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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: thaimonk on November 13, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
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(2616) Anonymous
13 November 2010 15:46:52
I'm an ex-NKT member. I dropped out because we were told to go for protests against the Dalai Lama and not to question as it is the teacher's instructions. My parents and friends found the protests very disturbing and why I would be involved in it. I wrote to head office but no one replied my emails re why we have to be so political.
Geshe Kelsang's own root Guru Trijang Rinpoche has moderate views about Dalai Lama and shouldn't that be the example?
I didn't like the protests at all. I join NKT to learn and practice dharma and it was good until the protests.
While in NKT, we are discouraged to go on the internet, forums, discussions and the likes as it waste time. If we went on it, it is bad karma as we are going against the teacher's advice.
Has that policy changed? I see a few NKT people on the forum. They stand out clearly as they are always undharmically speaking against the Dalai Lama. To them he is like the Anti-christ or something. Their rhetoric is very distinctive.I find this part of the organization very uncomfortable. EVERYTHING IS ELSE IS VERY GOOD TO ME.
Anonymous
source: guestbook
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Should this person listen to the Guru or their own 'wisdom'? ???
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Not everyone speaks Undharmically about the DL.
I went protesting with the others my motivation was compassion for those suffering, Of course I would have prefered a symbolic silent protest.
If one believes in this bigger picture then you would know we have a part to play In helping spread Dorje shugdens name throughout the world the Dalai lamas actions set the stage for the spread and the protests set it in motion.
Or if you do not take to this view it is in my specific opinion that it is a Fundemental human right for people to have freedom to practise without people creating hindrances for them, So regardless of which one you choose to believe geshe-la said that if you could not refrain from getting angry you should certainly not go to them because it wasnt about becoming angry with the Dalai lama it was requesting him to listen as he has continually ignored all requests for dialouge.
Many people didnt want to protest and thats fair enough no one forces you to do anything you dont like but for those who did the majority of us went and generated compassion before engaing in such actions.
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Not everyone speaks Undharmically about the DL.
I went protesting with the others my motivation was compassion for those suffering, Of course I would have prefered a symbolic silent protest.
If one believes in this bigger picture then you would know we have a part to play In helping spread Dorje shugdens name throughout the world the Dalai lamas actions set the stage for the spread and the protests set it in motion.
Or if you do not take to this view it is in my specific opinion that it is a Fundemental human right for people to have freedom to practise without people creating hindrances for them, So regardless of which one you choose to believe geshe-la said that if you could not refrain from getting angry you should certainly not go to them because it wasnt about becoming angry with the Dalai lama it was requesting him to listen as he has continually ignored all requests for dialouge.
Many people didnt want to protest and thats fair enough no one forces you to do anything you dont like but for those who did the majority of us went and generated compassion before engaing in such actions.
Hi Zach
I had not enjoyed seeing the protests because i had felt it was disrespectful of HH Dalai Lama BUT i do think that the protests fulfilled a certain role in the bigger picture.
If your guru had asked you to protest, i have no comment on it as you are following your guru's instructions. But it must have been a dilemma for those who wanted to exercise guru devotion yet did not agree with the protests, like the anonymous poster in the guest book said. Did you see any of this yourself?
Is it true that NKT discourages people from participating in forums? (sorry - i am presuming that you're a member of NKT?)
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Not everyone speaks Undharmically about the DL.
I went protesting with the others my motivation was compassion for those suffering, Of course I would have prefered a symbolic silent protest.
If one believes in this bigger picture then you would know we have a part to play In helping spread Dorje shugdens name throughout the world the Dalai lamas actions set the stage for the spread and the protests set it in motion.
Or if you do not take to this view it is in my specific opinion that it is a Fundemental human right for people to have freedom to practise without people creating hindrances for them, So regardless of which one you choose to believe geshe-la said that if you could not refrain from getting angry you should certainly not go to them because it wasnt about becoming angry with the Dalai lama it was requesting him to listen as he has continually ignored all requests for dialouge.
Many people didnt want to protest and thats fair enough no one forces you to do anything you dont like but for those who did the majority of us went and generated compassion before engaing in such actions.
Hi Zach
I had not enjoyed seeing the protests because i had felt it was disrespectful of HH Dalai Lama BUT i do think that the protests fulfilled a certain role in the bigger picture.
If your guru had asked you to protest, i have no comment on it as you are following your guru's instructions. But it must have been a dilemma for those who wanted to exercise guru devotion yet did not agree with the protests, like the anonymous poster in the guest book said. Did you see any of this yourself?
