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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Harold Musetescu on July 02, 2016, 03:55:35 AM
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We all know the story of how Dorje Shugden in 1959 helped the 14th Dalai Lama. Trijang Rinpoche ask the then Panglung Kuten to go into trance and asked Dorje Shugden how to help the Dalai Lama leave Tibet. Dorje Shugden told him to go via the "Southern Gate" and enter India, which the 14th Dalai Lama did.
There is another lesser know version of this story. That version is that Dorje Shugden did not help the Dalai Lama escape from Tibet into India. What Dorje Shugden did in fact was EXPEL the 14th Dalai Lama from Tibet.
Dorje Shugden's intent was to expel the D.L. so that he would never return to Tibet in this life time nor his next.
We believe Dorje Shugden to be an "Enlightened Being" who has the power to see into the future. Dorje Shugden did see into the future and what he saw was all the pain and suffering the followers of Dorje Shugden would suffer at the hands of this monster. By expelling the Dalai Lama he would never be able to directly hurt the followers of Dorje Shugden in Tibet. In the future the there would be two 15th Dalai Lama's and the Tibetan Dalai Lama would insure the flourishing of the teachings of Dorje Shugden. The anti Dorje Shugden "Indian" 15th Dalai Lama would lose all his power in Tibet. The Chinese government have now made it a crime to try and stop the practice of Dorje Shugden in Tibet.
The 14th Dalai Lama was given a one way ticket out of Tibet by Dorje Shugden. This monster will never see Tibet again and he will never have any true power there ever again.
So you can believe that Dorje Shugden helped the Dalai Lama escape Tibet. Or you can believe that Dorje Shugden secretly expelled the Dalai Lama in 1959.
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Thanks mate for sharing yer thoughts. Deffo an interesting perspective and yours is a question thatll be answered differently based on who you ask. Expulsion is a possibility but for my own persons, I find that view problematic because:
- I am pretty sure as an enlightened being, Shugden is not going to discriminate the sufferings of Dorje Shugden practitioners versus those of non-Shugden practitioners. He would not choose one lot of people over another. If that were the case, then it would be difficult to say hes enlightened, would it not?
- by protecting Dorje Shugden followers in Tibet, thousands of others outside Tibet were put at risk
- we have heard stories from monks who were in the Chushi Gangdruk and entourage with the Dalai Lama who speak of Dorje Shugden manifesting miracles. For example, why manifest a cloud to hang over the escaping party, to hide them from the view of overheard Communist planes, if it wouldve just been easier for them to be spotted and killed? Then this ban wouldve never come about in the first place and Shugden practitioners inside and outside Tibet would be protected?
Anyhoo. Despite my opinions, I think its futile FOR ME to speculate on these matters since I lack the facts to come to a firm conclusion. So I tend to err on the side of Dorje Shugden guiding the Dalai Lama out, since that is the version supported by Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche and his people. Much safer since their lot in the midst of it all.
Have to ask though, whered you hear this expulsion version from? First Ive ever heard of it. Not discounting that it could be possible but Ive never heard anyone else come to that conclusion before, least of all the Tibetans.
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A kuten.
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Anyway, it's all academic now. Good or damage, it is done. I would like to believe that Dorje Shugden did not err in sending the Dalai Lama to India, for whatever reasons.
The fact of the matter here is that the Dalai Lama survived the trek to Nepal and escape possible death in the attack on Potala palace in 1959. He might not have survived the attack, he might have survived and ruled Tibet under the thumb of China. that is pure speculation now.
Why expel when the Dalai Lama could have been left in the palace and left to meet his fate? Whatever, however, the fact of the matter is that he is alive and have instituted a ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden. It is our role here and now to help bring the ban to the knowledge of the West and the world, to help in the effort to lift the ban. It is also for our own knowledge and training to learn more about the Dharma and Dorje Shugden to be able to differentiate what is the truth in Dharma and not be sheep following another sheep.
Someone once told me that hind sight is perfect eyesight. That's for people like me without clairvoyance. *sigh*
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I believe Dorje Shugden has helped the Dalai Lama to escape and making Tibetan Buddhism available for all. Otherwise, it would mean that Dorje Shugden is unenlightened and do favouritism that is aligned with your thought about the Dalai Lama and all his "monstrous" actions. If you believe the Dalai Lama is unenlightened, it is understandable that he takes favouritism and what have you, but not for enlightened Dorje Shugden.
