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Title: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: icy on September 07, 2014, 11:55:04 PM

Watch this, Dalai Lama's followers are a violent bunch.  Dalai Lama is the cause of this disharmony, problems, unhappiness by instituting a ban on Dorje Shugden.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbWGbHATA5k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbWGbHATA5k)
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: jamyang_sonam on September 08, 2014, 03:58:15 PM
the act of barbarians, Dalai Lama followers are Hypocrite who hides their ugly side by using Buddhism as a shield. Going to empowerment and teaching by HHDL, but behave like unruly gangster, they are shaming the Buddhist and Buddhism as a whole!!! CTA is this how you teach you people? what a disgrace to the Buddhist society!!!
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Blueupali on September 08, 2014, 04:53:31 PM
The Dalai Lama's followers make the Dalai Lama always look worse and worse; I experience them as Dharma thugs
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Freyr Aesiragnorak on September 10, 2014, 03:34:20 AM
Shameful acts by so called "Buddhists", which obviously they are not. Buddhism does not encourage this sort of fanatical behavior, in fact this is not considered appropriate behaviour. I do not understand or get my head around the fact that these people can do this when they are attending teachings by HH Dalai Lama! These people not only give Tibetans a bad reputation but portray an image that contradicts the Buddha's teachings.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: kelly on September 25, 2014, 08:20:46 AM
Is such shameful incident to the world of religious , I suppose the religious people should be very calm and kind to each others how can we create this kind of disharmony we as a practitioner must help to lift the ban if not there will affect the spread of DS practice.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: sandra on September 26, 2014, 08:41:20 AM
I don't know how the Dalai Lama followers think of this statement when they see it. I think not are the followers are violent but maybe some of them are very extreme. This group of people really need to think over it that why they want to be Buddhism practitioners. I suppose the quality of Buddha is compassion and equanimity to all sentient being even they are enemies. How can they act violent towards others. This is really does not make sense.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Tenzin Malgyur on September 28, 2014, 10:27:52 AM
These people in the video are so violent and uncivilized. And to think that they are shamelessly committing these act in another country. I am feeling very bad for His Holiness Dalai Lama and the CTA. Looks like all their hard work of promoting peace and harmony have gone down the drain with the rest of the dung. Just wondering how the CTA can go on crying to the whole world that the Chinese government are torturing them. Well, with these kind of attitude that they were displaying, I am not surprised at all. In case you did not notice, the action of the lady flapping her apron at the peaceful protestors is considered a very bad gesture for Tibetans.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: angelica on September 28, 2014, 04:14:01 PM
In 1989, The 14th Dalai Lama from Tibet won the Nobel Prize in Peace "for his efforts in the struggle of the liberation of Tibet and the efforts for a peaceful resolution instead of using violence.".  But the act of DalaiLama students/followers that are so violent is really shameful for Dalai Lama, the Nobel Prize winner for peace.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: fruven on September 28, 2014, 09:31:28 PM
Shameful acts by so called "Buddhists", which obviously they are not. Buddhism does not encourage this sort of fanatical behavior, in fact this is not considered appropriate behaviour. I do not understand or get my head around the fact that these people can do this when they are attending teachings by HH Dalai Lama! These people not only give Tibetans a bad reputation but portray an image that contradicts the Buddha's teachings.

I agreed. This no longer affects only the Gelug lineage. The violent and inappropriate behaviour of these people who attended the teachings tarnish the Buddhist teachings as a whole. Any Buddhists practitioners should speak against such acts.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: kris on October 04, 2014, 09:02:22 AM
It is sad to see that the police needed to be rough towards the Tibetans who are pro-Dalai Lama. It can cause bruises and can be painful. As Buddhist, we don't want to see anyone suffer. However, the police need to resort to force not because the police are against pro-Dalai Lama, but because the pro-Dalai Lama Tibetans are rather violent. Look at the way they wanted to go to the other side, and throwing items, it is clear to see that they want to provoke the Dorje Shugden practitioners.

To me, it is quite clear that the pro-Dalai Lama Tibetans do not understand the meaning of protests. Protests or demonstrations are basic human rights in the western countries, and it is a way of expression to voice what you stand for. At times, I really pity the pro-Dalai Lama Tibetans because I am quite sure they don't understand the meaning of protests, and they are being manipulated to be violent towards someone who have a different view from you. Do they really expect EVERYONE in the world to love HH Dalai Lama? As a public figure, there will be people who like Him, and of course there will be people who do not like Him. For people who do not like Him, don't they have rights to show their dissatisfaction?

I must say CTA has done a good job in making their people uneducated and naive so that the people can be manipulated easily. I do pray the new generation of Tibetans can think on their own and act based on logic.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: maricisun on October 04, 2014, 03:12:21 PM
Dalai Lama's followers are violent and it made the Dalai Lama look bad. If they are true practitioners then they must understand that Buddhism teaches us to be compassionate and not to harm others. What a shame too.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on May 25, 2015, 03:09:12 PM
What I have observed is that the pro Dalai Lama group are typically Tibetans and they behaved in a very rude and rough manner.

