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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Admin on February 13, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
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New Section:
Very special tribute to His Eminence Geshe Kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche who is one of the most influential masters of this century without a question. Our website dedicates a section for you to express your feelings, share pictures, video links and teachings about this great master. Please go here: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12185 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12185)
We will eventually have this for all great masters of our special lineage. We begin with with Geshe-la.
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Thank you. :)
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Geshe Kelsang Gyatso is one of the DS warriors out in the open that are responsible for the spread and preservation of the holy dharma and the authentic lineage of Losang Dragpa.
However, there are also many unsung heroes who are working tirelessly and silently to prepare for the day when the ban will finally be lifted. Together the open and hidden heroes will definitely LIBERATE all children of the King !
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My salutations to H.E Geshe Kelsang Gyatso! His devotion and courage to spread Dorje Shugden openly through his centers in Europe and all over the world is very inspiring. He does not care about the ban or the controversies as he remains true to his Guru.
To the unsung heroes who are now working tirelessly to help create more awareness of the truth of Dorje Shugden, please keep up the good work. Through your hard work, may more Dorje Shugden monasteries and NKT’s centers flourished.
Thank you, Admin, for this section for us to pay tribute to H.E Geshe Kelsang Gyatso and the unsung heroes!
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On one hand, I rejoice with H.E. Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's dedication to his lineage protector and his guru, and like Kurava and pgdharma have both mentioned, there are many unseen DS warriors working hard and consistently in many facets to rasie the awareness and spread the lineage of DS to the world.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank this website,( as I think this is the best Dorje Shugden website I have come across on the net), the hardworking admin people behind this site, all the forum contributers, you have all made this site a special tribute to our king Dorje shugden indeed :D
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What a wonderful idea for a tribute! DS.com never seem to run out of ideas!
The wonderful works of lamas such as Geshe Kelsang Gyatso should be remembered and recalled as numerous times as possible. A mountain of praise should be given to His Eminence for tirelessly bringing teachings to the thousands single-handedly. It's a history in the making where no lama has gone before to have centers sprouting all over the world. Hopefully more Geshe-las will immerse.
A single lama can do so much. What more if the practitioners who emerged from his centre can do with combined efforts. With more dharma teachers, Buddhism will spread far and wide. No doubt!
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Incredible master indeed! I read in some websites, Geshe Kelsang also sponsored towards the establishment of Shar Gaden and Serpom Monastery in support of their cause of upholding Dorje Shugden practice.
It is good to read about Great Masters like Geshe Kelsang being firm in his practice and you know what...if Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, would Geshe Kelsang and his centres grow so large and spread to all over the world?
I rest my case.
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It is amazing to see what Geshe Kelsang Gyatso has achieved in this lifetime. Who has not heard about New Kadampa Tradition (NKT)? The biggest Gelugpa center in the world.
No doubt, when Geshe-la first step foot into a foreign land, it was very difficult like most high lama who was sent out of the monastery to teach. Cultural differences, the law, low faith in the dharma and etc. Also, having your own Tibetan government against you. It is very ridiculous. Besides HH, Geshe-la is probably the biggest asset for CTA but due to their stupidity, greed (personal agenda) and etc....and sigh! They even call Geshe-la a demon. They should make things easy for Geshe-la to further spread Buddhism. Sad!
Thank u Geshe-la for showing and inspiring us to persevere and stick to our teacher all the way. The results which you have shown is one of the greatest teachings or "case study" that Shugden is NOT a demon and that is NOTHING WRONG at all to practice this protector.
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Tears of gratitude for Geshe Kelsang, the growth of NKT and the increased awareness of DS globally.
Thank you DS.COM for once again opening another significant milestone in this websites development...a bridge for DS practitioners worldwide to share their stories and views with their own teachers (to realise that we may practice differently but we are all one carrying DS in our hearts & minds).
For sometime I have been thinking that this website has been an invaluable source to learn from but did not really address the isolation one feels being a DS practitioner, I mean its not so easy to say hi I am a practitioner from xyz (without the inevitable allegations etc?) At present we do not have the opportunity to engage with other practitioners from other lineages except within our own centres.
Even more so if you are out of station and happen to live in a anti-shugden area, their is no real way to have a conversation without some sort of consequence.
In my heart I feel that for the ban to be lifted all DS practitioners need to co-ordinate and work together by sharing their experiences / stories? why because it gives inspiration to others that our practice and lineage is not simply demon worship of that cult DS...but a valid lineage for modern people, that have transformed their lives and the people around them.
How can that be wrong...if our own masters can reincarnate back and everyday practitioners can transform and get MUCH benefit that can ONLY be a good thing to show the world an objective balance to the negative views out there.
I think DS.COM offers a unique platform for views from all pro DS devotees to share their stories in an objective way to counter the half truths and innuendo perpetuated by CTA against DS practitioners.
Thank you Geshe-la for your courage, inspirational guru devotion and DS.COM for your unwavering support for DS practitioners & their teachers.
xo
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Personally I've read books by Geshe Kelsang and he is an amazing scholar. But he is still an ordinary person. So he can be mistaken about the Shugden practice. Why is it he can be right and HHDL is wrong.
I mean you can't compare the two teachers ok? HHDL is way far ahead in every aspect than Geshe Kelsang. There's a reason HHDL is way ahead, because his thoughts and what he speaks about has much more impact and relevance to many more people. His popularity just grows. That itself tells you how great HHDL is. I mean tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong compared to a couple of hundred Shugden practitioners.
Ok, the Tibetans are a bit fanatical when it comes to HHDL and I've seen it here in Dharamsala. But they are only a few million (India, Nepal & Tibet). But HHDL is accepted by tens of millions across many continents inclusive of world leaders. Which Lama can do that. Not even Geshe Kelsang.
So did you ever think Geshe Kelsang went alittle too far with the protests against Dalai lama? Years back if the Dalai Lama did not escape Tibet, build a relations with the Indian Govt and get land for the Tibetans, there would be no Geshe Kelsang at all. There would be no survival of Tibetan Buddhism. All the centres and lamas around the world exist because of HHDL.
Don't you think Geshe Kelsang and the other Lamas like him should be grateful to HHDL and loyal? Be grateful should be a result of practice of higher tantras right? At least sutras. So what is the big deal if they give up Shugden and pick the HHDL?
So I personally think Geshe Kelsang is mistaken.
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Geshe Kelsang Gyatso should indisputably sit amongst the greatest masters of our times. Having the sublime Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche as his mentor, his teachings are flawless and so are his amazingly accurate books. He has so many students all over the world that promote the virtues of a true Buddhist and happily spread the amazing practice of the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden.
