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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: vajratruth on May 21, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
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In a shocking but not all together surprising move, the CTA has published a witch-hunting list of Dorje Shugden practitioners. The only conceivable purpose is to put these people in harm's way - the CTA is known to incite Tibetan peoples' hatred and channel that hatred towards those they regard as enemies. This list essentially calls on the Tibetan who regard themselves as 'loyal' to the Dalai Lama to take action against the named people.
Why would a fair and supposedly democratic government publish the identity of people exercising their right to free speech even as the Dalai Lama has taken away their right to practice their religion? This is yet another proof of the CTA's persecution and Gestapo-like ways of silencing the Tibetan people. If the countries e.g. USA where real democracy is practised allows the peaceful protest against the Dalai Lama (for his illegal religious ban, lying to the public/deceiving the world public amongst other crimes), why should the CTA be any different if indeed it values freedom and democracy?
The CTA is more oppressive than the Chinese clearly.
Strangely, Thierry Dodin, a member in the Dalai Lama's propaganda camp objects to the the list being made public, not because it harms these innocent Shugden worshippers asking to exercise their rights, but because such a move does not fit in well with what is clearly a well-organized campaign [last week] to discredit the deity.
Dodin commented on his Facebook:
"Congratulation. This kind of 'terrorist lists' with comments denigrating the guys as immoral elements (even where true) is exactly what the Chinese would have done.
This piece of diplomatic imbecility leaves me speechless…
It will now be shown around by the Shugden-pa and the Chinese authorities as a proof that CTA is distributing 'wanted'-lists and inviting pogroms.
This destroys all successful efforts of the last weeks to counter Shugden propaganda with serious information. This is a great victory for HHDL's enemies.
Well done, guys, well done".
So much skullduggery against monks and lay people who just want to practice their belief peacefully.
List published by CTA:
List of Dolgyal protestors
As per reliable information received on 20 May 2014, below is a list of Tibetans linked to Dolgyal (Shugden) organisation who took part in protests against His Holiness the Dalai Lama during his visit to the US and Europe in 2014.
1. Kyungpo Lobsang Dorje
President of the Dolgyal organisation’s so-called North American Gelug Buddhist Association (USA). He took part in the protests in US in 2008, Australia in 2013 and US, Oslo and Holland in 2014.
2. Lithang Napo Gyatso
He belongs to Sermey Pomra monastery. He is one of the main leaders of the North American Gelug Buddhist Association (USA). He maintains strong links with the Chinese embassy in US and regularly visits Tibet and China. He is one of protesters in US in 2008 and 2014 respectively.
3. Dapa Dechen Trulku alias Thubten Lungrig
He is one of main leaders of the US-based Dolgyal organisation and moderator of Mangtroe Khada. He has close relations with the Chinese embassy in America. He visited China and Tibet in 2013. He took part in the protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama during the latter’s visit to the US in 2014.
4. Lithang Athar Tsering
He is a disrobed monk of Sermey Pomra monastery. He earlier served advisor for the Dolgyal organisation in Nepal and its secretary in the US. He was the ringleader of the protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in the US in 2008. He maintains close relations with the Chinese embassy in US and frequently visit Tibet and China. He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in the US in 2014.
5. Dabpa Lobsang Tenzin
He is a disrobed monk of Sermey Pomra monastery. He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in the US 2008, Australia in 2013 and the US in 2014.
6. Tsering alias Tsering Polo
He is a monk of Gaden Shartse monastery. He is currently living in Switzerland. He took part in protests against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in France in 2008 and Holland in 2014.