Does the Dalai Lama approve???
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: James Bond on July 16, 2015, 12:29:40 PM
Personally, i do not think that the Dalai Lama is responsible for his students actions. I think that the Dalai Lama would never want to harm others in this way, but the same cannot be the same for the students and followers.

Students and followers of the Dalai Lama have their own opinions and thoughts on the ban, and they will act in whichever way they choose to, whether the Dalai Lama agrees with it or not. So therefore, i wouldn't blame the Dalai Lama, i would blame the negative thought and actions of his followers and students for the violence caused.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on July 21, 2015, 04:28:13 AM
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Personally, i do not think that the Dalai Lama is responsible for his students actions.

Then, according to you, the intellectual author of a crime would not be responsible for the actions of the material author of the same crime. He would be innocent.

The evil dalie, having conceived the ban and given the command to implement it, is the intellectual author of a crime against humanity, and his minions or students, having followed his command, are the material authors.

Make no mistake, you are dealing with gangsters, with hardened criminals, and with brainwashed, fanaticized accomplices, which you call “students”.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: fruven on July 21, 2015, 12:14:23 PM
If people choose to act violently to harm others during protests, not respecting and following the rules accorded with protest on the street then one must ask more. Are they genuinely following the teachings or they are above the teachings because this is how the feel? Feelings override teachings? We can see with our own eyes on recent ongoing protests around the Western countries.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on July 21, 2015, 01:45:44 PM
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If people choose to act violently to harm others during protests,

Not “people” in general, but fanaticized minions of the evil dalie.

Indeed, there is no record of violence from the side of Shugdenpas.

It is not putting on the same level perpetrators and their victims, thus showing one's accomplicity with the perpetrators, that one is going to achieve a Buddhist equanimity. At best one will achieve a gangster's equanimity.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on July 21, 2015, 03:32:18 PM
Personally, i do not think that the Dalai Lama is responsible for his students actions. I think that the Dalai Lama would never want to harm others in this way, but the same cannot be the same for the students and followers.

Students and followers of the Dalai Lama have their own opinions and thoughts on the ban, and they will act in whichever way they choose to, whether the Dalai Lama agrees with it or not. So therefore, i wouldn't blame the Dalai Lama, i would blame the negative thought and actions of his followers and students for the violence caused.

Dear James Bond,

The actions and results of any group is the reflection of the Leader.  A great leader will have his followers prosper and progress in a positive manner.

In Tibetan Buddhism, the first refuge is Namo Guru Beh, therefore it is not possible that the Dalai Lama is not able to convince his followers not to be so rude and conduct themselves in a manner befitting of the most well know monk in the world. Please consider this view point.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on July 21, 2015, 10:23:11 PM
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it is not possible that the Dalai Lama is not able to convince his followers not to be so rude

Of course the evil dalie would be able to convince his followers not to be so rude. The point is, he does not want to. And why? Because he is himself a morbid sociopath and a callous adept of violence.

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and conduct themselves in a manner befitting of the most well know monk in the world.

The evil dalie minion's do already conduct themselves in a manner fully beffitting the evil dalie, that is, in a violent manner.

If the evil dalie's minions would behave in a civilized, peaceful manner, it would be completely unbefitting the most well known terrorist dressed as monk in the world.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on July 22, 2015, 09:09:13 AM
Dear MatiBhadra,

Your comments are caustic and I do find the humour to laugh.  For the sake of comparison, if you continue to write this way of the Dalai Lama and his follows, are you being violent even though you may have points of great validity.

I would love to read the results of your analysis in a style that is more Buddhist.  Please do not think that I am being critical but rather want your analytical comments being very acceptable to all.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on July 23, 2015, 01:04:46 PM
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if you continue to write this way of the Dalai Lama and his follows, are you being violent

Merely denouncing violence is never itself a case of violence.

The fact that you try to put on the same level violence and denouncing violence shows that you are yourself an adept of violence, and that your goal is to protect violence.

This explains why you systematically try to justify the authority of your violent idol, the evil dalie, whom you subserviently deify as “Chenrezig”.

In authoritarian countries, merely denouncing the crimes of those in power is considered a crime and an act of violence. This is your frame of mind. You would have a guaranteed job in the evil dalie's political police.

Therefore, before trying to see faults in others, look at yourself, at your own violence, at your own accomplicity with brutal criminals, and teach yourself to be a Buddhist, if you want to be a Buddhist anyway.

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I would love to read the results of your analysis in a style that is more Buddhist.

