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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: WisdomBeing on February 20, 2014, 06:11:13 AM
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Anyone attending these demonstrations? I'm glad to see that people are taking action to remind people over the Dorje Shugden ban and how people are still suffering today. If anyone attends, please take photos and post them here so we can all take a look. I hope that these demonstrations will be covered by the media to bring attention to the ban. It would be better if the media interviews the Dalai Lama and asks him about this ban and how can anyone in the Dalai Lama's position encourage violence and oppression - the very antithesis to what he represents.
Hundreds of Buddhists Protest, Accusing the Dalai Lama of Religious Persecution and Human Rights Abuses
http://www.prweb.com/releases/DalaiLama/ReligiousDiscrimination/prweb11592622.htm (http://www.prweb.com/releases/DalaiLama/ReligiousDiscrimination/prweb11592622.htm)
Impassioned protests against the Dalai Lama will be staged this week during his speaking engagements in California by the International Shugden Community. Demonstrators are accusing the Dalai Lama of using his political power to ban a mainstream religious practice and create a religious apartheid, segregation, and system of persecution in the Tibetan exile community, including refusal of medical treatment, violent attacks on citizens and making hundreds of monks homeless.
(PRWEB) February 19, 2014
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Demonstrations:
Saturday, Feb 22 - San Francisco - Davies Symphony Hall, 11:30 am – 5 pm
Sunday, Feb 23 – Berkeley - Berkeley Community Theater 7am – 12noon
Monday, Feb 24 – Santa Clara - Leavey Event Center Santa Clara University 7am 12noon
Tuesday Feb 25th – Los Angeles - The Forum, Inglewood 10am – 2pm
Hundreds of Buddhists, including monks and nuns will stage impassioned protests against the Dalai Lama, during his speaking engagements this week in the Bay Area and Los Angeles.
The demonstrators want to bring attention to the hidden, intensive persecution by the Dalai Lama of thousands of Tibetan-exile citizens who practice a 400-year old mainstream tradition of making prayers to the Buddhist Deity Dorje Shugden (Al Jazeera Reports, Dalai Lama: The Devil Within, April 13, 2009, http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2008/09/200893014344405483.html (http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2008/09/200893014344405483.html) or Al Jazeera: The Dalai Lama, The Devil Within (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqa2DeOIEQM#ws)).
Claiming that their prayers harm his personal health and the cause of Tibet, the Dalai Lama has imposed an aggressive, forced ban on this religious practice, which he himself engaged in for over 40 years (Cabinet of Tibet Government in Exile - Dharamsala 'Points of the Kashag's statements concerning Dogyal, 31 May 1996,
http://www.dalailama.com/messages/dolgyal-shugden/kashags-statement, (http://www.dalailama.com/messages/dolgyal-shugden/kashags-statement,) Aug 1st, 2008).
Rebecca Foley, spokesperson of the International Shugden Community (ISC), an umbrella organization made up of Shugden practitioners from many Buddhist traditions, explains: "While the Dalai Lama enjoys a luxurious life for himself, making huge amounts of money through using Buddha's teachings, he causes millions of people to suffer by creating division between them and destroying their harmony and peaceful life. Because of their blind faith or extreme religious views people believe the Dalai Lama's intolerant words without investigation, and sincerely follow his misleading guidance. As a result his followers have been incited to extreme anger with Shugden practitioners. They have forcefully expelled Shugden practitioners from Tibetan society using public humiliation, provocation, intimidation and threats, including dismissing them from their jobs, refusing basic, even medical services to them, and publicly spreading lies and slander about them."
"This is clearly only for the Dalai Lama's own selfish political gain. Our prayers do not harm his health or the cause of Tibet!"
"Through this harm and intolerance he is acting in complete contradiction with Buddha's teachings and he is publicly showing great disrespect to Buddha and Buddhism."
"By our demonstrating at his public events we are telling the Dalai Lama to 'Stop lying, stop harming millions of people, stop abusing basic human rights, and stop religious discrimination'. Should we expect any less from this supposed 'man of peace'?"
More information at http://www.falsedalailama.com (http://www.falsedalailama.com).
