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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: shugdenpromoter on April 28, 2012, 02:11:53 PM
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Dear EVERYONE,
I have been observing for awhile now what Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden (current abbot of Gaden Shartse) has been doing since he was elected as an abbot in 2009. It is sad but unfortunately there are NO substantial RESULTS from him since he took over.
Reasons being:
1. He is never around in the monastery as he is busy travelling, unless of course HH visits.
2. He is not involved in any of the debates and some of the major activities of the monastery
3. He has not raised substantial funds for Gaden Shartse. Even this year, Gaden Shartse could not afford to repaint the stupa of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche & Kyabje Zong Rinpoche. Where does the fund goes to when he travels in the name of the monastery or... is it for himself?
When Lati Rinpoche used to travel for the monastery, he used to raised so much funds overseas that he gave so much money back to the monastery. Even Kensur Jampa Rinpoche and Kensur Kunshok Tsering.
You literally see new buildings and the monks welfare being taken care of from the funds they have collected. Plus they co
4. This is very interesting point is very interesting and also very revealing, Gaden Shartse website is really outdated and backdated... come on, this monastery is like the Oxford & Cambridge of the Gelugpa lineage... take a look:
http://www.gadenshartse.net/ (http://www.gadenshartse.net/)
COMPARED TO
Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden @ Current Abbot of Gaden Shartse own website.
http://www.jangchupchoeden.org/ (http://www.jangchupchoeden.org/)
WOW!!! A BIG DIFFERENCE, ISN'T IT?
The last time I checked, an abbot's main role is to promote the monastery and also make sure the monastery is OK and always looked after.
SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? Is the current Abbot here for his own agenda... to promote himself or to promote Gaden Shartse.
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Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden claims he is learned, experienced and lived a monastic life but does not assume his responsibility of a Khenpo. Certainly repercussions will catch up on him. I am saddened by his attitude and lack of care towards his fellow brother sanghas and Dratsang. He is seen to be using his opportunity and position to build up his wealth and connections for his retirement as Khenpo instead of looking after the welfare of the sanghas in Gaden. I pray he will realise that his abbotship means much more than looking after his own welfare and future.
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I heard that the abbots of monasteries like Sera Drepung and Gaden are handpicked by the Dalai Lama, therefore at these sensitive times, I am sure the criteria of appoiment of abbots could very well be politically motivated, in other words, the Dalai Lama would pick someone who can help to control the Dorje Shugden issues in the monastery, and to put it in a negative way, a puppet.
It is a very sad state, the abbot of the great Gaden Monastery used to be really attained masters like Kedrupje, Panchen Sonam Drakpa, Lati Rinpoche...but now it seems spiritual attainments are not the criteria anymore, it has become politically motivated.
From what Shugdenpromoted said, it seems the current abbot really does not have what it takes to lead the monastery, he may be a learned Geshe, but that's all, it does not mean he is kind enough to care about the welfare of the monastery.
Another dry scholar who goes nowhere, I really hope his term of abbotship ends prematurely, sorry. His actions really bring down the prestige of the great Gaden.
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The disciplinarian of Gaden Shartze Monastery to which Jangchup Choeden belongs to scolded the abbot. Yes you heard correctly. During the puja gathering of monks, the disciplinarian Geshe Jangchup Dorje in front of the sangha said the abbot is rarely around, does not give classe, take in students, train students, improve the facilities of Gaden, attend debates sessions to oversee, does not raise funds for the needs of the Gaden Shartze sangha. The sangha of Gaden Shartze are unhappy with the abbot and awaiting for him to resign.
This abbot Jangchup Choeden is a student of Kensur Jampa Yeshe and Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, yet he speaks against Shugden asking monks to renounce Shugden's practice. He does his best to join in on all Dalai Lama talks and teachings around the world neglecting his duties at Gaden. He wants to be seen with the Dalai Lama as much as possible. He has gone on personal fundraising tours in America and Europe to raise funds for himself but never for the sangha-for this he has a very bad reputation. It's time for him to practice the dharma of all the teachings he has already received. He is now 47 years old and when he was chosen by Dalai Lama as Abbot of Gaden Shartze all the sangha was shocked and taken aback when there are so many senior and learned Geshes available. But it is clear now, he was chosen as he will fall in line with the destruction of the Shugden lineage or rather the policies on the ban on Shugden.
The Gaden Shartze Abbot's political agenda perhaps makes him look good now in the eyes of CTA, but eventually he will lose his position and retire without the respect of the sangha. As of now, they are already waiting for him to retire and let someone dedicated to the welfare of Tsongkapa's doctrine and Gaden ascend the throne of Gaden Shartze Monastery. I am apologetic to say, I hope a new abbot will arise should this abbot not change his direction. The ban on Shugden has promoted people in positions that they should never have been given.
He takes more interest in his own blog site than the whole website of Gaden Shartze Monastery which is very dated. The abbot speaks and writes English and understands the power of social media, yet does nothing for Shartze's website.
Abbot's private blog:
http://www.msullivangraphics.com/jangchoe/Khen%20Rinpoche%20%20Jangchup%20Choeden%20Biography.htm (http://www.msullivangraphics.com/jangchoe/Khen%20Rinpoche%20%20Jangchup%20Choeden%20Biography.htm)
Gaden Shartze's website:
http://www.gadenshartse.net/ (http://www.gadenshartse.net/)
TK
(photo of Abbot of Gaden Shartze Monastery)
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Oh no. This is very sad to hear indeed. It is sad to hear that there are monks, who despite much studies in the Dharma still decide to do something of this nature. It has been very clearly outlined in the Lamrim and also many other teachings that taking what belongs to the sangha and not performing the duties will result in the birth of the very painful temporal hells. Hundreds of monks in Ganden Shartse suffer due to his recklessness!
How can it be that the CTA allows this sort of behavior to persist just because he tows in line with their policy? this is so illogical at so many levels! This is no longer about Dorje Shugden. This is no longer about towing in line with the policies, but this is more evidence that the CTA does not hesitate to destroy Dharma for their own purposes and reasons, whatever they may be. And they want to rule Tibet proper? NEVER.
Even communist china manage to give their choice of Panchen Lama a proper Geshe education and he has grown up to be a very knowledgable lama in his own right. China is now restoring the many temples they once destroyed due to misguidance. China is allowing Tibetan Buddhists in Tibet to build monuments as long as it is within the city council's approval. What did CTA do again? so why criticize China?
Even tho this abbot has created unbelievable amounts of negative karma, the karma still falls back on the people who allowed him to assume this position and it will be the very cause of CTA degenerating even further into nothing but a mere society. THAT DAY WILL HAPPEN. The ban on Dorje Shugden does not help anyone, but helps the CTA to create more and more unfortunate circumstances for themselves. They better start painting signs that say Tibetan Political Society. No more CTA for you even! bye bye!
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After reading this article, I am in shock how the current abbot of Gaden Shartse monastery can abandon the interests of the entire sangha of Shartse and focus on things that go against the teachings of Dharma - i.e the 'self', politics, not showing care and compassion! How can the abbot, who has the status akin to a prime minister and the responsibility for the nation, not have the interests of the entire Sangha under him as primary priority. Where's the pratice of the 8 verses of thought transformation, the correct leadership that the Abbot should show to the Sangha so that they should all aspire to his qualities? A leader with no respect is doomed to fail.
Anyways, I went to both sites to check it out. The Gaden Shartse website is really backwards as compared to the website belonging to Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden. And you know what I am more surprised about? In Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden's website.. I can't even find any particular section stating his role in Gaden Shartse or even promoting Gaden Shartse! How to raise funds for the monastery if it is not even mentioned in his site? Clearly shows what his motivation is.
