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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: WisdomBeing on November 01, 2014, 02:03:46 AM
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The well known Tibetologist and Buddhist from Columbia University, Robert Thurman, is asking the infamous Anonymous group to hack into Shugden practitioners accounts! Why would he do that? Isn't that illegal? Where is the honesty and integrity of Buddhists - especially such a close and loyal follower of HH the Dalai Lama? Do the ends justify the means? Obviously Machiavellianism is endorsed to protect the Dalai Lama at all costs. Is it so that they can publish another hit list to expose Shugden practitioners so that a lynch mob (real or virtual) can get at them? What is the purpose?
The International Shugden group who conduct the protests are pretty public... and their names have been on a hit list already. Even though they are protesting peacefully, which is allowed in a democratic society. But obviously, democratic peaceful protests are not allowed behind the scenes of the benevolent Buddhist. Dictatorship and very direct threats to personal safety are more the modus operandi.
Scary to think what else they would do.
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I agree with @wisdombeing that is not something a buddhist should be doing.
it seems like robert has taken down the tweet, but there is an interesting discussion here: http://arebuddhistsracist.com/robert_thurman_anonymous.html (http://arebuddhistsracist.com/robert_thurman_anonymous.html)
do read up a bit... if u read the article, there is an award of 50 bit coin, which is equivalent to about US $16,000 being offered to hack into the twittter account. This is not something to be taken lightly. It seems to me that Robert is getting too desperate and even wiling to use illegal methods.
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It is frightening to know about this. Why would a Buddhist especially one who is close to a spiritual guide, would do such illegal act and seriously invade the privacy of others? Do CTA and the anti-shugden people know there’s the law? Or they think that they are the king and can do whatever they can? Just because of differences in religious philosophy, who give them the right to harm others, both verbally and physically, and now even want to hack others account? Degeneration in Buddhism???!!! ….. :'(
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I agree with @wisdombeing that is not something a buddhist should be doing.
it seems like robert has taken down the tweet, but there is an interesting discussion here: [url]http://arebuddhistsracist.com/robert_thurman_anonymous.html[/url] ([url]http://arebuddhistsracist.com/robert_thurman_anonymous.html[/url])
do read up a bit... if u read the article, there is an award of 50 bit coin, which is equivalent to about US $16,000 being offered to hack into the twittter account. This is not something to be taken lightly. It seems to me that Robert is getting too desperate and even wiling to use illegal methods.
The ban on Dorje Shugden initiated by Dalai Lama had opened a can of worms! What kind of Buddhist scholar Robert Thurman has become whose mind thinks only of bringing harm to Dorje Shugden followers? The owner of Are Buddhists Racist.com had done a great job reporting Robert Thurman's crime to the relevant authorities and kindly provided detailed steps for others concerned to file a criminal report on Robert Thurman too.
Anonymous Group is capable of causing great harm to the Dorje Shugden movements worldwide especially to the Dorje Shugden-related websites! To seek out the assistance of Anonymous group means Robert Thurman is so very evil!
Robert Thurman's list of known spammers https://twitter.com/BobThurman/lists/known-spammers/members contains predominantly Dorje Shugden practitioners or organisations. It is clear Robert Thurman has the intention to cause harm to those in his known spammers list just like what Central Tibetan Administration had done to their hit list. Many pure and sincere Dorje Shugden practitioners in this list should be concerned, worried and be in full alert now for their own safety! We do not know what anti-Shugden people like Robert Thurman would do next! It is advisable for these twitter account holders to quickly report to the authorities about Robert Thurman!
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This is getting from bad to worse, it is becoming an excuse for pro Dalai Lama or CTA people have an license to kill using dirty methods to accuse peaceful Shugden practitioners who simply wanted to continue to pursue enlightenment peacefully is becoming a huge obstacle. By using this dirty methods to exposed the lamas and people who refused to bow down to the lie, whcih can cause harm to them by the Dalai Lama supporters. They don't even have to lift their fingers to do so and deny what will happen then.
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Robert Thurman as a so call Buddhist could request through online openly to hack into people account, not only is not Buddhist, in term of human right he have seriously offended the law.
Further, Robert is known to be the spoke person of Dalai Lama in the western world. The actions he did, not only have put Dalai Lama into risk whereby, Dalai Lama as a Noble prize winner could do something like this to violate the human rights.
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This is getting out of hand. As a professor in Buddhism his words and action have great impacts on others. It is sad to see Robert Thurman to use such method to go against Shugden practitioners. I don't think Robert Thurman is concerned with any harm he will cause by soliciting the help of this Anonymous group since he is going at this extend to attack the Shugden practitioners.
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This is shocking news! THE supposedly Buddhist scholar is publicly asking a group to hack into Shugden practitioners social media accounts? Isn't he supposed to be close follower of the Dalai Lama, someone in the Dalai lama's camp??? Imagine what else they do secretly. I will not be surprised if CTA used him as a scape goat to make such an announcement or is he actually so ignorant and not know that hacking is illegal and carries a possible sanction of imprisonment? Even if you put law aside, where is integrity and respect? I mean, is this the same Robert Thurman we are referring to here?!?!?
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Hacking is a type of computer crime. Doesn't Robert Thurman know about this? Furthermore, Robert Thurman is a Buddhist, he should know that any bad intention will result in bad karma. As a Professor for Buddhist Studies and leading American spokesman for Tibetan Buddhism, where is your integrity? Someone like Robert still qualify to teach Buddhism? I doubt it. Please stop committing crime and use your knowledge to benefit others.
