45:17 AM
CTA is really trying to tell people that they are the King and no one can do anything to them. This example will not make people respect them and this should be in the news and press to tell the world that how they behave and all the money people donated are at this kind of people’s hands. Is the sponsor comfortable?

CTA is stupid with their behavior which not only challenging the court but also the Tibetan. This is not the time to show how gangster they are but to really live by example to gain respect and confidence in them to continue serving the Tibetan. The Tibetan will not just keep quiet and will definitely react to their rights and future. It's enough for the CTA to act hooligan. If CTA can't act as a true leader and responsible then it is time for a change.

Well, they did not show up. And they have until yesterday and no news so far. Trouble in Tibetan exile community is brewing.

Looks like CTA is making trouble again and this time telling all exile Tibetan that they are above the law and basically, they don't have to follow the court's order. They are also making it clear that anyone can also disrespect the Tibetan court, and this is so if the Tibetan court allows them to step all over them.

This will definitely create more internal problems and could spark off to something bigger; the court and the people vs CTA? If the CTA does not respect its own court, then why should others and why is there a need for a court? So what constitution are they representing? This will only make matter worst for CTA as people will start voicing out more the injustice they witness and I am sure Penpa will not put this to rest. The change in the bigger picture is coming, thanks to CTA who loves to creates disharmony. Now they will get their karma back.

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Kashag's lawyer fails to appear before Tibetan apex court

DHARAMSHALA, DEC 6: Sikyong-led Cabinet’s lawyer in the case no. 20 Lobsang Dakpa has failed to appear before the Tibetan Supreme Justice Commission (TSJC) for a hearing concerning his remarks on the Court’s judgement as biased. Lobsang Dakpa was summoned to address the court on the charges against him by plaintiff Penpa Tsering.

The court had summoned Lobsang Dakpa by 2.30 pm but due his absence, the court was eventually adjourned at 2.55 pm. The court officials clarified that the lawyer was notified on Nov 22 via an email and a letter which were received by his Tibetan Legal Association office.

The announcement stressed that his office signed after receiving the letter from the court. The notice added, “but there wasn’t any acknowledgement from Lobsang Dakpa himself.”
Lobsang Dakpa during a press conference following the verdict had said that it was “not a fair judgment”. He further added, “The judgment was not based on facts. Confidential documents were nullified as well as documents related to Ganden Phodrang were all ignored and withdrawn.” He also showed his disapproval over the dismissal of Dhardon Sharling as a witness.

Plaintiff Penpa Tsering appealed to TSJC to take action against Lobsang Dakpa for his comments criticising the court’s judgment which falls under “Contempt of Court” in Civil Procedure Article 84.

The official notice announced a new hearing date which is to be held on Dec 9 at 10.30 am.


Source: [url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41994&article=Kashag%27s+lawyer+fails+to+appear+before+Tibetan+apex+court[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=41994&article=Kashag%27s+lawyer+fails+to+appear+before+Tibetan+apex+court[/url])


Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on December 11, 2019, 07:29:01 AM
It has begun... the exile Tibetan court vs CTA (?) Well, they are putting their foot down on this and will not allow CTA to push and bully their way in everything they do no more. Good on them!

CTA's lawyer got his license revoked for criticising the court's judgement on Penpa vs Sangay/CTA Case no 20. Some more need to offer khata to the Dalai Lama's throne and light butter lamps to apologise for not showing up in court when summoned on the 9th LOL ;D? This case is gonna haunt CTA for the rest of their short lives.


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Lobsang Dakpa’s license revoked; declared a contemnor

The Tibetan Supreme Justice Commission revoked the license of the Tibetan Cabinet lawyer Lobsang Dakpa after he had criticised the court’s judgment of Case no 20 as biased on 14 October, and then failed to appear for a second time to a contempt hearing regarding his statements.

Dakpa failed to appear today at 10:30 am, and a court staffer announced at 10:45 am that since the defendant didn’t show up, the court would give a decision concerning the matter at 2 pm.

