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Title: Banning of Tulkus in History
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Banning of Tulkus in History

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16th Century devotional statue of the Shamarpa Tulku


The CTA (Central Tibetan Administration) and its predecessor, the Tibetan government had long been well known for their hard-line policies against Tulkus and their spiritual institutions. If one were to take a long hard look at the history books, one would find a number of high-profile cases where great Lamas were marginalized, their great residences seized, students dispersed and their line of incarnations completely wiped out from historical records.

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A recent picture of the current incarnation – the 14th Shamarpa Mipham Chokyi Lodro


The Shamar Rinpoches are one of the highest-ranking Tulkus in the Karma Kagyu School. During the lifetime of the 10th Shamarpa, he was the brother of the 3rd Panchen Lama Palden Yeshe, the second highest Lama in Tibet. Unfortunately, the 10th Shamarpa developed a very poor relationship with the Tibetan government at Lhasa due to a series of ensuing events. After the Panchen Lama entered clear light, a conflict broke out over the handling of the inheritance. Shamarpa received none of the inheritance due to the fact that he was a Kagyu Lama and being a Lama, he has his own estate and inheritance.

However, tensions grew from that day on, which led to the Shamarpa travelling to Nepal on a teaching trip. Shortly thereafter, a letter from the Gurkha king was sent to the Eighth Dalai Lama, claiming that the Shamarpa was held hostage and sought ransom. The government deliberated and felt it was a hoax and refused to pay the ransom. Subsequently, the Gurkha army invaded Tibet and nearly captured Lhasa the capital. In the midst of chaos, the Eighth Dalai Lama stood his ground to remain in Lhasa thus inspiring his people to rally an army to defend Lhasa. After a fierce battle, the Gurkha army was pushed back and peace talks ensued.

As a result of the talks, the blame was placed squarely on the Shamarpa’s shoulders and he was tried for treason. The Tibetan government seized the Shamarpa’s estate and his line of incarnation was banned. They seized his red ceremonial hat and sent it to Lhasa where rumors circulated that it was buried under the front steps of the Jokhang Cathedral so pilgrims would have to step over his hat to make their devotional rounds – the desecration of the main symbol of Shamarpa’s spiritual authority. His incarnation would not be reinstated until the 20th Century.

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An intense devotional portrait of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen


The Shamarpa is not the only Lama who had received such treatment. During the time of the Great Fifth Dalai Lama, the fame of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen exceeded that of the Dalai Lama. Both Lamas were great disciples of the great Panchen Lama Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen. It would seem that the Dalai Lama wouldn’t be able to ascend to his position of authority unless Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen was eliminated. Therefore, tensions arose between the disciples of the Dalai Lama and that of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen.

The worst happened, Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen was mysteriously murdered and rumors persisted that the murder was attributed to the followers of the Dalai Lama. However, the Dalai Lama knew nothing of the plot and was greatly saddened by the sudden demise of this great Lama. Subsequently, the Tibetan government seized the deceased Lama’s estate and his incarnation name was downgraded in historical records and the search for his incarnation was mysteriously banned.

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Panchen Lobsang Chokyi Gyeltsen (as depicted in this thangka) was the tutor to the Great Fifth Dalai Lama and Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen


Finally, another Tulku that received a similar fate was Reting Rinpoche, the Regent of Tibet who came to power after the death of the Great Thirteenth Dalai Lama. Reting Rinpoche formed the search party responsible for the discovery of the boy who would be enthroned as the 14th Dalai Lama. Reting Rinpoche discovered his candidate in Taktser and the divination of the Panchen Lama supported his claim. For the right candidate to be enthroned, Reting Rinpoche had to come down hard on Langdun, the chief minister at that time and other corrupt officials that had their own rival candidate to the golden throne of the Dalai Lama. This angered the powerful Lhasa aristocracy that supported the chief minister with his candidate.

However, Reting Rinpoche managed to push for the enthronement of the boy from Taktser as the 14th Dalai Lama. Then, Reting Rinpoche decided to enter into retreat while Taktra Rinpoche was enthroned as the next Regent. But his time in seclusion would be short-lived as the Nechung oracle suddenly announced that the Dalai Lama was in imminent danger during a New Year’s celebration. Reting Rinpoche broke his retreat and traveled to Lhasa only to find that the Lhasa aristocracy had grown in strength.