In addition, if you have learned about the various prophecies on how Tibetan Buddhism will travel to the west to benefit, Dorje Shugden is definitely an important element we should take into consideration.
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To Rowntree
The greatest teaching the 14th Dalai Lama has given us is that he is an UNENLIGHTENED BEING.
He has taught us to be very careful in throwing around words like ENLIGHTENED BEING.
Dorje Shugden expelled the Dalai Lama so his true UNENLIGHTENED nature would be revealed in OUR FUTURE.
Dorje Shugden's ENLIGHTENMENT was to show all of us the Dalai Lama's UNENLIGHTENED NATURE.
Dorje Shugden's ENLIGHTENMENT was to show all of us Sakya Trizin's UNENLIGHTENED NATURE.
These are but a few examples of Dorje Shugden's ENLIGHTENED NATURE.
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I believe Dorje Shugden has helped the Dalai Lama to escape and making Tibetan Buddhism available for all. Otherwise, it would mean that Dorje Shugden is unenlightened and do favouritism that is aligned with your thought about the Dalai Lama and all his "monstrous" actions. If you believe the Dalai Lama is unenlightened, it is understandable that he takes favouritism and what have you, but not for enlightened Dorje Shugden.
In addition, if you have learned about the various prophecies on how Tibetan Buddhism will travel to the west to benefit, Dorje Shugden is definitely an important element we should take into consideration.
Dear Rowtree
I agree with you. Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being and the Dalai Lama is also an enlightened being. No matter how difficult and unbelievable the circumstance currently is, I will never lose faith in both the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden. Please take a look at Music Delighting written by the previous Trijang Rinpoche before the ban was implemented. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche already predicted that the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden would manifest conflict but they actually working together to spread the Dharma. Therefore, we should not go against either the Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden.
Michaela
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Hmm its an interesting perspective to think that Dorje Shugden is actually expelling the Dalai Lama instead of helping him escape. It would seem the ban on Dorje Shugden is the revenge of the Dalai Lama for his current condition, a refugee and having to live off the goodwill of others.
However, I believe that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being and would do what is best for Je Tsongkapa's teachings to spread. As such, with the Dalai Lama remaining in Tibet, many attained Lamas and monks would have stayed on too. The invasion would have certainly kill off the dharma thus not what Protector Dorje Shugden would have wanted. So in this case, I tend to believe that Dorje Shugden actually saved the Dalai Lama and the many attained Lamas to enable the spread of Tibetan Buddhism to the world, as it has. This is the simplest view of mine.
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To Michaela
Did you read my post on "The 5th Dalai Lama engaged in Human Sacrifices"?
Does enlightened activity on the part of the Dalai Lama's Lineage included the practice of "HUMAN SACRIFICES" TO A MONGOLIAN WAR GOD??
Michaela do you really endorse the "HUMAN SACRIFICES"done by the 5th Dalai Lama?
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A kuten.
Which one? Would help to know because as far as I know, not all of em can be trusted. Heard stories about Tseringma being slapped for saying a tulku had broken his vows and stories about some oracles with broken samaya giving wrong answers. Trehor Gyalpon too, only trusted certain oracles even if they were supposedly channeling the same deities.
Anyway, it's all academic now. Good or damage, it is done. I would like to believe that Dorje Shugden did not err in sending the Dalai Lama to India, for whatever reasons.
Thanks for stating the obvious but sometimes speculation can help to discern the truth of what happened so people can be educated about the facts. So you contradict. Your first paragraph criticises speculation but your third speaks of raising awareness about the ban. Learning about the truth of what happened is a part of that process and it requires a certain degree of speculation I should think.
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The skillful means of Dorje Shugden and his retinue is multi-faceted, and multi-dimensional, therefore it is not merely black and white, both reasons presented in the title of this thread are amongst many other reasons, some of which have been mentioned over the years on this site and in this forum.
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The skillful means of Dorje Shugden and his retinue is multi-faceted, and multi-dimensional, therefore it is not merely black and white, both reasons presented in the title of this thread are amongst many other reasons, some of which have been mentioned over the years on this site and in this forum.