The result of my analysis is that you are a non-Buddhist supporter of violence hypocritically parroting about “Buddhism” and ”non-violence” just in order to cover and protect your non-Buddhist violent idol, the evil dalie, whom you subserviently deify as “Chenrezig”.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: grandmapele on July 31, 2015, 03:44:48 AM
This is also a teaching to us to be more mindful. By being what they are ( they may just have the karma to do that) does not mean that we have to judge them negatively and create negativity ourselves. Or, we can not judge, but feel sorry that they behave that way and say a prayer for them even if they may not want it. OK, so I'll not say a Dorje Shugden prayer for them but I'll chant Migtsema for them. That way, at least I save myself and further my own practice. Selfish, maybe but that's just my 5-cents worth.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Joo Won on July 31, 2015, 02:51:26 PM
As a follower of certain faith one should live up to the teachings not act against the teachings. If not we only tarnish or bring shame to our religion or our Guru; even worst affect non-Buddhists' view on Buddhist, Buddhism and the teachings.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: kris on August 01, 2015, 04:56:35 AM
It has been almost one year since I last left my comment about this matter, but it does not look like the behavior of the many followers of HH Dalai Lama has improved. Just a few months ago, the followers threw bottles, show middle finger as well as woman flapping aprons right outside the hall where HH Dalai was giving teachings. To me, the people are violent because the government (CTA) itself is violent. The way CTA published a hit list is very barbaric.

I won't blame the citizens for being violent. I blame the CTA.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Shugdener on August 02, 2015, 03:12:24 PM
It is really sad to see that the Dalai Lama's followers are so rude and hostile to people whom they don't share the same views with.

It must be embarrassing for the Dalai Lama to see his followers behave in such a manner, the students of any Lama represents the Lama whom they respect... if they behave in such a manner, it shows that they are not really learning the Dharma but simply using it as a wall/shield to protect themselves against other people being rude to them.

But then again, if the CTA did not impose this ban, there would be no hate between Dalai Lama followers and Dorje Shugden practitioners.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: grandmapele on August 03, 2015, 05:37:07 AM
Many of us are under the control of our worst poison which is anger. Anger blinds us to the right path. Basic Buddhist practice of patience, kindness and acceptance is totally missing. May the senior students/disciples of the Dalai Lama help these followers. Om Mani Pedme Hum
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: eyesoftara on August 03, 2015, 09:08:41 AM
When one have the seed of anger and rudeness almost at the surface of one's being, it doesn't take a lot for it to come to the surface. One little sparks based on the ego is all it takes and we have the violences that seems to be instigated by the Dalai Lama. I know of His Holiness's followers, who have never been rude to others and while follow what the Dalai Lama said on the Protector practice, secretly respect Shugden practitioners.

This is what Buddhism is all about. Your "enemy" is within. No one other that your self is your enemy.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Jason Statham on August 14, 2015, 05:28:53 PM
Dalai Lama is definitely not a bad person but why is it that so many of his disciples are acting in these kinds of behaviors? If we really are the sole called Demon practitioners, then why aren't we going around, harming and killing people? The answer is that we are not demon practitioners and Dorje Shugden is not a Demon nor an Evil Spirit. Just because they do not like us Shugden practitioners, doesn't give them a good reason to use violence, vulgar words and point fingers at us. And all we the Shugden practitioners do is just kept on saying 'Dalai Lama, Stop Lying' and have protests, that's all. We don't force people to be Shugden practitioners neither do we harm people who despise or hate Dorje Shugden. We the Shugden practitioners are just simply telling Dalai Lama to stop lying and lift the ban so that we are able to practice Dorje Shugden without any disturbances. Is this too much to ask for?
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on August 20, 2015, 02:44:30 AM
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May the senior students/disciples of the Dalai Lama help these followers.

First they would need to help themselves, leaving the dark shadow of their terrorist cult leader.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: grandmapele on August 21, 2015, 04:20:37 AM

"First they would need to help themselves, leaving the dark shadow of their terrorist cult leader."

That will be a tough one. That is tantamount to asking them to break samaya with their Guru. My appeal is for them to use their wisdom and not continue with their benighted ignorance.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on August 21, 2015, 12:09:15 PM
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First they would need to help themselves, leaving the dark shadow of their terrorist cult leader.

That will be a tough one.

There is nothing specially “tough” in giving up a non-Buddhist “guru”, such as the evil dalie. It is just the normal process of giving up a mundane, deluded “teacher”, and going for refuge to the Three Jewels.

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That is tantamount to asking them to break samaya with their Guru.

Breaking any existent “samaya” with mundane, deluded “gurus”, such as the evil dalie, is part of going for refuge to the Three Jewels.

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My appeal is for them to use their wisdom and not continue with their benighted ignorance.

Part of which is to break their samayas with mundane, deluded “teachers” such as the evil dalie.