Is it true that NKT discourages people from participating in forums? (sorry - i am presuming that you're a member of NKT?)
Personally I was unsure at first bought thought what the hey people are suffering and what is going on isnt right.
The use of forums ? Hm well I think that used to be the stance I dont know wheather it has changed or not but regarding places such as E-sangha and so forth that implanted people with distorted perceptions perhapes a few people consider it important to try and help undo the damage done to the reputation by using the formerly unvoiced platform. Of course its not like there is some sort of NKT police force that comes and checks if you are using forums or not. Why not use them if you can try and help others ?
Of course having said that one would be a pretty unsteady practitoner if your opinions changed through the sayings and doings of others ;)
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Personally I was unsure at first bought thought what the hey people are suffering and what is going on isnt right.
The use of forums ? Hm well I think that used to be the stance I dont know wheather it has changed or not but regarding places such as E-sangha and so forth that implanted people with distorted perceptions perhapes a few people consider it important to try and help undo the damage done to the reputation by using the formerly unvoiced platform. Of course its not like there is some sort of NKT police force that comes and checks if you are using forums or not. Why not use them if you can try and help others ?
Of course having said that one would be a pretty unsteady practitoner if your opinions changed through the sayings and doings of others ;)
Hi Zach,
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm sure there isn't an NKT police force but I'm just curious - aren't we supposed to follow our Guru's instructions - whether it benefits others or not is besides the point? Otherwise we become selective and choose which advice our Gurus give to follow and which not to? I also read somewhere that Geshe Kelsang says that his students should not read Dharma texts by other Gurus. Is this true and do his students follow that? I'm sure there's no NKT police on that too. I'm just trying to understand the policies of NKT.
Agreed that one would be pretty unstable if we can be so easily swayed but I'm sure there is a reason why Geshela gave the instructions he gives :)
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Not everyone speaks Undharmically about the DL.
I went protesting with the others my motivation was compassion for those suffering, Of course I would have prefered a symbolic silent protest.
Thanks Zach for your sharing.
It is usually a few acting and speaking undharmically that puts down the dharma...sad but true. Of course as long as we are in samsara, this is bound to happen to anyone of us. What I like about this forum is that the rules put in place is precisely to help us practice awareness of our speech as what we say will plant seeds in others' minds.
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I also read somewhere that Geshe Kelsang says that his students should not read Dharma texts by other Gurus. Is this true and do his students follow that?
Hi,
As far as I gather from NKT members : Geshe Kelsang does not forbid his students to read Dharma texts by other Gurus. It is the policy of NKT centres that only Dharma texts written by Geshe Kelsang are used for their education programs at all NKT Centres.
If you have read any of Geshe Kelsang's books, you will know that his books are very structured and they are particularly useful for training up Dharma teachers. I suppose the two obvious reasons why only his books are taught at NKT centres are :
1) to practice guru devotion
2) to avoid confusion in the minds of students whose dharma foundation is not yet stable.
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I also read somewhere that Geshe Kelsang says that his students should not read Dharma texts by other Gurus. Is this true and do his students follow that?
Hi,
As far as I gather from NKT members : Geshe Kelsang does not forbid his students to read Dharma texts by other Gurus. It is the policy of NKT centres that only Dharma texts written by Geshe Kelsang are used for their education programs at all NKT Centres.
If you have read any of Geshe Kelsang's books, you will know that his books are very structured and they are particularly useful for training up Dharma teachers. I suppose the two obvious reasons why only his books are taught at NKT centres are :
1) to practice guru devotion
2) to avoid confusion in the minds of students whose dharma foundation is not yet stable.
Dear Kurava
Thanks for the clarification - it seems logical!
Cheers!
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Personally I was unsure at first bought thought what the hey people are suffering and what is going on isnt right.
The use of forums ? Hm well I think that used to be the stance I dont know wheather it has changed or not but regarding places such as E-sangha and so forth that implanted people with distorted perceptions perhapes a few people consider it important to try and help undo the damage done to the reputation by using the formerly unvoiced platform. Of course its not like there is some sort of NKT police force that comes and checks if you are using forums or not. Why not use them if you can try and help others ?
