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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ensapa on June 29, 2012, 08:26:39 AM
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Hey guys, I found a picture of Guru Tragphur, a wrathful manifestation of Guru Rinpoche. In the iconography, the lower half of Guru Tragphur is actually a phurba stabbing on the body of a symbolic enemy. This appears to be a very rare and uncommon form of Guru Rinpoche as I cannot find much information about him. It seems that he is either a new form of Guru Rinpoche created specifically to counter Dorje Shugden as all descriptions of him say that he has Dorje Shugden pinned down under his feet. It is sad because they are just creating the causes to cause this lineage to end. This practice will never ever become popular and nobody knows about it until now. No historical documents talk about this form so it should be a recent creation.
Author: Chogyal Namkhai Norbu One of the most effective practices for controlling negativities is Guru Tragphur. This Guru Tragphur, however, is very special because it is the union of Hayagriva, Vajrapani, Garuda and Vajrakilaya as well as Yangdag Heruka. This practice is a terma of my uncle Heka Lingpa, also known as Jamyang Chokyi Wangchuk and Khyentse Yangsid Rinpoche. In our modern society there are many people who don't believe that other powerful beings really exist but it is important to understand the situation. This doesn't mean we should believe blindly. Instead of believing everything when someone says that there is a deity or a spirit, we should think a little. Then we can discover and understand. For example, in the universe there are many dimensions; that is something we can also understand scientifically. We say there are many galaxies and solar systems, and we know that these stars have immense dimensions. So, if there are these dimensions why should there not be beings there too? How can we decide that there are only human beings? We have many problems with illnesses, such as cancer and tumours, and now also AIDS. All these illnesses are related with negative provocations. If we do not control this negative energy, but just try to cure this illness with only medicine and therapy, we cannot cure it. However, if we know about that negativity and which kind of practice to use in order to control it, and do that practice together with therapy and medicine, then it really works. So it is very important to understand these provocations. Gyalpo is one of the Eight Classes. The Gyalpo is a very big class and also a very provocative one. Where the Gyalpos provoke, people become nervous; where there are Gyalpos there is war, conflict, problems, and a lot of confusion. Today the class of Gyalpo is really a problem in our society. Provocations from the Gyalpos exist everywhere. Beneath the manifestation of Guru Tragphur there are two figures: the male form is a Gyalpo and looks like Gyalpo Shugden to show that we have this kind of problem in this epoch. For that reason if you do Guru Tragphur practice you cannot receive negativities, the Gyalpos can never dominate you.
Pictures of Dorje Tragpur pinning down Dorje Shugden:
(http://vajratool.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/guru-tragphur.jpg)
(http://www.shangshungstore.org/images/products/detail_65_guru_traghpur.jpeg)
If you zoom in on the figure, he is wearing robes with a domed hat.
This practice will die off very soon and people who practice it will only create more misfortune for themselves, their lineage and their Gurus as it is a product of paranoia and this is nothing short of desecration.
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Interesting Ensapa! But it is rather hilarious come to think of it simply because well... I guess they were pretty unsuccessful in getting rid/destroying/countering Dorje Shugden because emmmm well... there is so many monasteries and centres growing?!?!
If it is so effective then how come we are all still here and Dorje Shugden practice is still going on strong? Sounds to me it is another one of anti-Shugden's insecurities to find ways to paint a negative impression on Dorje Shugden so that real questions and thoughts regarding Dorje Shugden would not raised.
We just have to think back...ever since His Holiness Dalai Lama implemented the ban on Dorje Shugden... He has also ordered many Pujas to be performed to subdue Dorje Shugden and these were done High Lamas. And guess what...they were unsuccessful.
So the obvious arise... Dorje Shugden being the same with Manjushri a Buddha obvious cannot be harmed/destroyed. Hence with more of these new Protectors appearing to subdue Dorje Shugden will not affect Dorje Shugden, in fact it will probably make people think that truly Dorje Shugden is indestructible. And in all this it's obvious Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being.
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No matter how much I zoom in, I cant see it...
Anyway some time ago I heard a story (or maybe I read it here, I cant remember) about a monastery in Nepal which was opening. And on the altar was a statue of a deity stepping on Dorje Shugden, but the lama (the Karmapa?) who came to officiate the ceremony asked the monks who said they could put the statue there, and that it was inaccurate and then told the monks there to get rid of the statue.
Is this the same deity?