7. Jangchup Gyaltsen
He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Germany and France in 2008 and Holland in 2014
8. Palden
He is the s0-called head of Bylakuppe Serpom monastery. He took part in protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in Holland in 2014
9. Chatreng Lobsang Nyima
He is living in France. He protest against His Holiness the Dalai Lama in France in 2008 and Holland in 2014
10. Sonam Gyaltsen
He is among the protesters in US in 2008 and Oslo, Norway in 2014
11. Chatrengwa Yangdhar Trulku
Ex monk of Sermey Pomra monastery. One of the protestors in US in 2014
12. Dzawa Trulku alias Lobsang Dorje Tenzin Yarphel Rinpoche alias Chatreng Trulku
He is a member of Jangchub Choeling Dharma Centre in Canada. He is among the protesters in the US in 2008 and Oslo and Holland in 2014
More: http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/list-of-dolgyal-protestors/ (http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/list-of-dolgyal-protestors/)
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Tibetans should realise it is not the Chinese who is oppressing their religious rights. Their enemy is from within. Rightly so we should save these Tibetans from being witch hunted.
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Shame on the Central Tibetan Administration. CTA targets women in their witch hunting.
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Is this the ongoing "Talibanisation" of the CTA? Butt out from religious affairs CTA! Back down on the "ban"!
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Here is one of the Dalai Lama's representatives taking photographs of Tibetan protesters outside the Chateau Neuf in Oslo. These and other photographs have now appeared on the Tibetan Government's website as part of their 'name and shame' campaign to suppress free speech. These are not the actions of a democratic society.
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Here is an updated list published by CTA in witch hunting Shugden protestors:
http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/ (http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/)
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The International Shugden Community published the following:
Dalai Lama incites violence against Tibetan Shugden practitioners
Posted on May 22, 2014
On May 21 the following appeared on the official website of the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA)
This information provided by the Dalai Lama is clearly an incitement to commit acts of violence against these twenty Tibetans.
We would like to publicly state that if any harm comes to any of these people the Dalai Lama will be held personally responsible.
The Dalai Lama has caused this kind of harm many times in the past, but this time the world is watching!
http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/ (http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140521090245/http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/list-of-dolgyal-protestors/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20140521090245/http://tibet.net/dolgyal-shugden/list-of-dolgyal-protestors/)
UPDATE: They have reposted an updated list on their english website. http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/ (http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/)
The Tibetan version is still live on their website.
http://bod.asia (http://bod.asia)
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http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/ (http://tibet.net/2014/05/22/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe/)
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I think the CTA leaders are still living in the 1950s and assume people can be easily fooled by what the government or HH Dalai Lama said without logic thinking. Or they have so much power that they become so arrogant and can practically do whatever they want. But hey, don't forget you are fighting for freedom, but at the same time you are suppressing freedom from your own people!
It is indeed very bad that the CTA even publish the address of one of the protestors, and I agree with the author this will only incite violence against her and her family. What I don't understand is that why is HH Dalai Lama's government students are so hateful and revengeful. Didn't HH Dalai Lama teach us all to be kind and compassion? Based on the actions by CTA which shows arrogance, violence, selfishness and rudeness, it shows the Dharma taught by HH Dalai Lama is not being applied by the CTA at all. If I am new to Buddhism and look at the actions of the HH Dalai Lama's students, I will run away like hell.
CTA, please stop blaming the Dorje Shugden practitioners about the peaceful protests. Do you know why there are peaceful protests? That's because CTA and HH Dalai Lama ignore the request for a dialogue on this matter. Ironically, HH Dalai Lama urge people to have dialogues between religions to reduce frictions.
CTA, if anything happened to the people in the list, YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE because you incited violence against them. And what kind of Buddhists are you that incite violence against others? I think you are indeed the Taliban of the Buddhism, sad to say.
For the people who volunteer and help in CTA to "counter" Dorje Shugden practitioners, please be rational and think. All we want is freedom to practice. Isn't that what CTA wants as well? Why have double standards? Why fight for freedom and suppress freedoms of others? Why do you donate your money and efforts to such arrogant and selfish organisation??
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This hunt list really shows that those people are open target to be harm by the Tibetan government and the Dalai Lama supporters. Instead of having a dialogue with them to resolve the ban issue now is kind of like assassinating time!
The Tibetan government is just waiting to get those people on the list but they are so stupid by releasing the information and if those people really being harm people can see that it’s from the CTA since they are the one showing people and also from the track experience being violent and vulgar!