This I agree! And really interesting perspective Mr. Harold have there... I suppose you would adopt this theory if you choose to believe that Dalai Lama is a "monster" and not Chenrezig. And it would raise questions like... so you mean to say HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Ling Rinpoche did not see this monster hidden in monks robes calling himself Dalai Lama and them teachings and caring for Him? And you mean this monster happened to fool all the rest of the high Lamas? I find quite hard to believe. And as much as I enjoyed reading Harold's suggested views, I don't buy it sorry. But what you say about having two Dalai Lamas - India and China is definitely going to be an interesting outcome and what if both were not monster but Chenrezig manifesting to benefit both sides... anything's possible.
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Well, DharmaDefender, we can always speculate. Not sure if knowledge comes under speculation. As I've always stated, I'm not very bright.
Is knowing facts the same as speculating? Why do I want to speculate about the reasons for the ban? If the Dalai Lama gives spurious reasons, I either agree or disagree. Are the origins of the Dharma Protector something to speculate on? Was the report on the trek of the Dalai Lama and his retinue out of Tibet mere speculation? Does that mean that the so-called thangka that was supposed to be carried by the Dalai Lama while escaping mere speculation? So, whatever that we read about is speculation? So, whatever we were informed about Dorje Shugden have elements of speculation about it? That's not very reassuring is it? So, that calls for a very high dose of extreme faith in cultism.
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To dsnowlion
These High Lamas would have known the truth about this "MONSTER". But do you really think them foolish enough to say anything publicly about the "MONSTER".
This "MONSTER" who could have your eyes gouged out our your tongue cut out of your mouth if you displeased him.
This "MONSTER" THAT CREATED PRAYERS TO INVOKE A MONGOLIAN WAR GOD TO SLAUGHTER HIS TIBETAN RIVALS.
This "MONSTER" that engaged in "HUMAN SACRIFICES" OF CAPTURED PRISONERS WHO WERE SAKYA MONKS.
This "MONSTER" who if this was 300 years ago would have YOU,ME and the other followers of Dorje Shugden become "HUMAN SACRIFICES" to his MONGOLIAN WAR GOD.
A CIA paid "MONSTER" who was the head of a CIA MERCENARY ARMY OF 2000 MEN.
This "MONSTER" who executed H.H. Demo Tulku by having his still alive body stuffed into a barrel, the lid placed on it and then poured water through a hole into it until he drowned.
This "MONSTER" who came into power backed by Gushri Khan and his Mongolian Army.
This "MONSTER" who overthrew the then leader of Tibet, His Holiness Sakya Trizin.
This "MONSTER" that DESTROYED the Jonangpa Sect.
Sorry dsnowlion but when it comes to your claims about this "MONSTER" being and enlightened being,"I DON'T BUY IT SORRY".
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To dsnowlion
These High Lamas would have known the truth about this "MONSTER". But do you really think them foolish enough to say anything publicly about the "MONSTER".
This "MONSTER" who could have your eyes gouged out our your tongue cut out of your mouth if you displeased him.
This "MONSTER" THAT CREATED PRAYERS TO INVOKE A MONGOLIAN WAR GOD TO SLAUGHTER HIS TIBETAN RIVALS.
This "MONSTER" that engaged in "HUMAN SACRIFICES" OF CAPTURED PRISONERS WHO WERE SAKYA MONKS.
This "MONSTER" who if this was 300 years ago would have YOU,ME and the other followers of Dorje Shugden become "HUMAN SACRIFICES" to his MONGOLIAN WAR GOD.
A CIA paid "MONSTER" who was the head of a CIA MERCENARY ARMY OF 2000 MEN.
This "MONSTER" who executed H.H. Demo Tulku by having his still alive body stuffed into a barrel, the lid placed on it and then poured water through a hole into it until he drowned.
This "MONSTER" who came into power backed by Gushri Khan and his Mongolian Army.
This "MONSTER" who overthrew the then leader of Tibet, His Holiness Sakya Trizin.
This "MONSTER" that DESTROYED the Jonangpa Sect.
Sorry dsnowlion but when it comes to your claims about this "MONSTER" being and enlightened being,"I DON'T BUY IT SORRY".
Very well played Harold, I agree. To be fair though, and my goodness this subject has been excessively discussed in this forum, there are two (probably more) specific views which give another spin on the Dalai Lama.
