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Title: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: DSFriend on June 10, 2011, 05:27:32 AM
Buddhism teaches us that all experiences arose from our own minds, due to the karmic seeds in our mind streams.

Therefore, we have been and continue to be the creator of our experiences be it positive or negative. As we go along the buddhist path, we learn to not create or open up further negative karmic seeds in our minds. Being a "victim" of people with afflictive emotions is also due to our OWN karma. It is empowering to see it this way as we no longer remain a "victim" but we can change the situation. Thus, we engage in protector practice, creation of merits and purification practices.

Easier said than done...that's why it's called "practice."

What should we practice when faced with people with anger  who dishes out hurtful words and causes mental and emotional abuse?

Do we stay away from them as a start to minimize such occurrences?

If it's not possible to stay away from such circumstances/peoples, then what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: WoselTenzin on June 10, 2011, 10:49:29 AM
I agree with DS Friend that to be able to see that being a "victim" of people with afflictive emotions as due to our own karma is empowering.  Many of us know that but we have not truly realize it.  Most of the time, we tend to react to people who vent their afflictive emotions on us.  Why?  Because it is either we do not know the Dharma or we have not internalised the meaning of Dharma we have learnt.

Rightfully if we are able to see others as suffering beings like ourselves, we will view them with compassion instead of reacting to them.  At the same time, if we acknowledge that whatever adverse circumstances that come to us is a result of our past negative karma, we will take responsibility for our past actions and not react when faced with such situation.  We will understand that it's "pay back" time and be able to endure the difficulty with patience.  We will be able to think that we are enduring it to purify our past negative actions and remind ourselves to not do onto others what we do not want others to do onto us.  Such thoughts will help us find purpose in our sufferings.

Staying away from people who are angersome and abusive is one way of avoiding getting hurt but how much can we avoid? Furthermore, the real solution to protect our minds in such circumstances is understanding the Dharma, applying it and ultimately realizing it.  In samsara, we can never completely avoid unpleasant circumstances but with understanding of the Dharma and realization, we can experience it with a purpose without creating more negative karma. 
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: triesa on June 10, 2011, 11:10:14 AM

What should we practice when faced with people with anger  who dishes out hurtful words and causes mental and emotional abuse?

Do we stay away from them as a start to minimize such occurrences?
If it's not possible to stay away from such circumstances/peoples, then what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.

DS friend, this is such a good question :

In this age, it is hard to avoid or stay away from people who dishes out hurtful words when they are angry, because they are everywhere.

So I think the best antidode to this situation is to practice "The eight versus of mind transformation"  

It is like the road is covered with rocks and it wll hurt you when you walk bare feet, so the best way to prevent from being hurt is to put on a pair of shoes.

The eight versus of mind transformation was written by Geshe Langri Thangpa Dorje Senge (1054 - 1123)

With the thought of attaining Enlightenment
for the welfare of all beings
who are more precious than a wish-fulfilling jewel
I will constantly practise holding them dear

Whenever I am with others, I will practise
seeing myself as the lowest of all
and from the very depths of my heart
I will respectively hold others as supreme

In all actions I will examine my mind
and the moment a disturbing attitude arises
endangering myself and others
I will firmly confront and avert it

Whenever I meet a person of bad nature
overwhelmed by negative energy and intense suffering
I will hold such a rare one dear
as if I've found a precious treasure

When others out of jealousy
mistreat me with abuse, slander and so on
I will practise accepting defeat
and offering the victory to them

When someone I have benefited and in whom
I have placed great trust hurts me very badly
i will practise seeing that person
as my supreme teacher

In short, I will offer directly and indirectly
every benefit and happiness to all beings, my mothers
I'll practise in secret taking upon myself
all their harmful actions and sufferings

Without these practises being defiled
by the stains of the eight worldly concerns
by preceiving all phenomena as illusory
I will practise without grasping to release all beings
from the bondage of the unsubdued mind and karma
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Positive Change on June 10, 2011, 11:19:10 AM
Quote
It is like the road is covered with rocks and it wll hurt you when you walk bare feet, so the best way to prevent from being hurt is to put on a pair of shoes.

Dear Triesa

Thank you again for you concise and helpful postings. It is true we often try to resolve a problem after it has happened. It just makes so much more sense in "avoiding" the problem altogether by being prepared and not just having a 'gung-ho' attitude in thinking we are impervious to hurt and if we do get hurt, we so easily blame the other person. We are equally to blame if we do choose to walk bare feet. Interesting change on the point of view.