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What makes me very disturbed is that there are so many more qualified Geshe Lharampa who are more qualified and have shown devotion to Gaden Shartse then this current abbot. In my eyes and many more, they would have made fantastic abbot.
However, because of the political situation, they are not chosen. Before the current abbot was elected, I was told that the monks was NOT PERMITTED to submit names from Dokhang Khamtsen (Trijang Rinpoche Khamtsen) due to obvious reasons.
CTA has permitted one of their main assets ie the monastery to be disrupted in the name of politics. Silly.
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It's unheard off until I read this article that an Abott of Ganden Shartse has his own personal agenda instead of caring and raising funds for his Monastery. The world is degrading so much that this is happening in a very respected Monastery. It definitely reflect very badly on the Abott and the Monastery. Are there a ways for the Monastery Sangha member address issue and get the Abott replaced?
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I quote from a book:
'Many meditators, scholars, monks happily forego good food and clothing, and live a simple life, yet they remain attached to a good reputation, whuch is hardest to give up. Above the entrance to the cave it may say, "Retreat in progress. Do not disturb." but inside the retreatant is hoping for recognition as a great meditator.' The scholar has hopes of acclaim for his great knowledge and the monk for his pure morality. Such thoughts attract obstacles and prevent anything valuable from being accomplished.
And this will be the downfall of Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden if he continues to live selfish life. Not only he will lose his reputation but also lose the opportunity to garner more merits in the times to come. The 'job' of an abbot is so noble as to be able to take charge of the thousands of monks in Gaden Shartze.
Gaden Monastery was built by the great Lord Tsongkhapa himself, how fortunate for Khenpo Rinpoche to helm the role of abbot but what a disgrace he abuses his position for his own fame and does not use his skills and position for the betterment of his fellow monks and monastery.
It is really sad to see religion is being influenced by politics. There must be a separation between the two for everyone to progress in their practice!
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From Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden’s biography in his website, we can see that he is very learned and qualified, knows English and Mandarin, trained under many high lamas of Gaden Shartse Monastery and he traveled extensively around the World to serve others.
With such outstanding resume, one would expect the abbot to take good care of his own monastery. But that is not so judging from all the unfavourable and negative comments from this thread about Khenpo Rinpoche. If all these comments are true, then it is very unbecoming of an abbot from Gaden Shartse Monastery!
If the sangha is already unhappy and awaiting for his resignation, why is Khenpo Rinpoche not addressing this problem and still remain an abbot until today?
If Khenpo Rinpoche is a mere puppet of the political agenda that is anti-Dorje Shugden, whose main priority is to please HH Dalai Lama, CTA and his own personal agenda, then it is truly very fortunate for the future development of Gaden Shartse Monastery!
Why would Khenpo Rinpoche bother to serve others outside the monastery than serving his own sangha community? Has Khenpo Rinpoche forgotten about the welfare of the Gaden Shartse Monastery’s sangha?
However we hope there is still slight good quality remaining from Khenpo Rinpoche i.e. to have the interest of the Gaden Shartze Monastery's sangha first than anything else because that’s amongst the job functions of an abbot.
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The disciplinarian of Gaden Shartze Monastery to which Jangchup Choeden belongs to scolded the abbot. Yes you heard correctly. During the puja gathering of monks, the disciplinarian Geshe Jangchup Dorje in front of the sangha said the abbot is rarely around, does not give classe, take in students, train students, improve the facilities of Gaden, attend debates sessions to oversee, does not raise funds for the needs of the Gaden Shartze sangha. The sangha of Gaden Shartze are unhappy with the abbot and awaiting for him to resign.
This abbot Jangchup Choeden is a student of Kensur Jampa Yeshe and Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, yet he speaks against Shugden asking monks to renounce Shugden's practice. He does his best to join in on all Dalai Lama talks and teachings around the world neglecting his duties at Gaden. He wants to be seen with the Dalai Lama as much as possible. He has gone on personal fundraising tours in America and Europe to raise funds for himself but never for the sangha-for this he has a very bad reputation. It's time for him to practice the dharma of all the teachings he has already received. He is now 47 years old and when he was chosen by Dalai Lama as Abbot of Gaden Shartze all the sangha was shocked and taken aback when there are so many senior and learned Geshes available. But it is clear now, he was chosen as he will fall in line with the destruction of the Shugden lineage or rather the policies on the ban on Shugden.
The Gaden Shartze Abbot's political agenda perhaps makes him look good now in the eyes of CTA, but eventually he will lose his position and retire without the respect of the sangha. As of now, they are already waiting for him to retire and let someone dedicated to the welfare of Tsongkapa's doctrine and Gaden ascend the throne of Gaden Shartze Monastery. I am apologetic to say, I hope a new abbot will arise should this abbot not change his direction. The ban on Shugden has promoted people in positions that they should never have been given.
He takes more interest in his own blog site than the whole website of Gaden Shartze Monastery which is very dated. The abbot speaks and writes English and understands the power of social media, yet does nothing for Shartze's website.
Abbot's private blog:
[url]http://www.msullivangraphics.com/jangchoe/Khen%20Rinpoche%20%20Jangchup%20Choeden%20Biography.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.msullivangraphics.com/jangchoe/Khen%20Rinpoche%20%20Jangchup%20Choeden%20Biography.htm[/url])
Gaden Shartze's website:
[url]http://www.gadenshartse.net/[/url] ([url]http://www.gadenshartse.net/[/url])
TK
(photo of Abbot of Gaden Shartze Monastery)
HOW AGGRAVATING TO READ ABOUT. This is so exemplary of the abuse of spiritual authority and power.
If he is so against Dorje Shugden, then WHY DID HE ALLOW SHAR GADEN TO PAY AND TO PAINT THE KYABJE ZONG AND KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE STUPA! So hypocritical. It shows how little he cares about Gaden Shartse monastery.
In the post about Trijang Rinpoche's unqualified manager (Ridzin), many people (including me) said that it's out of compassion that high lamas keep difficult students around. The more difficult the student, the more compassionate the guru is.
However, how is it possible that Jangchup Choeden became the abbot of Gaden Shartse? Why was it allowed by the senior teachers? Is it perhaps that all the negative karma accumulated by kicking out old lamas during the Shugden ban caught up with Gaden Shartse monastery, i.e. kick out all the sincere Dharma monks, now they don't have a sincere abbot?
Is it possible to expel the abbot, or to vote him out?
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It is a very sad state, the abbot of the great Gaden Monastery used to be really attained masters like Kedrupje, Panchen Sonam Drakpa, Lati Rinpoche...but now it seems spiritual attainments are not the criteria anymore, it has become politically motivated.
Oh dear, one of the most elite monastery in the world of Buddhism could just degenerated in such a short period of time due to the misconduct or misguidance of a abbot. I have heard much about Gaden not supporting the Shugden issues but never know the abbot can be such a great disappointment. After all, is it their karmic repercussion for them because they turned their backs on their gurus because of the Shugden's issues? How they actually choose to chase the Shugden practitioners out and made their sworn in, all the disharmony and politics and schism within the Sangha community... Sad.
It seems like a big joke to me that it seems like whoever follows the foot step of CTA ended up like CTA. I can only say, how depressing!
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I find it very interesting that HHDL appointed Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden as the Abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery knowing that the monastery will suffer as a result of his selfish pursuits. The ban on Dorje Shugden must lead to much bigger benefits. Otherwise, why would HHDL allow Gaden to suffer and lose out so much under such an irresponsible Abbot?