During that time, the father of the Dalai Lama had become highly influential in Lhasa. Therefore, he was the first target and was poisoned to death. Then, there was a foiled assassination attempt on Taktra Rinpoche and somehow, Reting Rinpoche was implicated and was promptly arrested. He died in prison from horrendous torture that was inflicted upon him. Thereafter, he was typecasted as a villain and his estate seized and his subsequent incarnations were outlawed. All future incarnations of Reting Rinpoche are banned from being recognized just like in the case of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen and the previous Shamarpa.

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The official portrait of the Regent of Tibet, Reting Rinpoche


These are some examples of how the Tibetan government had treated some of these ill-fated Tulkus of the past. For political reasons, even High Lamas are not immune to inconsistent policies of the Tibetan government and they can be stripped of their estate, banned and stories of lies and maliciousness concocted in order to justify the bans they had placed upon these High Lamas. These stories may or may not have been investigated depending on the political agenda of a partisan and biased government. Therefore, the validity of such bans and policies that had been issued are questionable and often shrouded in intrigue.

Reference
Mullin, Glenn H. (2001). The Fourteen Dalai Lamas: A Sacred Legacy of Reincarnation. Clear Light Publishers. Santa Fe, NM

For the full life story of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, watch these Youtube videos:-
The Illustrated Story of Dorje Shugden - Part 1/2 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqbI8s8LOKk#ws)

The Illustrated Story of Dorje Shugden - Part 2/2 (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fsm5wChrsLc#ws)

Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 10, 2013, 11:27:44 AM
There are 2 other tulkus that you have left out, if I may point out. Taranatha is the founder of the Jonang School and not only was his incarnation banned in Tibet, the Jonang school which he founded was also banned but they went underground and survived. The current Dalai Lama's Kalachakra cycle of teachings comes directly from the Jonang School. Historical records of Tibet says that the school was closed down and deemed heretical, misleading and dangerous because of their view of emptiness known as shentong is opposite of what is taught by the Gelug school. However, the current Dalai Lama NOW admits that it was closed purely for political reasons. Taranatha subsequently reincarnated in Mongolia, where he is known as the line of the Jetsun Khalkas, and is to Mongolia what the Dalai Lama is to Tibet.

The other high lama whose incarnations was banned is Chankya Rolpa Dorje. He is the Lama to the emperor of China, Qianlong. There were no reasons given for the banning of his reincarnation, other than him being more popular and more wealthy than the government at that time. His reincarnation also reappeared in Mongolia and he is known as the line of Chankya hutukus there.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: dsiluvu on January 10, 2013, 01:05:22 PM
Say what??? I cannot believe what I am reading! This is so ridiculous... how can lay people go around stealing high Lama's belongings and rewrite history and ban incarnations? Whoever heard of that? How can you ban incarnations??? That is saying to the Buddhas you cannot manifest anymore because I ban you? Is there such a thing?

The more we dig deep in to the Tibetan government... the more and more we will discover the that there is heaps of skeletons in the closet! And all this is simply due to the corrupt aristocrats who is like any other corrupt government in this world where by their goals are tainted by money and power. It is more disgusting hearing it come from the Tibetan Govt because the world grew to love and appreciate Tibet because of the Dharma, because the Dalai Lama taught compassion and because the picture we received from His Holiness was that Tibetans are spiritual, kind loving people... but oh we are so so wrong. And this perfect picture of sweet Tibet is slowly crumbling down as we discover the truth behind all those lies.

Perhaps it is high time someone EXPOSE them to the world!!! What kind of govt is this any way... and any way it is not a legal Govt hence the name change to CTA. So by right they do not really hold any authorities that would be legal binding to Tibetans in exile. I mean no offense but if they can seize high Lama's estate, property, wealth and ban their future incarnations, then who can trust them to lead Tibetans?
Tibetans are really free to choose to be under them or under a legal Govt such as India or China who will at least give you a place in their society without discrimination. If I was a Tibetan, I would not want to live and follow the CTA that's for sure.

It's terribly sad because everything we thought we knew about Tibetans are basically just a huge fraud where even the Buddhas are being exploited to suit their own means and goals. So why should the world support such a polluted, corrupted unstable fickle minded non-governmental representative of the Tibetans who is obviously not even Buddhist come to think of it, cos they don't even follow the teachings or respect Lamas!

Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 10, 2013, 01:25:10 PM
Say what??? I cannot believe what I am reading! This is so ridiculous... how can lay people go around stealing high Lama's belongings and rewrite history and ban incarnations? Whoever heard of that? How can you ban incarnations??? That is saying to the Buddhas you cannot manifest anymore because I ban you? Is there such a thing?

The more we dig deep in to the Tibetan government... the more and more we will discover the that there is heaps of skeletons in the closet! And all this is simply due to the corrupt aristocrats who is like any other corrupt government in this world where by their goals are tainted by money and power. It is more disgusting hearing it come from the Tibetan Govt because the world grew to love and appreciate Tibet because of the Dharma, because the Dalai Lama taught compassion and because the picture we received from His Holiness was that Tibetans are spiritual, kind loving people... but oh we are so so wrong. And this perfect picture of sweet Tibet is slowly crumbling down as we discover the truth behind all those lies.

Perhaps it is high time someone EXPOSE them to the world!!! What kind of govt is this any way... and any way it is not a legal Govt hence the name change to CTA. So by right they do not really hold any authorities that would be legal binding to Tibetans in exile. I mean no offense but if they can seize high Lama's estate, property, wealth and ban their future incarnations, then who can trust them to lead Tibetans?
Tibetans are really free to choose to be under them or under a legal Govt such as India or China who will at least give you a place in their society without discrimination. If I was a Tibetan, I would not want to live and follow the CTA that's for sure.

It's terribly sad because everything we thought we knew about Tibetans are basically just a huge fraud where even the Buddhas are being exploited to suit their own means and goals. So why should the world support such a polluted, corrupted unstable fickle minded non-governmental representative of the Tibetans who is obviously not even Buddhist come to think of it, cos they don't even follow the teachings or respect Lamas!

From 350 years ago until now, unfortunately nothing has changed, in reality. Perhaps the chubas have been replaced with suits and the braided hair with slick, well combed hair, but the heart of it all has not changed. Every single Kalon Tripa who replaced Sangye Gyatso was just as bad as him and nothing much has changed unfortunately. It was scheme after scheme and everyone of them focused only on their own benefits and only for their own purposes and only their own benefits. Why else would people in ancient Tibet be living in conditions that are considered horrifying now?
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: WisdomBeing on January 10, 2013, 01:39:19 PM
I have always been puzzled by the banning of Changkya Rolpe Dorje. From the post below, I understand he is a previous incarnation of Pabongkha Rinpoche.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/great-masters/recent-masters/my-guru-kind-in-three-ways-who-met-face-to-face-with-heruka-whose-name-i-find-difficult-to-utter-the-great-lama-je-pabongka-according-to-his-disciples-and-others/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/great-masters/recent-masters/my-guru-kind-in-three-ways-who-met-face-to-face-with-heruka-whose-name-i-find-difficult-to-utter-the-great-lama-je-pabongka-according-to-his-disciples-and-others/)

This just shows that you cannot keep the incarnation of a highly attained being hidden just by ‘banning’ the incarnation. After all, how can one ban a ‘buddha’? Only if you don't believe that Buddhas can reincarnate. Changkya Rolpe Dorje’s incarnation as Pabongkha Rinpoche is a perfect example that their attainments will shine through from life to life, whatever name they may assume.

Incidently, since Changkya Rolpe Dorje is ‘banned’, I do wonder why this FPMT centre’s website has this poem by Changkya Rolpe Dorje and described as “someone with deep admiration in the great Middle Way” http://www.fpmtabc.org/download/teaching/geshe-chonyi/special-insight/Recognizing_the_mother.pdf (http://www.fpmtabc.org/download/teaching/geshe-chonyi/special-insight/Recognizing_the_mother.pdf)
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 10, 2013, 02:26:04 PM
What is even more interesting is that while only the Sharmapa was unbanned and pardoned, none of the other tulkus were pardoned or unbanned by CTA. The banned Tulkus, however, came back in many other forms and emanations that were way beyond the reach of the Tibetan government. This goes to show that the tibetan government have failed again and again to bring benefit to Buddhism and have time and time again betrayed the Dharma and their own Gurus in the name of fame and fortune. What or who can withstand this sad and sorry sight? By the way, it is said that the banning of Reting Rinpoche and the sacking of his ladrang generated so much negative karma that Tibet was lost to China.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: beggar on January 11, 2013, 01:03:28 PM
The very concept of banning a tulku is contradictory. If a being is of a level high enough to be recognised as a Tulku / Rinpoche, wouldn't it therefore be understood that he would have some level of attainment already and have a mind that can control his death and rebirth? Further, Tulkus are not just arbitrarily recognized. They are recognized, 'approved' of and enthroned by highly respected and attained masters and, in almost all cases, also by the Dharma protectors. In the cases of such tulkus it is thus also understood that should a being take rebirth in this way and are rightfully recognized, they are manifesting in this form and incarnation specifically to be of benefit to others; it is not for samsaric means or motivations.

