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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: dsnowlion on April 06, 2018, 11:38:22 PM
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In early March, the world learned that India was serious about repairing her relationship with China. The Tibetans themselves only learned of this when they were unceremoniously informed, by way of a leaked memo, that no Indian officials would be allowed to attend events hosted by the Tibetan leadership, which included the grand opening event of the ‘Thank You India‘ campaign which was originally to be hosted in New Delhi.
So when this opening event finally took place on March 31st, having been forcibly relocated to Dharamsala where the Tibetan leadership is based, not even live updates could save the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) from the embarrassment of being forced to host their event in low key Dharamsala instead of glamorous New Delhi.
The Indian leadership did face a little criticism for their sudden about-face regarding their stance on Tibetan refugees. Seeking to allay these criticisms, they finally allowed for one of their minor ministers, Union Minister Mahesh Sharma, to grace the celebrations in Dharamsala.
In his speech as the guest of honor, Mr Sharma referred to India’s support for the Dalai Lama’s return to his country. This is a neutral statement that can be interpreted in many ways but, given the nature of the event, the current political climate, and the state of bilateral relations between India and China, Mr Sharma’s message is very clear — the Indian government supports the Dalai Lama leaving India and along with him, the rest of the Tibetans.
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At first India said all Ministers should not attend any Tibetan events, then they send the Union Minister to the event and what was said was actually quite interesting as he did not mention any against China but instead said India would support for the Dalai Lama’s return to Tibet. It is as if he is saying... yes India agrees and want you to please go back. It would be better for everyone.
This should be loud and clear enough what the CTA should do and if they want to return to the homeland, barking on the USA's tree is not going to help them achieve anything. It is China who they should be finding ways to negotiate with if it is not too late.
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Lobsang Sangay is incapable to negotiate with the dragon. He is no where near the entrance to the Forbidden City. He is forbidden to enter for sure. Only proven capable leaders will be seen with the rising dragon as that is a prestige everyone would like to be part of. It is the party for those proven successful that Lobsang Sangay is far from qualified to be part of. Also, this kind of meetings is exclusive for nations that can achieve mutual benefits. The elephant will be more happy to transport the pesticides to the dragon land as Union Minister Mahesh Sharma has said during the Tibetans’ ‘Thank You India’ event that was forcefully moved to Dharamsala from Delhi: "We support the Dalai Lama's struggle for returning to his country." However, the dragon continues to hold their stand that harmful pests are not welcome.
It has been proven that the 60 years has been a nightmare for the elephant who is now looking up to the dragon to raise its own prestige also. If Lobsang Sangay was smart, he would have strategized and foreseen the return to China is the Tibetans only hope. India cannot be their refuge forever and the good terms will end because circumstances will change.
As we all know by now, Lobsang Sangay is short-sighted and incapable to achieve big things. Otherwise, His Holiness wouldn’t have sent Prof. Samdhong Rinpoche to China for a private visit last year. I am sure His Holiness has some plans in mind, he would not fail the Tibetan refugees but the plan doesn’t include Lobsang Sangay and the useless Kashag members of the CTA who are never sincere in serving the Tibetans in the first place.
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The least Lobsang Sangay can do is to help the Dalai Lama and all Tibetans who wish to go back to Tibet, China, by coming down from their high horse , drop all their baseless negative vibes against China , remove the ban on Shugden practice as China now officially supports Dorje Shugden and peacefully negotiate with China. Those who wish to stay back in India should be helped to secure Indian citizenship.
But will the Tibetan Leadership even do this or are they still hiding self-serving schemes under their sleeves?
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The least Lobsang Sangay can do is to help the Dalai Lama and all Tibetans who wish to go back to Tibet, China, by coming down from their high horse , drop all their baseless negative vibes against China , remove the ban on Shugden practice as China now officially supports Dorje Shugden and peacefully negotiate with China. Those who wish to stay back in India should be helped to secure Indian citizenship.