I am enjoying this forum tremendously and am learning a lot. Thank you again triesa.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: shugdentruth on June 10, 2011, 07:18:56 PM
I find that having an angry mind has a lot to do with habituation. Perhaps anger can sometimes give you a desired result quickly. But I think lifestyle has also a big part to having an angry mind. Consumption of meat and seafood can contribute to a persons’ aggression. Low level of fitness may also play a part in a person getting angry easily. I have noticed that I get angry easier when I am tired, and if I am unfit, I get tired easily. Perhaps a change of lifestyle can contribute to helping curb this habituation??
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: DSFriend on June 10, 2011, 07:27:17 PM
In samsara, we can never completely avoid unpleasant circumstances but with understanding of the Dharma and realization, we can experience it with a purpose without creating more negative karma. 


When I first started out on the path, I thought that experiencing negativities purifies that particular karma. But it is actually how we react when we experience the negativities will purify it or creates even more karmic seeds. Similar to when we face with an angry mind, we experience the unpleasantness. Without dharma, more than likely our habituated instinct will kick in and we automatically react back with anger also.

It is logical that we need to stop creating "angry karmic seeds" if we wish to stop experiencing this afflictive emotion.

I appreciate how you put it.. "experience it with a purpose" is what we need to keep in mind. I suppose it's like a muzzle we need to put on aggressive dogs to prevent them from harming others.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: DSFriend on June 10, 2011, 07:38:49 PM
Quote
It is like the road is covered with rocks and it wll hurt you when you walk bare feet, so the best way to prevent from being hurt is to put on a pair of shoes.

Dear Triesa

Thank you again for you concise and helpful postings. It is true we often try to resolve a problem after it has happened. It just makes so much more sense in "avoiding" the problem altogether by being prepared and not just having a 'gung-ho' attitude in thinking we are impervious to hurt and if we do get hurt, we so easily blame the other person. We are equally to blame if we do choose to walk bare feet. Interesting change on the point of view.

I am enjoying this forum tremendously and am learning a lot. Thank you again triesa.

Dear Positive Change
This forum has been a place of learning for me as well...and I am sure the sharing and us sincerely put the teachings into practice will bring about "Positive Change"  :)


Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: triesa on June 11, 2011, 04:23:30 PM
I find that having an angry mind has a lot to do with habituation. Perhaps anger can sometimes give you a desired result quickly. But I think lifestyle has also a big part to having an angry mind. Consumption of meat and seafood can contribute to a persons’ aggression. Low level of fitness may also play a part in a person getting angry easily. I have noticed that I get angry easier when I am tired, and if I am unfit, I get tired easily. Perhaps a change of lifestyle can contribute to helping curb this habituation??


We have talked about how to deal with others who have angry minds, then how about dealing with our own angry minds?

Shugdentruth, yes I agree with you that an angry mind has a lot to do with habituation.  Usually the emotion of anger is expressed explicitly in harsh words and bad actions, and an attitude that the others are always wrong.  So developing  mindfulness and understanding what ticks us to have this flame of anger arising is important. And we must try our best to avert that angry thought the moment it arises. It is not an easy routine, as anger is like a burst of flame upon the strike of a match stick.

I like what you said Shugdentruth, physical exhaustion, tiredness, work stress,  consumption of meat and perhaps alocohol tend to accelerate the speed with which anger arises. So I do agree with you 100 percent that a change in  life style, like meditation, a walk in the forest (perhaps) , yoga, and consuming less meat or alcohol will  definitely help.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Barzin on June 13, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
Yes I agree.  A friend of mind used to have anger issues but since he became a vegan, i find him more at ease, more patience and eventually less anger.  I believe wellness and lifestyle also play a big part in one's mind.  Choosing not to acknowledge one's anger issue can lead to depression or even worse behaviour.  So I guess one has to make a change, but it will definitely take time... 

Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Positive Change on June 16, 2011, 08:17:51 AM
I remember having a chat about this with a friend once.

About how we are always masters of our own emotion. Anger being one of them. An Angry mind stems from many things but all of which are insular. Meaning, it all comes from within you..

No one or nothing can actually make us angry! Seems like a strong statement but if you dwell deeper it actually is true. We 'feel' angry not because of what someone does or when something happens, we 'feel' angry because we assume or use our own interpretations to twist that situation into an attempt to feed our bruised ego.

For example... If we get "angry" because someone said something bad about us, is it really that person's fault? Perhaps the person was right (hence our bruised ego)? And if that person is wrong, it is still our ego wanting to be right and making that person feel small for stating a false accusation. Either way, anger does not help.