So while on the one hand there is this highly respected system of recognizing tulkus, the Tibetans undermine their own sacred and established traditions by trying to ban the very 'products' that come out of this system. It is therefore saying that this whole process of recognizing tulkus is flawed and mistaken. It is saying that they just don't trust their own lamas and protectors enough to recognize a true and beneficial being, but that they would simply recognize a harmful being as a Rinpoche and/or Tulku. It is also saying that tulkus - and all the lamas that recognize them - cannot be truly trusted, that they are not really attained and that they would have corrupted motivations.

Contradiction? I think so. Also, yet another example of just how the Tibetans shoot themselves in their own foot and go against the very institutions they are trying to establish as credible.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: DharmaDefender on January 11, 2013, 02:59:24 PM
Incredible how hypocritical the Tibetan government is, when you examine their actions. To the world, the Tibetan government appears spiritual and all Shangri-la-like. But when you dig a little deeper, a lot of shit comes out of the wood works. I call to your attention two particular incidents:

(1) NECHUNG

If you read Oracles and Demons, the number of times they swapped and got rid of the Nechung Oracle was ridiculous. After Sakya phel passed away, Gobo Choje was installed, then removed then installed again after Gyaltsan Thayin refused to resume his role as an oracle. Sure you might argue that it is because the oracle made so many mistakes in his prophecies...but is that how you treat an oracle monk? When he gives you answers you dont want to hear? Or when they come out wrong? Wouldnt it make more sense NOT to rely on Nechung, who is unreliable so you wouldnt have to install, remove then reinstall people?

(2) PANCHEN LAMA

The Tibetan government said that the Chinese-approved Panchen Lama is not the right candidate, and that their methods of recognising the right candidate (the golden urn) are reliant on superstition. But lets throw that back to the Tibetan government...they are approving of a Chinese-recognised Karmapa. So why is it okay to support a Chinese-recognised Karmapa, and NOT okay to support a Chinese-recognised Panchen Lama?

Given how fickle the Tibetan government has traditionally been throughout history, its no surprise to hear that they have been banning tulkus and their reincarnations as and when it suits them. Why should it surprise people? The Tibetan government have never acted in the best interests of their people, and Dorje Shugden is just another example of that.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 12, 2013, 01:03:34 PM
I still think it is very strange that the Dalai Lama has only 'unbanned' Sharmapa and the Jonang school but not the rest of the banned tulkus. Or maybe perhaps the CTA chose not to remind the Dalai Lama? I heard that the Sharmapa was only unbanned after the 16th Karmapa approached the Dalai Lama and requested him to unban the Sharmapa. You see, when they were all back in Tibet, Gelug was the dominant tradition and the other 3 traditions were at the mercy of the Gelugs, which is why the ban on the Sharmapa stayed so long and was 'valid' for so long. But in reality, its not the fault of the Gelug tradition but the government of that time who choose to surpress the rival traditions. The CTA/Dalai Lama should unban all of these lamas as they need all the help they can get Tibet back...but oh well. They seem to be destroying their own religion with all these bannings...especially on Dorje Shugden.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: lotus1 on January 12, 2013, 11:14:16 PM
The more I know about Tibetan Buddhism that emphasis on Guru devotions and lineage, the more I find all these ironic and ridiculous. All tulkus and Rinpoches are recognized through a series of test and by highly attained masters and lamas. How can we just simply banning a tulku??!!