I have him in high regard but I do not agree with every opinion of his. I think he has amazing strength and determination to spread the Dharma. I like the organisation that he has formed but I do not like the way he opposes the Dalai Lama because it goes against the very advice of his own root Guru. I do appreciate his work, teachings and everything else he does.
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It's not too late for Geshe Kelsang to make amends. Make a trip to Dharamsala, request audience with HHDL and apologize. Wouldn't it be better to make friends. Join forces and propagate dharma to even more. One less headache. One less controversy. Just follow what HHDL advices.
Why do you have to worship Shugden. There are so many protectors, just choose another one and you don't don't upset Dalai Lama's great plans for everyone. There's only one Dalai Lama, so choose him. Easy equation.
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It's not too late for Geshe Kelsang to make amends. Make a trip to Dharamsala, request audience with HHDL and apologize. Wouldn't it be better to make friends. Join forces and propagate dharma to even more. One less headache. One less controversy. Just follow what HHDL advices.
Why do you have to worship Shugden. There are so many protectors, just choose another one and you don't don't upset Dalai Lama's great plans for everyone. There's only one Dalai Lama, so choose him. Easy equation.
Dalai lama should make amends, not Geshe Kelsang whom is actually following the advise of his root Guru as per Buddhist instructions. It is not Geshe Kelsang who has created a giant schism in the Gelugpa sangha. If your a practicing Gelugpa you should know that His Holiness's accusations indirectly invalidate our lineage and specifically being able to recieve blessings to accomplish the path from lineage gurus because they where all spirit worshippers who do not have the basis for bestowing tantric initations.
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It's not too late for Geshe Kelsang to make amends. Make a trip to Dharamsala, request audience with HHDL and apologize. Wouldn't it be better to make friends. Join forces and propagate dharma to even more. One less headache. One less controversy. Just follow what HHDL advices.
Why do you have to worship Shugden. There are so many protectors, just choose another one and you don't don't upset Dalai Lama's great plans for everyone. There's only one Dalai Lama, so choose him. Easy equation.
Dalai lama should make amends, not Geshe Kelsang whom is actually following the advise of his root Guru as per Buddhist instructions. It is not Geshe Kelsang who has created a giant schism in the Gelugpa sangha. If your a practicing Gelugpa you should know that His Holiness's accusations indirectly invalidate our lineage and specifically being able to recieve blessings to accomplish the path from lineage gurus because they where all spirit worshippers who do not have the basis for bestowing tantric initations.
I am not saying Geshe Kelsang is a bad guy. And I'm not trying to make enemies here. It's just Geshe-la make mistakes. If he doesn't go against HHDL then there wouldn't be a schism. If all the Gelugpas followed what HHDL advices, intantly the schisms are gone. No schism. How did the Dalai Lama create schism by advising you against an evil being? If you don't follow, you create the schism. I mean think about it. If your teacher tells you not to lie and steal or bull***t and you do and create trouble. Who is the trouble maker? You or your teacher advising you not to do so?
Makes better sense now?
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Geshe-la's books were the first dharma book I came across when I was searching for spirituality. Technically geshela was the first person to introduce Tibetan Buddhism to me, although I never had the fortune of meeting geshela personally. His books is such a great dharma delivery tool as it reaches millions all over the world. The way it was written, filled with knowledge and yet easy to understand for new readers. Geshela is a great teacher, and from time to time I re read his wonderful dharma books.
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Geshe-la's books were the first dharma book I came across when I was searching for spirituality. Technically geshela was the first person to introduce Tibetan Buddhism to me, although I never had the fortune of meeting geshela personally. His books is such a great dharma delivery tool as it reaches millions all over the world. The way it was written, filled with knowledge and yet easy to understand for new readers. Geshela is a great teacher, and from time to time I re read his wonderful dharma books.
He is a great scholar, but scholars can be wrong too. Let's just put it this way, Geshe Kelsang is like a really great teacher and that's nine points. So just give up Shugden and be the perfect 10!
Wouldn't it be cool for Geshe Kelsang and HHDL to have lunch together in London and be friends. Wouldn't that look really good for everyone concerned?
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It's not too late for Geshe Kelsang to make amends. Make a trip to Dharamsala, request audience with HHDL and apologize. Wouldn't it be better to make friends. Join forces and propagate dharma to even more. One less headache. One less controversy. Just follow what HHDL advices.
Why do you have to worship Shugden. There are so many protectors, just choose another one and you don't don't upset Dalai Lama's great plans for everyone. There's only one Dalai Lama, so choose him. Easy equation.
Dalai lama should make amends, not Geshe Kelsang whom is actually following the advise of his root Guru as per Buddhist instructions. It is not Geshe Kelsang who has created a giant schism in the Gelugpa sangha. If your a practicing Gelugpa you should know that His Holiness's accusations indirectly invalidate our lineage and specifically being able to recieve blessings to accomplish the path from lineage gurus because they where all spirit worshippers who do not have the basis for bestowing tantric initations.
I am not saying Geshe Kelsang is a bad guy. And I'm not trying to make enemies here. It's just Geshe-la make mistakes. If he doesn't go against HHDL then there wouldn't be a schism. If all the Gelugpas followed what HHDL advices, intantly the schisms are gone. No schism. How did the Dalai Lama create schism by advising you against an evil being? If you don't follow, you create the schism. I mean think about it. If your teacher tells you not to lie and steal or bull***t and you do and create trouble. Who is the trouble maker? You or your teacher advising you not to do so?
Makes better sense now?
Its HHDL whom has made the mistake rather then Geshe Kelsang. Geshe Kelsang actually follows his Guru advise ( Trijang Rinpoche) where on the contrast the Dalai lama has not followed his advise and has put great effort into destroying his teachings and reliance upon his protector. We follow according to our lineage because we dont see existent faults within our Gurus teachings unlike some whom see such within their own lineage ( might have to ask what is the point of having a gelugpa guru if they have all recieved blessings and transmissions from spirit worshipers which by nature would be inauthentic) Dorje Shugden is regarded as an enlightened protector and we are quiet happy with practicing according to this valid tradition. Your points do not have a basis in this discussion because they are inherantly negative actions and thus not to this debate.
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Geshe-la's books were the first dharma book I came across when I was searching for spirituality. Technically geshela was the first person to introduce Tibetan Buddhism to me, although I never had the fortune of meeting geshela personally. His books is such a great dharma delivery tool as it reaches millions all over the world. The way it was written, filled with knowledge and yet easy to understand for new readers. Geshela is a great teacher, and from time to time I re read his wonderful dharma books.