Hence if we curb our angry mind we actually curb our self cherishing mind and ego... well at least thats how i see it. :P
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: WoselTenzin on June 16, 2011, 11:28:43 AM

No one or nothing can actually make us angry! Seems like a strong statement but if you dwell deeper it actually is true. We 'feel' angry not because of what someone does or when something happens, we 'feel' angry because we assume or use our own interpretations to twist that situation into an attempt to feed our bruised ego.

For example... If we get "angry" because someone said something bad about us, is it really that person's fault? Perhaps the person was right (hence our bruised ego)? And if that person is wrong, it is still our ego wanting to be right and making that person feel small for stating a false accusation. Either way, anger does not help.


It's true that no matter how we justify our anger, it doesn't help.  Anger can never be the right thing because it causes so much damage.  It ruins friendships, destroys marriages and families and generally causes disharmony among people. The results of anger is always disastrous.   

No matter how unjustified we feel a situation is to us, it is for the benefit of ourselves and others to control our anger because once our anger is unleased, we may say or do thing that we regret forever and the damage we cause may be irreparable.   

If we recall the times we have been angry, we will remember that our mind is completely turbulent and there is no peace in our heart.  In a way, being angry is just like being in hell on earth. Why do we even put ourselves through this?

From the Buddhist point of view, anger is completely dangerous.  One moment of anger can destroy vast amount of merits and create much negative karma that can cause immense future sufferings.  It will take our spiritual progress many steps backwards.

Therefore, instead of viewing others as our enemy, it's would be better if we view our anger as our enemy and work to take control of it.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Helena on June 16, 2011, 03:55:23 PM

No one or nothing can actually make us angry! Seems like a strong statement but if you dwell deeper it actually is true. We 'feel' angry not because of what someone does or when something happens, we 'feel' angry because we assume or use our own interpretations to twist that situation into an attempt to feed our bruised ego.

For example... If we get "angry" because someone said something bad about us, is it really that person's fault? Perhaps the person was right (hence our bruised ego)? And if that person is wrong, it is still our ego wanting to be right and making that person feel small for stating a false accusation. Either way, anger does not help.


It's true that no matter how we justify our anger, it doesn't help.  Anger can never be the right thing because it causes so much damage.  It ruins friendships, destroys marriages and families and generally causes disharmony among people. The results of anger is always disastrous.  

No matter how unjustified we feel a situation is to us, it is for the benefit of ourselves and others to control our anger because once our anger is unleased, we may say or do thing that we regret forever and the damage we cause may be irreparable.   

If we recall the times we have been angry, we will remember that our mind is completely turbulent and there is no peace in our heart.  In a way, being angry is just like being in hell on earth. Why do we even put ourselves through this?

From the Buddhist point of view, anger is completely dangerous.  One moment of anger can destroy vast amount of merits and create much negative karma that can cause immense future sufferings.  It will take our spiritual progress many steps backwards.

Therefore, instead of viewing others as our enemy, it's would be better if we view our anger as our enemy and work to take control of it.

I liked what you wrote here, WT. Thank you for reminding us all that ANGER BURNS up vast amount of merits and create HUGE negative karma.

It has also occurred to me that although most of the time, we view angry minds as something furious and ferocious. Those are the more aggressive types of angry minds. There is also another kind of angry mind that is less aggressive. What I mean here is that it is more emotional and it gets our feelings wounded. We also become consumed with negative emotions because we perceived that we have been hurt. However we may lash out not by rage, but perhaps by tears.

Either way, we have been upset and we can't get past that strong emotion.

It's interesting to note how much we are tied to the 8 worldly concerns in our every day speech, action and thoughts. Many things we do are done not by a pure motivation or out of real care for someone else. We might expect something in return or we want to be recognised. Hence, when we do not receive all that we expect or even gets accused for something we did not do or harbour, we will get upset. And we will express this in a fiery manner or cry buckets.

A dear friend reminded me today that if we really operate without any attachments to the 8 worldly concerns, the outcome will not affect us and upset us. We will not be affected whether we get critisized, awarded or ignored. Then this is done free of the 8 worldly Dharmas.

I sincerely hope I can really get there.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: vajraD on June 21, 2011, 12:27:10 PM

The eight versus of mind transformation was written by Geshe Langri Thangpa Dorje Senge (1054 - 1123)

With the thought of attaining Enlightenment
for the welfare of all beings
who are more precious than a wish-fulfilling jewel
I will constantly practise holding them dear

Whenever I am with others, I will practise
seeing myself as the lowest of all
and from the very depths of my heart
I will respectively hold others as supreme

In all actions I will examine my mind
and the moment a disturbing attitude arises
endangering myself and others
I will firmly confront and avert it

Whenever I meet a person of bad nature
overwhelmed by negative energy and intense suffering
I will hold such a rare one dear
as if I've found a precious treasure

When others out of jealousy
mistreat me with abuse, slander and so on
I will practise accepting defeat
and offering the victory to them

When someone I have benefited and in whom
I have placed great trust hurts me very badly
i will practise seeing that person
as my supreme teacher

In short, I will offer directly and indirectly
every benefit and happiness to all beings, my mothers
I'll practise in secret taking upon myself
all their harmful actions and sufferings

Without these practises being defiled
by the stains of the eight worldly concerns
by preceiving all phenomena as illusory
I will practise without grasping to release all beings
from the bondage of the unsubdued mind and karma


Thank you triesa for sharing the 8 versus of thought transformation.