But will the Tibetan Leadership even do this or are they still hiding self-serving schemes under their sleeves?
Yes isn't it strange how Sangay and CTA are does everything contradictory in assisting and creating the causes for the Dalai Lama to return. This is indeed very strange because what they do is definitely opposite of what they are hoping to achieve. If Sangay thinks that China will allow him and his cronies to operate in Tibet, he'd best forget it. They do not even recognise him as the President now. Can you imagine him meeting President Xi, like the Emperor of China meeting a cockroach? Bottom line is, he is not going to get what he wants if he keeps banging on the same strategy now, which is to condemn China!
Why does CTA do it all the things wrong that would jeopardise the Dalai Lama's return?
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It is only reasonable for any government to prioritise the welfare of its citizens and do what is best for their country’s economic growth. Thus, it is not unforeseeable that India would change its policies regarding the Tibetans considering the actions of the Tibetan leadership to date that clearly show;
(i) the Tibetan leadership never contributed or intended to really co back to Indian society
(ii) the Tibetan leadership is not interested in Indian domestic affairs and
(iii) the Tibetan leadership only cares about playing politics to try and accomplish some of their political goals. In fact, the Tibetan leadership doesn’t even think about whether India (who has graciously hosted Tibetans) when the Tibetan leadership sets out to antagonise China.
Hence, the subtle but clear message of India’s changing stance in respect of Tibetans. Yet even when it is clear that the Tibetans are slowly losing their welcome, the Tibetan leadership is too busy milking the situation for their benefit instead of doing their jobs properly.
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Yet even when it is clear that the Tibetans are slowly losing their welcome, the Tibetan leadership is too busy milking the situation for their benefit instead of doing their jobs properly.
Shows you their true colours doesn't it? The current leadership is all about taking every opportunity to squeeze out as much as possible from any situation. Maybe they realise eventually they will be relinquished of their status especially if the Dalai Lama returns to China, Tibet. Let's get real, there is no way Sangay and his cronies would be allowed to operate as status quo in Tibet. So what will they do once the Dalai Lama is in Tibet? Nothing much. Hence, maybe this is why they are doing all that they can to now for their bank accounts.
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The Indian government did a good job to subtly telling the Tibetans in exile to go back to Tibet. The message is: India will no longer want to host the Tibetans in their country. 60 years of struggle and the Tibetans in exile are still struggling, better to end this struggle by going back to China or become an Indian citizen. Anyone with sense would come to this conclusion.
The CTA is very selfish, they don’t care about the future of the Tibetans in exile. Do they really know how is it like to live as a stateless person? The movement of a stateless person is limited and the Tibetans don’t have the sense of belonging in India as long as they don't become part of India. They are neither here nor there. And now, they are called the parasites who leech on India.
If the CTA really cares for the Tibetan in exile, their focus will be on the future of the Tibetans in exile. Looking at the current situation, the Tibet cause will still be a failure, they should stop this campaign. They should establish a good relationship with China and negotiate for autonomous recognition, this way they will be able to bring the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans back to Tibet. Or the least, they should encourage the Tibetan in exile to take up the Indian citizenship and be part of them.
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The Tibetans have taken so much advantage of their situation that the Indians would be happy if they go back to Tibet, China. Because with all the privileges they have received, what have they given back to India? What are the Tibetans waiting for after 60 years of refugee state? They for sure cannot expect to get back Tibet. This will never happen...
Anyway, what would Sangay and the CTA do when the Dalai Lama and all or most of the Tibetans have left India? Interesting question, isn't it!?! :o
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With the recent criticism by Dalai Lama of Nehru, the very person who gave him and the Tibetans refugees asylum back in 1959, the relationship between India and the Tibetans in exile gone further downhill. It was a very wrong thing the Dalai Lama has said and it didn't favour much support from India, of course. After hosting them for 59 years unconditionally, the least the Dalai Lama can do is to stop poking his nose into India's internal affairs, he should just mind his own business and stop creating trouble for his host.