He is a great scholar, but scholars can be wrong too. Let's just put it this way, Geshe Kelsang is like a really great teacher and that's nine points. So just give up Shugden and be the perfect 10!
Wouldn't it be cool for Geshe Kelsang and HHDL to have lunch together in London and be friends. Wouldn't that look really good for everyone concerned?
Im sure they could do that Geshe Kelsang and Lama Yeshe had the wish for their students to develop a close connection with HHDL when they first where together in Manjushri institute however they realized there was no way HHDL would visit because he had been incorrectly disparaging his gurus protector and as any good student knows he who slanders ones lineage is an unwise friend to have.
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I like Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's books. His teachings are easy to read and understand without any Buddhist jargons. He is an amazing Geshe who has accomplished so much in around the world to spread Lord Tsongkhapa's and DS teachings. He has touched so many people. I rejoice.
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Years back if the Dalai Lama did not escape Tibet, build a relations with the Indian Govt and get land for the Tibetans, there would be no Geshe Kelsang at all. There would be no survival of Tibetan Buddhism. All the centres and lamas around the world exist because of HHDL.
Respectfully, this is not so. The Dalai Lama escaped due to the kindness and insight of Dorje Shugden - this is well documented, therefore why not attribute the continued presence of Tibetan Buddhism in this world to the kindness of Dorje Shugden who protected the Dalai Lama at every turn even though he would later betray him?
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Respectfully, this is not so. The Dalai Lama escaped due to the kindness and insight of Dorje Shugden - this is well documented, therefore why not attribute the continued presence of Tibetan Buddhism in this world to the kindness of Dorje Shugden who protected the Dalai Lama at every turn even though he would later betray him?
Amazing stuff. I agree with you there lineageholder. Dorje Shugden was instrumental in bringing Dalai Lama safely out of Tibet.
Please also see this incredible revelation of just how much and how directly Dorje Shugden really helped the Dalai Lama to leave Tibet: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=10704 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=10704)
Also, see this personal account form one of the monks who personally escorted the Dalai Lama out. He explains clearly who it was who told the Dalai Lama to leave - Dorje Shugden.
Dorje Shugden saved the Dalai Lama's Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ2V8wdWMTI#)
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I mean you can't compare the two teachers ok? HHDL is way far ahead in every aspect than Geshe Kelsang. There's a reason HHDL is way ahead, because his thoughts and what he speaks about has much more impact and relevance to many more people. His popularity just grows. That itself tells you how great HHDL is. I mean tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong compared to a couple of hundred Shugden practitioners.
Ah, the good old "my Guru is bigger than your Guru, and therefore my Guru, and by extention me also, are right, whereas you are wrong" -argument.
Big is correct, small is mistaken.
Might is Right.
Fascism.
And now, let me play the devil's advocate here. As the Holy Roman Church has more members, and the Pope a bigger audience, than all Buddhism combined, it follows, that all Buddhists go to hell since they do not embrace the Mother Church and accept the Pope as their bridge to everlasting happiness. Why do you Buddhists continue in your wayward and wicked ways, when it is evident, that your small idolatric teachers have no grace or blessings from the God? Stop creating schisms amongst the children of Noah, and return to the might, grace and care of the One True Church of the God.
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I mean you can't compare the two teachers ok? HHDL is way far ahead in every aspect than Geshe Kelsang. There's a reason HHDL is way ahead, because his thoughts and what he speaks about has much more impact and relevance to many more people. His popularity just grows. That itself tells you how great HHDL is. I mean tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong compared to a couple of hundred Shugden practitioners.
That's hilarious!
So the Dalai Lama banned Dorje Shugden to prevent sectarianism?
Looks like it wasn't Dorje Shugden that was the problem.
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He is a great scholar, but scholars can be wrong too. Let's just put it this way, Geshe Kelsang is like a really great teacher and that's nine points. So just give up Shugden and be the perfect 10!
I wasn't aware that average people like us are qualified enough to run a point system on our gurus and "grade" them according to their practices. This is extremely disrespectful and disgraceful.
Are you as qualified as a teacher like Geshe Kelsang Gyatso?
Have you held vows for as long as he has? Taught as many people as he has? Set up as many centers and maintained as many students?
If you haven't, then you really have no right to "grade" him the way you just have.
Further, another perspective: Geshe Kelsang Gyatso's teacher was Trijang Rinpoche; every teaching, practice and initiation he has received comes from the supreme and unfaulted lineage of Trijang Rinpoche. The Dalai Lama ALSO studied directly under Trijang Rinpoche. both the Dalai Lama and Trijang Rinpoche studied with the same teacher, received the same teachings and lineages. Why is it that one is considered so perfect and the other isn't? Such contradictions and inconsistencies to these arguments against DS teachers like Geshe-la.
In any case, we are not playing a comparison game. This is not a popularity contest to vouch for whose Guru is greater than another. It is simple a tribute to huge contribution to Dharma that one Lama made. All Lamas contribute in different ways, at different times, to different groups of people. This thread and article was not started to compare which lama is greater or has accomplished more etc. It is a celebration and appreciation of all that every Lama has done. Why can't you just rejoice in this?
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HHDL banned Dhogyal for the welfare of the greater many. After much observation, investigation, consulting various teachers/monks/laity decided it would be less harmful for individual practice and the greater whole of Tibetan Buddhism to stop the practice of this one Dhogyal. He spoke for the greater good. What other motivation can he possibly have? What other benefits is there for him?
If you are truly Gelug, then you may adopt the practice of Kalarupa. If Kalarupa is dead or ineffective, then you may search for other protectors. Otherwise if you have Kalarupa, why is there a need to rely on Dhogyal? None of the great seats of learning such as in Sakya or Gelug (Ganden, Sera, Depung) have installed Dhogyal as their principal protector, so why start now. This itself says so much.
Since Tsongkapa relied on Kalarupa as his protector and Kalarupa suited Tsongkapa, then we would be wise to follow suit.
Since followers of Tsongkapa follow the same philosophical tenants as he did, same yidams (Guyasamaja, Cakrasambara, Yamentaka and Kakachakra), same vinaya code, then why not also follow Tsongkapa's protector which is Kalarupa. Why do followers of Gelug follow everything as Tsongkapa did to reach his enlightenment and understanding EXCEPT his protector?