Or is HHDL giving the Abbot an opportunity to transform? Whatever the real reason may be, it is a shame that Gaden is neglected and suffering. Does anyone know whether the monks in Gaden are allowed to collectively write in to HHDL to request for a change in the Abbotship due to obvious reasons?
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oh no... very depressing news to know. One of the key monastery of Gelugpa lineage is degenerating and all caused by their own people. We all know this famous monastery was the mother monastery of Lama Tsongkhapa, it's very famous to educate famous Lamas and Geshe, personally i think it could be name the factory of Geshes.
But because of the political issue, the ban of Dorje Shugden, Geshes and Lamas are not allow to teach, to study nor to stay in the monastery. So why do you allow to take their money for your own use ? Gaden Shartse have your own abbot which is a qualified Geshe too, and he can speak and write in many different languages, why don't you ask him to raise fund for the monastery ? Why do you take Dorje Shugden's money ? From this "clear sign", it means that the Shartse'? Khenpo also practice DS, or why he will take money from DS.
So why CTA???????Shartse abbot??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????CTA or anyone from Shartse who claims against Dorje Shugden, please don't ever say you are so good. You have money, help and resources from Dorje Shugden and after you used him, u say he's a demon. You are not nice at all. Whether Dorje Shugden is a demon or not, I'm not too sure. But one thing I'm sure of is whoever used others and not remembering their kindness is creating very bad karma for sure.
If Shartse wanted to go back to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche or Kensur Lati RInpoche's time, this is the time to really think carefully. DS might be small now, but from the growing of DS lineage, and HH. Kyabje Trijang Choktrol Rinpoche is gaining much more wisdom and experience in sutra and tantra. The DS lineage will surely grow.
Shartse can still stuck with CTA for now, but with no respect who will support CTA when HHDL is not anymore.
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oh no... very depressing news to know. One of the key monastery of Gelugpa lineage is degenerating and all caused by their own people. We all know this famous monastery was the mother monastery of Lama Tsongkhapa, it's very famous to educate famous Lamas and Geshe, personally i think it could be name the factory of Geshes.
But because of the political issue, the ban of Dorje Shugden, Geshes and Lamas are not allow to teach, to study nor to stay in the monastery. So why do you allow to take their money for your own use ? Gaden Shartse have your own abbot which is a qualified Geshe too, and he can speak and write in many different languages, why don't you ask him to raise fund for the monastery ? Why do you take Dorje Shugden's money ? From this "clear sign", it means that the Shartse'? Khenpo also practice DS, or why he will take money from DS.
So why CTA?allow Geshe Jangchup Choeden as the abbot of the?most scared monastery of Gelugpa. CTA or anyone from Shartse who claims against Dorje Shugden, please don't ever say that anymore. You have money, help and resources from Dorje Shugden and after you used him, u say he's a demon. You are not nice at all. Whether Dorje Shugden is a demon or not, I'm not too sure. But one thing I'm sure of is whoever used others and not remembering their kindness is creating very bad karma.
If Shartse wanted to go back to Kensur Jampa Yeshe Rinpoche or Kensur Lati RInpoche's time, this is the time to really think carefully. DS might be small now, but from the growing of DS lineage, and HH. Kyabje Trijang Choktrol Rinpoche is gaining much more wisdom and experience in sutra and tantra. The DS lineage will surely grow.
Shartse can still stuck with CTA for now, but with no respect who will support CTA when HHDL is not anymore.
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This is very worrying for Lama Tsongkhapa's institution to hear this. This is what happens when politics seeps into spiritual organisation. I mean if the elite lamas of the Gelug tradition leaves the monasteries this is what happens cant they see how much trouble is Gaden Shartse getting into. So much lineage , knowledge, tradition, initiations have left the halls of Shartse since the split.
I hear the monks in Serpom is very strict in their discipline and how they conduct themselves as they really struggled when they first came out of sera. Yes it is a real shame how can the top learning universities website look like how it is like now, where is the sense appropriateness!!
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The disciplinarian of Gaden Shartze Monastery to which Jangchup Choeden belongs to scolded the abbot. Yes you heard correctly. During the puja gathering of monks, the disciplinarian Geshe Jangchup Dorje in front of the sangha said the abbot is rarely around, does not give classe, take in students, train students, improve the facilities of Gaden, attend debates sessions to oversee, does not raise funds for the needs of the Gaden Shartze sangha. The sangha of Gaden Shartze are unhappy with the abbot and awaiting for him to resign.
This abbot Jangchup Choeden is a student of Kensur Jampa Yeshe and Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, yet he speaks against Shugden asking monks to renounce Shugden's practice. He does his best to join in on all Dalai Lama talks and teachings around the world neglecting his duties at Gaden. He wants to be seen with the Dalai Lama as much as possible. He has gone on personal fundraising tours in America and Europe to raise funds for himself but never for the sangha-for this he has a very bad reputation. It's time for him to practice the dharma of all the teachings he has already received. He is now 47 years old and when he was chosen by Dalai Lama as Abbot of Gaden Shartze all the sangha was shocked and taken aback when there are so many senior and learned Geshes available. But it is clear now, he was chosen as he will fall in line with the destruction of the Shugden lineage or rather the policies on the ban on Shugden.
The Gaden Shartze Abbot's political agenda perhaps makes him look good now in the eyes of CTA, but eventually he will lose his position and retire without the respect of the sangha. As of now, they are already waiting for him to retire and let someone dedicated to the welfare of Tsongkapa's doctrine and Gaden ascend the throne of Gaden Shartze Monastery. I am apologetic to say, I hope a new abbot will arise should this abbot not change his direction. The ban on Shugden has promoted people in positions that they should never have been given.
He takes more interest in his own blog site than the whole website of Gaden Shartze Monastery which is very dated. The abbot speaks and writes English and understands the power of social media, yet does nothing for Shartze's website.
Abbot's private blog:
[url]http://www.msullivangraphics.com/jangchoe/Khen%20Rinpoche%20%20Jangchup%20Choeden%20Biography.htm[/url] ([url]http://www.msullivangraphics.com/jangchoe/Khen%20Rinpoche%20%20Jangchup%20Choeden%20Biography.htm[/url])
Gaden Shartze's website:
[url]http://www.gadenshartse.net/[/url] ([url]http://www.gadenshartse.net/[/url])
TK
(photo of Abbot of Gaden Shartze Monastery)
I personally echo what TK has said not because I listen to just hearsay but I am a close supporter of this Lama as well until I heard of news recently of how this Khenpo has ill treated the monks of Shartse. Initially I thought it was just mere hearsay but things came into sight which I found out recently matched the rumours which were hovering some time back.
Khenpo is ALWAYS on trips all over the world and his main concern is just to please HHDL and nothing else. He has been busy for many months to a year now 'raising funds' for HHDL to come to Gaden to teach and he 'stresses' himself all year round with his students and supporters abroad re this. Little do we know that within the monastery walls, there's so much to be done but there is so much lacking.
When will this man, put to power by HHDL rise to his role?
BTW, I overheard it from the mouth of the abbot himself that he's looking forward to his retirement!
Khenpo with Dearest HHDL some years back when HHDL came to Gaden, which created more disharmony than good......sigh
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Oh dear this extremely depressing to know!
I cannot imagine the accumulative negative karma CTA and this Abot will be getting when the show is over. Now he may be basking in his glory but soon it will all catch up. You wonder if He even knows about karma? Does he think He will have the same support, treatment and respect as he is getting now after he is no longer an Abbot. And once he finishes his Abbotship ends does he think the CTA will continue to care for him?
This sure shows how Dharma is degenerating from within and how Tibetans are causing the downfall of their most precious asset - Spirituality. Shameful indeed.