I went trough a few times on the 8 versus. I found it not easy to be apply but is not hard either. I took some mini steps in applying in my daily each day as much as I could. I feel that I become a slightly lighter person. Every time I feel like throwing a huge tantrum I will take a deep deep breath and ask why am I so angry.

Having to be a new leaner in this I find the 8 versus make things much easier for me to follow.

Good sharing.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Jessie Fong on June 21, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
Thank you for posting this topic.

Many a times I have come to the situation where my anger had been difficult to control.  Much as I tried, it would just swell up in me.  So as not to explode at the people around me, I would walk away to face myself and engage in my own cooling period.  Yes VajraD, taking mini steps is the first step along the path before your big steps.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: biggyboy on June 21, 2011, 03:39:31 PM
In samsara, we can never completely avoid unpleasant circumstances but with understanding of the Dharma and realization, we can experience it with a purpose without creating more negative karma. 


When I first started out on the path, I thought that experiencing negativities purifies that particular karma. But it is actually how we react when we experience the negativities will purify it or creates even more karmic seeds. Similar to when we face with an angry mind, we experience the unpleasantness. Without dharma, more than likely our habituated instinct will kick in and we automatically react back with anger also.

It is logical that we need to stop creating "angry karmic seeds" if we wish to stop experiencing this afflictive emotion.

I appreciate how you put it.. "experience it with a purpose" is what we need to keep in mind. I suppose it's like a muzzle we need to put on aggressive dogs to prevent them from harming others.
Thank you for sharing this and I totally agree for what has been pointed here.

Oh yes, without dharma, one would have created more negative karma whenever this angry moment happens.  It is easier said then done, but with dharma, we would check our mind constantly and arrest it immediately as compared when we are ignorant.  Through constant practices, arresting of this angry mind will become much easier over time.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: triesa on June 21, 2011, 04:06:29 PM
whether you call it Murphy law or whatever, it is usually applicable that  similar situations will manifest to bug you as long as you have not really overcome your own anger, out of no where , people will pop up and say or do something that will tempt you to kick off that anger button.

Until you have rationalize and internalize your anger, these situations will always be waiting for you at the corner......

It is really beneficial to just read  the 8 versus of mind transformation on a daily basis to remind us how to deal with our own angry minds and ego.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Vajraprotector on June 29, 2011, 10:00:49 PM
DSFriend asked whether we should stay away from angry people as a start to minimize such occurrences and what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, and how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.

First, dealing with the angry person.

Geshe Kelsang Gyatso in his book Transform Your life: A Blissful Journey mentions that,
All the faults we see in people are actually the faults of their delusions, not of the people themselves. If someone is angry, we think "He is a bad and angry person,' whereas Buddhas think 'He is a suffering being afflicted with the inner disease of anger.' If a friend of ours were suffering cancer we would not blame him for his physical disease, and, in the same way, if someone is suffering from anger or attachment we should not blame him for the diseases of his mind.

In the fourth of the Eight Verses of Mind Transformation, it is said:
Whenever I meet a person of bad nature
overwhelmed by negative energy and intense suffering
I will hold such a rare one dear
as if I've found a precious treasure


If we practice the path of a Bodhisattva, then of course, not correcting others who are motivated by delusions is one of the downfall hence we should try our best to help relieve that deluded and angry person from his or her suffering. Usually, lending a pair of ears or showing genuine care in the long run will help. We should not avoid the situation or stay away from them because if we do, then our loving concern for others is liable to decrease.


Secondly, dealing with anger or the affliction/delusion itself.

I like what Shantideva said,
“If you are going to get angry at something, get angry at mental afflictions, because people are just puppets on the end of the string of their own mental afflictions. If you are going to get angry, direct your wrath towards mental afflictions.”

When we talk about delusions, the root of the delusions is ignorance (of cause and effect), so one develops the delusions such as aversion/hatred, attachment, pride. To abandon delusion for good, one must apply the antidote to ignorance and to grasping at a self through selflessness.