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No matter how much I zoom in, I cant see it...
Anyway some time ago I heard a story (or maybe I read it here, I cant remember) about a monastery in Nepal which was opening. And on the altar was a statue of a deity stepping on Dorje Shugden, but the lama (the Karmapa?) who came to officiate the ceremony asked the monks who said they could put the statue there, and that it was inaccurate and then told the monks there to get rid of the statue.
Is this the same deity?
I have attached and zoomed in on the images in the files attached below that clearly depict Dorje Shugden. As you can see, the worst part is they depict Dorje Shugden in robes and carrying the vinaya staff! Guru Rinpoche stepping on items that represent the vinaya! I understand that Nyingmapas have their Ngakpas that do not hold the monk vows, but this is horrible to deride the vinaya who was laid down by Shakyamuni himself in this way, who by the way, is nowhere present in the thangka. Does this mean that the Nyingmas are indeed guilty of forsaking their vows?
The one you mention is Dorje Drollo, a very fierce emanation of Guru Rinpoche that originally did not have Dorje Shugden below, just the symbolic enemy.
Dorje Drollo:
One website that I found described Dorje Drolo as follows: "Guru Dorje Drolo is the crazy wrathful Buddha of the degenerate era. He has no regular pattern to his wrath. He is completely out of order!" He is a manifestation of crazy wisdom. He is an ecstatic manifestation of Padmasambhava, the deity Dorje Drolo embodies the forces of insight and compassion beyond logic and convention. Invoking in the practitioner the fearlessness and spontaneity of the awakened state, Dorje Drolo transforms hesitancy and clinging into enlightened activity. Dorje Drolo's energy overcomes distinctions of life and death, representing instead a continual process of giving birth to new circumstances and possibilities. Padmasambhava manifested as Dorje Drolo at numerous pilgrimage places in order to subvert indigenous Tibetan beliefs in demons and malevolent gods, redirecting their powerful energies toward the path of wisdom and compassion. Dorje Drolo, the subverter of demons, looks very wrathful. He has fangs, an overbite, and three eyes. He wears Tibetan boots, a chuba and monk's robes, two white conch shell earrings, and a garland of severed heads. His hair is bright red and curly, giving off sparks. To show how truly crazy he is, he dances on the back of a pregnant tigress, surrounded by flames which signifies the latent power of our intrinsic Buddha Nature. The tigress is often depicted as also dancing, so that everything is in motion. Dorje Drolo had 5 dakini consorts/acolytes who he worked with and engaged in tantric practice with.
Dorje Drollo has a history and background, but not Guru Tragphur.
original Dorje Drollo:
(http://lamathinley.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/dorje-drolo.jpg)
Desecrated Dorje Drollo
(http://www.arcanology.com/images/dorje-drollo-thangka-4.jpg)
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It is a clear indication that this is another way for them to tell the world that Dorje Shugden is a demon or spirit. Aren't they tired trying to paint such kind of negative impression to others?
It has been time tested and proven that Dorje Shugden is not a demon nor an evil or spirits. If DS is, it would have been subdued long time ago. Obviously it has not and has spread so far and wide and benefiting many more people.
http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=143&catid=1&Itemid=30 (http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=143&catid=1&Itemid=30)
Look at the testimonials of how DS has benefited them http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?cat=943 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?cat=943)
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To me, the depiction of such images make no sense at all and it only goes to show that they are insecure about their own lineage and their own teachings. If their teachings are really that powerful and effective, then they do not need to create anti Dorje Shugden practices, chakras or images as their existing practices would already be powerful enough to ward Dorje Shugden off, that is seeing from their point of view that Dorje Shugden is bad. To be honest, the other lineages such as Kagyu or Sakya do not create such deities to "defend" against Dorje Shugden, nor did they need to modify their Dharma protectors for that purpose. Even the other lineages such as Palyul do not have that Dorje Drollo with the extra Dorje Shugden beneath, only the Dudjom has. Not to be rude or anything, but to the learned, it just shows insecurity.