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Hacking into any account is unacceptable anywhere anytime, not just within Buddhist community. But, I think I know why he is doing it - out of pure Guru devotion. He is so devoted that he will do anything to further his Guru's cause. Now, if only H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama can show an ounce of Robert Thurman's devotion, the world would be a much more peaceful place!
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Robert Thurman is dangerous. As a result of his wrong doings there are protests against the Dalai Lama and Robert Thurman. Boston, U.S.A Oct 31st 2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM9tRVHjHT0#t=17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM9tRVHjHT0#t=17)
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I find this hilarious, don't you? Robert Thurman stoops so very low.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1bl99JCYAEFKTG.jpg)
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I found some quotes by the Dalai Lama XIV on the website:
"I defeat my enemys when I make them my friends."
"The enemy is the necessary condition for practicing patience."
"Your enemies are your best spiritual teacher."
If the above are quotes by Dalai Lama, isn't the title of the book contradict Dalai Lama's quotes? If we want to make friend with our enemy, we don't hack our enemy nor our friend, right? If enemy help us in practicing patience, we should love our enemy, cos without them, we won't be able to practice. As for Spiritual teacher, we should respect and love our teacher. We don't hack our teacher, how very rude, disrespect and worst thing that one would hack your teacher. Dalai Lama has provided foreward for the book, this means DL agree with Robert Thurman on hacking our enemies. Very confusing, which should be the one to follow?
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Have a good understanding of Robert Thurman:
"Four Reasons To Doubt Robert Thurman"
https://www.dalailamanews.com/four-reasons-to-doubt-robert-thurman/ (https://www.dalailamanews.com/four-reasons-to-doubt-robert-thurman/)
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Have a good understanding of Robert Thurman:
"Four Reasons To Doubt Robert Thurman"
https://www.dalailamanews.com/four-reasons-to-doubt-robert-thurman/ (https://www.dalailamanews.com/four-reasons-to-doubt-robert-thurman/)
Hi Icy
Sorry but I couldn't get through to the link.. is there an error?
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Wisdom Being, looks like it has been taken down for whatever reason there is...so very quickly.
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The 14th Dalai Lama is also known to be the emanation of the compassion Buddha. Having the followers that doing such will not give a credit to the Dalai Lama and we don’t have to mention Robert Thurman.
Obviously the Dalai Lama followers in India or in other country are acting the same way which using the non-Buddhist ethic and criminal ways to hurt the Lord Shugden practitioners. Revealing the list of the Lord Shugden supporters is not something new from the pro Dalai Lama and CTA which intentionally to harm them. This time from Robert Thurman from the west, it’s really showing how desperate the Dalai Lama followers want to harm the pro Lord Shugden people instead of finding a peace way to solve the issue.
It’s really sad and whatever Dalai Lama has been preaching and going around the country to spread his peace talk doesn’t really make prove that it is practical looking from his follower’s attitude and action. How can Dalai Lama continue to tell people peace is own followers and government doesn’t not act like one?
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This is getting way too much! First it was the Dalai Lama followers and the CTA that created so much violence, hatred, death threats, killings and ostracizing Dorje Shugden's practitioners and now a so called professor of Buddhism is asking a group of people to hack into the Dorje Shugden's practitioners accounts. This is violating human rights and very unethical! The Dalai Lama followers are doing dangerous things towards the DS practitioners and it is contradictory to what the Dalai Lama taught and preached! What happened to tolerance, compassion, peace and harmony???
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This is not something should be done by an educated person in a civilized society, by hacking the website of you against with. In Buddhist history, we "fight" by debating politely with good words with the person/something we do not agree with. Asking another person to do illegal actions is the same by doing yourself, and the karma is even heavier and bad by get another person involved to commit the sin/negative act together.
Please make one "submit" to you by logic and reasons but not illegal or uncivilized approach, I hope Robert Thurman as a famous scholar could do the same.
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The Anonymous Groups has in the past done a lot of hacking, and they usually side those injustice is being done to. Dorje Shugden people at best we are reacting to the policies or the CTA and Dalai Lama. Hope the Anonymous would hack the CTA and uncover their nefarious plans.
I am not particularly shocked by Bob Thurman to asking for such a hacking, perhaps he should start a group on facebook 'We are the ones who missed out on Dorje Shugden sogtae' For a reknown academic it does not seem he did a lot of study and analysis into the Dorje Shugden issue. To even suggest any form of hacking creates a most negative precedent.
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Robert Thurman in publicly asking for another party to hack into accounts of Shugden groups is bringing more disgrace to himself and his spiritual teacher. Hacking into accounts of others is equivalent to breaking into premises and ransacking. This is not acceptable whether one is Buddhist or an atheist. If he can make public such an act, I am just wondering what other malicious intents and moves that this Buddhist scholar does secretly.
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Those who hack into another person's computer could be punished by a number of different crimes, depending on the circumstances. The law punishes hacking under the computer crime statutes. Hacking on someone’s account is also similar to invading someone’s privacy. As a Buddhist, Robert Thurman should be fully aware of the cause and effect of his actions and further, he has deliberately exploit others in committing such crime. If Robert Thuman holds strong samaya with his Guru, why should he get those innocents involved ? Please pull the plug!
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One of my FB friends, Danny Short, shared several posts from www.arebuddhistsracist.com/lamagate.html (http://www.arebuddhistsracist.com/lamagate.html) pertaining to Robert Thurman's posts, but the owner took down those posts for unknown reasons.