In a seven-page decision, the Tibetan court stated that Dakpa will not be able to practice in any Tibetan court, with immediate effect.

Additionally, the court declared him a contemnor, and ordered him to offer a khata (ceremonial Tibetan scarf) to the Dalai Lama’s throne at Tsuglakhang Temple in McLeod Ganj and to offer 100 butter lamps as signs of apology, both to be accomplished within 15 days.

In the order, the court has given a clarification to Dakpa’s charges, including why the confidential documents were withdrawn, and pointed out his failure in following the procedures to bring his witnesses.

The court concluded that Dakpa has infringed the law, bypassed the ethics of a lawyer and the responsibilities of a Tibetan as enshrined in the Charter, been inconsiderate to social harmony with his baseless accusation of the court’s decision, and has mocked the court’s procedure and its reputation, creating doubts as to the power and procedure of the court, blatantly inciting social disturbances, and damaging the democratic process of the exile Tibetans. WHAT'S NEW?

Dakpa didn’t have anything to say when Tibet Sun contacted him. “I do not have any comments as of now.”

Source: https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2019/12/09/lobsang-dakpas-license-revoked-declared-a-contemnor (https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2019/12/09/lobsang-dakpas-license-revoked-declared-a-contemnor)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on December 28, 2019, 04:39:20 AM
Oh wow Dr. Sangay and gang has decided to apologise and agreed to pay Penpa's lawyer before they "lose their eligibility to run for office and their voting rights" as warned by the Supreme Court.

Should read some of the comments on this announcement. We will get to see how people truly feel about their bad government who seem to love creating disunity instead of unity amongst its people.

Shameful and sad but luckily there is still "some" hope, I hope. Like what a Tibetan in the comments section said... "Victory to rule of law.
Supremacy of Justice Commissions is very important for any normal society.
Justice Commissioners: utmost gratitude for protecting the institution and there by our nascent democracy.
Congratulations.

Fellow Tibetans: Love your nation. Elect right people to right office.

My respect to all the civil servants of our government, but not to political appointee playing partisan politics like North American Representative Ngodup Tsering always chasing photo opportunities or Australian Representative Lhakpa Tsoko stirring unnecessary trouble in community instead of playing the role of unifier."


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Exile Tibetan Cabinet offers apology to Penpa Tsering in Case no 20

The Lobsang Sangay-led exile Tibetan Cabinet offered an apology to Penpa Tsering in Case no 20, accepting that their charges made to justify his ousting were regrettable.

Announcing the apology on the official website of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) in both Tibetan and English, the highest office of the exile Tibetans said: “The ten-point clarification issued by the Kashag on the replacement of Mr Penpa Tsering from the service of Representative to North America was based on unreliable sources and misunderstandings, thereby unintentionally defamed his dedication, competence, and character, and led to the spread of misinformation in the community.

“For this, the Kashag [the exile Cabinet] expresses its regret.”

The Tibetan Supreme Justice Commission, in its judgment on 14 October, had dictated the text of the apology, as well as ordered that the same be published in both Tibetan and English on all CTA information outlets.

The Cabinet failed to meet the first deadline to apologise, 13 November, after which Penpa Tsering appealed to the court to take congisance of that fact. On 22 November the court gave a new date of 27 December, *with a warning that Sangay and his colleagues would lose their eligibility to run for office and their voting rights if they failed to meet this deadline.*

The second part of the original court order stipulated that the Cabinet pay Penpa Tsering’s lawyer’s fees for this case, amounting to 98,000 rupees (1,400 USD approx). This payment was fulfilled by the Cabinet by the 13 November 2019 deadline.

Famously known as “Case no 20”, this was a defamation case against the Tibetan exile Cabinet filed by Penpa Tsering, the former Representative of the Dalai Lama in Washington DC in May 2018, and became a contentious issue within the Tibetan community.

Tsering had been relieved of his Washington post, and charged with dereliction of duty, insubordination, and deficit of trust. Following this, 10 points were given by the Cabinet to justify his ousting, which points the court found groundless in deciding this case.