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There is only one thing I can rely on regarding DS issues and its this forum and its varied and many contributors. Thank you.
Gaden Shartse is always in my heart and prayers not because of it being a special place (which it is) but because of ALL the people that have made it what it is today.
Abott I humbly request you take into consideration the ALL part of the equation (ALL the Sangha)...the senior monks in India and many who died in exodus 1959, kind sponsors from around the world - who have Donated and Helped in many ways because they wished to preserve and expand Gaden.
The living Gaden is the hearts and minds of ALL the Sangha who are in your care. That is the real Gaden everyone see's when they come for the first time. Not the buildings or holy places, relics etc...In my humble opinion they are the end results of the living Buddha's walking amongst us (some with titles some not).
Wouldn't you want to have the walking, talking, living version? Of course you would, anything else would come in a poor second. Who will replace the senior monks of the same calibre? (living knowledge holders to pass to the next generation of teachers).
So back to my point, the job of the Abott is to inspire and grow the dharma in the hearts and minds of ALL the Sangha. Also it is our collective responsibilty as DS practitioners to keep our practice and vows clean, YES it is sad situation for sure but...
What is dharma but another opportunity to practice - Life is impermanent...Karma is absolute.
Thank you again for keeping us informed as always! :D
xo
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I have been thinking about this issue and I have been pondering on HHDL's decision to put such a person in charge even when this person will obviously be causing a lot of damage to himself and others, and also generating a huge amount of negative karma for people who put him there and allow him to stay. How can HHDL do such a thing and cause his own tradition to degenerate knowingly?
Perhaps, just maybe, HHDL is trying to show that following the ban blindly with no investigation, and also to blindly do things just to please others politically will lead to nothing but destruction, wrong directions and unfortunate results. It is a very long and painful lesson with many casualties in more ways than one, but perhaps this is the only way where CTA and the tibetans will learn what they need to.
The real Ganden is the Ganden where the monks hold their vows and practice the pure lineage that has been handed down by Shakyamuni, all the way to Tsongkhapa, to Pabongkha and to us. The real Ganden does not allow political issues veiled in religion to affect the welfare of monks and the quality and integrity of the sangha and focuses purely on the Dharma rather than focusing on pleasing leaders for whatever reason.
I have a feeling that this abbot will not serve his full tenure. Something will happen in some way that will cause him to lose his abbotship but in a very, very humiliating and dishonorable way. Perhaps this is what HHDL is intending, and it is going that direction karmically and now all the situation needs is a trigger for the karma to be triggered for the movies to start..
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At first I have some doubt about the accusation toward Jangchup Choeden, but after comparing his own website and the monastery website, it is very hard to defend that he has done a very poor job as an abbot in promoting the monastery.
I have a few questions though: Is the abbot appointed by one person? Or selected by a panel? What is the system? If it is appointed by one person, is that HH Dalai Lama?
If Dalai Lama is Chenrezig and all knowing compassion, why would he appoint an abbot who does not do his job and cause the monastery to suffer? Is that because of the bad collective karma of the people?
On the other hand, I like the Shar Gaden website. It is not very fancy, but it is new, and well maintained:
http://shargadenpa.org/ (http://shargadenpa.org/) and it has social media too!! :)
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At first I have some doubt about the accusation toward Jangchup Choeden, but after comparing his own website and the monastery website, it is very hard to defend that he has done a very poor job as an abbot in promoting the monastery.
I have a few questions though: Is the abbot appointed by one person? Or selected by a panel? What is the system? If it is appointed by one person, is that HH Dalai Lama?
If Dalai Lama is Chenrezig and all knowing compassion, why would he appoint an abbot who does not do his job and cause the monastery to suffer? Is that because of the bad collective karma of the people?
On the other hand, I like the Shar Gaden website. It is not very fancy, but it is new, and well maintained:
[url]http://shargadenpa.org/[/url] ([url]http://shargadenpa.org/[/url]) and it has social media too!! :)
For Sera, Ganden and Drepung, they submit the list of all Geshes to Dalai Lama and Dalai Lama chooses the Abbot. There is no voting. There is no other process. It should be Gaden Tripa (head of the Gelugs) who picks the Abbot, but he is not given this power. The Dalai Lama himself handpicks the abbots.
TK
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This is certainly shocking news about the abbot of this famous monastic university. If politics are entering these supposedly spiritual havens, where do we go from here? Why does HH the Dalai Lama, who is not the head of the Gelugpa school (HH the Gaden Tripa is the supreme head of the Gelugpa school) select the Abbot and not let it be a democratically elected position? If it is an appointment, surely it should be done by the Gaden Tripa - the throneholder of Tsongkhapa on earth? I thought that Tsongkhapa created the Gelugpa school which is based on meritocracy rather than incarnation status precisely so that the best qualified can reach the highest position in the Gelug tradition. However it seems that in this case, someone not qualified can become an abbot simply because he tows the party line? We truly live in degenerate times.
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For Sera, Ganden and Drepung, they submit the list of all Geshes to Dalai Lama and Dalai Lama chooses the Abbot. There is no voting. There is no other process. It should be Gaden Tripa (head of the Gelugs) who picks the Abbot, but he is not given this power. The Dalai Lama himself handpicks the abbots.
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But what if HHDL's candidate falls in line with HHDL's policies but harms everyone else like in this case? What would happen? Will HHDL personally remove this abbot publicly or will he turn a blind eye and continue to allow the sangha to suffer? And the karmic repercussion that this so called abbot accumulates wont be a small amount either. It would be quite scary to even think about what would happen to him.
In the lamrim, it talks about monks who eats food offered to the sangha without dedicating them first being reborn in a temporal hell, taking the form of a large creature that is in constant pain and suffering. But this person seems to be misusing the sangha's trust in him as well as the money and goodwill that is allocated to the sangha for his own personal gains and needs...i wonder where will that lead him to?
If HHDL's choices are based entirely on who follows his commands, and it does not matter if the person that follows is capable or not, this is dangerous as it would mean that anyone at all could take the position of the abbot as long as they followed HHDL's views and it wouldnt matter if this person were to burn down the entire monastery because HHDL picked him...? thats kinda scary to me.
Does HHDL intend to dilute or surpress the gelugs's power and influence in this way by using incompetent abbots? This was the exact same method employed by the communist vietnamese government during the 1960s where Buddhist temples were impregnated with gangsters and hooligans to dilute its influence over the people until the monk immolated himself to protest the rule.
Are the other lineages so insecure that they had to allow or pressure HHDL to do something of this nature? I hope that HHDL does not intend to do so just to level Gelug down with the other lineages to the point that gelug can no longer recover but it seems to be heading that way, although serpom and shar ganden would ensure that all of us would have a pure and untainted lineage even if this happens...
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I have heard of similar accounts from contacts in the Tibetan circle and I am not surprised. Many years ago, at one of the teachings of Kyabje Lati Rinpoche, I met Jangchup Choeden. Back then he was not appointed as the abbot for Gaden Shartse but words has it that he will be picked as the one. I wanted to make offerings to Kyabje Lati Rinpoche after the teaching but he did not make it easy for me to do so. Yes, he is bilingually fluent in English and Mandarin and was the translator during the talk. Ever since, I have thought and still think that he is not quality material, sorry.
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After reading the article by tk, I clicked into the two links provided. I was very impressed by the private blog of abbot Jangchup Choeden. It looks like he has spent a lot of effort in it. Since he is the abbot of Gaden Shartze, I expected the website of the monastery would also be of the same ,if not better organised with much information and details. But sad to say, they are world apart. I agree with tk that he takes more interest in his own blog than that of the monastery. It is also so disheartening to read another story about a student not continuing the practice of his teachers but urging other monks to renounce Shugden's practice. It is very obvious why he was picked when there are more suitable and qualified candidates.