For practitioners, The Kadampa masters advised that the best attainment is developing faith in cause and effect, living in pure ethics, and eliminating one’s delusions and negative states of mind. By having faith in cause and effect, one is able to live in pure ethics, and by living in pure ethics, one is able to eliminate the delusions from one’s mind.


Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: pgdharma on June 30, 2011, 08:56:40 AM
Yes I agree that an angry mind is due to habituation and if  we do not change that habituation it will get deeper and  stronger. It is not easy to change but through time and mindful cultivation of mindfulness and patience, this anger can be curbed. The 8 verses of mind transformation posted by triesa is a guideline for us to follow and put into practice. It maybe difficult in  the  beginning but in the end it will be of  benefit.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Helena on July 01, 2011, 12:19:20 AM
DSFriend asked whether we should stay away from angry people as a start to minimize such occurrences and what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, and how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.

First, dealing with the angry person.

Geshe Kelsang Gyatso in his book Transform Your life: A Blissful Journey mentions that,
All the faults we see in people are actually the faults of their delusions, not of the people themselves. If someone is angry, we think "He is a bad and angry person,' whereas Buddhas think 'He is a suffering being afflicted with the inner disease of anger.' If a friend of ours were suffering cancer we would not blame him for his physical disease, and, in the same way, if someone is suffering from anger or attachment we should not blame him for the diseases of his mind.

In the fourth of the Eight Verses of Mind Transformation, it is said:
Whenever I meet a person of bad nature
overwhelmed by negative energy and intense suffering
I will hold such a rare one dear
as if I've found a precious treasure


If we practice the path of a Bodhisattva, then of course, not correcting others who are motivated by delusions is one of the downfall hence we should try our best to help relieve that deluded and angry person from his or her suffering. Usually, lending a pair of ears or showing genuine care in the long run will help. We should not avoid the situation or stay away from them because if we do, then our loving concern for others is liable to decrease.


Secondly, dealing with anger or the affliction/delusion itself.

I like what Shantideva said,
“If you are going to get angry at something, get angry at mental afflictions, because people are just puppets on the end of the string of their own mental afflictions. If you are going to get angry, direct your wrath towards mental afflictions.”

When we talk about delusions, the root of the delusions is ignorance (of cause and effect), so one develops the delusions such as aversion/hatred, attachment, pride. To abandon delusion for good, one must apply the antidote to ignorance and to grasping at a self through selflessness.

For practitioners, The Kadampa masters advised that the best attainment is developing faith in cause and effect, living in pure ethics, and eliminating one’s delusions and negative states of mind. By having faith in cause and effect, one is able to live in pure ethics, and by living in pure ethics, one is able to eliminate the delusions from one’s mind.

Beautifully put, VP and thank you so much for sharing this valuable advice.
We are indeed puppets because we are not in control as we often like to think we are.
Our delusions and mental afflictions are the ones in control.
It is a great pity many of us do not realise this and even recognise this. Because we keep making others "pay for the results" of our own mental afflictions.
As much as we need help, others need help and understanding too.

In the Lamrim, it is said that anger can even reduce Mount Meru into ashes. Imagine what anger does to the eons of merits we have painstakingly accumulated over lifetimes. Totally wiped out in a matter of seconds due to our anger.

 
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: dsiluvu on July 03, 2011, 07:17:52 PM
I too suffer from an angry mind... it is always easier said then done when someone says just practise this or that. Why? This is because believe it or not we just don't even have enough merits to actually practise what we've learnt. So I would not even talk about the 8 verses to someone who is angry... I can imagine when I am angry... the last thing I need to hear is someone telling me the 8 verses...sad hu..but it's a fact. AT that time when you are angry... the only way I think... to really not react back is to really just bite your tongue, go away, for smoke, for a walk or whatever for a while and really avoid yourself from reacting immediately. How? Just force yourself to "control" yourself. Yes I think that is the real key word here...

Besides that on a daily basis if you can chant the MigTseMa mantra as much as you can. This really works as I speak from experinece when I was going through a very bad time in life... always angry, depress and destructive! The Migtsema mantra is really like magic and it has so many benefits plus if you do Gaden Lhagyalma... it encompasses even purification. Since MigTseMa is Lama Tsongkhapa and 3 Buddhas of Compassion, Wisdom and Skilful Means... you will be sure to get these 3 Buddhas blessing all at the same time. I would highly recommend to start this as really it really works! It lifts you from so many level... and if you have the time and can engage in Mistsema retreats... even better.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Carpenter on May 03, 2012, 07:15:56 PM
Basically when people have very minimal patience, they tend to be very easy to get angry, especially when we are so concern about our own benefit (being it with material or spiritual benefit), the moment when we lose it, we lose the “benefit” that we are working so hard with, we will lose our mind easily, why is that so? It is because when our priority is only for one person, or only ourselves, you can clearly see how much patient these people have.