Of course having said that one would be a pretty unsteady practitoner if your opinions changed through the sayings and doings of others ;)
Hi Zach,
Thanks for the quick reply. I'm sure there isn't an NKT police force but I'm just curious - aren't we supposed to follow our Guru's instructions - whether it benefits others or not is besides the point? Otherwise we become selective and choose which advice our Gurus give to follow and which not to? I also read somewhere that Geshe Kelsang says that his students should not read Dharma texts by other Gurus. Is this true and do his students follow that? I'm sure there's no NKT police on that too. I'm just trying to understand the policies of NKT.
Agreed that one would be pretty unstable if we can be so easily swayed but I'm sure there is a reason why Geshela gave the instructions he gives :)
Of course we should follow our gurus instructions but we should always check with a wise mind, In this case some people if they visited a forum could have their faith destroyed as has happened at a few sights when they ask about the NKT or geshe-la they are bombarded with negativity and distorted views, The spiritual guides advice is very personal my faith is unwavering my personal experiences do not confirm the accusations of others so In order to help other beings as according to the vows there is a pretty simple way to accomplish this by showing correct discipline and being kind to those of other followings soon helps change a sterotype of wrong views that has been painted in their minds by others, And most importantly for those whom waiver on the path I would try to help them not by reinforcing their delusions of perception but by trying to help them use wisdom analysis and not listen to the gossip of others but use their own personal experience as a basis for validification in the case having perceived only good but being shaken by false speech.
And no as Kuarva has said there is no policy of only being allowed to read Geshe-la's books his writings are only used for the study programes as their meaning is very clear and easy to translate for a western auidence and give practical teacher training to those who go on the appropriate course, People are welcome to read whatever they want in the time being.
If you want to understand the policies of the NKT i would have a look at the internal rules. :)
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Of course we should follow our gurus instructions but we should always check with a wise mind, In this case some people if they visited a forum could have their faith destroyed as has happened at a few sights when they ask about the NKT or geshe-la they are bombarded with negativity and distorted views, The spiritual guides advice is very personal my faith is unwavering my personal experiences do not confirm the accusations of others so In order to help other beings as according to the vows there is a pretty simple way to accomplish this by showing correct discipline and being kind to those of other followings soon helps change a sterotype of wrong views that has been painted in their minds by others, And most importantly for those whom waiver on the path I would try to help them not by reinforcing their delusions of perception but by trying to help them use wisdom analysis and not listen to the gossip of others but use their own personal experience as a basis for validification in the case having perceived only good but being shaken by false speech.
And no as Kuarva has said there is no policy of only being allowed to read Geshe-la's books his writings are only used for the study programes as their meaning is very clear and easy to translate for a western auidence and give practical teacher training to those who go on the appropriate course, People are welcome to read whatever they want in the time being.
If you want to understand the policies of the NKT i would have a look at the internal rules. :)
Dear Zach,
when you mentioned that some people who visit a forum can get their faith destroyed if they read negative views, that really made me grateful again that in this forum at least, no Lama or Guru should be criticised, and that is across the board, be it Geshe Kelsang Gyatso or the Dalai Lama.
Even though these lamas may not be my Gurus directly, they are somebody's Guru and i think that the requirement that everyone who participates in this forum be respectful to all Gurus is laudable.
Thanks for referring me to the internal rules of the NKT. Is it online anywhere?
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Might be worth visiting http://www.newkadampatruth.org/new-kadampa-tradition/
To see extracts and also emailing them for a copy either that or head office. :)
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Thanks for the link, Zach. I found it quite interesting. I didn't know that NKT members were banned from E-Sangha!
I liked the way NKT presented the 'smears' and their 'truths'. Informative for someone like me who has heard/read a lot of criticisms of NKT. This is a good FAQ..
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Thanks for the link, Zach. I found it quite interesting. I didn't know that NKT members were banned from E-Sangha!
I liked the way NKT presented the 'smears' and their 'truths'. Informative for someone like me who has heard/read a lot of criticisms of NKT. This is a good FAQ..
Yes how did you not know ? LOL
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Thanks for the link, Zach. I found it quite interesting. I didn't know that NKT members were banned from E-Sangha!
I liked the way NKT presented the 'smears' and their 'truths'. Informative for someone like me who has heard/read a lot of criticisms of NKT. This is a good FAQ..
Yes how did you not know ? LOL
Zach - i haven't been to e-sangha for awhile. The site was down at one stage. Why was NKT members banned in e-sangha anyway? For promoting Shugden?
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Dear Wisdombeing
This has some backround info to your question
http://newkadampatruth.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/e-sangha-and-sect-bashing-continuation-of-the-cult-smear-history/
With best wishes
Robert
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Thanks for the link, Zach. I found it quite interesting. I didn't know that NKT members were banned from E-Sangha!