What is the point of the whole fear of Dorje Shugden thing that is going on anyway? It would be an indirect way of saying that "My lineage is insufficient and not powerful enough to handle Dorje Shugden, therefore I need to create ways to show that he is inferior and to create new practices to ward him off so that my own lineage can grow". It indirectly means that their lineage does not contain enough teachings or is not powerful enough to ward of the "dangers" of Dorje Shugden and therefore they have to create something to stop Dorje Shugden. Why not be confident of your own lineage and practice, and pay no heed to Dorje Shugden and not be paranoid about him? Penor Rinpoche seems okay with Dorje Shugden practitioners and even allowed Shar Ganden to get provisions from them: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=2874 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=2874) and they are doing well and nothing bad has happened to them so far. They dont need a special protector against Dorje Shugden, they just do their own practice (assuming from their angle that Dorje Shugden is)
In the end, I feel, that all of these mud slinging and insecurities are not necessary. What works more effectively is that they prove themselves to be better than gelugpa and that they are not threatened or challenged by Dorje Shudgen and even until today, they have no definite proof that Dorje Shugden has harmed them in any way and yet they choose to hang on to the belief that he did. I hope that one day these images will be restored as since Dorje Shugden is wearing monks' robes which represent the vinaya and renunciation, and wears the domed hat that represents Nagajurna's perfect and flawless teachings, to step down on Dorje Shugden is to also step down on these two aspects of Buddhist teachings at the same time and that is definitely not a nice thing to proclaim.
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Sometimes this lineage thing has gone too far. It is OK and good to promote own lineage, but when it is degrading other lineage, it has gone too far.
Tibetans has such ignorance and don't even care about the feeling of others. Tibetans don't know what is religious freedom, and if anything that does not go according to what they have been told, they immediately condemn other.
If they do this to other religions, a war may have already been started. They can try to degrade other religion and see what will happen to them. They never think about the consequences.
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No matter how much I zoom in, I cant see it...
Anyway some time ago I heard a story (or maybe I read it here, I cant remember) about a monastery in Nepal which was opening. And on the altar was a statue of a deity stepping on Dorje Shugden, but the lama (the Karmapa?) who came to officiate the ceremony asked the monks who said they could put the statue there, and that it was inaccurate and then told the monks there to get rid of the statue.
Is this the same deity?
That was the 16th Karmapa. The incident is recorded in Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche’s collected works (sungbum). The deity was a different one, it was a statue of Dorje Drolo that the Karmapa came across during an inspection of the new monastery. Dorje Drolo is a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche. Similarly, this Guru Tragphur is also believe to be a wrathful manifestation of Guru Rinpoche. The Dorje Drolo that the Karmapa saw was pressing down upon a smaller figure of a monk with a round hat under his feet that resembled Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa then pointed at the statue and asked, “Who is the person that ask for this statue to be made? This isn’t Nyingma nor Sakya, certainly not Gelug and not Kagyu either. I didn’t ask for it to be made! This is not one of the deities you can rely on…” He continued, “Although the time is a little early, in the future you will definitely need to rely on this deity (Dorje Shugden).”
It looks like people do made up practise for political purposes to incite hate and segregations.
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No matter how much I zoom in, I cant see it...
Anyway some time ago I heard a story (or maybe I read it here, I cant remember) about a monastery in Nepal which was opening. And on the altar was a statue of a deity stepping on Dorje Shugden, but the lama (the Karmapa?) who came to officiate the ceremony asked the monks who said they could put the statue there, and that it was inaccurate and then told the monks there to get rid of the statue.
Is this the same deity?
No that's a different statue. That's Dorje Drolo like what Rowntree mentioned, and that the 16th Karmapa was furious when he saw the wrong image and got the monks to remove it immediately. Now, why would he do that IF it was a so-called bad spirit and said what he said? Clearly tells us who's been lying. Here's a picture of Dorje Drolo stepping on Shugden created from a very ignorant artist. If you see this form of Dorje Drolo, you will know it is considered very very wrong as there is no such thing in the scriptures and is all been made when the ban started. This is how sick these people who are blinded by CTA's lies, and probably their greed, can do. They would stoop this low to actually change the iconography of their protector to tow the line with CTA and be "politically correct" and I am sure the motivation is for money/fame.
There's a forum discussion on this and more pictures were shared here... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1809.15 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1809.15)
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There are people who would make wrathful buddhist images, that steps on beings who are in robes.
How such buddhist images can be considered holy, is quite beyond me. Stepping on a being who wears the monk robes, is bringing disrepute to the holy order of monks and nuns.
Yes a lot of such images only started when the ban began in earnest from the Dalai Lama.
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There are people who would make wrathful buddhist images, that steps on beings who are in robes.