When we are with someone who are angersm, there is no way we can talk something very logic and calm them down, because when we are angry, we can’t even think properly. So when we can’t change other people, then we can only change ourselves, change our own perception.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Q on May 04, 2012, 09:56:53 AM
What should we practice when faced with people with anger  who dishes out hurtful words and causes mental and emotional abuse?

Do we stay away from them as a start to minimize such occurrences?

If it's not possible to stay away from such circumstances/peoples, then what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.

When I read this post, it reminded me of my friend... who have anger issues. I'm not perfect, I too have anger in me, but my friend's case is rather severe to the extent that she has ruined her relationship with people she loves such as her parents, brother, her boyfriend and even friends... I understand her situation and her anger issues which is why instead of reacting to her angry, my actions was always one that try to calm her down... so far, it has always been successful.

However, anger is a powerful 'force' and I must agree with what most people have already mentioned about anger, particularly "anger is due to habituation". Some people just have so much anger in them... my friend has thrown mobile phones against the wall... and even wanted to jump down a 3 story building due to so much anger boiling in her (yeah, she probably wont die from a 3 story jump... but the fact that she had the thought is bad enough).

Whenever this friend of mine turns up angry... most of the time over little things that shouldn't matter at all, I would really have to practice patience. Depending on the situation, sometimes I would leave her alone for awhile until she cools down, but sometimes I'll settle the issue there and then. It is tough... I have recommended her to do some personal prayers to calm her mind... the same sadhana I started out with when I first entered Tibetan Buddhism, but her mind is just so resistant to spirituality. She is currently practicing a different religion, but she also refuses to get involved in any activities held by her place of refuge.

I don't mean to nag here... but just expressing some challenges people actually face and how damaging anger is... I have no idea how to prevent a person from being angry, all I know is how to ride the tide and make sure the person don't do anything that is physical damaging, and try to make the duration of a person's anger lessen... I really wish there's a special mantra I can recite to stop a person from being angry hahaha....
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: bambi on May 04, 2012, 05:58:43 PM
I have many relatives who are so anger some all the time. They blame everything in their life. I feel sad for them as they do not understand Dharma. They always think that I am practicing some cult whenever I am doing my prayers or offerings. My mum is one of them and I am so happy that recently she has changed to be more understanding. I used to talk to her about Dharma but she didnt have the merits to understand and she'll actually scold me for lecturing her so I left it alone and not talk Dharma in any obvious nor direct ways. I do not want her to create more negative karma with what she says. It was very disturbing but I did not let it stop nor made me doubt practicing Dharma MORE. In time, I know that my relatives will see how Dharma made me better and I pray that they too will benefit from it.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Midakpa on May 04, 2012, 06:26:54 PM
It is true what DSFriend said that if we become victims of angry people, it's because of our own karma. I think knowing dharma helps a lot in dealing with angry people. Then we don't become "victims" because we understand the source of anger and we respond with love and understanding instead of the usual "tit for tat".

According to Thich Nhat Hanh in his book "Anger", "all of us have a seed of anger in the depth of our consciousness. But in some of us, that seed of anger is bigger than our other seeds - like love or compassion. The seed of anger may be bigger because we have not practiced in the past. When we begin to cultivate the energy of mindfulness, the first insight we have is that the main cause of our suffering, of our misery, is not the other person - it is the seed of anger  in us. Then we will stop blaming the other person for causing all our suffering. We realize she or he is only a secondary cause."

It is clear that the people who know dharma will be able to deal with anger better than those with no dharma. If we realize that the other person is suffering, we will overcome our own emotions and focus attention on the other person. Compassion is the antidote to anger.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: ratanasutra on May 05, 2012, 08:44:22 AM
i learn a lot from this thread..
Yes, to have dharma knowledge and apply it to practice daily it help us to understand and have a right view of what happening and react in the right way with fully awareness and concious. Since we can't avoid or change it so we must deal with angry person or angry mind with understanding mind.

Mostly person who full with anger will end up to be lonely and bitter as they blame the whole world and unhappy with everything.. very sad for that.

White tara mantra is a very powerful mantra to recite daily, it help people to have less anger. Or focus on Chenrezig who is buddha of compassion, by be kind and have compassion to other it can help our mind to lessen anger as well. 
 
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: negra orquida on May 05, 2012, 09:33:32 AM
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What should we practice when faced with people with anger who dishes out hurtful words and causes mental and emotional abuse?