Find press updates and press pack at http://www.falsedalailama.com/press (http://www.falsedalailama.com/press)
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I look forward to hearing more updates to these demonstrations. They will certainly create some awareness and bring to light the Dorje Shugden crisis where western media has deliberately not covered. I hope our friends in California will take some photos of these demonstrations and update us here.
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By the way, does anyone know who the International Shugden Community are? Are they the same as the Western Shugden Society (WSS)? Just wondering what's up with the name change. I know the WSS are responsible for the book "The Great Deception" and thus http://falsedalailama.com (http://falsedalailama.com). Is the name change supposed to reflect that there are supporters from the east also?
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I am glad that more people are willing to support human rights and religious freedom! With this upcoming demonstration, I hope that HHDL will soften his stance and that Dorje Shugden practitioners will be able to practice freely!
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It is to be hoped that these protests and demonstrations will lead to the softening of HH Dalai Lama's stance against Shugden practitioners, and will bring about the lifting of the ban.
Yes, it is hard to reconcile the intolerance of The Dalai Lama and his condoning of all the atrocities against Shugden practitioners, with the peace and compassion that are the hallmarks of Buddhism. It is also difficulty to accept his contradictory behavior - how can he give up a practice he had carried out for over forty years, to a Buddha deity He had praised with such fervor in the "Melody of the Unceasing Vajra", on such flimsy grounds as an advice by an unenlightened Dharma protector(especially one who had given so many mistaken pieces of advice in recent times)?
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Many practitioners have been treated as outcasts; deprived of their right to DS practice, otherwise they were segregated without access to many basic human rights. Many have lost their lives, fighting for the cause to lift the ban that was initiated by HHDL who had said that the DS practice is a threat to His life.
I hope that these protests will be carried out in a peaceful manner and brings the plight of the practitioners to more people and brings awareness to help lift the ban.
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By the way, does anyone know who the International Shugden Community are? Are they the same as the Western Shugden Society (WSS)? Just wondering what's up with the name change. I know the WSS are responsible for the book "The Great Deception" and thus [url]http://falsedalailama.com[/url] ([url]http://falsedalailama.com[/url]). Is the name change supposed to reflect that there are supporters from the east also?
International Shugden Community (ISC) is an umbrella organisation made up of Shugden practitioners from many Buddhist traditions/organisations.
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Shugden followers around the world should give their fullest moral support to these kind and devoted Shugden followers who are involved in these demonstrations at the US now. The lifting of the ban on Dorje Shugden is long overdue. Now is time that the ban on Dorje Shugden be lifted! The hypocritical Dalai Lama must be stopped from spreading more lies. His Holiness Dalai Lama and Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) must be stopped from creating more damage to Tibetan Buddhism and the Shugden followers. It is also the right moment to inform and remind the world about Dorje Shugden and the injustice done todate to the Shugden communities. The World must be reminded about the suffering of the Dorje Shugden followers since the ban was initiated by His Holiness Dalai Lama.
We must inform the media covering the Dalai Lama talks in the US now the true facts and situations surrounding Dorje Shugden issues. Now is the time to feed these media with the right information on how His Holiness Dalai Lama and CTA were completely wrong about Dorje Shugden. His Holiness' appearances at these talks in US provide us with the right opportunities to prove Him wrong and to lift the ban once and for all.
May the blessing of Dorje Shugden be with us. Down with the ban! OM BENZA WIKI BITANA SOHA.
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These peaceful protests present an opportunity for protestors to create an awareness of the true story and picture behind the ban against Shugden practice. The protests are being staged in a country which advocates and practices religious freedom. So the protestors, if they play their card well, will be able to open the eyes of a multitude of people to the plight of Shugden practitioners being victimized by the ban and subject to gross atrocities. Furthermore , with the help of the mass media, may the whole truth spill out in all directions and be unstoppable.
May this be the final step that will bring to an end the whole ugly build up of violence towards the innocent. May their voices be heard , loud and clear.
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May all the planned demonstrations be able to open the eyes and minds of people everywhere towards the sufferings of Shugden practitioners under the rule of the CTA. As much as I would like to believe that His Holiness Dalai Lama is the emanation of Chenrezig, the Buddha of compassion, I can't see the reason for putting all the helpless Shugdenpas under all the mindless persecutions. It is time the whole world get the real news.