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My monk friends in Dokhang Khamsen tell me that Geshe Jangchup Choeden is a fine geshe. Well read, well learned and fully capable. Unfortunately, he is not respected in the monastery as he doesnt contribute towards the monastery's growth at all, not as a normal Geshe and certainly not as Abbot. He is reluctant to have students - why? You'd think that students would raise his profile and esteem but its too much work and detracts from his travelling all over the world.
I took a look at his blog and had a sad laugh... Nothing about Shartse but everything about the Abbot. Even on his facebook page, he titles himself as Abbot. Where is the humility?
http://www.facebook.com/GasharKhenRinpoche (http://www.facebook.com/GasharKhenRinpoche) (what happens when he is no longer the Abbot?)
Thank you TK for clarifying how abbots are elected. It is a surprise to me that the Gelug Abbot is chosen by the Dalai Lama instead of the Ganden Tripa. If other lineages do not extend the Dalai Lama the privilege of electing THEIR abbots, why does the Gelugpa acquiesce? Is it on the basis that the Dalai Lama is the head of Tibet?
That being the case, now that Dalai Lama is no longer in power, who will choose the next Abbots? Not Lobsang Sangay surely. Will the Ganden Tripa be allowed to assume his rightful role to select the Abbot of the Gelugpa monasteries? To choose the candidate that will BEST further the growth of the Gelugpa teachings instead of a political puppet? Will the Gaden Tripa do something NOW instead of allowing Ganden Shartse to further languish in the uncaring hands of the current Abbot?
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Well, we all know that being academically sound in Dharma never necessarily equates to being a good practitioner. It is well known within the monasteries that geshes aren't respected merely for having attained this level of study, but for their practice and what they do with what they have studied. Since the highest practice is teaching - as so many of the previous abbots have been so well respected for - then a monk gains the greatest respect for this, and for making the teachings more available to even more monks (or laypeople). As the Abbot of such a grand monastic education institute, surely the priority must be in education - improving resources for this, funding for the monks' learning, creating conducive conditions for them to receive the best kind of education - perhaps bringing in foreign language teachers, for example, so that new generations might be trained up to bring the teachings to the rest of the world.
This is presumptuous of me to say, of course. I do not purpose to be better than the abbot. But what I said about teaching being the highest practice is definitely true, and not something I determine myself. Lama Tsongkhapa's very mudra is one of teaching!
Hearing about this abbot is all the more saddening for what we know about what has been happening to other other highly practice, attained and devoted Lamas. The expulsion of the old Kensur of Jangtze springs immediately to mind and the huge disparity it represents: how is it just or logical that an Abbot emeritus with so much devotion for his monastery is removed upon a mere suspicion, and Jangchup Choeden is allowed to continue on the way he is? See the discussion about that here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1068.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1068.0)
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I guess now it is official that Ganden has gone political with the whole ban thing where the people who are qualified to be the abbot are not chosen, but instead someone who is politically aligned with HHDL and the CTA is chosen instead even if it means that this person is far from qualified or if this person does not deserve the post. That is politics and it is sad to see that this has surfaced in Ganden, of all places.
However, it does seem a bit odd that HHDL would do something like that to Tsongkhapa's seat. Perhaps he is trying to teach the other abbots a huge lesson, that being politically correct and kissing up to HHDL does not bring happiness and long term benefit but such practice will only result in things going down? Because to me it seems that that is what that has been happening before this and HHDL wants to put a stop to that.
I wouldnt say that I would be a better abbot or not, but in this case, results show and the entire monastery is burdened and suffering due to the actions of this abbot who seems to care for himself more while neglecting the rest of the monastery and allowing things to go broken. He likes to be seen with HHDL, but with his behavior it would only make himself look bad, on how little he has improved despite hanging out with HHDL so much.
I am not saying anything, but wouldnt there be better choices for the position of the abbot where they would actually take care of the welfare of the monastery? Or that the more qualified abbots have not been chosen due to the political issue, and due to that the entire monastery has to suffer? I dont think that is justified, but perhaps HHDL is manifesting this condition to burn this painful lesson into the minds of the current practitioners..
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Surely if you guys are going to give respect to the Dalai lama who has created a schism within the Sangha not seen since the days of well ever, Then surely this Abbot deserves some respect as well.
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yes, its not only depressing to know, but alarming. imagine after he retires and looks back what he has done for this appointment during his period in managing the Gaden Shartse. He will be kensur by the way...how would he feel. A friend of mine visited the monastery not long before. He was saddened by the state of the monastery he is more concern about the hygiene of the surrounding and especially breeding of mosquitoes.
He also asked, other than Dharma studies...the monks should also be educated on the hygiene practices and "No littering" or "Monastery cleaning for a day". i personally think that an abbot should plan and execute for the benefits of the monastery as priorities....current and future at least up to his term of appointment.
Will DL be "sad" if khenpo is just concerned about raising funds for him to come to teach and neglect the monastery which is the welfare of many monks and who are going to spread the teaching of Buddhas. I believe this Abbot can bring many benefits to the monastery if he wishes to because he is learned and able to speak the international language "English". I sincerely pray that Khen Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden is able to have plans for Shartse. And most importantly, i hope he is aware that Gaden Shartse is not alone and there are buddhist communities observing how he is serving his appointment.
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As long as the abbot of Ganden and all the monasteries follow the wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, things will only work out for the better in the long run. There is no doubt in this. Without His Holiness and all his hard work for the past 50 years, Ganden and most monasteries would have never survived. Hard cold facts.
The Abbot whoever he is should carry out His Holiness' wishes compeletely.
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As long as the abbot of Ganden and all the monasteries follow the wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, things will only work out for the better in the long run. There is no doubt in this. Without His Holiness and all his hard work for the past 50 years, Ganden and most monasteries would have never survived. Hard cold facts.
The Abbot whoever he is should carry out His Holiness' wishes compeletely.
What do you mean carry out His Holiness's wishes completely? Like abandoning the welfare of the monastery to promote himself? Position himself as Dalai Lama's lapdog while many, many monks suffer and the condition of the monastery deteriorates greatly as a result? Allowing more and more monks get sick and die due to neglect? Is that what it would turn out if he "follow" His Holiness's wishes by doing just that and abandoning his duties that his position dictates him to do?
I notice one recurring theme in the failure of CTA to manifest as a proper government, and the lack of development of Dharamsala, their only property/piece of land that they are supposed to govern, as well as many other anti Shugden crusaders who are not spiritually advanced themselves: Follow HHDL's instructions, and everything will be fine which means we dont need to do what we're supposed to do.
Dalai Lama's advice always gives and brings about great benefit but it is the students who misinterpret and carry it out in the wrong way that it is okay to abandon their work and their responsibilities and all they need to do is to solely follow HHDL's advice. Well, HHDL also told his disciples to examine whatever they were told, including his own advice to see if it is valid. I dont see many people doing that.
Perhaps, His Holiness's advice is meant to be taken together with doing regular duties and not abandon those responsibilities as well. It is better to follow His Holiness's advice all the way rather than just follow whatever we like and abandon whatever we dont like because incomplete advices often yield incomplete results and half past six students. Better follow all the way.
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It's very sad news that monks are having to choose sides instead of dedicating time and focus on study, debates, teaching, etc., And this is no ordinary monk but the abbot of the great monastery of Je Tsongkhapa!