Do we stay away from them as a start to minimize such occurrences?

If it's not possible to stay away from such circumstances/peoples, then what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.

Buddha Shakyamuni once said:

“Where is anger for one freed from anger,
Who is subdued and lives perfectly equanimous,
Who truly knowing is wholly freed,
Supremely tranquil and equipoised?
He who repays an angry man in kind
Is worse than the angry man;
Who does not repay anger in kind,
He alone wins the battle hard to win.
He promotes the wealth of both,
His own, as well as of the other.
Knowing that the other man is angry,
He mindfully maintains his peace
And endures the anger of both,
His own, as well as of the other,
Even if the people ignorant of true wisdom
Consider him a fool thereby.”


Based on the above quote, one of the ways to deal with a person who is consumed by anger is to not react back to the person in anger or in a negative way.  Yes, it can be quite difficult, especially if that person is someone whom we hold dear to our hearts or we have certain expectations of them about how they should behave. 

It may help to "zoom out" of the situation and see that: "this person is not the person I know.. This person is being controlled by anger, this is anger speaking."

I don't think we can keep on avoiding angry people or situations where we have to face angry people... if we could then how can we practice true patience?

If we can't change the person, then it is us that has to change.  The person is angry, is it their "fault"? Who are we to tell someone that they ought not to get angry? We should instead watch our own minds and see how we react to such person, and work on ourself first.  There are people who came from abusive families, but they are more positive and kind and self motivated than most of us. Others are not so fortunate.  Different personalities and futures from similar backgrounds.  Why? It is the perspective we choose to see from.  Having Dharma knowledge and faith in the 3 Jewels would of course help a lot.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Jessie Fong on May 05, 2012, 09:46:24 AM
I have come across many people who are so full of anger - angry not only because of someone but also because of something or a situation.  They held on to the anger, not wanting to let go.  Imagine their chests heaving high and low, with so much anger inside them ready to explode anytime.

They did not learn to let go as they could not see beyond the situation.  I pray for them to be touched by Dharma so that they can appreciate that letting go is so much better for their body and soul.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Positive Change on May 05, 2012, 05:52:28 PM
Where does the angry mind stem from? If we recognise that fundamental flaw in us all, we can perhaps stop or refrain from letter anger rear its ugly head. For me personally i find what keeps me in check iands the realization that my anger comes from within me and no one 'makes' me angry but i 'get' angry pretty much all on my own. The fact that i sm the master of my own emotions, in this case, my anger... It seems frivolous or silly to even begin to suffer the angst of anger. That is how i deal with my own angry mind. And if confronted by another's anger, the very same realization helps in dealing with that too because i do not let that person suck me into the pervasive mind game of guilt... That i made them angry etc... Having said that we do not provike another and say... "sorry you are master of your own emotion so.... Tough!" :)
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Manjushri on May 06, 2012, 03:58:23 AM
Anger is continually present in our mindstreams, everyone has that 'emotion'. But how we control it, how we let it affect us and how we react with anger is all within our control. The more we become angry, the more frequent we let anger take over us, the easier it'll become for one to get angry and react. It almost becomes second nature. And an instance of anger within our mindstreams burns eons of merits that we have. Oh my! Imagine how much merits we have already burned just by getting angry!

Back to the question..   

What should we practice when faced with people with anger  who dishes out hurtful words and causes mental and emotional abuse?

Do we stay away from them as a start to minimize such occurrences?

If it's not possible to stay away from such circumstances/peoples, then what should we meditate on regarding the afflicted person, how to prevent getting trapped into an unpleasant situation.

As what has been said, what we face and experience with others, is dependant on our karma. We have created the situation, and therefore must experience the returned consequences. I find that remembering the 8 verses of thought transformation is a good way to deal with people who are angry, as by practising the 8 verses, patience comes into play. Why? Because with spiritualism, as practitioners, we remember that all our actions will bring forth a result, and with that immediately patience and understanding will be what you will act out of. From that, you will know how to act and deal with the situation when abused by anger. And you not reacting with your own anger will also calm the mind of the other party down.