CTA should stop hurting their own people! If there really pure dharma practitioners of the Dalai Lama pls act more dharmic instead of violent because how you act is the reflection of your Guru teaching. I don't think the Dalai Lama will instruct to harm people.
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CTA is ruthless, undemocratic and coward! Instead of protecting the very Tibetans whom it is supposed to, CTA is endangering the lives of these peaceful Tibetans who care to speak up for the religious freedom of and the injustice done to the Dorje Shugden followers. No other nations would want to be associated with a government who used such a despicable tactic! CTA is a disgrace to all the Tibetans.
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This is too much. Where is the proof of them by practicing Dorje Shugden is directly shorten the life of HHTDL? With respect how can an evil spirit can have an impact on a Buddha? This is just not logic. And with this CTA list of Dorje Shugden practitioners claiming them to be a bunch of witch by practicing and holding what they believe in which is a teaching passed down by their gurus and not any other gurus they are Pabongkha Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche.
So does it mean 3 of them are witches as well? Let's not forget that Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche was a tutor to the Dalai Lama...
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Alas! We have heard... or rather I have heard about this infamous list but now, we can read it in English. I am sure the Tibetan version is more extensive. I read that they put this out in Tibetan in public places within the Tibetan community. Imagine that! And you know how backwards some of the Tibetans can be and such a list only serve to incite severe discrimination, violence and so forth. May the ban come down now! No other country would do this to their own people.
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OMG!! This is crazy!
Previously I have heard about CTA showing the list of the Shugden practitioners to the Tibetan committee or pasting the pictures of the Shugden practitioner. This has causing the anti-Shudgen followers to harm and disturbed the Shugden practitioners and their family. (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=4837.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=4837.0) )
Videos from Tibetan Public Talk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78o-1s9hDos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78o-1s9hDos)
Now I can see it with my own eyes the list in English and published openly on the website!
This is a solid prove! Are you going to deny again CTA? You are worse than what you have claimed on the Chinese Government! If you are doing this, how would you able to unite your people and take care of all the Tibetan??
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Well the list is publicly out in the World Wide Web for the whole world to perceive. Even though there is no intent stated on publishing the list, it is so apparent that it serves to incite more hate into the simple minds of those who blindly act according to the words of the CTA. If the CTA is accusing the Chinese Government of oppressing the Tibetans in Tibet, it is very clear that the CTA is doing a better job at tormenting their nations elsewhere. If all this goes on, I fear they have not only lost their country, but in the process of wiping out the whole lineage of Tibetan Buddhism.
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Witch hunt? What is this, 1700?! Where are the vampires? Like in the witch hunt days, fear was used to incite the general public into being puppets for coward authority who would not do the dirty job themselves. CTA will never succeed in getting any international attention and help with the oppression issues in Tibet by the Chinese Government because they are creating the karma, the cause for oppression by being oppressors themselves in the DS ban. The way the CTA is handling the DS ban, not only do they not deserve to get Tibet back, they will do a horrendous job at governing the country maybe even worse than the Chinese.
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CTA is hiding under Dalai Lama good influence to inflict pain, bullying, and controlling the Tibetans for their own personal agenda. This is how they have been in the past till now. How would one keep trusting that actions of CTA is for the Tibetan greater good? If you believe in CTA goodheartedness I am sorry to say that you're clearly blinded. You do not differentiate what is peace and violence.
We always complain our governments is so bad, and unfair. Is CTA free from that because they are Tibetans? I don't think so. CTA must be put under the same scrutiny as all governments in the world. It is our responsibility.
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The CTA has an updated list of Dorje Shugden practitioners who protested in Europe
http://tibet.net/2014/05/30/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe-updated/ (http://tibet.net/2014/05/30/list-of-dolgyal-followers-who-protested-against-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-in-us-and-europe-updated/)
CTA means to hurt these practitioners.