I liked the way NKT presented the 'smears' and their 'truths'. Informative for someone like me who has heard/read a lot of criticisms of NKT. This is a good FAQ..
Yes how did you not know ? LOL
Zach - i haven't been to e-sangha for awhile. The site was down at one stage. Why was NKT members banned in e-sangha anyway? For promoting Shugden?
Mainly and for disagreeing with the DL.
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Not everyone speaks Undharmically about the DL.
I went protesting with the others my motivation was compassion for those suffering, Of course I would have prefered a symbolic silent protest.
So regardless of which one you choose to believe geshe-la said that if you could not refrain from getting angry you should certainly not go to them because it wasnt about becoming angry with the Dalai lama it was requesting him to listen as he has continually ignored all requests for dialouge.
Zach, I thank you very much for sharing this. I, like Wisdom Being, was saddened to see people protesting against a high lama (Dalai Lama) but I understand your explanation here very well and I do agree that it served a purpose in drawing awareness to the difficulties faced by DS practitioners.
I like what you said here especially: geshe-la said that if you could not refrain from getting angry you should certainly not go to them because it wasnt about becoming angry with the Dalai lama it was requesting him to listen
It is really beautiful to hear what lamas say about the situation and that what comes out of their mouth is never negative, angry or critical of the dalai lama, but tries to offer a solution and a way to help those who are suffering. I think it is so key what he has said about not attending these protests if we cannot refrain from getting angry - I agree there is already too much anger in this equation and people get quite aggressive, personal and emotional when they speak about the issue, which may sometimes not be necessary or in fact add more negativity to the situation. It's always important to have both good motivation and the sense to check if our actions are actually beneficial or not: compassion AND wisdom!
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Geshe-la also said the protests were actually loving the Dalai Lama, showing him he made a mistake. He said how sad it is that these people of the same family, with the same father Trijang Rinpoche were now divided, so he has tried to solve this. First with private actions and letters, then more publicly, finally with Demos etc. Trying to reach the Dalai Lama and end the divisions. As Geshe-la has said, this situation is so sad.
I personally feel that throughout Geshe-la's actions have been those of a brother who has had to act wrathfully to try to stop his errant sibling from further harming himself and others.
Anyway, that's been my experience!
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Geshe-la also said the protests were actually loving the Dalai Lama, showing him he made a mistake. He said how sad it is that these people of the same family, with the same father Trijang Rinpoche were now divided, so he has tried to solve this. First with private actions and letters, then more publicly, finally with Demos etc. Trying to reach the Dalai Lama and end the divisions. As Geshe-la has said, this situation is so sad.
I personally feel that throughout Geshe-la's actions have been those of a brother who has had to act wrathfully to try to stop his errant sibling from further harming himself and others.
Anyway, that's been my experience!
I would never have joined the protests. But I fully understand why Geshe Kelsang had them done and I respect his actions. I am sure there were positive results.
Even though I would not have joined, I like the way you write about it. You are in agreemant with the protests and you support, but you don't cram it down other's throats or 'fight' against those who don't agree. You are not rude, crass and sarcastic toward those who do not agree. You are indeed how I would like to read items on this forum.
We are not welcomed on E- sangha because we practice Dorje Shugden so this is a good platform for us. We need it for ourselves and many new people who wish to understand more.
Please keep up your great attitude, as you speak volumes for your teacher and practice.
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Geshe-la also said the protests were actually loving the Dalai Lama, showing him he made a mistake. He said how sad it is that these people of the same family, with the same father Trijang Rinpoche were now divided, so he has tried to solve this. First with private actions and letters, then more publicly, finally with Demos etc. Trying to reach the Dalai Lama and end the divisions. As Geshe-la has said, this situation is so sad.
I personally feel that throughout Geshe-la's actions have been those of a brother who has had to act wrathfully to try to stop his errant sibling from further harming himself and others.
Anyway, that's been my experience!
I would never have joined the protests. But I fully understand why Geshe Kelsang had them done and I respect his actions. I am sure there were positive results.
Even though I would not have joined, I like the way you write about it. You are in agreemant with the protests and you support, but you don't cram it down other's throats or 'fight' against those who don't agree. You are not rude, crass and sarcastic toward those who do not agree. You are indeed how I would like to read items on this forum.
We are not welcomed on E- sangha because we practice Dorje Shugden so this is a good platform for us. We need it for ourselves and many new people who wish to understand more.