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May the demonstration somehow create an awareness to the entire world that the banned of practise of Dorje Shugden by the CTA and Dalai Lama is causing more harm and suffering to people who is still believed and practises Dorje Shugden. Really happy that all the practitioners stood together and making use of this opportunity to create an awareness to the entire world.
May this be a ripple effect and have the interest created, so that Dorje Shugden practitioners will eventually have the freedom to continue this practise which have been around for 300 years.
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If we don't speak up for our rights, who will? If we want change, we gotta make the change, and do what we can do to achieve it. These protests are sure to bring light onto the issue of the unjust ban on Dorje Shugden and could result in the lifting of the ban. We have to create awareness, through as many avenues as we can such as the media, so that more and more people can see through the lies behind the ban. As support pours in, the ban will be lifted.
The key to the lifting of the ban - to educate as many people as possible on the contradictions in the preaching of His Holiness and the truth behind the ban.
I'm glad to read this, and that more and more people are being vocal in showing the rights that they deserve. No one should be subjected to this, as what the ban has done to so many.
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The more protests exists, the more exposure will be for Dorje Shugden controversy which might trigger public interest to know more about this precious protector practice. Hopefully these protests will be able to nullify HH Dalai Lama's stance against the practice of Dorje Shugden to an eventual outcome of lifting of the ban. As the ban will continue to spur violence, controversies and disharmony among the followers of Buddha's teachings.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch5hCnq0fHQ#t=0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch5hCnq0fHQ#t=0)
Demonstrations for Religious Freedom - San Francisco 2014
Vajralight
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I do hope this time around all the Dorje Shugden lamas and all the associated people will protest peacefully backed up with understanding of the dharma and wearing the armour of patience.
Again the Dalai Lama is at the heart of this protest, he is the catalyst that is providing the platform for Dorje Shugden to gain world wide recognition. Another few more days of action to go in lifting the ban , so proud to be a Dorje Shugden practitioner.
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DS practitioners must ensure that these protests remain peaceful and do not start getting violent. I agree with many here that these protests create awareness to DS and hopefully for many to find out the truth about DS.
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I wish I was there!!! Ahhhh but I am there in spirit and in prayers. I wish them all the BEST in getting media attention and also for this brave nun to actually come up to the Dalai Lama, remained focus and calm and keep telling him to "please give religious freedom"! BRAVO to her and how awe inspiring because I think gearing up that kind of courage to speak up to the Dalai Lama is SUPER AMAZINGLY BRAVE! I'm sorry but I do think the Dalai Lama is "somebody" and He does has attainments and I would have FROZEN if it was me.
I think this nun has very strong meditation practice and that she focused on her Lama to have that courage to speak up and to speak so calmly, politely yet stayed very focused and firm on her stance. In the video below, it looked like Dalai Lama was agitated by her and showed a bit of anger from this so called "dialogue".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd00Jbd3jFY&app=desktop (ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd00Jbd3jFY&app=desktop)
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I feel this a good example for citizens in other countries to learn what is religious freedom and how to do protests. Without religious and basic human rights it is very difficult to make spiritual progress for a lay person. Not only you but everyone in the community will suffer from the same kind mentality on their human rights. It is like living in slavery and dictatorship and you never learn what options are available to live as a free human being.
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In the teachings it is said that Boddhisattvas ask to take on the sufferings of sentient beings and to give the best to the sentient beings. The Dalai Lama does not appears to be doing that. He is directly causing sufferings for 4 millions Shugden practitioners. Whatever reasons he has, it is difficult to see how the ban helps. The directly results are the sufferings of 4 millions Shugdenites and millions of non-Shugdenites alike.
This protest is well justified and in fact should be step up to highlight to the world the injustice of the Dalai Lama and his policies of intolerant. He is hypocritical in that he preach love and compassion to all in the world except Shugdenites.
Protest can be on the streets, with the local MPs, congressmen, senators and mostly on the social media. This site is doing a great job. Please get more and more to support the this site and groups like the ISC to bring down the ban.