How such buddhist images can be considered holy, is quite beyond me. Stepping on a being who wears the monk robes, is bringing disrepute to the holy order of monks and nuns.
Yes a lot of such images only started when the ban began in earnest from the Dalai Lama.
Perhaps the artist who did this was also the same one attached here: Dorje Drolo stepping onto Dorje Shugden. According to Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche, he recalled an account in his collected works (sungbum) that the 16th Karmapa came across a statue of Dorje Drolo during an inspection of the new monastery. Dorje Drolo is also a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche and this particular statue was pressing down upon a figure on his feet. The figure wore a round hat and was in robes, and resembled Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa was said to stand in the presence of the statue for a while and pointed at the statue and asked, “Who is the person that ask for this statue to be made? This isn’t Nyingma nor Sakya, certainly not Gelug and not Kagyu either. I didn’t ask for it to be made! This is not one of the deities you can rely on…” He continued, “Although the time is a little early, in the future you will definitely need to rely on this deity (Dorje Shugden).”
So to see this Guru Tragphur thangka that is supposed to be a wrathful manifestation of Guru Rinpoche, it is not surprising to know people might just have a thangka like this made for political reasons unless there is a tradition of deity stepping on a monk figure. I do not know much but when I see this thangka, I see negativities instead of a wrathful and beneficial practice.
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People will do anything and makeup anything to say Dorje Shugden is bad. That is the kind of poison the Tibetan Leadership has spread, unfortunately! Just like the anti-Shugden chakra invented by the previous Dudjom Rinpoche.
It is unbelievable, give the status of high Lama like him would actually be so low as to create such fake chakras to apparently protect people against Shugden. Take a look here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1195.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1195.0)
Quite sad to see this kind of so-called "Buddhist" teachers. It makes them look invalid and makes Buddhism look invalid, so what is the point of being Buddhist.
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My hope is many anti Dorje Shugden people can see for themselves and grow more spiritually and learn that having a Dorje Drolo image stepping on a being that wears robes is not auspicious or good or dharmic for that matter.
It is so bad of people to put Dorje Drolo stepping on a monk in robes,its bad for Dorje Drolo also for this buddha to be associated in staining monk robes.
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For those who know their stuff will know that this is not an authentic thangka. Logically, which Buddha or enlightened deity would step on a monk or person in monk's robes? It goes against whatever we know about Buddhas.
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Perhaps the artist who did this was also the same one attached here: Dorje Drolo stepping onto Dorje Shugden. According to Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche, he recalled an account in his collected works (sungbum) that the 16th Karmapa came across a statue of Dorje Drolo during an inspection of the new monastery. Dorje Drolo is also a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche and this particular statue was pressing down upon a figure on his feet. The figure wore a round hat and was in robes, and resembled Dorje Shugden. The Karmapa was said to stand in the presence of the statue for a while and pointed at the statue and asked, “Who is the person that ask for this statue to be made? This isn’t Nyingma nor Sakya, certainly not Gelug and not Kagyu either. I didn’t ask for it to be made! This is not one of the deities you can rely on…” He continued, “Although the time is a little early, in the future you will definitely need to rely on this deity (Dorje Shugden).”
Sharing the two pages from Kyabje Dagom Rinpoche's sungbum (collected works) setting out His Holiness 16th Karmapa's visit to the said monastery and his prophecy concerning the practice of Dorje Shugden. It is also very significant that (i) no one from the line of abbots and masters present at the material time dare came forward to own up to making such questionable statue of Dorje Drolo and (ii) the Karmapa ordered for the immediate removal of such questionable statue.
So to see this Guru Tragphur thangka that is supposed to be a wrathful manifestation of Guru Rinpoche, it is not surprising to know people might just have a thangka like this made for political reasons unless there is a tradition of deity stepping on a monk figure. I do not know much but when I see this thangka, I see negativities instead of a wrathful and beneficial practice.
Agreed since from a spiritual standpoint, it does not make sense that a Buddha or enlightened beings would step on a monk figure. After all, the robes worn by monks is an emblem and reminder of the Three Jewels, as is the Buddha Statue.
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This is such a horrible depiction of Guru Rinpoche stepping on a monk. A Sangha is one of the three Jewels, how can one Jewel (Buddha) step on another Jewel? This is very disrespectful to both the Buddha and the Sangha.