My personal view is that he appears to me to be a sentient being engaged in harmful and inappropriate actions that completely disqualify him as a valid teacher and Buddhist, so I train in love and compassion for this suffering sentient being because the negative karma he has created is very heavy. In fact, there is no heavier negative karma than abandoning and disparaging the Guru and his lineage. However, this leads me to the next point.
People who have taken him as a Guru, understanding the dangers of abandoning and disparaging their Guru, and therefore choose not to abandon or disparage the Dalai Lama because of this. They fight respectfully to lift the ban, but they do not disparage, and while I do respect this approach, because he has abandoned and disparaged his lineage and Gurus and continuously acts in contradiction to the Dharma, practically and conventionally speaking he has disqualified himself as a valid teacher and his students would be wise to distance themselves from receiving further teachings and instead seek teachings from teachers that show the aspect of being qualified by the conventions of both society in general and Buddhist society especially. Some can do this easily, but others, especially those deeply entrenched in his community whether in India or abroad such as international FPMT practitioners for instance, it is very complicated. But those who can should, but this doesn't mean they have to lose pure view, it is merely that it is possible to acknowledge the aspect being shown and to respond accordingly, so if a Lama is engaged in criminal behavior, they need to be held accountable. This is specifically speaking to his students who have a commitment to maintain pure view, and in fairness, it is important to respect their commitment to that.
Also, there are various teachings and things even within the Kangso sadhana itself that prove that:
1) Unless we are a Buddha, we do not know for certain who is and is not a Buddha
2) That Buddhas can appear or emanate anything
3) That we may in fact be the last sentient being, and the entire world and its inhabitants has been emanated for us to develop great compassion, without which we cannot become a Buddha.
To develop compassion for someone we conceive to be a Buddha is called 'wrong compassion', because a Buddha cannot suffer, otherwise many absurd consequences follow. So, in order to not have wrong compassion, although we have the understanding it could be an emanation, we drop this conception of them being an emanation and focus more acutely on the aspect that is appearing.
I am now speaking to those who do not conceive the Dalai Lama as a Buddha, who do not have a commitment to maintain pure view of their Guru, the Dalai Lama:
So what aspect is the Dalai Lama appearing as? Well, do I really even need to go into it? Just read Harold's list, think about Buddha Shakyamuni's teachings, then tell me whether or not these are the actions of a person following the Buddhist way of life or of a person qualified to be a Buddhist teacher. If you have abandoned your Guru and disparaged his lineage, it is a fact, according to the Lamrim, Sutras, Tantras, Dohas of the Mahasiddhas, and many commentaries, that such a person is not a suitable vessel to transmit lineage blessings.
So, what is the most appropriate response to this according to Dharma? Out of love and compassion, to take actions that accord with the basic laws of human and Buddhist society, call it for what it is, remove such a person from office, and subject them to the same criminal laws of justice that apply to us all.
For the person who regards him as a Buddha, it is not necessary to abandon pure view of your Guru nor does it follow that you have abandoned it if you were to take the same actions as the person above motivated by love and compassion. Rather than compassion for your Guru, while believing his actions are pure, you must relate to the conventional aspect he is showing which is teaching you the path of abandonment, and out of compassion for the sentient beings suffering as a result of such actions, take action to remove him from his position and subject him to the laws of society. Since you yourself believe he is a Buddha, you need not worry that incarceration will cause him suffering, right? He will experience nothing but uncontaminated great bliss regardless of what appears to us to be happening to him.
So, for those who regard him as a Buddha, understand that when people use the term 'monster' or 'evil dalie' or 'criminal', they are (ideally) out of compassion relating to the conventional appearances and calling it for what we all commonly understand to be criminal behavior that is not fitting for a Buddhist teacher. When I say he is not a valid teacher, it is because according to the conventional criteria of both common society and especially Buddhist society, he has disqualified himself. From the point of view of the 'aspect' being shown, he has shown the aspect of disqualification. If you disagree, it necessarily follows that you believe (one example is enough) a person who has abandoned their Gurus and disparaged their lineage is qualified to transmit the blessings of that very lineage. If you believe that, it also follows that you believe the qualifications of a teacher explained in the Lamrim and Tantras are not true or valid. Remember, we are talking about the 'aspect' being shown. Your pure view is a personal internal view, and keeping it is admirable, but it also makes you believe that he is still qualified. The problem there is yes, from the point of view of internally being a Buddha, of course a Buddha is qualified, but we are not talking about the internal qualifications of a Buddha, we are talking about the external behavior of the aspect that contradicts all the things that would qualify him as a valid teacher.