What is he gaining from all of these that far outweighs looking after the affair of the monastery and the many sangha members? Just for face? Monetary gain? Political power? What will become of him when his term is over? Will he be respected in his own monastery?
What would you do if you were in his shoes?
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As long as the abbot of Ganden and all the monasteries follow the wishes of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, things will only work out for the better in the long run. There is no doubt in this. Without His Holiness and all his hard work for the past 50 years, Ganden and most monasteries would have never survived. Hard cold facts.
The Abbot whoever he is should carry out His Holiness' wishes compeletely.
This is sad but truth. The best example is with the recent Do Sar Khangtsen issue (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1821.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1821.0)). His Holiness has asked Gaden Jangtse to sponsor the building for this Khamtsen and they have to do so. A new Khangtsen can just happen / be built with His Holiness' instructions. That means, a monastery can also be closed with one instructions.
I understand the abbot has no choice but to follow/ conduct himself adhering to the ban, but what has that got to do with never being around in the monastery, not involved in the debates and major activities of the monastery and not raising substantial funds for the monastery?
I do not expect a Khedrup-je nor Panchen Sonam Drakpa to lead Gaden Shartse monastery, but as the abbot, not being around for the debates and major activities of the monastery? Why? :o :o :o
So if the abbot is being such a good "follower" of CTA, surely he can be skillful enough to get some fundings for the monastery from the CTA?
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Hello this cannot be right! What none sense... you mean to say that it is okay to ignore the monastery you are heading? It is okay if your own monastery have no funds and during official events, you as the head does not need to be there to show support and to show you even care??? What kind of head is that, might as well not have a head? It's like saying the principal of my uni does not need to be around during official events and graduations... unheard off. I mean if he is busy traveling with HHDL and raising funds for the monastery, that would be fine.
Yes understand that you need to abide in HHDL's rules and regulations and all that jazz... but certainly does not mean you totally neglect your monastery!?! It is a clear sign to me that this Abbot is definitely here to just rub shoulders with those in power, promote himself, and this is quite sad for it is only temporary. Even people not in Dharma or not a monk do not do that. It is quite disgraceful and very sad for Gaden Shartse. He is definitely not for the sangha of which he is suppose to look after as a "head". Shall we put it out there on FB and tweet and take a vote to see if this is acceptable?
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I just checked the Gaden Shartse website.
There is still no improvement. Then I read the website/blog of the Abbot, He is still BUSY traveling. Sigh.
Older monks in the monastery has been questioning the Abbot why he is not around most of the time and why don't he stay in the monastery. Why is he not there during the exams and even important day like Tsongkhapa birthday.
From my understanding, the Abbot is supposed to gather Gaden Shartse resources outside Gaden ie the lamas from all over the world to support the monastery and to make sure the monastery is free from encumbrance so that the monks is able to concentrate on their studies and the old monks are being taken care of. This was what the late Lati Rinpoche did for Gaden. As far as I am aware of, the monastery still owes millions in loans.
My next question which confirm that the Abbot has his own agenda is that he does not run any Dharma Center? In my opinion is that he does not want to teach and this will tie him down with responsibilities. I mean, the evidence are clear that this Abbot is not benefitting the monastery, that is the fact and nothing has changed even though he has been told many times before. Sad.
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This is a very sad news. What will be of Gaden Shartse if the abbot decided to pursue his own agenda, and make political siding for his own personal gain while abandoning and/or neglecting the holy monks?
Geshe Lobsang Tharchin said the eight worldly concerns can be summarized into three: food, clothes and big names. Of the three, big name is the worst. Sages, holy men, great meditators of the past - majority of them have been able to live without great food and clothes, but the hardest to renounce is the crave for fame deep down in the heart - the crave for wanting people to recognize and praise them.
May this abbot see what he's doing is hurting Gaden Shartse and the holy monks, and may he stop what he's doing and do what he's supposed to do. May Gaden Shartse continue to grow just like it was before when it was lead by all the past great, holy abbots.
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You do not need to go far to know his daily activities. he has a blog here that sounds like what a little kid would write in his diary: http://jangchoe.blogspot.com/ (http://jangchoe.blogspot.com/)
This is a post:
Visit to Malaysia and Singapore
Tuesday July 31st, 2012 by 6.45am in the morning I arrived to my residence at Gaden Monastery. I did my prayers and then prepared documents to distribute things.
Monday July 30th, 2012 I met Pik Shia and her family members. We had lunch together at the Gem. By 4pm Mr. and Mrs. Ng along with Geshe Dorje escorted me to the KLI Airport. I checked in and waited inside the airport for a short period. By 23.30pm arrived to Bangalore and directly from the airport we headed towards the monastery.
Sunday July 29th, 2012 I had my BF with Ivy at the Valentino. I did Medicine Buddha puja for my host. Xiu and Qun dropped me off at the airport. I met Geshe Dorje along with other friends at the airport. On our arrival to LCCT Kuala Lumpur Mr. and Mrs. Ng was waiting to us. We went back to the center.
Saturday July 28th, 2012 in the morning we went out to the sea side to do animal liberation (protection of life) after finishing the activity we went to Valentino again to have Italian lunch, it was a delicious lunch. In the evening I met Mei Yee and group, went to see the Aljunied center.
Friday July 27th, 2012 I had Italian lunch at Valentino and later I went to Norbu Choling to meet friends. Met many old friends and had good talk with them.
Thursday July 26th, 2012 was a resting day. I met old friend Chin and Wendy. We had good talk after a year.
Wednesday July 25th, 2012 in the morning I went to meet Mr. Nabin and Lai and we had very good talk. We had a good lunch at the Linzhi Veg Restaurant. I went back to my room and we did special long life puja for my host.
Tuesday July 24th, 2012 in the afternoon I went to see Elis and her friends, did some pujas for them. Later I met old friend Carol and we had a drink with her husband.
Monday July 23rd, 2012 I did medicine Buddha puja for our good friend. Since it is holy day of turning the wheel of Dharma by great Buddha I did a special Tsog offering puja.
Sunday July 22nd, 2012 we had our lunch at the restaurant in Times Square. I met a Tan Sri Dato Sri and explained to him about Gaden Shartse Monastery. Mr. Ng drove us to the LCCT Kuala Lumpur to fly over the Singapore. We took Tiger Airways to Singapore and on our arrival to Singapore I found Beng and Xiu waiting for us. We drove Geshe Dorje to Norbu Choling and I went to Bukit Timah.
Saturday July 21st, 2012 we had BF with two daughters of Mr. and Mrs. Sui. I met friend Datuk Ho and we had good conversation. We went to Little India to have special Indian lunch. We filled up the statue with mantras and then I met Mr. Lai and Khor.
Friday July 20th, 2012 we again had our lunch with Mr. Ng and group. I had long discussion with the friends of Mr. Ng. We sorted out the mantras to input in the statue. Geshe Dorje rolled other missing mantras.
Thursday July 19th, 2012 we had lunch with Mr. Ronnie Tang and group at the Fan Chai Shiang veg restaurant. We visited the office of Jet Airways in Kuala Lumpur.
Wednesday July 18th, 2012 we had lunch with Mr. and Mrs. Sui at the Gem. Met another friend Mr. Yong and discussed some important matters. Mr. David and H.P came to see me we had good talk then I met Mr. Lai.
Tuesday July 17th, 2012 I met Mr. and Mrs. Tan Chee San and we had lunch together. We had good discussion on the fundraising. We received the precious idol of His Eminence Kyabje Lati Rinpche from Nepal.
Monday July 16th, 2012 we had our lunch with Mr. Ng and group. We visited the Office of the Mr. Ng.