If Dorje Shugden is a demon or spirit, why don't they ask some high lamas to perform powerful rituals to get rid of Dorje Shugden? It cannot be Dorje Shugden is so powerful that he is indestructible. The only explanation is that Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued or sent away because he is a Buddha.
The CTA has really poisoned so many minds and made people do negative actions such as this one. Imagine, how many people who were practicing Dharma decided they don't want to practice anymore because of all these wrong information the CTA has given to them on purpose? How can the Buddha bless the CTA for their cause if what they do all this while is disparaging the Buddhas? Talking about getting their country back? Not a chance.
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This is such a horrible depiction of Guru Rinpoche stepping on a monk. A Sangha is one of the three Jewels, how can one Jewel (Buddha) step on another Jewel? This is very disrespectful to both the Buddha and the Sangha.
If Dorje Shugden is a demon or spirit, why don't they ask some high lamas to perform powerful rituals to get rid of Dorje Shugden? It cannot be Dorje Shugden is so powerful that he is indestructible. The only explanation is that Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued or sent away because he is a Buddha.
The CTA has really poisoned so many minds and made people do negative actions such as this one. Imagine, how many people who were practicing Dharma decided they don't want to practice anymore because of all these wrong information the CTA has given to them on purpose? How can the Buddha bless the CTA for their cause if what they do all this while is disparaging the Buddhas? Talking about getting their country back? Not a chance.
Yeah, the Tibetan Leaders had really made the people's mind so degenerated that they see it okay for a person in robes to be harmed in such a way. If it is a depiction of Dorje Shugden, then its harm to an enlightened being, same as harming the Buddha. No wonder they had so much negative karma to be experienced. Tibetan Leaders had really created the cause for so much negativities. The Dalai Lama is ready to go back to Tibet under China rule. He may be ready to lift the ban. If only all the great DS Lamas were to unite together for dialogue with the Dalai Lama, then so much can be accomplished.
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This is such a horrible depiction of Guru Rinpoche stepping on a monk. A Sangha is one of the three Jewels, how can one Jewel (Buddha) step on another Jewel? This is very disrespectful to both the Buddha and the Sangha.
If Dorje Shugden is a demon or spirit, why don't they ask some high lamas to perform powerful rituals to get rid of Dorje Shugden? It cannot be Dorje Shugden is so powerful that he is indestructible. The only explanation is that Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued or sent away because he is a Buddha.
The CTA has really poisoned so many minds and made people do negative actions such as this one. Imagine, how many people who were practicing Dharma decided they don't want to practice anymore because of all these wrong information the CTA has given to them on purpose? How can the Buddha bless the CTA for their cause if what they do all this while is disparaging the Buddhas? Talking about getting their country back? Not a chance.
Yeah, the Tibetan Leaders had really made the people's mind so degenerated that they see it okay for a person in robes to be harmed in such a way. If it is a depiction of Dorje Shugden, then its harm to an enlightened being, same as harming the Buddha. No wonder they had so much negative karma to be experienced. Tibetan Leaders had really created the cause for so much negativities. The Dalai Lama is ready to go back to Tibet under China rule. He may be ready to lift the ban. If only all the great DS Lamas were to unite together for dialogue with the Dalai Lama, then so much can be accomplished.
Actually, CTA is really so stupid, if Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued by any of the high lamas, what exactly are they telling the world about these high lamas plus the Dalai Lama? Useless basically. That means all these high lamas are either fake or useless and Buddha's teachings and rubbish. So why bother taking refuge with those lamas and three jewels for?
So if that is the case might as well be a Dorje Shugden practitioner because we are more powerful, Shugden is more powerful lol. How ridiculous can they get and I find it so hilarious that the westerners are just as naive as the uneducated Tibetans? Sad that they do not use the brains but rid on blind faith to help them decide what is right and wrong.
If the Dalai Lama actually has a real dialogue with Shugden lamas, I believe that they will be able to expedite his wish to return to Tibet and the preservation of Buddhism can then happen and the Tibetan people's lives will be much better. The Chinese will eventually loosen their grip on the people and will not oppress them so much.
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I can't believe another holy lineage has been desecrated by someone who thinks they know best. This artist should really need to think about how much negative karma had been created for him to create such images. They are tainting the holy lineage by creating new images of this deity which is not found in any scriptures and without any valid sources.