Furthermore, causing the disharmony and schism in the Sangha members ia one of the five non-virtues actions that will cause heavy negative karma. The CTA should really wake up and change for better and not just looking into political and material gains. Respect to all the tulkus and lift the ban for Dorje Shugden!
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Tenzin Malgyur on January 13, 2013, 12:55:52 AM
This is so disturbing to know that ministers and governments are having a say in important religious decisions. What more, the CTA who does not even have its own country. They are now making decisions and declaring bans on religious matters that was done by very highly attained lamas. Are these people also Buddhists? What happened to their respect for their lamas? Indeed, politics and religion should not be combined.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Zach on January 13, 2013, 05:35:53 AM
Its very sad how Worldly concerns poison everything.  >:(
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 13, 2013, 06:13:20 AM
You know, times have changed since many of the bannings of those tulkus. Not only that, the jonang school and the sharmapa has also been unbanned as well. Would it behoove the CTA now to unban the rest of the Lamas that was banned? Simply because times have changed and HHDL would want that as there is never enough Dharma teachers around to teach the world and benefit sentient beings. By overstepping their boundaries and playing around with the spiritual affairs of the nation, the tibetan government draws heavy negative karma that would result in many more unfortunate results for them in the future. Wouldnt it be a better thing to do to unban all the said Lamas now rather than waiting for too long? I believe the sikyong can choose to unban  these tulkus for the sake of preserving Tibetan culture but i dont think he would. because he is too scared to step out of the Dalai Lama's shadow.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: thor on January 13, 2013, 03:45:52 PM
Those of you who said that the Tibetan government have not withdrawn the ban on most of he tulkus are wrong. For example, the lineage of Changkya Rolpai Dorje is alive and well, AND recognised by the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government, The difference is that he was not allowed to resume the Changkya title, and was renamed Pabongka, after the village of Pabong.

The point here is that the government will allow true lineage to be affected by the whims of politics. And pabongka Rinpoche's situation is just an example of how far the CTA will go to ensure their goals are met. Nevermind that Tibetan Buddhism was probably one of the most valuable assets and "exports" the Tibetans have on their side... nothing is sacred.

This reminds me of the banning of reincarnation by the Chinese government in 2011The policy is is sheer idiocy.... but is it really any different than what the Tibetans have done to the lineages that fall out of favour? While we are busy protesting the Chinese, have a think...
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Barzin on January 13, 2013, 05:50:13 PM
This is exactly what we had read in Wheel of Sharp Weapons, the karma returns full force upon the Tibetan government.  This raise my suspicious of they have been trying to tap into the power of the high lamas to do things for their favour.  They intention is rather suspicious if not why would they want to destroy the dharma in fact they should know better than anyone else.  I am guessing that because what they are doing is against the law of dharma hence they will destroy those who don't compromise.  A power game after all.  But too bad they never learn that these lamas are real, spiritualism does exist and karma does come back.

Now it's time to tell the truth.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Big Uncle on January 13, 2013, 08:50:29 PM
There are 2 other tulkus that you have left out, if I may point out. Taranatha is the founder of the Jonang School and not only was his incarnation banned in Tibet, the Jonang school which he founded was also banned but they went underground and survived. The current Dalai Lama's Kalachakra cycle of teachings comes directly from the Jonang School. Historical records of Tibet says that the school was closed down and deemed heretical, misleading and dangerous because of their view of emptiness known as shentong is opposite of what is taught by the Gelug school. However, the current Dalai Lama NOW admits that it was closed purely for political reasons. Taranatha subsequently reincarnated in Mongolia, where he is known as the line of the Jetsun Khalkas, and is to Mongolia what the Dalai Lama is to Tibet.

The other high lama whose incarnations was banned is Chankya Rolpa Dorje. He is the Lama to the emperor of China, Qianlong. There were no reasons given for the banning of his reincarnation, other than him being more popular and more wealthy than the government at that time. His reincarnation also reappeared in Mongolia and he is known as the line of Chankya hutukus there.

That's interesting to read about Taranatha and the controversial closing of the Jonang school. I am sure it was political and not because of its esoteric view of emptiness. If they are able to produce great and attained masters, I am sure their view of emptiness is just as valid although it may not conform to Lama Tsongkhapa's interpretation. It may be valid but it does not mean Lama Tsongkhapa's view is not valid. I still maintain that Lama Tsongkhapa's view as expounded in the Gelug School is superior because of Lama Tsongkhapa's special qualities and that his view was moulded and guided by Arya Manjushri. It is superior meaning it is a speedier method to achieve the correct view of emptiness.