How often or how much can you stay away from that person? What if that person is a family member? Staying away from them might only serve to harm them further. What can we do? React back (not with anger), but with love, kindness, patience and compassion. Yes, it is hard, but it will calm the minds of the other party down, and think of how much damage they are doing to themselves with their anger.. will you be the fuel to add on to it, or the water to cool it down? That helps me.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: RedLantern on May 06, 2012, 07:46:13 AM
It is important to understand that anger is something created by ourselves.Avoiding anger is easier said than done.People have trouble managing everyday anger,annoyance and irritations that run through their minds.
The problem with anger,like all problems,is attachment.Giving in to the impulses of anger,allowing anger to hook us and jerk us around ,is weakness.It takes strength to acknowledge the fear and selfishness in which our anger usually is rooted.Practice forgiveness for letting go of anger.It is not difficult ,once we really accept that.Buddha taught method for counteracting anger and for purifying karma created by anger.
Buddhism teaches us how to look at the situation from a different perspective and how to interpret events in a different way.If we do that ,we will find there is no reason to get angry to start with.Then there is no anger to express or suppress.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: sonamdhargey on May 06, 2012, 08:58:10 AM
Anger is something very hard to avoid hence by realizing that we are angry and controlling that anger is the best way to deal with our angry minds for a start. When anger arises, ask ourselves where does it come from? How it was triggered? Mostly we would think that our anger are caused from external factors. Some people get angry at themselves, some people get angry on a situation and some people get angry from the actions from another person. Whichever way it arises it is all created from our own thoughts that leads us to be feeling angry. Being angry is not wrong but how we react when we are angry is crucial and if we reacted badly then sometimes can be disastrous or very damaging to others and ourselves.

Take a positive approach on how we deal with our anger, ask ourself again and again what are the consequences of our actions if we acted in an uncontrolled manner where we keep flaring up, being hurtful and spiral out of control. Chronic, explosive anger can have serious consequences for your relationships, your health, and your state of mind. Control your anger before it controls you.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: KhedrubGyatso on May 07, 2012, 04:53:31 AM
There are several ways to deal with angry people who vent their emotions on us.
A quick gross way is to avoid confrontation or tolerate and allow the person’s anger lose steam. In situations where the angry person may be in a threatening mood and is ready to explode, such a passive method may work well under the circumstances. However, this will not work in the long term because we can reach our limit of tolerance very easily and we will lose control sooner or later and will respond back with increased anger.
For more realistic solutions mind training is required. A Buddhist method is  to develop equanimity which does not label people as friends, enemies and strangers. If we are mindful that the person who is directing his anger at us is not an enemy but as someone who is suffering from the temporary illness/ disease of anger and who had also been kind to us in many ways in the past and have the capacity to be kind to us in future, it will transform tolerance into patient acceptance which has more power to reduce or remove our own angry seeds from being triggered when dealing with adversities. There are even higher methods which can permanently remove all our negativities such as realizing  selflessness, bodhicitta or the correct view of emptiness.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: DSFriend on May 12, 2012, 01:21:07 PM

For more realistic solutions mind training is required. A Buddhist method is  to develop equanimity which does not label people as friends, enemies and strangers. If we are mindful that the person who is directing his anger at us is not an enemy but as someone who is suffering from the temporary illness/ disease of anger and who had also been kind to us in many ways in the past and have the capacity to be kind to us in future, it will transform tolerance into patient acceptance which has more power to reduce or remove our own angry seeds from being triggered when dealing with adversities. There are even higher methods which can permanently remove all our negativities such as realizing  selflessness, bodhicitta or the correct view of emptiness.

That's the preciousness of Dharma isn't it! Many self help teachings show us how to deal with the symtoms which is great help for the moment. I do appreciate them very much as often times, I find myself in such situations and not getting sucked into it like falling into some quicksand is the immediate focus.

However, eliminating the angry seeds is what I am after. When i think about it this way, it is the angry minds that I am thankful for as it further strengthens my wish to rid off these seeds. I certainly do not want to have a twisted, ugly angry face! Who would want that eh!   
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: ilikeshugden on May 13, 2012, 03:35:15 AM
We should practice to keep our mind calm when facing angry minds. We can do so by chanting mantras, like OM MANI PADME HUM. Chanting mantras really help. Trust me. If possible, refrain from making too much contact with them as u do not want them to create more negative emotions in their mind. Prevent them from making more bad karma.
Title: Re: Dealing with angry minds
Post by: Dondrup Shugden on February 25, 2015, 11:21:41 AM
It is interesting to note, how when "Dealing with angry minds" is discussed, we tend to look at being victims to outside angry minds.

Dealing with people with angry minds is really not that difficult although it may be uncomfortable.  We can either keep quiet, (let them win) sooth them (encouraging their inhabituation) or oven walk away.  In any way, are we contributing to them to be better off.

However, it is the experience of having dealt with our own angry minds that we will have the patience, compassion and some level of wisdom and methods to deal with other angry minds.

Dealing with our own angry mind is the most difficult and I totally agree that being mindful cultivated from studying the 8 verse of mind transformation and practice thereon is the only solution.

Let us pray that we can curb our own anger to be of value to propagate the wisdom of the Dharma.