Another wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche, Dorje Drolo had a similar incident as well. There is a new Nyingma monastery had invited the 16th Karmapa who is one with Chenrezig to their opening ceremony of the new monastery. During the tour around to bless the monastery, Karmapa saw the statue of Dorje Drolo stepping on Dorje Shugden-like figure. He ordered for it to be removed and gave a prophecy saying that we will need to rely on Dorje Shugden in the future.
The 16th Karmapa is highly attained and his clairvoyant abilities are well known. He would have known that Dorje Drolo is incorrect and that is why he had it removed. Lama with his calibre will not be wrong and it is illogical to say they made a mistake.
You can read about the incident here. http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/karmapa/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/karmapa/)
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This is such a horrible depiction of Guru Rinpoche stepping on a monk. A Sangha is one of the three Jewels, how can one Jewel (Buddha) step on another Jewel? This is very disrespectful to both the Buddha and the Sangha.
If Dorje Shugden is a demon or spirit, why don't they ask some high lamas to perform powerful rituals to get rid of Dorje Shugden? It cannot be Dorje Shugden is so powerful that he is indestructible. The only explanation is that Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued or sent away because he is a Buddha.
The CTA has really poisoned so many minds and made people do negative actions such as this one. Imagine, how many people who were practicing Dharma decided they don't want to practice anymore because of all these wrong information the CTA has given to them on purpose? How can the Buddha bless the CTA for their cause if what they do all this while is disparaging the Buddhas? Talking about getting their country back? Not a chance.
Yeah, the Tibetan Leaders had really made the people's mind so degenerated that they see it okay for a person in robes to be harmed in such a way. If it is a depiction of Dorje Shugden, then its harm to an enlightened being, same as harming the Buddha. No wonder they had so much negative karma to be experienced. Tibetan Leaders had really created the cause for so much negativities. The Dalai Lama is ready to go back to Tibet under China rule. He may be ready to lift the ban. If only all the great DS Lamas were to unite together for dialogue with the Dalai Lama, then so much can be accomplished.
Actually, CTA is really so stupid, if Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued by any of the high lamas, what exactly are they telling the world about these high lamas plus the Dalai Lama? Useless basically. That means all these high lamas are either fake or useless and Buddha's teachings and rubbish. So why bother taking refuge with those lamas and three jewels for?
So if that is the case might as well be a Dorje Shugden practitioner because we are more powerful, Shugden is more powerful lol. How ridiculous can they get and I find it so hilarious that the westerners are just as naive as the uneducated Tibetans? Sad that they do not use the brains but rid on blind faith to help them decide what is right and wrong.
If the Dalai Lama actually has a real dialogue with Shugden lamas, I believe that they will be able to expedite his wish to return to Tibet and the preservation of Buddhism can then happen and the Tibetan people's lives will be much better. The Chinese will eventually loosen their grip on the people and will not oppress them so much.
Exactly! After so many numerous "challenge" for CTA and followers to eliminate Dorje Shugden if what they claimed that he is evil is true, they dare not or could not. Instead they harrass, discriminate and abuse his practitioners. Well, DS Lamas and practitioners are generally doing very well and DS practice had spread further and further to benefit so many around the world. The last I heard was like 4 million?? and increasing. How wonderful if the people of China was to also start practicing and then that will take it into the billions. Wow! I guess these Anti-Shugdens just missed out on Buddha's teaching "Question, question question" instead of just following like sheep into slaughter. I think even sheep would struggle but these Anti-Shugdens meekly go on collecting karma with their harsh deeds. And Yes, it will be the Dorje Shugden people who can best fulfill the Dalai Lama's wishes as they are not the trouble makers like CTA and has China's trust. China will loosen her grip if peace prevails in Tibet without the CTA, the trouble makers.
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There are many Dorje Shugden practitioners and monasteries in China. For example the Longxi Monastery in Qinghai, Jampa Ling in Chamdo, Gaden Sumtseling in Shangrila, Trijang Rinpoche's monastery in Chatreng and many more. Dorje Shugden practice is not a minor practice as claimed by the CTA.
The Dorje Shugden lamas and practitioners are people who just want to practice Dharma and they stay away from politics. The Chinese government gives a lot of support to the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas because they never make troubles, most importantly they don't create disharmony. In fact, Dorje Shugden followers in China are very respectful to the government and harmony is one of the very important values they practice.
A few years back, the Chinese government gave permission to Lama Wangchuk who is a Dorje Shugden practitioner to travel to Europe to give teachings. It is very rare for the Chinese government to allow the Sangha members to travel out. This shows the level of confidence the Chinese government has on Dorje Shugden lamas. So who gives more religious freedom? The CTA or the Chinese government?