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With the recent criticism by Dalai Lama of Nehru, the very person who gave him and the Tibetans refugees asylum back in 1959, the relationship between India and the Tibetans in exile gone further downhill. It was a very wrong thing the Dalai Lama has said and it didn't favor much support from India, of course. After hosting them for 59 years unconditionally, the least the Dalai Lama can do is to stop poking his nose into India's internal affairs, he should just mind his own business and stop creating trouble for his host.
I think the Dalai Lama is pulling the strings to expedite his return to Tibet. He is a seasoned politician with a wise and sharp mind. It is impossible for him to make stupid mistakes like this especially on such a sensitive issue which involve their first Prime Minister. The only explanation that he wants to go back to Tibet and he needs India's help to send him back.
It also means that CTA can't do anything to protect the Tibetans and now H.H Dalai Lama need to take matters into his own hands. He cants rely on them anymore. That is why H.H Dalai Lama sent Samdhong Rinpoche to China to have a private meeting instead of CTA sending anyone over. It's sad to see CTA pushed all the responsibility of Tibetan's welfare onto an old man while they themselves enjoy the high life from public donations.
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It is amazing how the Dalai Lama can go and criticise Nehru who gave the Tibetans refuge and so many favours. He really wants to go back to Tibet fast as now all the Indians say "Enough" of these Tibetans who are so ungrateful and create trouble non stop.
Nobody wanted their Thank You India 2018 and this is only fair as the Tibetans focus on themselves and don't care a bit about India. Well, I hope that the Dalai Lama's wish will manifest fast and he can leave for Tibet. Byebye CTA, enough is enough!! 8) 8)
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The funny thing is he could have returned immediately without pulling all these stunts and embarrass himself further. Criticising Nehru, the hand that feeds him and his refugees over 60 years, is a sign of an ungrateful person and you would have thought that the Dalai Lama will never do so. Obviously, we are wrong about it.
Rumors had it that he was unhappy about Lobsang Sangay and his non-performance so the Dalai Lama already canceled an event prior to the useless Thank You India event. It is no wonder that the Indian government rode on that and asked her officials not to attend the CTA's event. In Karnataka, the Dalai Lama apologized for his comment on Nehru which could have been avoided and used to thank you India, at least on the surface, to get on her good side so the Tibetan refugees and CTA, especially the Dalai Lama, can continue to live like royalty with all the privileges given by the Indian government.
Too bad, the Dalai Lama really ruined the opportunity this time and make things really difficult for himself and his refugees.
It is amazing how the Dalai Lama can go and criticise Nehru who gave the Tibetans refuge and so many favours. He really wants to go back to Tibet fast as now all the Indians say "Enough" of these Tibetans who are so ungrateful and create trouble non stop.
Nobody wanted their Thank You India 2018 and this is only fair as the Tibetans focus on themselves and don't care a bit about India. Well, I hope that the Dalai Lama's wish will manifest fast and he can leave for Tibet. Byebye CTA, enough is enough!! 8) 8)
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The Tibetans should get the hint and start to plan for themselves now. Free Tibet movement is not going to work, that is for sure. There is no reason why India has to help and protect the Tibetans anymore.
China is growing stronger every day, everyone can see that. India, on the other hand, is also very smart, they know instead of going against China or compete with them, it will be wiser to work with them to gain mutual benefit. China likes money, but they also make sure their partners get a share too.
However, the relationship between India and China is not improving fast enough. Apart from the border issue, the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans are another big hindrance to their relationship. India is now keeping a distance away from the Tibetans. But I think sooner or later, India will force the Tibetans to either integrate or they can get out of India. There will not Tibetans in exile or CTA in India anymore.
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The Tibetans should get the hint and start to plan for themselves now. Free Tibet movement is not going to work, that is for sure. There is no reason why India has to help and protect the Tibetans anymore.