Posted by Geshe Jangchup Choeden at 12:50 PM No comments:
:( does not sound like what an abbot should be doing at all. Seems that he is endlessly trying to collect sponsors and buttering them up so that they will donate more...to him. Oh dear. This is very disheartening.
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What proof does anyone have? Are you all against this abbot simply because he is on the side of HHDL? What evidence does anyone have this abbot is self serving? Just wondering not challenging.
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Why is the Official Website of Gaden Shartse Monastery is so unkept and there is basically no news and have nothing to learn from this website!!! I understand that as the Abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery, Khenpo Rinpoche Jangchup Choeden has to travel in order to promote and raise fund for the upkeeping of Gaden. But the Official Website is so outdated as to compare with His own. Shouldn't he as an Abbot of Gaden, is to promote The Monastery of Gaden? Instead of having two different website which baring two different name to it? Is find to have your own website, but look what's happening to the other one should be more important because it is carrying the name of Gaden Shartse Monastery which started by Lord Tsongkhapa still under construction???
As the Abbot, can't he dedicate the work to somebody else? Really amazing?
Another thing i noticed is from his website under THE PURPOSE OF THE WEB point number 4:
To share the spiritual knowledge and experience I gained by living austere monastic life in the Gaden Shartse monastery as a monk student and an officer.
This is how he mentioned Gaden Shartse in his homepage and the only Gaden Shartse word which can be found at the homepage of The Abbot of the Gaden Shartse Monastery.
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Visit to Malaysia and Singapore
Tuesday July 31st, 2012 by 6.45am in the morning I arrived to my residence at Gaden Monastery. I did my prayers and then prepared documents to distribute things.
Monday July 30th, 2012 I met Pik Shia and her family members. We had lunch together at the Gem. By 4pm Mr. and Mrs. Ng along with Geshe Dorje escorted me to the KLI Airport. I checked in and waited inside the airport for a short period. By 23.30pm arrived to Bangalore and directly from the airport we headed towards the monastery.
Sunday July 29th, 2012 I had my BF with Ivy at the Valentino. I did Medicine Buddha puja for my host. Xiu and Qun dropped me off at the airport. I met Geshe Dorje along with other friends at the airport. On our arrival to LCCT Kuala Lumpur Mr. and Mrs. Ng was waiting to us. We went back to the center.
Saturday July 28th, 2012 in the morning we went out to the sea side to do animal liberation (protection of life) after finishing the activity we went to Valentino again to have Italian lunch, it was a delicious lunch. In the evening I met Mei Yee and group, went to see the Aljunied center.
Friday July 27th, 2012 I had Italian lunch at Valentino and later I went to Norbu Choling to meet friends. Met many old friends and had good talk with them.
Thursday July 26th, 2012 was a resting day. I met old friend Chin and Wendy. We had good talk after a year.
Wednesday July 25th, 2012 in the morning I went to meet Mr. Nabin and Lai and we had very good talk. We had a good lunch at the Linzhi Veg Restaurant. I went back to my room and we did special long life puja for my host.
Tuesday July 24th, 2012 in the afternoon I went to see Elis and her friends, did some pujas for them. Later I met old friend Carol and we had a drink with her husband.
Monday July 23rd, 2012 I did medicine Buddha puja for our good friend. Since it is holy day of turning the wheel of Dharma by great Buddha I did a special Tsog offering puja.
Sunday July 22nd, 2012 we had our lunch at the restaurant in Times Square. I met a Tan Sri Dato Sri and explained to him about Gaden Shartse Monastery. Mr. Ng drove us to the LCCT Kuala Lumpur to fly over the Singapore. We took Tiger Airways to Singapore and on our arrival to Singapore I found Beng and Xiu waiting for us. We drove Geshe Dorje to Norbu Choling and I went to Bukit Timah.
Saturday July 21st, 2012 we had BF with two daughters of Mr. and Mrs. Sui. I met friend Datuk Ho and we had good conversation. We went to Little India to have special Indian lunch. We filled up the statue with mantras and then I met Mr. Lai and Khor.
Friday July 20th, 2012 we again had our l[color=yellow]unch[/color] with Mr. Ng and group. I had long discussion with the friends of Mr. Ng. We sorted out the mantras to input in the statue. Geshe Dorje rolled other missing mantras.
Thursday July 19th, 2012 we had lunch[/b] with Mr. Ronnie Tang and group at the Fan Chai Shiang veg restaurant. We visited the office of Jet Airways in Kuala Lumpur.
Wednesday July 18th, 2012 we had[color=yellow] lunch[/color] with Mr. and Mrs. Sui at the Gem. Met another friend Mr. Yong and discussed some important matters. Mr. David and H.P came to see me we had good talk then I met Mr. Lai.
Tuesday July 17th, 2012 I met Mr. and Mrs. Tan Chee San and we had lunch together. We had good discussion on the fundraising. We received the precious idol of His Eminence Kyabje Lati Rinpche from Nepal.
Monday July 16th, 2012 we had our lunch with Mr. Ng and group. We visited the Office of the Mr. Ng.
Posted by Geshe Jangchup Choeden at 12:50 PM No comments:
LIFE IS GOOD AS AN ABBOT. SO MANY LUNCHES. I HEARD MALAYSIA AND SINGAPORE HAVE GOOD FOOD AND MANY BUSINESSES ARE CONDUCTED OVER MEALS. LUNCHES? BUSINESSES? GET MY DRIFT?
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The monks of Ganden are not pleased with this abbot at all. They are waiting for him to finish his term and retire. They have remarked he has done nothing for the betterment of Ganden Shartse Monastery or Ganden in general. He has used his position to garner a closeness to Dalai Lama. With this 'closeness' to be able to travel to various countries and fulfill his personal agenda.
The nickname given to this abbot now is 'Tourist Abbot'. Like a tourist he visits Ganden and doesn't stay long!
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I have read Trijang Rinpoche bio's and every day his activities is for and towards the benefit of his fellow tibetans and sentient beings seems like the current abbott's work is quite trivial if I may say.
On the other hand I have met Lobsang Pende at Shar Gaden he is always around teaching, guiding the monks to better themselves. It will be a matter of time when Shar Gaden and Serpom will surpass Gaden in terms of learned monks and scholarship. Not that is a good or bad thing but sad Gaden the seat of Je Tsongkhapa comes to such a state.
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Did you know, khen rinpoche jangchup choeden has 125 posts on his personal blog. But on YouTube, he has less than 20 teachings. Obviously it is not a case of technological disadvantage, as shar gaden has over 100 videos.
Nuff said...
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I have read Trijang Rinpoche bio's and every day his activities is for and towards the benefit of his fellow tibetans and sentient beings seems like the current abbott's work is quite trivial if I may say.
On the other hand I have met Lobsang Pende at Shar Gaden he is always around teaching, guiding the monks to better themselves. It will be a matter of time when Shar Gaden and Serpom will surpass Gaden in terms of learned monks and scholarship. Not that is a good or bad thing but sad Gaden the seat of Je Tsongkhapa comes to such a state.
With such an abbot running the monastery, what are the chances of the monastery actually growing? Obviously, the abbot couldnt care less about the growth of the monastery and nobody can do anything about that...or make him face his wrongdoings so that he may confess and step up his efforts to take care of the monastery or make him resign before his time so that someone else who is more qualified can take over. I dont really understand the monastic system, but in the secular world, no matter who they are, even the founder of a company, if they are not delivering the results, they will be asked to vacant their position. case in question: steve jobs. Maybe HHDL put him there on purpose to make everyone realize that they are wrong and that Shar Ganden is right, because at this rate Shar Ganden is growing very fast, faster beyond anyone else can imagine and way faster than Ganden's growth rate. It would be interesting to see that in the future HHDL gives his approval to Dorje Shugden and the many people who would apologize to Dorje Shugden and Shar Ganden for what has been done.