Anyway, I became fascinated with Taranath and I did a bit of googling and came across this interesting bio:-

Taranatha

Jetsun Taranatha: 18th cent, Amdo

Alternative Name(s): Kunga Nyingpo (Kun dga' Snying po), Jetsun Taranatha (Rje brtsun tA ra nA tha), Taranatha (Grol ba'i Mgon po)

Period: Later Masters (16th–18th)
Lifespan: 1575–1635

Sites Founded:
Takten Damcho Phuntsok Ling Monastery rtag brtan dam chos gling

Major Site(s) of Residence:
   Former:
Great Stupa Mountain Hermitage jo nang sku 'bum ri khrod chen mo
Cholung Changtse Monastery chos lung byang rtse


Teacher(s):
Buddhagupta Sangs rgyas Sbas pa'i mgon

Literary Works Composed: 'Dzam thang Outline (PDF) Rgyal rtse Outline (PDF)
Annotated 'Dzam thang Outline (TBRC.org) Annotated Rgyal rtse Outline (TBRC.org)

Biography:
Jetsun Taranatha was born at Karag (kha rag) in the hereditary line of the great Tibetan translator Ra Lotsawa Dorje Drak. His Tibetan name was Kunga Nyingpo, but he is generally known by the name Taranatha, which he received in a vision from a great Indian adept. When he was about one year old he declared, “I am master Kunga Drolchok!” But this was kept secret for several years, and it was not until he was about four years old that he was brought to Kunga Drolchok’s monastery of Cholung Changtse and formally recognized as his incarnation. He then began years of intense study and practice under the guidance of a series of great masters, many of whom had been major disciples of Kunga Drolchok.

Guided by Kunga Drolchok’s disciple Jampa Lhundrup, Taranatha first studied and mastered various subjects of sutra and tantra. Then he received a vast number of tantric teachings and initiations, primarily of the Sakya tradition of Lamdre, from another of his predecessor’s disciples, Doring Kunga Gyaltsen. Kunga Drolchok’s disciple Dragtopa Lhawang Dragpa taught Taranatha many esoteric instructions, especially the Six Yogas and Mahamudra, which caused a sublime primordial awareness to arise in the young prodigy’s mind. Jedrung Kunga Palsang, who was Kunga Drolchok’s nephew and successor on the monastic seat of Jonang, transmitted to Taranatha the teachings of Kalacakra and the Dharma protector Mahakala that he had received from his uncle. From Kunga Drolchok’s disciple Lungrik Gyatso, Taranatha received many transmissions, especially the Kalachakra initiation, the explanation of the Kalachakra Tantra, the esoteric instructions of the sixfold yoga according to the Jonang tradition, and the collected writings of dharma lord Dolpopa Sherab Gyaltsen. He gained a special experiential realization when he practiced the sixfold yoga.

When Taranatha was fourteen years old, the Indian adept Buddhagupta-natha arrived in Tibet. This master became one of Taranatha’s most important teachers, passing to him countless transmissions of tantric initiations and esoteric instructions. Taranatha stated that his understanding of the secret mantra teachings was due to the kindness of Buddhagupta-natha alone. Several other Indian yogins and scholars, both Buddhist and non-Buddhist, came to Tibet during Taranatha’s lifetime, such as Balabhadra, Nirvanasri, Purnananda, Purnavajra, and Krsnabhadra. Some of them taught him profound instructions, scholarly topics, and joined him in translating Sanskrit manuscripts into Tibetan. Several of Taranatha’s translations are now included in the Tibetan canonical collections of the Kangyur and Tengyur.

In 1588 Jedrung Kunga Palzang, who had followed his uncle Kunga Drolchok as holder of the monastic seat of Jonang, enthroned Taranatha at Jonang, although a formal ceremony of investiture did not occur until 1595. Taranatha took upon himself the responsibility of causing the dharma lord Dolpopa’s insights to once again reach a wide audience. He was determined to revive what he saw as a priceless transmission lineage in danger of being lost. During the 1590s the instruction manual of Dolpopa’s dharma heir Chogle Namgyal was still being used at Jonang to teach the sixfold yoga, but very few people understood the philosophical tenet of Dolpopa and his spiritual sons. Taranatha was even more concerned that some of the previous holders of the monastic seat of Jonang had given initiations and instructions according to the Jonang tradition, but had also criticized and refuted Dolpopa’s vajra proclamations of the ultimate view of zhentong, which Taranatha felt was the secret teaching of all the buddhas and bodhisattvas. Even though he personally disavowed any ability to refute another system, he now felt the need to defend the original views of Dolpopa through refutation of erroneous opinions, and to establish the correct interpretations according to his lineage.