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I am sure CTA feels stupid that their lies, unjust actions and violent attacks on Dorje Shugden practitioners has been exposed and has attracted so much media attention. What is more stupid is that their hidden agenda against the practice of Dorje Shugden has reached foreign shores as the protesters were not only Tibetans but more foreigners. I have read and seen foreign groups or government intervening when another country experience inequality and injustice, whether economic, political or social. Or suffering of poverty in one part of the world. This is the first time that foreign entities get involved in an issue of the denial of freedom and basic human rights. This is so unfounded.
HHDL often says that his formal education in Buddhist thoughts exposed him to concepts such as interdependence and the human potential for infinite compassion. And that led to giving him a profound recognition of the importance of universal responsibility, non-violence, and inter-religious understanding. Non-violence??? Who was responsible for the attack of Gen Chonze??? Inter-religious understanding??? Forget inter-religious. Practice of Dorje Shugden IS Buddhism, not another religion. Unless CTA is trying to rewrite history....
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I rejoice in this latest protest against the Dalai Lama unjust ban that caused the suffering of millions of Tibetans. How can a leader, spiritual or secular becomes the direct cause to the sufferings of millions of people and not be a dictator? The Dalai Lama is in the categories of Hitler, Idi Amin, the South African apartheid regimes, Robert Mugabe... etc. I am real sorry to make this analogy but this is how I feel.
Please tell the world and make the world understand this. This is urgent.
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Shugden Buddhist faction protests Dalai Lama as he visits San Francisco
By Reuters
Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:26 EST
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Dozens of Buddhists rallied on the streets of San Francisco on Saturday protesting the Dalai Lama, who they say has persecuted followers of an ancient deity that the Tibetan spiritual leader denounced decades ago.
The crowd of brightly-dressed monks, nuns and other Shugden Buddhism practitioners, a subset of Buddhists who worship the 300-year-old deity Dorje Shugden, held protest signs and chanted, “Religious freedom. Dalai Lama Give!”
Demonstrators met across the street from a building where the Dalai Lama was scheduled to launch the first of a series of speaking events in a tour of U.S. cities.
Dalai Lamas are the head monks of the Gelugpa lineage of Tibetan Buddhism. The current Dalai Lama is the 14th in this lineage, and in 1989 won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Critics claim that the Dalai Lama has excommunicated thousands of Shugden Buddhists from Tibetan exile communities in India, and continues to push practitioners out of communities around the world by encouraging his followers to deny them jobs, schooling and health care.
Norden Kelsang, a 38-year-old Shugden Buddhist nun at Saturday’s rally, who practices in New York, said the demonstrators want religious freedom.
“We don’t need the Dalai Lama to practice our religion or for us to practice his,” she said.
Sarah Baker, a spokeswoman for the American Himalayan Foundation, which organized the Dalai Lama’s San Francisco event, declined to comment. Calls to the Dalai Lama’s offices in India were not immediately returned.
The Dalai Lama, who fled from Tibet in 1959 following an uprising against Chinese power, believes Shugden was born out of hostility towards a previous Dalai Lama, and divides and harms he and his followers, according to a statement on the religious leader’s website.
The Dalai Lama met with President Barack Obama at the White House on Friday. He is scheduled to stay in the United States for another two weeks.
(Reporting By Carey Gillam; Editing by David Gregorio)
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/23/shugden-buddhist-faction-protests-dalai-lama-as-he-visits-san-francisco/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/23/shugden-buddhist-faction-protests-dalai-lama-as-he-visits-san-francisco/)
Whatever the reason it still does not justify to ban another person's religion/faith/belief what so ever... if the excuse is that it is "spirit worship" than might as well you ban 50% of the faiths and beliefs on this planet like Vodoo, Santanic, Wicker, Newage, Bon (which is from Tibet and is still be practised today, how Dalai Lama does not ban this spirit/nature worship?), Taoist and the list can go on very long! So not an EXCUSE to have such a discrimination on His own people. This is by far the worst kind of DISCRIMINATION I've encountered and it is being created by BUDDHIST who is suppose to be the world's most peaceful religion?!! SHAMEFUL.