China is growing stronger every day, everyone can see that. India, on the other hand, is also very smart, they know instead of going against China or compete with them, it will be wiser to work with them to gain mutual benefit. China likes money, but they also make sure their partners get a share too.
However, the relationship between India and China is not improving fast enough. Apart from the border issue, the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans are another big hindrance to their relationship. India is now keeping a distance away from the Tibetans. But I think sooner or later, India will force the Tibetans to either integrate or they can get out of India. There will not Tibetans in exile or CTA in India anymore.
Free Tibet movement is just a redundant group of feel good people. It is so obvious with every single country that counts, supports China as the sovereign, Tibet is China. Not one country had stood up to say Tibet belongs to CTA or the Dalai Lama. So CTA should really get it into their heads and look for solution to solve their situation in India before India kicks them out. The best I see is to support the Dalai Lama who has the clairvoyance to know what is the future...which is China. CTA should just stop all their blabbering, lift the Shugden ban and reconnect with the Shugden people who are influential with the Chinese government. Then CTA will have support for the way home to China. The Dalai Lama is already old and not in the best of health, so why is CTA being so cruel to keep running over his wish? After so many years in CTA, hasn't Lobsang Sangay collected enough to fund his and his children's retirement to their old age? At the very least they can start by helping the Dalai Lama to return home....
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The funny thing is he could have returned immediately without pulling all these stunts and embarrass himself further. Criticising Nehru, the hand that feeds him and his refugees over 60 years, is a sign of an ungrateful person and you would have thought that the Dalai Lama will never do so. Obviously, we are wrong about it.
Rumors had it that he was unhappy about Lobsang Sangay and his non-performance so the Dalai Lama already canceled an event prior to the useless Thank You India event. It is no wonder that the Indian government rode on that and asked her officials not to attend the CTA's event. In Karnataka, the Dalai Lama apologized for his comment on Nehru which could have been avoided and used to thank you India, at least on the surface, to get on her good side so the Tibetan refugees and CTA, especially the Dalai Lama, can continue to live like royalty with all the privileges given by the Indian government.
Too bad, the Dalai Lama really ruined the opportunity this time and make things really difficult for himself and his refugees.
Maybe it was all done on purpose so that India kicks him out faster? Hard to believe a seasoned politician like the Dalai Lama would not know that what he said will invoke a lot of "hate" from the Indians. It is like self-sabotaging so that China can take him? Otherwise, it makes no sense why the Dalai Lama did what he did. Everything is done for a reason and he is far from senile.
Yes, I don't think Sangay is in the Dalai Lama's good books at the moment, he seems to be doing everything the opposite of what the Da. I feel the Dalai Lama is just keeping him around for the sake of being seen as democratic and perhaps to allow the future of Tibetan leadership to be democratic. This change of tradition of being ruled by a God-King cannot happen so suddenly and so easily, hence they would need to begin now, before the Dalai Lama goes and perhaps become the last one. At least when he is gone, there is a democratic system in place to help select the next political leader.
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The Tibetans should get the hint and start to plan for themselves now. Free Tibet movement is not going to work, that is for sure. There is no reason why India has to help and protect the Tibetans anymore.
China is growing stronger every day, everyone can see that. India, on the other hand, is also very smart, they know instead of going against China or compete with them, it will be wiser to work with them to gain mutual benefit. China likes money, but they also make sure their partners get a share too.
However, the relationship between India and China is not improving fast enough. Apart from the border issue, the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans are another big hindrance to their relationship. India is now keeping a distance away from the Tibetans. But I think sooner or later, India will force the Tibetans to either integrate or they can get out of India. There will not Tibetans in exile or CTA in India anymore.