During this period Taranatha’s teacher Jampa Lhundrup advised him to restore the Great Stupa of Jonang that Dolpopa had built about 260 years before at Jonang. Taranatha put all his energy into the project. Just before the restoration work was finished, he had a marvelous vision one morning. The earth and sky seemed filled with countless people of all descriptions going in the same direction. He joined with them and arrived in a red, triangular valley with an incredible crystal mountain in the center. The mountain was totally filled with amazing stupas of different sizes, and in each stupa infinite buddhas and bodhisattvas were speaking back and forth about the dharma. Flowers fell from the sky like rain, and many other miraculous signs occurred. All of the people were making offerings to the crystal mountain filled with stupas, and chanting a series of verses in unison. Awestruck, Taranatha asked about the mountain, and was told that it was the Dhanyakataka Stupa, where the Buddha had first taught the Kalachakra Tantra. Taranatha later felt that perhaps this vision had occurred because everyone had been working so intensely to complete the restorations of the Great Stupa at Jonang.

In 1604, after a decade of efforts to revive the original Jonang teachings, all of Taranatha’s work was threatened by serious political conflict between the regions of Jang (byang) and Tsang. Jonang itself was in immediate danger of being attacked by hostile armies. While meditating at Dolpopa’s great stupa, Taranatha became despondent, and, seeing all his efforts about to be wiped out and the tradition itself perhaps destroyed, wished only to go into retreat far away from all the troubles created by deluded and impassioned people. But Dolpopa then appeared to him in a vision, encouraged him to continue as before, and assured him that his efforts would not be in vain. The next night Taranatha prayed to Dolpopa and experienced a vision of a bodhisattva who spoke a quatrain of verse. As a result of these events, Taranatha said he gained realization of Dolpopa’s true intentions as expressed in his zhentong teachings, and all his uncertainties and doubts were completely removed. He felt that a great key had been placed in his hands to open the doors of all the Buddha’s doctrine. As an expression of his realization he composed a versified text entitled, Ornament of the Zhentong Madhyamaka, which is one of his most important works solely devoted to the explication of the zhentong view. Taranatha said that he received several prophecies from Dolpopa, and thereafter met him many times, both actually and in dreams. He further commented, “That is the reason I am now an expert in the great omniscient Dolpopa’s view and preserve his true intentions.”
Taranatha had countless such visions during his life. For example, many times during the years 1618 and 1619 he experienced visions of the Kalapa court of the Shambhala emperors, beheld the rulers themselves, and heard their teachings. He felt that these visions were a result of his belief that the ultimate view of all sutras and tantras was zhentong Madhyamaka.

In 1615, the powerful Tsang ruler Desi Puntsok Namgyal provided a special piece of land and the necessary supplies and workers to begin construction of a monastery to serve as a center for the teachings of the definitive meaning of the Buddha’s doctrine. This monastery, which was finally completed in 1628, became Taranatha’s main residence and was known as Takten Damcho Ling.

Shortly before his death, Taranatha appointed his disciple Sangye Gyatso as his successor on the monastic seat of Takten Damcho Ling and made many prophetic statements about the Jonang tradition and the great political troubles that would soon sweep through Tibet. Unfortunately, Sangye Gyatso passed away not long after Taranatha himself. Thus another of the great master’s disciples, Kunga Rinchen Gyatso, was appointed to the monastic seat and led the Jonang tradition for the next fifteen years.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 14, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
Those of you who said that the Tibetan government have not withdrawn the ban on most of he tulkus are wrong. For example, the lineage of Changkya Rolpai Dorje is alive and well, AND recognised by the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan government, The difference is that he was not allowed to resume the Changkya title, and was renamed Pabongka, after the village of Pabong.

The point here is that the government will allow true lineage to be affected by the whims of politics. And pabongka Rinpoche's situation is just an example of how far the CTA will go to ensure their goals are met. Nevermind that Tibetan Buddhism was probably one of the most valuable assets and "exports" the Tibetans have on their side... nothing is sacred.