Since he is not qualified to represent the Three Precious Jewels either from the point of view of a person who has compassion for him as a sentient being, or the point of view of someone who sees him as a Buddha but whose aspect contradicts the required behavior of teachers, he should be removed from his position as a spiritual leader, and he should be held accountable for his actions regarding the ban and other atrocities.
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One thing's for sure is that HH Dalai Lama is out of Tibet and looks like there is not much hope of returning for good. Let's look at the state of affairs:
Chinese Foreign Ministry in their response to Reuters' in Dec 2015 has stated that the government of the Tibet Autonomous Region fully respect the rights of citizens to freedom of belief, and that "Whether to believe or not in the protecting deity 'Dorje Shugden' is totally a free and private matter for religious followers."
In January this year, Markham County (Chamdo) had officially issued a public notice out regarding crack down on "violation of law using the issue of Protector Dorje Shugden practice to create social conflict in the society' (see attached).
While monks are being expelled in exile for practising Dorje Shugden, monks and nuns are expelled and persecuted if they are devoted to HH Dalai Lama in Tibet.
In Lithang, a few days before HH Dalai Lama's birthday earlier this month, the local authorities had summoned a meeting in which they instructed the representatives from the monasteries to keep the celebration small and to make sure pictures or videos of the event does not get out.
According to Tibet Post International, in order to have enough participants for the recent Panchen Lama's teaching, the Chinese government made a decree stating that, every Tibetan family in Shigatse city must provide at least two participants for the Chinese Panchen's Kalachakra initiation (http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/tibet/5102-two-people-per-family-mandated-to-attend-fake-panchens-teaching (http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/news/tibet/5102-two-people-per-family-mandated-to-attend-fake-panchens-teaching))
HH Dalai Lama has brought much exposure and one of the main contributors of Tibetan Buddhism being widely known and accepted in the world today. HH continues to do that outside of Tibet and doing a fabulous job, latest news was that Lady Gaga was so impressed she has asked the Dalai Lama to officiate her wedding to Taylor Kinney.
Inside of Tibet, Lamas continue to promote Dorje Shugden, for example in the case of the 20th Denma Gonsar Rinpoche who has huge influence, Lama Jampa Ngodup Wangchuk Rinpoche a famous Shugden lama who was sent by the Chinese Government to give Dharma teachings in Switzerland and so on.
Whatever it is, whether HH Dalai Lama was helped out of Tibet or expel, it is clear to us that the results is the propogation and spread of Tibetan Buddhism and Dorje Shugden lineage simultaneously. Although the ban may seem an obstacles, but it is creating causes for Dorje Shugden to be 'used' by the Chinese and hence the Chinese will continue to promote and support Dorje Shugden practice and Dorje Shugden lamas.
What I can't wait to see is the day that Panchen Lama gives Dorje Shugden initiation, backed by the Chinese. 8) 8) 8) 8)
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To Vajraprotector
"What I can't wait to see is the day that Panchen Lama gives Dorje Shugden initiation, backed by the Chinese".
What I can't wait to see is the day that the Panchen Lama and the 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama together give the Dorje Shugden initiation, backed by the Chinese.
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To Vajraprotector
"What I can't wait to see is the day that Panchen Lama gives Dorje Shugden initiation, backed by the Chinese".
What I can't wait to see is the day that the Panchen Lama and the 15th Tibetan Dalai Lama together give the Dorje Shugden initiation, backed by the Chinese.
It is highly probable that the Panchen Lama will be teaching more and by that gain more disciples. And it is very likely that the Panchen Lama's disciples will also embrace Dorje Shugden as their Dharma protector, or at the very least, not oppose him.
In India, it is also very likely that more scholars will emerge from Shar Ganden and Serpom Monastery and carry Dorje Shugden's practice forward.
I the West, it is almost a guarantee that the NKT will continue to grow and spread the Shugden lineage. In addition, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and Rabten Rinpoche are certain to prolifically turn the wheel of Dharma and give many Dorje Shugden teachings.