Free Tibet movement is just a redundant group of feel good people. It is so obvious with every single country that counts, supports China as the sovereign, Tibet is China. Not one country had stood up to say Tibet belongs to CTA or the Dalai Lama. So CTA should really get it into their heads and look for solution to solve their situation in India before India kicks them out. The best I see is to support the Dalai Lama who has the clairvoyance to know what is the future...which is China. CTA should just stop all their blabbering, lift the Shugden ban and reconnect with the Shugden people who are influential with the Chinese government. Then CTA will have support for the way home to China. The Dalai Lama is already old and not in the best of health, so why is CTA being so cruel to keep running over his wish? After so many years in CTA, hasn't Lobsang Sangay collected enough to fund his and his children's retirement to their old age? At the very least they can start by helping the Dalai Lama to return home....
Tibetans are so bad that even their host is getting rid of them. India is just too nice to tell them to GTFO from India. Tibetans stayed in India for over six decades now and they have not made any progress in the fight for their independence, Tibetan cause. Do you know that the Tibetan leadership aka CTA has been receiving donations from countries all over the world and the amount is up to millions per year?
This went on for 60 years and imagine how fat their bank accounts will be. However, due to the corruption, I bet non of the funds which were intended for Tibetans in exile ever reach into the hands of fellow Tibetans in exile. Coincidentally, President of CTA Lobsang Sangay manages to pay off mortgages for his property foreign countries in a rather short and suspicious amount of time.
With all the help and financial assistance, there is no progress on Tibetan cause at all. They have not even manage to initiate a dialogue between them and China. From the looks of it, Tibetans will continue to be refugee and leech off India for quite sometime in the years to come. There is not a single hope that can be seen from the current leadership that Tibetans in Exile can cling on.
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It is no wonder that the Indian Minister would like to get rid of the Tibetans as the Tibetans and Dalai Lama create so many problems for India.
What is the CTA, the Central Tibetan Administration doing to support India? Do they anything to help their host? The Tibetans are living in good conditions and have the support of so many people from around the world. But they don't help India.
Instead India has bad relations with their neighbor China because of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans as the CTA is accusing the Chinese Government in every way possible and creates innumerable problems for India.
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It is no wonder that the Indian Minister would like to get rid of the Tibetans as the Tibetans and Dalai Lama create so many problems for India.
What is the CTA, the Central Tibetan Administration doing to support India? Do they anything to help their host? The Tibetans are living in good conditions and have the support of so many people from around the world. But they don't help India.
Instead India has bad relations with their neighbor China because of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans as the CTA is accusing the Chinese Government in every way possible and creates innumerable problems for India.
The CTA only creates trouble, they never bring benefits to anyone, not even their own people. Look at how many countries have disassociated themselves with the CTA over the years? Having associated with the CTA means going against China. China will not be happy about it.
China is important to everyone because they are the most powerful economy in the world. The economy of most of the western countries are not doing well, there is no growth. But the economy in China continues to grow. Only people without sense will go against China if they want their economy to continue to go downhill.
The relationship between India and China cannot progress further due to the Tibetans. Things are moving very fast and time is crucial, if India wants to grow together with China, the Tibetans have to be out of the way. It is not worthy to make the whole country suffers for the Tibetans. After all, what benefits did the Tibetans give to India? So far, only problems.
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India has always wanted the Tibetans to leave India. Honestly speaking, who will want a refugee that keeps on taking their resources without contributing anything back for 60 years. India has been very patient with the Tibetans even when they created a lot of problems for India to have a good relationship with China.
India has welcomed the Tibetans warmly 60 years ago and gave them free land and resources for them to rebuild their community in India. The Tibetans were fighting for the independence of Tibet and promised that they will go back to Tibet soon. However, 60 years had passed and there is almost no progress on the Free Tibet movement.
In fact, it is much harder for them to get Tibet back because now that China had grown to be so powerful and they have invested so much in Tibet. It is just not possible for China to just hand Tibet back to them on a silver platter. The Tibetan leadership had lost their chance to fight for the independence of Tibet by not aggressively fight for it when they just fled the country and China’s grip on Tibet is still unstable. It is far too late now. Tibet will forever remain part of China.