Then they will become Buddhists, capable of helping themselves, and eventually even others.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Pema8 on August 21, 2015, 11:12:23 PM
Unfortunately I have to agree that the Dalai Lama's followers show very bad manners and are violent. They don't apply his teachings but also the Dalai Lama doesn't show a Buddhist behavior when it comes to Dorje Shugden practitioners.
Degeneration will grow more and more if we don't watch ourselves carefully on every subject in our life. I believe this is what the Dalai Lama is showing us. Watch yoursellf and how you act. You cannot depend on others even the Dalai Lama. Hopefully the remedy will soon be applied and the Ban comes down.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on August 23, 2015, 08:10:04 PM
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[...] but also the Dalai Lama doesn't show a Buddhist behavior when it comes to Dorje Shugden practitioners.

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Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on August 23, 2015, 08:19:20 PM
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[...] but also the Dalai Lama doesn't show a Buddhist behavior when it comes to Dorje Shugden practitioners.

When it comes to Dorje Shugden practitioners, to respecting his root gurus, to destroying the Gelugpa tradition, to firce people to break their Buddhist commitments, to creating schism withing the Sangha, to create rifts with Tibetan society, to support gruesome self-immolations, to encourage bloody racist riots, to support Muslim Islamic State terrorists against Buddhists in Myanmar and Sri Lanka, to support US genocidal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to what not.

The Dorje Shugden issue is just a one part of the evil dalie's evil agenda as a puppet under the service of his puppet master, the international financial terrorist George Soros.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Rinchen on September 02, 2015, 12:15:03 AM
Is it truly necessary that the Tibetans are facing another fellow Tibetan in such rude ways?

When even the Tibetans they themselves are not able to take care of their own people, yet disgracing them in ways that are not necessary. How would that be possible for them to get back their own land?

If the Tibetans are not able to become one as a whole, what makes them think that China will trust them enough to return them their land? It is impossible as there are too many politics going on that will help to make their society grow. With China returning them their lad with such authorities, the way that they will be managed will not do any benefits to the Tibetans at all. It will only be bringing more fear to them.
Title: Re: Dalai Lama's followers are Violent
Post by: Matibhadra on August 23, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
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Is it truly necessary that the Tibetans are facing another fellow Tibetan in such rude ways?

Tibetans have for centuries faced fellow Tibetans in such rude ways. Until Tibet's peaceful liberation with the the brotherly help of China, 95% of Tibetans were slaves or serfs of cruel landlords, both lay and monastic.

Torturing, maiming, plucking out the eyes, and skinning alive both political enemies and ordinary people were commonplace in Tibet until its peaceful liberation, including in front of and with the perverse approval of the evil 13th dalie.

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When even the Tibetans they themselves are not able to take care of their own people, yet disgracing them in ways that are not necessary.

What then is necessary? To cover the crimes of the evil gangsters who took possession of Tibet for centuries?

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How would that be possible for them to get back their own land?

To start with, Tibet is not the “own land” of a bunch of slave-owners sold to Western neocolonialist interests. It is the own land of Tibetans, who already happily, peacefully, and prosperously live in free Tibet within greater China. 

Now, you may ask, how would be possible for the disgruntled Tibetan landlords and slave owners to get back their old misappropriated land? Only through covering their own past and present crimes, even affecting surprise with a newly found “rudeness” among Tibetans.

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If the Tibetans are not able to become one as a whole, what makes them think that China will trust them enough to return them their land?

Except for some mythological past, Tibetans have never been “one as a whole”, which is why whatever is called “Tibet” has not been an independent entity for many centuries, under the total or partial control of Mongols, Manchus, Han Chinese, Sikhs, Muslims rulers, British colonizers, modern-day India and whatnot  -- and, depending on the 13th and 14th evil dalies and the gangsters, it would be right now just one more Third World Jewish-Western owned colony.

Just compare with tiny, mountainous Switzerland, which has been able to maintains its independence for centuries while surrounded by powerful entities such as the Austrian Habsburg Empire, France, Germany and its predecessor, and right now the European Union unsuccessfully trying to the tiny brave country.

Of course there are many reasons behind this difference, but one of them is surely the unity shown by Swiss people despite their religious differences (Catholics versus Protestants), to the point of completely putting beside such differences when under external threat -- a phenomenon unfortunately unseen among Tibetan people along its history.

What is seen is among Tibetans rather the opposite: religious differences are enhanced by maniacal leaders such as the evil dalie, as in the case of Dorje Shugden, pitting Tibetan against Tibetan, in order to promote the divisive agenda of his Jewish-Western puppet-masters. And of course, the Nyingma-oriented, political-sectarian movement self-labelled “rimey” which, under its pseudo-ecumenical cloak, mainly aims at demonizing and ostracizing Gelugpas, and specially non-compliant Gelugpas such as Shugdenpas, from Tibetan religious and civil life.