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The creator of this thangka is blinded by his hatred and not seeing things clearly. What Ensapa said is really accurate. The thangka does not make any sense. The Dorje Shugden under Guru Tragphur is wearing monk robes and also holding a Vinaya staff. The monk robes and Vinaya staff represents the vows and Vinaya that sangha is holding which came from Buddha Shakyamuni.
It is not appropriate for Guru Tragphur to be stepping on these 2 items because it will be extremely disrespectful. How can a Buddha disrespect the Dharma? That does not make any sense. Anyone that understands the iconography will be able to tell that this thangka is fabricated and it certainly will not be authentic.
It is unbelievable that someone will go to the extent to create a totally false thangka just to put Dorje Shugden down. They deviated from their lineage when they simply change the iconography of those deities which does not match with the scriptures. This happened once during His Holiness the 16th Karmapa visit to the open ceremony of a Nyingma monastery. When the 16th Karmapa passes by a new statue of Dorje Drolo who is a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche, he gives the instruction to remove the statue because Dorje Drolo is stepping on a being that resembles Dorje Shugden which is inaccurate.
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The creator of this thangka is blinded by his hatred and not seeing things clearly. What Ensapa said is really accurate. The thangka does not make any sense. The Dorje Shugden under Guru Tragphur is wearing monk robes and also holding a Vinaya staff. The monk robes and Vinaya staff represents the vows and Vinaya that sangha is holding which came from Buddha Shakyamuni.
It is not appropriate for Guru Tragphur to be stepping on these 2 items because it will be extremely disrespectful. How can a Buddha disrespect the Dharma? That does not make any sense. Anyone that understands the iconography will be able to tell that this thangka is fabricated and it certainly will not be authentic.
It is unbelievable that someone will go to the extent to create a totally false thangka just to put Dorje Shugden down. They deviated from their lineage when they simply change the iconography of those deities which does not match with the scriptures. This happened once during His Holiness the 16th Karmapa visit to the open ceremony of a Nyingma monastery. When the 16th Karmapa passes by a new statue of Dorje Drolo who is a wrathful emanation of Guru Rinpoche, he gives the instruction to remove the statue because Dorje Drolo is stepping on a being that resembles Dorje Shugden which is inaccurate.
Many people like to be in the Dalai Lama's good book, so when the ban was imposed, some immediately go along with the Dalai Lama and do funny things. Some paint a thangka with a wrong iconography like this, some produce talisman to protect themselves from Dorje Shugden. If Dorje Shugden really is a spirit, what is so special about him that they have to do something just for him?
The best way to get rid of a spirit is to subdue him or do it like how Guru Rinpoche bound Nechung with an oath and made him a Dharma protector. There are so many high Lamas in all the Tibetan lineages, there must be one who can do the job! Why is that no one is doing it? A spirit can never be more powerful than the Buddha. If that is the case, why do we take refuge in the 3 Jewels.
It is so obvious that the ban was imposed unlawfully and the reasons the CTA gave are so illogical but because most people want to be in the Dalai Lama and the CTA's good book, they just follow blindly. Not only the Tibetans are like that, Tibetan Buddhists all around the world are like that too. Buddhism is supposed to be a religion with logic but the followers don't have any logic sense.
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Drolma, you have a point. Just because His Holiness the Dalai Lama is against it, everybody will go against it as well. They want to be seen in line with what His Holiness the Dalai Lama is doing because it will get them famous and alot of benefits if you are seen supporting His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
Anyone who seen taking a picture with His Holiness the Dalai Lama instantly gets the upper hand of credibility because of His Holiness's reputation. However, this does not mean no one ever exploited this and gave the wrong kind of people fame and credibility which can be quiet dangerous. It was exposed that one of His Holiness the Dalai Lama's man in the US had "sold" His Holiness's appearance at a cult's event.
It was later known that the cult paid 1 million to invite His Holiness to their event and speak to them. Of course, His Holiness did not have anything to do with him 1 million but it was his people who arranged it. People are willing to pay a high amount of money just to get close to His Holiness because they know what is the benefits of doing it.
The artwork here is the same where some artist trying to get on His Holiness's good side and created an image that is not according to traditional sources. It has no blessings because it is not authentic and there is no lineage or source for this deity in this form.