Source: https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2019/12/27/exile-tibetan-cabinet-offers-apology-to-penpa-tsering-in-case-no-20 (https://www.tibetsun.com/news/2019/12/27/exile-tibetan-cabinet-offers-apology-to-penpa-tsering-in-case-no-20)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on December 29, 2019, 08:11:22 AM
Some interesting comments left behind by readers from the Tibetsun news...

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Finally, Kashag under Lobsang Sangay bowed its head before the surmountable pressure, not from the judgment of the commission but from within its cabinet members, in order to save their future probable green pasture to feed in TIBETAN AILING politics.

It’s a complete victory of one’s own ego supported by the partisan nature of individuals, organisations, and representatives. Actually, there should be a strong urge to save the credentials and name of the Central Tibetan Administration’s Kashag amongst other things, but nobody cared about such name KASHAG in front of their personal gain and motives. This will have a great repercussion for the future, and has set an utter bad precedent in the history of the Tibetan government-in-exile.

Mr. Lobsang Sangay, instead of feeling relaxed and counting few months left of his tenure, should be working on how to save the name KASHAG and its portfolio for the future from all these attacking lots. At least not for himself or his cabinet this time but for the future.

I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF LOBSANG SANGAY BUT I HATE TO SEE OR WITNESS WHAT OUR KASHAG AND ITS NAME HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO. What a shame!
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: TashiJ on January 06, 2020, 10:42:56 AM
Looks like there are still who thinks Penpa sucks. Well, I do admit he isn't a saint either and honestly I think the people needs a more level headed unbiased leader that does not discriminates anyone. Then we will see Tibetan united. Otherwise it will always be petty disagreements and remarks like this one...

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There is absolutely no need to apologize, the court decision was based on the fear of being accused of being biased, and the court had no alternative but to find in favour of PT.

Penpa Tsering is a hypocrite, he gives speeches about Tibetans mustn’t migrate to the West, but he sent his wife and kids to make a fake asylum claim. The man is greedy, the family was living in the US but since they can’t get free social security in the US, they moved to Canada to claim free social security and live off the Canadian taxpayers.

Everyone will soon forget PT and let him disappear quietly.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on January 06, 2020, 10:57:59 AM
Well, there is always two sides of the coin and definitely when it comes to this case and Penpa and Sangay are rivals and obviously have their regional issues mixed in. Well, this Tibet dude does have some embarrassing points but I must say I am glad more and more people are actually voicing out and speaking their minds without fearing a backlash.

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At last, the insurgency is over! It looks like it has left a bad taste in the mouth after all the hue and cry of “injustice”. Never before in the history of Tibetan Kashag had its own subjects riling, abusing, and turning against it. When Mao asked the Tibetans to rise against the Government of Tibet in 1949, Tibetans treated it as a blasphemy. However, after losing our country to foreign occupation and living on foreign soil riding on the good will of the host but nothing else, some had the temerity to protest in front of the Kashag when it came to “defend” their self-interest. This is at a time when we are facing poor attendance of protesters on 10th of March. Without any consideration for the adverse effect it will naturally have on the movement, the vested interests, either driven by their ego or worse acting on the behest of foreign saboteurs.

The last year has been a self-destructing exercise that has no winners. Our unity has been severely damaged by the bad blood spilling in every facet of our existence. The vested interests left no stone unturned to demonise, discredit, and humiliate the Kashag and its leader. They inflamed the situation by incendiary accusations against the leader by unsavoury characters who sought to exploit it for their selfish purposes by driving a wedge between the Tibetans hailing from different parts of the country. HH The Dalai Lama has been in pains to tell Tibetans that “if you consider me your friend, never talk about cholka or Choeluk”. Unfortunately, the ragtag mob were tone deaf to such pleadings and instead used the cholka card to bludgeon their opponent and Kashag. They made a mockery of Kashag and ridiculed the members. We have to ask if these people have any loyalty to the Tibetan Government or agents of a foreign country?

Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: TashiJ on January 09, 2020, 07:30:50 AM
This fella even dares to question their Justice Commission. I guess they have the right to Freedom of Speech though very silly and shoot himself on the foot. If he/she questions the justice then their justice system is as good as nothing. It's fishy to read such fishy comments... must be CTA's click don't wanna show they lost and in shame now. Quite childish and if this is the kind of mindsets they have, then it is no wonder they lost Tibet and never getting it back.  8)

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From Jampa Dorjee:
I wonder from where this effectiveness of the Tibetan Justice Commission comes from now!? When the Parliamentarian Mr. Dawa Tsering didn’t comply with its judgment, and dragged the Justice Commissioners to Indian court, but again the judgment of the district court went in favor of the Justice Commission, why didn’t the Justice Commissioner showed such effectiveness character of issuing notices and contempt proceedings etc against Dawa Tsering THEN????

I find the present effectiveness of the Justice Commissioner so fishy and politically-motivated against this Kashag and its Cabinet.

And it’s so unfortunate to witness how people are misusing the system or the de-facto judicial system of exile governance, favoring an individual, putting the whole system at stake.

General Tibetan
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on January 12, 2020, 08:09:55 AM
Here's a good one and I must say I do agree! Hopefully, we will see more fairness and more people like these speaking up logically and not using where they are from or what they worship as a petty tool to create a diversion which is exactly what the CTA has been trying to do for ages!

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From Lobsang: Tibetan parliament in exile failed to held Kashag accountable for all the turmoils in our Tibetan community but Tibetan supreme justice commission saved the day. First two pillars of Tibetan democracy fared poorly but TSJC stood firm and shown the only way to Kashag. This is a great victory of democracy and truth. Say no to regionalism and communalism, it only serves the purpose of corrupt politicians and not anyone. Case number 20 has shown us how self serving bad politicians and leaders has made bad moves which never helped to bring freedom and right to self-determination of Tibetan people.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on January 16, 2020, 04:49:55 AM
I guess there are still those who don't believe Sangay cares, is regretful and truly sorry for his actions. And I will have to agree with this Norbu because that is just the ugly truth about CTA!

They do not really care about their people. All they care about is how much funds they are gonna get to put in their fat bank accounts while they pretend to work for their people. Just think, look, see, and experience. C'mon, ask what really have they actually done for the Tibetan people in exile and in those in Tibet besides encouraging them to take their own lives, so the population of Tibetans becomes less? I mean how stupid can one government be to ask your own people to kill themselves? Like who cares? One more less burden to worry about for China. Such a dumb advise.
 
On top of that, the lives of Tibetans in exile are always being threatened or guilt-tripped to do whatever the CTA asks of them. You have to give up your lineage Gurus, your practice, your protector, your family, friends and stay as an exile citizen, because you would be labelled a "traitor" if you decide to become an Indian citizen if you dare, while the CTA leaders themselves have foreign passports and homes like Lobsang Sangay - the biggest hypocrite of all! And he's the so-called President of the Tibetan people? Give up his home in America and his passport first and he become just like the rest exile Tibetans then maybe he can be a good example. Geez, how twisted can Tibetan politics get? This is how twisted it is, and they wonder why they lost their country? Look at the leaders and how they operate, you will know. It's a no brainer.


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From Norbu:

I think the written apology with no word of apologies but only regret and soe-soel in Tibetan is so much of wordplay and clearly trying to show displeasure and arrogance from the part of LS and his team of kalons wrt loss of #case20.

An open press conference with tibetan and/or outside media to give audio-visual statements and interview will be the best possible relief to Penpa Tsering la, former Speaker of house and former Representative of HH for North America.

Only then the true justice with case 20 will be served.
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: TashiJ on January 20, 2020, 02:00:50 AM
Is this good news or is it GREAT NEWS for exile Tibetans hu?

Very interesting article here... according to this news, it is confirmed that the dear Sangay will definitely not be in the next election in 2021. Totally no chance to continue creating havoc!?!?! it is as if he is not allowed to run for President ever again. I wonder where this instructions came from... His Holiness the Dalai Lama? Most probably as we all know His Holiness still has the final say.