Please keep up your great attitude, as you speak volumes for your teacher and practice.
Both Robert Thomas and Thaimonk nicely said. Good approach.
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Agreed re Thaimonk and Robert's posts. This is what i have been harping on for ages. It's all about the tone of the message. I don't feel any personal animosity from Robert so it's very refreshing.
As Thaimonk said,
You are in agreement with the protests and you support, but you don't cram it down other's throats or 'fight' against those who don't agree. You are not rude, crass and sarcastic toward those who do not agree. You are indeed how I would like to read items on this forum.
Ditto!
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I'm really happy to see these recent posts and the very gentle, peaceful way in which they are expressed. I think it is clear by now that all of us here do not agree with the ban or with some of the dalai lama's actions or even what he has said. But there are many ways to express this without being damaging and to maintain respect to the millions who are the dalai lama's disciples around the world.
thank you zach w and Robert Thomas for showing us such moderate and peaceful methods to get across what can be a difficult point.
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Geshe-la also said the protests were actually loving the Dalai Lama, showing him he made a mistake. He said how sad it is that these people of the same family, with the same father Trijang Rinpoche were now divided, so he has tried to solve this. First with private actions and letters, then more publicly, finally with Demos etc. Trying to reach the Dalai Lama and end the divisions. As Geshe-la has said, this situation is so sad.
I personally feel that throughout Geshe-la's actions have been those of a brother who has had to act wrathfully to try to stop his errant sibling from further harming himself and others.
Anyway, that's been my experience!
Personally I would not have protested as well, but I can appreciate your views and respect it.
Thank you for sharing in the way that reflects your Guru's teachings, RT.
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Geshe Kelsang has such a bad reputation because of the protests. This prevents him from spreading the dharma much further. It makes him look political. His motivation is good, but the method did more damage than good. The Dalai Lama did not lift the ban, but many 'banned' Geshe Kelsang unfortunately.
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Geshe Kelsang has such a bad reputation because of the protests. This prevents him from spreading the dharma much further. It makes him look political. His motivation is good, but the method did more damage than good. The Dalai Lama did not lift the ban, but many 'banned' Geshe Kelsang unfortunately.
This is incorrect because the Dalai Lama has no power to control Geshe Kelsang or the NKT and Geshe Kelsang is still a very highly respected Teacher among the wise. The Dalai Lama is unable to ban anything outside of Tibetan society.
It is true that the Dalai Lama is trying to prevent the spreading of Kadam Dharma by trying to have all Shugden practitioners regarded as demon worshippers, but those who read 'A Great Deception' and realise its real meaning will understand the truth. This is one reason why that book is so important because it clearly shows that Dorje Shugden is an emanation of the Wisdom Buddha and that the Dalai Lama's ban is part of a power game (including the Karmapa controversy) that is an attempt to position himself as the supreme political and religious head of Tibetan Buddhism. When people understand the truth, they won't buy into the ban. The main problem at the moment is that people have blind faith in the Dalai Lama without checking his reasons and intentions for instituting the ban. Therefore, the only purpose of 'A Great Deception' is to help people to develop wisdom that will prevent doubts, confusion, wrong views and sectarianism.
In the end, truth will win.
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As long as the protests happened in 2008 and still a few months laters the Dalai Lama issue was present on TV, radio, newspapers and in the internet. Since then, it is very calme. This clearly proves that demonstrations did their job very well.
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As long as the protests happened in 2008 and still a few months laters the Dalai Lama issue was present on TV, radio, newspapers and in the internet. Since then, it is very calme. This clearly proves that demonstrations did their job very well.
just curious - since the ban is still on, why did the protests stop? was there a directive to stop?
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That is a very good question:
Why did the protests stop? It did have effects. Why doesn't it continue? Too much negative backlash for NKT and Geshe Kelsang? The negative backlash was much more than the benefits? Will it continue again?
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i think - and i, truly, can't claim to speak for NKT or WSS so this is just my understanding - that the demos were a response, a countermeasure to oppose the renewed pressure that the TGIE applied in 2007/8 through the ID cards, signature campaigns, and so on. they had good results, certainly; but they were a very wrathful action and, clearly, upset a great many people. i think it was felt that the point had been made but to continue to demonstrate might not, at the time, serve any further beneficial purpose.
now, it seems, is the time for a more peaceful approach, to encourage more people to find out about the ban - by reading A Great Deception, for example. even this is strong medicine! but a powerful sickness requires strong measures. i think we can expect the approach to be somewhat more measured now, though.
karma changes and no one but the Enlightened beings can say what will be appropriate in the future, however. i think the WSS response will always be defensive, in reaction to the Dalai Lama's actions, however, rather than offensive. he stops the ban, the WSS disappears! he attacks, the WSS defends.