If you are a Tsongkapa follower then follow Tsongkapa's practice completely. Be a clean and thorough Gelug.
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Thank you Geshe Kelsang for preserving your Spiritual guides teachings in the face of great adversity. :)
On topic posts rather then trolling. :D
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On topic posts rather then trolling. :D
Let's not get personal now. I am not trolling. :)
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On topic posts rather then trolling. :D
Let's not get personal now. I am not trolling. :)
Certain speech belongs in certain threads. :)
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It's not too late for Geshe Kelsang to make amends. Make a trip to Dharamsala, request audience with HHDL and apologize. Wouldn't it be better to make friends. Join forces and propagate dharma to even more. One less headache. One less controversy. Just follow what HHDL advices.
Why do you have to worship Shugden. There are so many protectors, just choose another one and you don't don't upset Dalai Lama's great plans for everyone. There's only one Dalai Lama, so choose him. Easy equation.
You are very cute. Unfortunately, we cannot pick and chose our practices. If our Lama has given us a Dharma Protector practice and told us to keep in our hearts, how can we say it is wrong and choose another. You talk like you don't really know how to devote yourself to a Guru. We cannot do that even if the Dalai Lama is our Lama and another Lama has given us his heart practice, Dorje Shugden.
We cannot renounced Dorje Shugden just because the Dalai Lama said so. On what basis do we choose? One Guru cannot be higher than another. From their side, a Lama be more attained than another but in our heart and practice, all our Lamas are Buddhas and all Buddhas are equal. Hence, abiding with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche's advice is the best and the most Dharmic.
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Personally I've read books by Geshe Kelsang and he is an amazing scholar. But he is still an ordinary person. So he can be mistaken about the Shugden practice. Why is it he can be right and HHDL is wrong.
I mean you can't compare the two teachers ok? HHDL is way far ahead in every aspect than Geshe Kelsang. There's a reason HHDL is way ahead, because his thoughts and what he speaks about has much more impact and relevance to many more people. His popularity just grows. That itself tells you how great HHDL is. I mean tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong compared to a couple of hundred Shugden practitioners.
TG, I humbly respect your opinion but I disagree with the basis of your analysis.
There was a time when the entire world thought the earth was flat. Did that make the earth flat? There was a time when everyone on earth thought the Sun revolved around the Earth. We all know how that "thought" ended.
If you are going by numbers i.e. you extract your "truth" from the highest number of people who subscribe to an assumption, does it not follow that the only correct religion is Islam since it has the highest number of followers? After all "tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong".
I think the real test of Truth lies in the fact that nothing can ever suppress it. The fact the Dorje Shugden practice has not only survived but grown despite an engineered effort by powerful people to discredit it, and to bully DS practitioners into submission says a lot about the deity and the practice.
Ok, the Tibetans are a bit fanatical when it comes to HHDL and I've seen it here in Dharamsala. But they are only a few million (India, Nepal & Tibet). But HHDL is accepted by tens of millions across many continents inclusive of world leaders. Which Lama can do that. Not even Geshe Kelsang.
TG, HHDL has done wonderful things for Buddhism and world peace and he has done so with his position as a Diplomat and Political Leader, not an "ordinary monk". I mean, even Idi Amin had his time on the world stage and directly engaging with world leaders.
Geshe Kelsang on the other hand has commanded his position as a great Buddhist scholar who has caused the great spread of Buddhism and also the spread of a great Protector practice despite not getting support from the CTA and HHDL.
So did you ever think Geshe Kelsang went alittle too far with the protests against Dalai lama? Years back if the Dalai Lama did not escape Tibet, build a relations with the Indian Govt and get land for the Tibetans, there would be no Geshe Kelsang at all. There would be no survival of Tibetan Buddhism. All the centres and lamas around the world exist because of HHDL.
TG, I am glad you talked about HHDL escaping from Tibet. Was it not Dorje Shugden who without doubt was responsible for HHDL SAFELY escaping Tibet? Had it not been for the compassionate and divine help of Dorje Shugden and the deity's utter loyalty to HHDL, would HHDL have escaped unscathed to see to the "survival of Tibetan Buddhism"?
I also must add that had Dorje Shugden wanted to harm HHDL, the deity would have have had to do anything. Just leave it to the state oracle to provide a wrong advise perhaps.
Don't you think Geshe Kelsang and the other Lamas like him should be grateful to HHDL and loyal? Be grateful should be a result of practice of higher tantras right? At least sutras. So what is the big deal if they give up Shugden and pick the HHDL?
Being grateful is to keep the samaya with the Guru clean at all cost. being grateful is not to over turn the vows you take when it is no longer convenient. Being grateful is to be true to your belief.
So I personally think Geshe Kelsang is mistaken.
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Rejoice!
This is what Geshe-la has achieved, through his love, compassion, commitment to Dharma and tirelessly working for others: more than 1100 centers in all over the world!
Just because of one person's tireless effort, millions of people has benefited, and thousands of practitioners and Dharma teachers has emerged.
And yet, he is such a humble monk.
I particularly like the photo of Him in front of the Medicine Buddha. Seeing his photos brings so much peace and joy.
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Rejoice!
This is what Geshe-la has achieved, through his love, compassion, commitment to Dharma and tirelessly working for others: more than 1100 centers in all over the world!
Just because of one person's tireless effort, millions of people has benefited, and thousands of practitioners and Dharma teachers has emerged.
And yet, he is such a humble monk.
I particularly like the photo of Him in front of the Medicine Buddha. Seeing his photos brings so much peace and joy.
Geshe Kelsang has achieved alot no doubt. One less step, come to Dharamsala and meet with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Talk things out. Just listen to HHDL's advice and create harmony again. I would be in line on the streets to greet Geshe Kelsang. I like everything about him except the Dhogyal part.
We are lucky, sometimes we catch glimpses of HHDL as there is just one street that leads to HHDL's residence. And there many businesses on the left and right side of this street. It's public. When he drives back we can often see him.
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Geshe Kelsang couldnt do this because he doesnt believe the teachings of Trijang Rinpoche are wrong, He practices perfect Guru devotion. It would be unrealistic to expect him to abandon the practices he has done throughout his life on the whims of someone whom is not his Guru.
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Venerable Geshe Kelsang Gyatso (VGKG) is one of the greatest Buddhist Masters of this century. A true Mahasiddha / Bodhisattva who had performed so much enlightened deeds to benefit countless others as listed below.
1) Most outstanding proponent of Dorje Shugden practice
- Alone all by himself without any backup from his Sera Monastery upholding the pure lineages of Lama Tsongkhapa and Dorje Shugden.