Well, I'll cheers to that, because honestly LS is such a huge disappointment! In the beginning we thought there is a real genuine thinker, someone who came from Harvard, surely he can be rational and not discriminate his own people and mix religion and politics, but he did you that all for the sake of probably some extra big pocket money. Sad to say, another corrupt snake that did nothing for the exile Tibetans nor the Tibetans in TAR oh except encourage their deaths! Disgusting, I hope he is proud of his legacy.


Former Minister Gyari Dolma announces running for Sikyong elections in 2021

DHARAMSHALA, Jan. 18: Former Home Minister of the exile Tibetan government known officially as the Central Tibetan Administration, Gyari Dolma said she is running for the office of Sikyong (President) in the 2021 elections, becoming the first aspirant to have announced so publicly.

Gyari Dolma was speaking at an event organized by the student body of Kirori Mal College in New Delhi where she was invited as the Chief Guest on Friday. “I can say that I am an aspirant for the elections in 2021. I am not a candidate but I am an aspirant and with everybody’s blessing, I hope I do get the chance to serve my people and especially His Holiness the Dalai Lama closely once again,” Dolma said yesterday.

The former Tibetan minister was also a noted legislator for over a decade during which she was elected the first female deputy speaker of the Tibetan parliament in exile, known then as the Assembly of Tibetan People’s Deputies. In 2010 she ran for the Kalon Tripa preliminary elections but later withdrew from the final elections.

Former North America Representative and Former Speaker of TPiE Penpa Tsering and former Minister for Security of CTA, Dongchung Ngodup are also said to be in contention for the top office of the Tibetan polity although such claims could not be independently verified at the moment.

The incumbent President Dr. Lobsang Sangay who is serving his second term will not feature in the next elections meaning the top office of the Tibetan polity will have a new face come 2021.

Source: http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=42089&article=Former+Minister+Gyari+Dolma+announces+running+for+Sikyong+elections+in+2021 (http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=42089&article=Former+Minister+Gyari+Dolma+announces+running+for+Sikyong+elections+in+2021)
Title: Re: Lobsang Sangay, See You in Court!
Post by: dsnowlion on January 23, 2020, 10:20:46 AM
Is this good news or is it GREAT NEWS for exile Tibetans hu?

Very interesting article here... according to this news, it is confirmed that the dear Sangay will definitely not be in the next election in 2021. Totally no chance to continue creating havoc!?!?! it is as if he is not allowed to run for President ever again. I wonder where this instructions came from... His Holiness the Dalai Lama? Most probably as we all know His Holiness still has the final say.

Well, I'll cheers to that, because honestly LS is such a huge disappointment! In the beginning we thought there is a real genuine thinker, someone who came from Harvard, surely he can be rational and not discriminate his own people and mix religion and politics, but he did you that all for the sake of probably some extra big pocket money. Sad to say, another corrupt snake that did nothing for the exile Tibetans nor the Tibetans in TAR oh except encourage their deaths! Disgusting, I hope he is proud of his legacy.


Former North America Representative and Former Speaker of TPiE Penpa Tsering and former Minister for Security of CTA, Dongchung Ngodup are also said to be in contention for the top office of the Tibetan polity although such claims could not be independently verified at the moment.

The incumbent President Dr. Lobsang Sangay who is serving his second term will not feature in the next elections meaning the top office of the Tibetan polity will have a new face come 2021.

Source: [url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=42089&article=Former+Minister+Gyari+Dolma+announces+running+for+Sikyong+elections+in+2021[/url] ([url]http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=42089&article=Former+Minister+Gyari+Dolma+announces+running+for+Sikyong+elections+in+2021[/url])[/size]


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What a huge slap on LS's face... no more chance to con poor Tibetans in exile. I guess His Holiness has had enough of him. However, we need to watch to see if Penpa will run, it would just a bad and LS if he is going to attack Dorje Shugden Lamas and people. He is another one to be careful. He spoke really badly about Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche our lineage father.