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This is so crazy. How can the CTA or the Dalai Lama (who could just make a public statement asking the CTA to stop) allow this? This endangers people's lives and makes people an "enemy" for demonstrating???
That is so anti-democratic. That's why I'm saying on other posts, I'm not jazzed at all that China wanted Tibet, but I personally would rather deal with China in charge than like China, puppet Chinese Dalai Lama or something.... like if I got reborn over there..... for real.... oh dear, this is really bad times, right. They are inspiring me a lot to by-pass samsaric rebirth so I can come back when I am a helpful Buddha, which I hope will be soon. But obviously it's a worry for everyone in samsara....
The CTA and the DL are so disreputable.
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I am really left speechless after seeing what the CTA has done. How can they call themselves Buddhist when they are attempting to kill people for their own good?
For decades Dorje Shugden people have been oppressed and all of them live every day of their life with fear, knowing that any time they can be assaulted by mobs from the CTA. Is this what a Buddhist is supposed to do? To incite fear amongst people? Is that the teachings of the great Buddha Siddharta? No. The only kind of people who will publish a death list are mentally unsound people who worship the real devil.
I really hope that the CTA can stop all these un-buddhist behaviour, because the more they try to tarnish Dorje Shugden's name the more they tarnish their name and the Buddha's name.
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This name list is not something new as CTA had in the past been publishing names of Shugden practitioners whom CTA deem as 'enemies of the state.' On what basis? Because those people refused to give up the practice. Why did CTA do that? Obviously to publicly shame those people and put pressure on their families to separate and disown those named. By doing so, others that are anti Shugden went to the extent of verbally and physically assaulting those 'enemies of the state." Strangely, the Dalai Lama refuted claims that Shugden practitioners were hurt in the process - this was what the Dalai Lama replied when he was asked by a foreign journalist. Why did the Dalai Lama reply so? Surely he would have knowledge of such incidents that happened, not just to lay people but to the ordained sangha in Tibetan monasteries in India.
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Again CTA got nothing else better to do? Why would they want to waste their time publishing a witch hunt list? Does it really help the innocent Tibetans? It shows what kind of mind they have. All they know is hunt for those people who are Shugden practitioners or anti-Dalai Lama. What will they get after the catch and punish all these people?
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Here we go again, doing our best with compassion in mind to convince CTA to act with the motivation to benefit the Tibetans in exile. May this not be futile.
For over 50 years, the governing authorities, initially under the Dalai Lama as head, and now with the Sikyong as head cannot do anything to make the lives of Tibetans outside China to be better, can it even be possible now.
Well as a Buddhist, I still pray for CTA to change as nothing is permanence except for living in the delusion of samsara.
Then my next question arises, how do CTA preserve the culture and traditions of Tibet when they do not even practice simple human kindness.
It is very primitive to set out and publish a Witch Hunt list just because the people mentioned are Dorje Shugden practitioners. Even women are not spared.
The next list may probably include some children. How low can CTA go just to protect self interest?
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Well as a Buddhist, I still pray for CTA to change as nothing is permanence except for living in the delusion of samsara.
And a very gross part of this delusion is placing faith in the bunch of debauched gangsters known as “CTA” in the vain, naive hope that they “change”.
This is hypnotic power of the evil dalaite personality cult, which makes place faith in a gangster whom they call “Chenrezig” together with his minions.
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How come the CTA publishes such a list and they are not stopped? This is truly a weird kind of "democracy"!?!
They got it completely wrong and they are bold enough to travel the world and show themselves to real democratic governments and beg for help.
I hope that the discrimination towards Dorje Shugden will end soon so that so much suffering of Dorje Shugden sangha, practitioners, families, and friends will stop very soon.
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They got it completely wrong and they are bold enough to travel the world and show themselves to real democratic governments and beg for help.
What is particularly funny in this statement is that oppressive Western plutocratic police states and vassal, puppet states such as Japan (where the evil dalie and his minions desperately look for help) are called “real democratic governments”!
Precisely because they are not, they do support the evil, disgruntled theocrat and his perverted entourage.