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I heard from a monk friend that it is more meritorious to serve the Sangha than to enter into a whole lifetime retreat. I am sure the Abbot is aware but he has other agendas on his mind. I think this is very sad and perhaps has severe repercussions because he was entrusted with the sacred duty to collect merit but he used it as an opportunity to increase his negative karma instead. Now, I wonder why the Dalai Lama has handpicked him? Perhaps the Dalai Lama saw a promising future for this abbot.
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I heard from a monk friend that it is more meritorious to serve the Sangha than to enter into a whole lifetime retreat. I am sure the Abbot is aware but he has other agendas on his mind. I think this is very sad and perhaps has severe repercussions because he was entrusted with the sacred duty to collect merit but he used it as an opportunity to increase his negative karma instead. Now, I wonder why the Dalai Lama has handpicked him? Perhaps the Dalai Lama saw a promising future for this abbot.
Serving the sangha is indeed an extremely blessed and rare honor for anyone at all to do. It is scared to serve others, and in this case, it is not just normal people, but people that will bring further benefit to people so the merits are incredible. But unfortunately, it seems that this abbot is misusing his power and position for something other than that holy purpose. I dont know, if HHDL had not put him there something worse might have happened to him...but too bad he does not realize and continue doing with what he is doing. I really hope that he will do something really good for the sangha despite all his philandering. All my best wishes for him to be able to benefit the sangha.
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I think Dalai Lama handpicked him to be the abbot and holds a very heavy responsibility to make Gaden monastary improve and thrive. He is learned, able to spk a few languages and of course he is young. HH Dalai lama hoped that he is able able to bring Gaden to a greater heights and ensure that the older monks are well taken care of spiritually and physically, as well as the younger ones who needs proper education and those who needs spiritual retreat....i am sure the abbot knew all these expectations from the public, or maybe he just needs more time?
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I think that this Abbot is a big mistake FULL STOP. So what if he was hand picked by HHDL...seriously he has done nothing for the Gaden Shartse. Have you seen this monastery lately? There is no energy there. It feels dull and dead (with respect to some of the old holy monks). Knowing that a great lineage of Fantastic Masters came from here, we do not see any new Masters coming from there... When you walk over to Gaden Jangtze it is like a whole new world. Buildings are well maintained and it is bright and glorious.
I wondered why this huge difference? Now I know...bad leadership. If Mr. Abbot is all about looking good around HHDL and having personal agenda, then he is in the wrong profession! He should be an actor.
I hope that the current Zong Rinpoche will finish his degree soon and make Gaden Shartse shine again. I pray for this...
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Re: Removing Trijang Rinpoche's Throne from Gaden?
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Quote from: dondrup on July 15, 2011, 03:36:55 AM
It is sad to know that Gaden Monastery wanted to remove Trijang Rinpoche's throne permanently. It has made a mockery of the function of the throne in the monastery. Does the Gaden Monastery's authority not know the importance of keeping the throne? They had shown tremendous amount of disrespect to Trijang Rinpoche whose current incarnation is living outside of the monastery.
Gaden Monastery has lost its independence and control by adopting the ban on Dorje Shugden in Gaden Monastery and removal of Trijang Rinpoche's throne etc.
It is indeed contradictory in the TGIE's action to intervene and stop the removal of the throne! I think the TGIE is paving the way for Trijang Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden’s practice to return to Gaden Monastery!
I think the 'Gaden authority', the current abbot has a big say in this. Unless he has been so busy traveling to whatever countries and doing whatever. Still, if he was so 'busy', surely he gets reports of Gaden Monastery's admin and operations. I do not think that such a big thing would not have gotten the approval from the abbot.
Why Dharamsala stopped the removal of the throne is amusing. After all it's just a throne (that's what the authority of Gaden monastery think) that is currently not used by the current HH Trijang Rinpoche (who obviously does not garner the respect of Gaden authority) and who was allowed by HHDL to continue with the harmful practice.
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Been busy and I haven't been coming onto the forum much these days. I am surprise that people are still commenting on this interesting thread because I think there's little to discuss about a bad apple.There are plenty of great monks, Geshes, Tulkus and yogis at Gaden that we can focus our attention.
However, personally, I would prefer Shar Gaden instead because of lineage and practice. I think Gaden Shartse is a great monastery but they lost a big part of itself when Shar Gaden was formed. It is quite sad because the remaining monks that have to fend for itself is without a responsible abbot who would put his heart and soul into taking care of the Sangha of Gaden.
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Been busy and I haven't been coming onto the forum much these days. I am surprise that people are still commenting on this interesting thread because I think there's little to discuss about a bad apple.There are plenty of great monks, Geshes, Tulkus and yogis at Gaden that we can focus our attention.
However, personally, I would prefer Shar Gaden instead because of lineage and practice. I think Gaden Shartse is a great monastery but they lost a big part of itself when Shar Gaden was formed. It is quite sad because the remaining monks that have to fend for itself is without a responsible abbot who would put his heart and soul into taking care of the Sangha of Gaden.
Correction: Ganden Shartse WAS a great monastery, but they lost a huge part of themselves when Shar Ganden was formed. And I am personally very glad that Shar Ganden formed, because if it was not formed, it would mean that the monks would suffer from such an incompetent abbot. There are 2 sides of the coin to the forming. The abbot should seriously behave like an abbot before his negative karma pulls him down and cause many more monks to suffer as a result of such actions.
I dont know about everyone else, but in my opinion, the current abbot should have done a lot more rather than just travel around to 'raise funds' for the monastery. Because it is a huge responsibility and due to this, he will fall in the 3 lower realms faster than anyone else can.
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I think Dalai Lama handpicked him to be the abbot and holds a very heavy responsibility to make Gaden monastary improve and thrive. He is learned, able to spk a few languages and of course he is young. HH Dalai lama hoped that he is able able to bring Gaden to a greater heights and ensure that the older monks are well taken care of spiritually and physically, as well as the younger ones who needs proper education and those who needs spiritual retreat....i am sure the abbot knew all these expectations from the public, or maybe he just needs more time?
Or perhaps, HHDL picked him as the abbot because he is a non Dorje Shugden practitioner and HHDL wishes to weaken the 'power' of Ganden by assigning an incompetent abbot? I would not be surprised if this was true. If i am not mistaken, abbots are traditionally picked via voting by the sangha community and it is quite unusual for the Dalai Lama to pick his choice of the abbot....like how he picked his own Karmapa...
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The last time I checked, the Abbot of Gaden Shartse is till around.
The only new development on the online world is that FINALLY, Gaden Shartse has a new website now. http://www.gadenshartse.net/ (http://www.gadenshartse.net/)
I still feel they can do better then that. I mean, Gaden a home to high lamas like Trijang Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Kensur Jampa Yeshe, Lati Rinpoche, Kensur Kunschok Tsering & etc, the website should represent that type of calibre.
Also Bangalore is near Gaden, I am sure if the abbot care enough, he would be able to find good IT skills to manage and design a good website.
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well, at least the good thing is that Ganden Shartse finally has their own website out after having that old one for so long, although the design isnt as good as this website or Shar Ganden's one but it is something, better than nothing at all. There seems to be progress but there is not a lot of news from Ganden Shartse's abbot though. I am aware that the abbot is invited to a center in singapore and he does give talks there once in a while, but other than that other than his travels, there is little news of any other improvements that he has done for Ganden Shartse over the many years.