In the meantime Tsem Tulku will have a stronger and stronger presences online and will make Dorje Shugden popular globally.
I am hopeful that the Shugden oppression days will soon be a thing of the past.
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Agreed with you, Vajratruth. During the recent Kalacakra initiation lead by the 11th Panchen Lama held on July 21 2016 for four days saw a huge turnout of more than 100000 people. This is the beginning of many more glorious dharma teachings by the Panchen Lama as he is being groomed to expound the Buddha's teachings to the whole world.
Certainly very glad to see Dorje Shugden's teachings emerging from so many places as mentioned by yourself, Vajratruth. Now that the oppression of the Shugdenpas has come to the attention of the world, I pray that very soon HHDL would lift the illegal ban on Shugden practice.
I have also included the link to the article on the recent Kalacakra initiation. Do read of this rejoicing event here:
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-11th-panchen-lamas-kalacakra-initiation-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-cta/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/the-11th-panchen-lamas-kalacakra-initiation-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-the-cta/)
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Im not really sure which story to believe here. Both are logical to me and both seem very possible after reading the explanations. I originally heard about the story where Dorje Shugden saved Dalai Lama. That was the only story Ive heard of and I thought that was all there was to it. But now after reading the second story about how Dorje Shugden could have actually banished the Dalai Lama from Tibet, Im thinking twice. I think im still unsure about which story I believe, Ill have to really sit down in silence and think about it.
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Interesting point of view. But I'd say probably not.
Why? Because we know very well that the DL and entourage were protected by supernatural forces during their journey to India.
Also, if DS did not 'expel' the Dalai Lama out of Tibet, we would not have this problem. There will be NO DORJE SHUGDEN BAN because the Dalai Lama would have met his end when the Potala Palace was bombarded by the Communist.
Tibetan Buddhism doesn't need to survive only with the Dalai Lama leaving Tibet. There is without a doubt that Tibetan Buddhism would leak out of Tibet during the war, with Tibetans running and settling in neighboring countries just as we see what's happening in Syria... they ain't got any Dalai Lama.
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It is indeed interesting to read another perspective as to the Dalai Lama leaving Tibet which has its logic and appeal as well. Matter of preference then as to which to accept and am inclined towards the help escape version. Especially since Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche already predicted that the Dalai Lama and Dorje Shugden would manifest conflict but they are actually working together to spread the Dharma. Any actions of by enlightened beings are always meant to benefit others and tend to believe that would be the focus of these two enlightened beings, Dorje Shugden and Dalai Lama.
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Hello Q
You stated that "Why? Because we know very well that the DL and entourage were protected by supernatural forces during their journey to India."
Would some of those "Supernatural forces" include the Tibetan CIA trained radio operator how travelled with the Dalai Lama on his escape from Tibet? Would that also include the CIA plane that flew overhead to help show the route for them in their escape?
Check youtube under the Dalai Lama and the CIA to see that story. The CIA help the 14th Dalai Lama to escape Tibet. One wonders if it was not in fact the CIA that shelled the Dalai Lama with mortars to help convince him in 1959 to escape and not as publicly claimed the Chinese.
This lame mortar attack in 1959 against the Dalai Lama does not make any sense. This was the People's Liberation Army's best planned attack? To fire one or two mortars and "hoped" they killed the DL. They had no back up plan like a full assault by their "crack troops" to follow up their initial attack and kill the DL. The People's Liberation Army that had conquered all of China by force and they came up with this absolutely stupid plan to kill him. The PLA were experts at killing their "political rivals" and for them to try a "single" attack that failed and then wait for days for the Dalai Lama to plan and execute his escape from Tibet is in my opinion "nonsense".
The CIA wanted the Dalai Lama out of Tibet to lead a resistance army to fight the Chinese's inside Tibet.
They needed him to "want" to escape and they would benefit by a "failed attempt on the DL's life".
The CIA were waiting for him in India and once he arrived they started their already pre planned operations. Using the Dalai Lama and his Tibetan 2000 man CIA trained mercenary army to do their dirty work for the next fifteen years. No "Americans" died fighting the Chinese's PLA only Tibetans. This was their plan and it worked perfectly.
So Q who were the real "supernatural forces", the CIA???