- Written the book - Heart Jewel – a commentary to the Guru Yoga Tsongkhpa and Dorje Shugden practices.
2) An impeccable example of his pure guru devotion to his root Guru His Holiness Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche.
3) Written more than 18 Dharma books that is easily understood and that had been translated into many international languages. Geshe Kelsang’s books are best sellers.
4) Established one of the most successful Buddhist tradition in the Western World known as the New Kadampa Tradition(NKT) that practise the pure Lama Tsongkhapa and Dorje Shugden Lineages. Currently NKT centres are located in many countries of the World.
5) Developed one of the most successful education program for NKT to preserve and spread lineages of Lama Tsongkhapa and Dorje Shugden.
6) Conferred many Buddha Heruka/Vajrayogini Highest Yoga Tantra and other Deities initiations to his students planting seeds of enlightenment in the practitioners.
The enlightened deeds of VGKG are countless and what was listed above are only some of his greatest achievements.
Thank You Geshe-la. May you continue to turn the Dharma Wheel especially upholding the lineage of Dorje Shugden.
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Geshe Kelsang couldnt do this because he doesnt believe the teachings of Trijang Rinpoche are wrong, He practices perfect Guru devotion. It would be unrealistic to expect him to abandon the practices he has done throughout his life on the whims of someone whom is not his Guru.
Then Geshe la will die knowing he created so much confusion by his dhogyal practice. Too bad. He is a nice old monk. If he only would lessen his ego and for the sake of Buddhists make peace with the leader of Tibet, HHDL. It would send so much positive examples throughout the Buddhist world.
Among all Tibetan Buddhist Geshe La is not seen in a good light. That is unfortunate.
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Geshe Kelsang couldnt do this because he doesnt believe the teachings of Trijang Rinpoche are wrong, He practices perfect Guru devotion. It would be unrealistic to expect him to abandon the practices he has done throughout his life on the whims of someone whom is not his Guru.
Then Geshe la will die knowing he created so much confusion by his dhogyal practice. Too bad. He is a nice old monk. If he only would lessen his ego and for the sake of Buddhists make peace with the leader of Tibet, HHDL. It would send so much positive examples throughout the Buddhist world.
Among all Tibetan Buddhist Geshe La is not seen in a good light. That is unfortunate.
There is no confusion from our side, Just people whom blindly follow His Holiness advise without checking the consequences of his sayings.
Furthermore, the definitive point of view, that these holy beings [previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden] were already fully enlightened innumerable ages ago, is clear if one examines the accounts of their lives, and if one were to say that a fully enlightened being could take birth as an ordinary gyalpo or tsen spirit, then one would be asserting that degeneration is possible from the state of full enlightenment or that someone could be both fully enlightened and an ordinary preta at the same time! Or else one would have to say that the accounts of those great beings’ lives are worthless. A mountain of absurd consequences, previously non-existent distorted ideas, would have to be accepted. (Trijang Rinpoche, Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors, p. 9, circa 1967)
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Geshe Kelsang couldnt do this because he doesnt believe the teachings of Trijang Rinpoche are wrong, He practices perfect Guru devotion. It would be unrealistic to expect him to abandon the practices he has done throughout his life on the whims of someone whom is not his Guru.
Then Geshe la will die knowing he created so much confusion by his dhogyal practice. Too bad. He is a nice old monk. If he only would lessen his ego and for the sake of Buddhists make peace with the leader of Tibet, HHDL. It would send so much positive examples throughout the Buddhist world.
Among all Tibetan Buddhist Geshe La is not seen in a good light. That is unfortunate.
There is no confusion from our side, Just people whom blindly follow His Holiness advise without checking the consequences of his sayings.
Furthermore, the definitive point of view, that these holy beings [previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden] were already fully enlightened innumerable ages ago, is clear if one examines the accounts of their lives, and if one were to say that a fully enlightened being could take birth as an ordinary gyalpo or tsen spirit, then one would be asserting that degeneration is possible from the state of full enlightenment or that someone could be both fully enlightened and an ordinary preta at the same time! Or else one would have to say that the accounts of those great beings’ lives are worthless. A mountain of absurd consequences, previously non-existent distorted ideas, would have to be accepted. (Trijang Rinpoche, Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors, p. 9, circa 1967)
There's a pecking order in all things in life whether we accept it or not. There's a pecking order in NKT. Whatever Geshe Kelsang says is law and no one may contradict. He must be respected. Not questioned. He uses the scriptures to back up his authority. Those who questioned and dare stand up to Geshe Kelsang left. Many have left.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is the ruler of Tibet and he must be followed. Geshe Kelsang should be humble and go and meet HHDL and make amends. If everyone broke the pecking order there would be pandemonium. Some of the instructions of the head of the pecking order we like and some we don't. Either way we follow it. Creates peace and harmony. That's life in samsara.
Geshe Kelsang should show a good example. Whatever his authority is based on the scriptures to back him up, there are scriptures to counter his claims about Dhogyal. For one protector Geshe Kelsang should not go against the Dalai Lama. For one protector only. It doesn't make sense.
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There's a pecking order in all things in life whether we accept it or not. There's a pecking order in NKT. Whatever Geshe Kelsang says is law and no one may contradict. He must be respected. Not questioned. He uses the scriptures to back up his authority. Those who questioned and dare stand up to Geshe Kelsang left. Many have left.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is the ruler of Tibet and he must be followed. Geshe Kelsang should be humble and go and meet HHDL and make amends. If everyone broke the pecking order there would be pandemonium. Some of the instructions of the head of the pecking order we like and some we don't. Either way we follow it. Creates peace and harmony. That's life in samsara.
Geshe Kelsang should show a good example. Whatever his authority is based on the scriptures to back him up, there are scriptures to counter his claims about Dhogyal. For one protector Geshe Kelsang should not go against the Dalai Lama. For one protector only. It doesn't make sense.
Geshe Kelsang is not answerable to the Dalai Lama. NKT is not a Tibetan Buddhist tradition, and in any case, the Dalai Lama is not the head of Tibetan Buddhism because there is no such thing. Each tradition of Tibetan Buddhism has its own head which leaves me wondering what the Dalai Lama's role actually is. As Geshe Kelsang said when asked who the Dalai Lama is, 'He's the political leader of the Tibetans'. Now, not even that is true.
I'm sorry to say that the Dalai Lama's power and influence comes from the seizing of political power by the 5th Dalai Lama. His political and religious authority, such that is is, is self-assumed. He crowned himself King of Tibetan Buddhism and everyone went along with it.