This reminds me of the banning of reincarnation by the Chinese government in 2011The policy is is sheer idiocy.... but is it really any different than what the Tibetans have done to the lineages that fall out of favour? While we are busy protesting the Chinese, have a think...

The reason for the name changing is because the Lamas who recognized Chankya Rolpa Dorje's reincarnation are aware that the Chankya line has been banned, yet they would not want the Dharma activities of that reincarnation to be stifled all because of a name. In essence, Chakya Rolpa Dorje is not allowed to resume his title and not allowed to return to his ladrang in accordance with the law of the government. The name switch was done without the knowledge of the government officials and were revealed at a later time after China has invaded Tibet, and the CTA cannot do anything much at all anymore. There is also a mongolian line of Chankya Rolpa Dorjes called Chankya hutukus. It does sound close to when China banned high lamas from reincarnating right? But in CTA's case, it is more about preventing that Lama from resuming his title and continuing where he left off in the previous incarnation so the Lama has to start all over from scratch... and there are beings that would suffer a little longer due to this.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Zach on January 14, 2013, 11:31:01 AM
This is the Doctrine of Other Emptiness as spoken about by our Jonang Friends http://greatmiddleway.wordpress.com/zhentong-other-emptiness/ (http://greatmiddleway.wordpress.com/zhentong-other-emptiness/)

Personally I think the variation on the subtlety of views(within Madhyamaka) doesn't matter so much as they are overcome anyway during actual practice if not there would only be select traditions with accomplished masters however we can clearly see all 5 Buddhist traditions have accomplished beings at their helm.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: WisdomBeing on January 14, 2013, 02:23:21 PM
The more i read about these bannings, it seems like there is some materialistic aspect to it. When an incarnation is banned, the Tibetan government confiscates the property and material goods belonging to that particular incarnation, and i am sure some tulkus will over several lifetimes have amassed a substantial estate. So how can the CTA now 'unban' these incarnations on a practical level - would the CTA have to return all the confiscated goods? What happened to the Shamarpa when his incarnation was legitimised? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Ensapa on January 15, 2013, 07:36:02 AM
This is the Doctrine of Other Emptiness as spoken about by our Jonang Friends [url]http://greatmiddleway.wordpress.com/zhentong-other-emptiness/[/url] ([url]http://greatmiddleway.wordpress.com/zhentong-other-emptiness/[/url])

Personally I think the variation on the subtlety of views(within Madhyamaka) doesn't matter so much as they are overcome anyway during actual practice if not there would only be select traditions with accomplished masters however we can clearly see all 5 Buddhist traditions have accomplished beings at their helm.


Obviously there was nothing wrong with Jonang's views of emptiness, but the fact that the tibetan govt used it as an excuse to shut it down shows us how horrible the CTA is. They would not think twice to shut down an entire tradition for their own purposes and even lie to everyone saying that their views and teachings is wrong, and it is because of that the school have to be closed down. This went down the annals of history and over the many centuries, people have assumed that to be true and the name of the Jonang school has been stained in history.


The more i read about these bannings, it seems like there is some materialistic aspect to it. When an incarnation is banned, the Tibetan government confiscates the property and material goods belonging to that particular incarnation, and i am sure some tulkus will over several lifetimes have amassed a substantial estate. So how can the CTA now 'unban' these incarnations on a practical level - would the CTA have to return all the confiscated goods? What happened to the Shamarpa when his incarnation was legitimised? I'm just curious.

In the Shamarpa's case, i think he was allowed to rebuild his estate from scratch. I dont think the CTA can return the estates of the previous incarnations, they are in dire need of help anyway in terms of resource and finances. the sharmapa was unbanned only because the 16th Karmapa intervened. else he would have remain banned until now.
Title: Re: Banning of Tulkus in History
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on April 08, 2015, 08:57:53 AM
Are Tulkus banned due to the greed of the Tibetan government wanting their properties and monasteries.  Or are they banned due to some wrong political views?

Recognised tulkus will be with the same attainments of their previous lives and be great teachers and holders of the lineage.  I do not doubt that whether recognised or not these divine incarnate tulkus will preserve the Dharma but will definitely take a longer them for them to start to propagate their knowledge. 

As always politics should never be part of religion.  Let the CTA know that otherwise the very culture of Tibet is destroyed.