The Dalai Lama made many political mistakes which lost Tibet to the Chinese, and he's made many questionable spiritual decisions too related to the Karmarpa and Dorje Shugden issues. It's the Dalai Lama who has caused much confusion and suffering by going against established spiritual traditions and if anyone should apologise, it should be him for destroying the peace and harmony of the international Buddhist community in general and the Tibetan community in particular.
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Geshe Kelsang couldnt do this because he doesnt believe the teachings of Trijang Rinpoche are wrong, He practices perfect Guru devotion. It would be unrealistic to expect him to abandon the practices he has done throughout his life on the whims of someone whom is not his Guru.
Then Geshe la will die knowing he created so much confusion by his dhogyal practice. Too bad. He is a nice old monk. If he only would lessen his ego and for the sake of Buddhists make peace with the leader of Tibet, HHDL. It would send so much positive examples throughout the Buddhist world.
Among all Tibetan Buddhist Geshe La is not seen in a good light. That is unfortunate.
There is no confusion from our side, Just people whom blindly follow His Holiness advise without checking the consequences of his sayings.
Furthermore, the definitive point of view, that these holy beings [previous incarnations of Dorje Shugden] were already fully enlightened innumerable ages ago, is clear if one examines the accounts of their lives, and if one were to say that a fully enlightened being could take birth as an ordinary gyalpo or tsen spirit, then one would be asserting that degeneration is possible from the state of full enlightenment or that someone could be both fully enlightened and an ordinary preta at the same time! Or else one would have to say that the accounts of those great beings’ lives are worthless. A mountain of absurd consequences, previously non-existent distorted ideas, would have to be accepted. (Trijang Rinpoche, Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors, p. 9, circa 1967)
There's a pecking order in all things in life whether we accept it or not. There's a pecking order in NKT. Whatever Geshe Kelsang says is law and no one may contradict. He must be respected. Not questioned. He uses the scriptures to back up his authority. Those who questioned and dare stand up to Geshe Kelsang left. Many have left.
His Holiness the Dalai Lama is the ruler of Tibet and he must be followed. Geshe Kelsang should be humble and go and meet HHDL and make amends. If everyone broke the pecking order there would be pandemonium. Some of the instructions of the head of the pecking order we like and some we don't. Either way we follow it. Creates peace and harmony. That's life in samsara.
Geshe Kelsang should show a good example. Whatever his authority is based on the scriptures to back him up, there are scriptures to counter his claims about Dhogyal. For one protector Geshe Kelsang should not go against the Dalai Lama. For one protector only. It doesn't make sense.
That is pure and utter Political BS. The Dalai lama is not his Guru so he doesnt have to follow his advise, Nor is their a mandate to follow his advise because he has a fancy title or because in times past he governed like a king, or because the Dalai lama is the leader of exile Tibetans why should one whom has already been exiled from his monastery on the grounds of everyone being frightened of the Dalai lamas political force follow him simply because he dared voice opposion to His Holiness and his attempted destruction and degredation of his spiritual guides lineage. Buddhists follow the advise of their spiritual guide according to instructions on the Lamrim the spiritual guide is the source of all accomplishments and faith in the spiritual guide is what makes it grow, Trijang Rinpoche is Geshe-la's spiritual guide and Geshe-la has followed his advise to the letter where as His Holiness has put great effort into destroying Trijangs reputation and teachings with his incorrect accusations.
This is the Dalai lama's problem one of his own making, it is laughable to think everyone else should have to kow tow to his illogical and incorrectly based position just because he is a worldly powerful being. His Holiness could have ended this problem long ago by simply exorcising Dorje Shugden...Oh but then again if memory serves me correctly they already tried that in the time of the 5th Dalai lama to no avail and again as recently in 1996 with Hayagriva pujas to burn him only for Duldzin to come through the oracle and remind them that you cannot destroy what is not object to destruction. Its not just one protector the Dalai lama has put at doubt with his actions but the entirety of the Gelug lineage, people who blindly follow him fail to recognise the implications of what happens to the lineage in such a circumstance.
Many have been afraid of the Dalai lama in the past and what his followers do to people whom speak out against his incorrect actions. No more. We would all have liked to have been students of His Holiness but the deep wounds he has created in our tradition prevent such a thing from ever occuring untill he recants his position and falls into line with his Gurus advise...after all there is a pecking order as you say and in spiritual practice following your gurus instructions without fault is what you do.
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Personally I've read books by Geshe Kelsang and he is an amazing scholar. But he is still an ordinary person. So he can be mistaken about the Shugden practice. Why is it he can be right and HHDL is wrong.
I mean you can't compare the two teachers ok? HHDL is way far ahead in every aspect than Geshe Kelsang. There's a reason HHDL is way ahead, because his thoughts and what he speaks about has much more impact and relevance to many more people. His popularity just grows. That itself tells you how great HHDL is. I mean tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong compared to a couple of hundred Shugden practitioners.
TG, I humbly respect your opinion but I disagree with the basis of your analysis.
There was a time when the entire world thought the earth was flat. Did that make the earth flat? There was a time when everyone on earth thought the Sun revolved around the Earth. We all know how that "thought" ended.
If you are going by numbers i.e. you extract your "truth" from the highest number of people who subscribe to an assumption, does it not follow that the only correct religion is Islam since it has the highest number of followers? After all "tens of millions of people all cannot be wrong".
I think the real test of Truth lies in the fact that nothing can ever suppress it. The fact the Dorje Shugden practice has not only survived but grown despite an engineered effort by powerful people to discredit it, and to bully DS practitioners into submission says a lot about the deity and the practice.
Ok, the Tibetans are a bit fanatical when it comes to HHDL and I've seen it here in Dharamsala. But they are only a few million (India, Nepal & Tibet). But HHDL is accepted by tens of millions across many continents inclusive of world leaders. Which Lama can do that. Not even Geshe Kelsang.
TG, HHDL has done wonderful things for Buddhism and world peace and he has done so with his position as a Diplomat and Political Leader, not an "ordinary monk". I mean, even Idi Amin had his time on the world stage and directly engaging with world leaders.
Geshe Kelsang on the other hand has commanded his position as a great Buddhist scholar who has caused the great spread of Buddhism and also the spread of a great Protector practice despite not getting support from the CTA and HHDL.
So did you ever think Geshe Kelsang went alittle too far with the protests against Dalai lama? Years back if the Dalai Lama did not escape Tibet, build a relations with the Indian Govt and get land for the Tibetans, there would be no Geshe Kelsang at all. There would be no survival of Tibetan Buddhism. All the centres and lamas around the world exist because of HHDL.
TG, I am glad you talked about HHDL escaping from Tibet. Was it not Dorje Shugden who without doubt was responsible for HHDL SAFELY escaping Tibet? Had it not been for the compassionate and divine help of Dorje Shugden and the deity's utter loyalty to HHDL, would HHDL have escaped unscathed to see to the "survival of Tibetan Buddhism"?
I also must add that had Dorje Shugden wanted to harm HHDL, the deity would have have had to do anything. Just leave it to the state oracle to provide a wrong advise perhaps.
Don't you think Geshe Kelsang and the other Lamas like him should be grateful to HHDL and loyal? Be grateful should be a result of practice of higher tantras right? At least sutras. So what is the big deal if they give up Shugden and pick the HHDL?
Being grateful is to keep the samaya with the Guru clean at all cost. being grateful is not to over turn the vows you take when it is no longer convenient. Being grateful is to be true to your belief.
So I personally think Geshe Kelsang is mistaken.
I rejoice for Geshe Kelsang's selfless and continuous effort in spreading the Dharma. With His centres all over the world, it has made it very much accessible for anyone who wants to know and learn more about DS. Geshe-La has been pursuing this with the help and assistance of His students despite the ban.
With the current ban, lots of DS warriors are enduring lots of suffering for holding on to their practice given to them by their teachers, a strong practice of Guru Devotion. Despite all these, they have not given up. Instead, DS practitioners have grown. Shar Gaden has grown continuously so has other monasteries that practices DS. More and more huge DS statues are emerging everywhere around the world. The latest being these statues being available on DS.com online shop! Yeah...... If DS is really an evil spirit, is this growth possible??
HH Trijang Rinpoche had written before that the relationship of HHDL and DS might seem to be against each other, but in actual fact both are working hand-in-hand to promote DS. Looking at the current situation, isn't this happening now? Geshe-La's has been contributing to this continuously and it is an act that inspires a lot of people.
I pray that more support will come forth for Geshe-La and all DS practitioners around the world. May their hardwork and persistency come to fruition. May the ban be lifted soon and more people will be blessed by DS.
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He has many books published on his teachings. Almost every bookstores I go, I see his books. He is truly a great masters, the number of centers he has already shows very clearly.
He must have gone through a lot of difficulties in the beginning when he first arrived in the western world. It was a completely different environment for him, the weather, the food, the culture, the language etc. Despite the difficulties he faced, he managed to spread the Dharma so far and wide in the western world.
May Geshe Kelsang Gyaltso live long to continue turning the wheel of Dharma.
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The extend of brillance and genuine love are reflected in all of Geshe-la Kelsang Gyatso’s great work accomplished around the world. He has so much inner strength alone to counter so much odds against him and moreover in alien countries. He is certainly most extraordinary.
I rejoice in all of Geshe-la’s great deeds and I join in lighting the virtual butterlamps in dedication to his long life. May Geshe-la remain with us for infinite number of aeons to bring happiness and light to beings around the world.
Much, much love to you Geshe-la!
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Reading NKT's Internal Rules (below) made me think about Shugden Monasteries. Just like NKT who has become an independent Buddhist Tradition, perhaps monasteries like Shar Gaden, Serpom and so on will become independent Buddhist Tradition on its own.
Once they are 'out' (or rather outcast) of the mainstream Tibetan Monasteries circle, it does mean that these monasteries have better chances to reform their education methods, to evaluate what works/ doesn't work, and also to focus on core practices that incorporates propitiating the holy protector Dorje Shugden.
Do you think there will be an independent Buddhist Tradition out of Shugden monasteries? Do you think it is good or bad?
The NKT Internal Rules state:
§3 The New Kadampa Tradition shall always be an entirely independent Buddhist tradition and the NKT-IKBU shall have no political affiliations.
Geshe Kelsang has worked hard for the last 30 years to create a modern tradition of Je Tsongkhapa’s Buddhism, one that can be transplanted into any country in the world because it is divested of Tibetan politics and culture. This has not been easy as it has challenged the Tibetan status quo, and over the years even some NKT students have sometimes questioned whether we really need to let go of the Tibetan language, customs and connections with the Tibetan establishment.
However, Geshe Kelsang has a far-reaching, compassionate vision and, as a direct result of his wisdom, skill and courage, hundreds of thousands of people (and millions of people potentially) who would never have met these Buddhist teachings now have access to them and are now practicing Je Tsongkhapa’s clear and powerful Buddha Dharma through the NKT every day. Many Western people in the NKT are making spiritual progress without abandoning their own Western lifestyles, by practicing in their own cultural milieu, and by transforming their own 21st century environments. They are able to do this without having to waste a great deal of precious time figuring out which Tibetan cultural customs and institutions are necessary for their practice and which on the contrary can get in the way of actual inner transformation.
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I found this beautiful "pictorial" biography of H.E. Geshe Kelsang Gyatso below which is a perfect addition to this special tribute.
A blessed collection of photographs of this great erudite master and scholar. Ever smiling and such a great example of the perfect Dorje Shugden practitioner:
http://youtu.be/rcs13D7uLHA (http://youtu.be/rcs13D7uLHA)
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Rejoice!
This is what Geshe-la has achieved, through his love, compassion, commitment to Dharma and tirelessly working for others: more than 1100 centers in all over the world!
Just because of one person's tireless effort, millions of people has benefited, and thousands of practitioners and Dharma teachers has emerged.
And yet, he is such a humble monk.
I particularly like the photo of Him in front of the Medicine Buddha. Seeing his photos brings so much peace and joy.
Geshe Kelsang has achieved alot no doubt. One less step, come to Dharamsala and meet with His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Talk things out. Just listen to HHDL's advice and create harmony again. I would be in line on the streets to greet Geshe Kelsang. I like everything about him except the Dhogyal part.
We are lucky, sometimes we catch glimpses of HHDL as there is just one street that leads to HHDL's residence. And there many businesses on the left and right side of this street. It's public. When he drives back we can often see him.
Well, I don't agree with you on this as even someone like Geshe Kelsang Gyatso have attempted to open a dialogue with the Dalai Lama with letters. As far as I know, there were no responses to the letters that was sent in. The letters could have been intercepted by the Central Tibetan Administration and hence, no response. Whatever it is, the letters were not answered but you cannot fault Geshe Kelsang for not trying.
Here's an excerpt of one letter that was sent in ( http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=2185 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=2185) ):-
Your Holiness,
For over eighteen years you have been continually speaking out against the practice of Dorje Shugden, saying that this practice is bad. Due to your high position, many people believe what you say. If Dorje Shugden practice is really harmful, then this implies that both Je Phabongkhapa and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche made a big mistake and misled their disciples. If they were wrong then the entire Gelug tradition is incorrect.
As you know, all practitioners of the Gelug tradition, including yourself, are directly or indirectly the disciples of these two Lamas. Your assertion that the practice of Dorje Shugden is harmful has already destroyed the reputation of these two Lamas and of the Gelug tradition.
In particular, beginning in 1996 you have been speaking out publicly against the practice of Dorje Shugden, saying that he is a harmful spirit and harms both the cause of Tibetan independence as well as your health. Your speech has caused the Tibetan people much anxiety, and they have become angry, blaming Dorje Shugden practitioners for their problems, difficulties, and lack of freedom. So, in order to fulfil your wish, which is to destroy the practice of Dorje Shugden, the government-in-exile and many individual Tibetans are engaged in an organized campaign to destroy this practice by whatever means they can:
1. Removing statues and images from Temples, and destroying them;
2. Organizing forced-signature campaigns to make people promise to stop this practice;
3. People who refuse to sign and give up their practice receive abuse and threats, lose their jobs, lose their allowances, are expelled from their monastery, are beaten, etc.;
4. Those who continue with their practice are treated like outcasts in their own community, like the Jewish people in Germany under Hitler’s rule.
In this way, internal harmony within the Tibetan settlements has been destroyed. But this problem is no longer just a Tibetan problem; it has become an international one. Many thousands of people are now experiencing suffering, confusion, and loss of faith. You travel throughout the world and everywhere you speak out against the practice of Dorje Shugden, destroying the reputation of Gelugpas everywhere.
This situation became increasingly difficult for us to bear, and so, for these reasons the NKT here in the west, and Tibetans in India, organized peaceful demonstrations last year. The demonstrations intended no disrespect to you, but rather were an indication that you had made a mistake in banning this practice, and a request to you to lift the ban. Immediately after the demonstrations the NKT stopped all activity related to this issue, in the hope that you would reconsider your actions and agree to lift the ban.
However, your organization has continued to spread false information in western countries, saying:
1. The NKT is working for the Peoples’ Republic of China;
2. The NKT is receiving large sums of money from the Chinese;
3. The NKT is sectarian;
4. The practice of Dorje Shugden is sectarian and disruptive of communal harmony;
5. The practice of Dorje Shugden leads to the degeneration of Buddha’s teachings;
6. ‘Research suggests’ that association with the practice of Dorje Shugden attracts misfortune;
7. H.H. Trijang Rinpoche changed his mind and rejected the practice of Dorje Shugden;
8. Worship of Dorje Shugden harms Tibetan independence and the Dalai Lama’s life;
9. The practice of Dorje Shugden is innately disruptive and divisive.
I clearly understand that the purpose behind all this negative publicity is to destroy the NKT and the practice of Dorje Shugden in the west. The reputation of the NKT and of Dorje Shugden practitioners in the west has been severely affected because people believe these statements, which are simply lies.
In April of this year, one article appeared in Newsweek magazine in which you made unpleasant and humiliating statements about the NKT and myself. As you know this magazine is published in almost every country in the world, in many languages. There can be no purpose for this other than to destroy the NKT.
At that time, I made the decision to clarify this religious issue in public. Nowadays, there is much debate and argument about you, myself and Dorje Shugden, which is causing the reputation of Buddhists world-wide to degenerate. This is shameful; this problem has not been created by the Deity Dorje Shugden but by human beings under the influence of delusion. No matter how much everyone debates and argues, it seems that there is no solution; instead the problem is getting worse.
I have written to you several times asking for valid proof of your statements that Dorje Shugden is harming the Tibetan cause and your life. I have not received a reply from you. I did receive one letter from your office in Dharamsala, trying to prove your assertions about Dorje Shugden by quoting from books written by other Lamas that say he is a worldly spirit. The quotes never mention that the practice of Dorje Shugden could harm either the Tibetan cause or your life. Since many other Lamas have said and written that Dorje Shugden is a manifestation of Buddha Manjushri, the above reason is clearly not valid.
Your ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden is a direct attack on religious freedom. This is against the UN ‘Universal Declaration of Human Rights’, and also against the law in democratic countries such as the United States. You are also engaging in Deity discrimination, which breaks the constitutional law of India.
If the worship of Dorje Shugden is really harming the Tibetan cause, your people and your life, then you have good reasons for this ban, but I need clear evidence from you. Until now this has not been forthcoming. I do not want this situation to deteriorate any further, and would like to see this problem come to an end as soon as possible. This completely depends on you.
It seems that there are only two possibilities here: either you can give valid reasons proving that Dorje Shugden is harming the Tibetan cause, your people and your life; or you should accept that you have made a mistake and publicly retract your statements. If you are really a Bodhisattva and love your people and truly want Buddhadharma to flourish throughout the world then you must solve this problem.
Geshe Kelsang Gyatso
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It is really AMAZING that after so many years of being condemned, put down, out-casted, targeted and perhaps even hunted... yet Geshela has remained immovable and NKT his result has manifested to 1100 centers world wide.
I find this totally inspiring because despite all the challenges... his sangha/students has remained loyal and devoted. And really if Dorje Shugden is such a terrible practice that harms, then why would His teachings and Dharma flourish, should it not be the opposite according to Dharma and well what happened to all the other Dharma protectors who are "suppose" to protect the Dharma - what happened? They took a break?
I guess from here we can clearly see that this outcast has remained quite a star and yes the idea of being "INDEPENDENT" as mentioned by Vajraprotector does some how seem pretty okay....
Reading NKT's Internal Rules (below) made me think about Shugden Monasteries. Just like NKT who has become an independent Buddhist Tradition, perhaps monasteries like Shar Gaden, Serpom and so on will become independent Buddhist Tradition on its own.
In reality Shar Gaden and Serpom is not under the Tibetan law... they are under Indian Govt law. And India and China's relationship are now quite crucial and important, India is looking forward to work hand in hand with China for mutual expansion & economic growth...
http://www.dorjeshugden.c/foru/index.php?topic=2092.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.c/foru/index.php?topic=2092.0)
So I don't think there is really much to worry if they, Shar and Serpom were to go independent! The tide is changing.