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A good observation, AC!
Karma does change as much as people do evolve.
Hence, different measures for different times.
This applies to everything - not just NKT but everything and everyone else.
Though not many people may understand or accept these different approaches - especially the radical, wrathful or painful ones, but just because some of us may not understand or accept, it doesn't mean that there are no real benefits which will arise in due course and time.
The same could be said about the HHDL's ban. Some can take this view, and some don't.
Either way - the best is how to not further create bad karma for ourselves and be more considerate of other people's minds. Some may require peaceful methods and only respond to peaceful methods. Some can tolerate or accept wrathful and radical methods, where as others will just shun from them.
This is why I appreciate this website so much. It gives me enough info to think for myself. It does not shove it down my throat and it does not encourage or persuade me to disparage others.
I like that and appreciate that a great deal.
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To me, it's sad that the Western Shugden Society has to exist at all to work for religious freedom.
It's a spiritual solution to a political problem. As AC says, if the Dalai Lama rescinded the ban today, WSS would cease to exist. It's a dependent arising.
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i think - and i, truly, can't claim to speak for NKT or WSS so this is just my understanding - that the demos were a response, a countermeasure to oppose the renewed pressure that the TGIE applied in 2007/8 through the ID cards, signature campaigns, and so on. they had good results, certainly; but they were a very wrathful action and, clearly, upset a great many people. i think it was felt that the point had been made but to continue to demonstrate might not, at the time, serve any further beneficial purpose.
now, it seems, is the time for a more peaceful approach, to encourage more people to find out about the ban - by reading A Great Deception, for example. even this is strong medicine! but a powerful sickness requires strong measures. i think we can expect the approach to be somewhat more measured now, though.
karma changes and no one but the Enlightened beings can say what will be appropriate in the future, however. i think the WSS response will always be defensive, in reaction to the Dalai Lama's actions, however, rather than offensive. he stops the ban, the WSS disappears! he attacks, the WSS defends.
If people can believe that NKT or perhaps WSS was employing wrathful action to ensure that Shugden's holy lineage and practice can continue, why can they accept that His Holiness is employing wrathful action too to propagate the lineage and practice of Shugden in another way.
I wonder why?
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If people can believe that NKT or perhaps WSS was employing wrathful action to ensure that Shugden's holy lineage and practice can continue, why can they (not) accept that His Holiness is employing wrathful action too to propagate the lineage and practice of Shugden in another way.
because the Dalai Lama's actions are - directly - destroying the lineage, whereas the WSS' actions are defending it.
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I'm frankly amazed that people cannot see that the Dalai Lama's actions are destroying the Gelugpa tradition through rejecting the practice of Dorje Shugden.
How are his actions beneficial, other than the fact that people get blessings whenever he says 'Shugden'? This is due to the power of Dorje Shugden and not the Dalai Lama.
It's like if I want to destroy the practise of Buddhism, I keep telling people 'don't practice that Buddhism, it's spirit worship'. Every time I say 'Buddha' or 'Buddhism', through the power of the purity of those objects, people receive benefit even though my intention is to destroy the practice.
The fact that people receive benefit from hearing the name 'Shugden' is not a good enough reason for me to believe that the Dalai Lama's actions are beneficial or well intentioned, especially when we can see that the reputation of Shugden practising groups is being harmed, not enhanced, through his defamation.
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I am very amazed why some people are just obsessed with the Dalai Lama? Counter what the Dalai Lama is saying by writing, educating and empowering:
Dorje Shugden's lineage
Lineage Lamas
Teachings of Je Tsongkapa
32 entourage of Dorje Shugden
benefits
centres around the world
etc etc
Why add more power to Dalai Lama by speaking of him again and again. You can read regarding the Dalai Lama everywhere and the ban. So when they come here, let them find more information that will make the ban logically and clearly undemocratic, tyrannical, oppressive, illogical (which it is) and how so many have been brow beaten into denying their lifelong practice. Let readers who come here see WHY THE BAN IS WRONG. Focus on the person making the ban is outdated. Focus on how silly the ban is should be the focus. Let our practice outlive the ban and the person who started the ban.
Just talking about the Dalai Lama over and over again is boring, old, and not helpful. Writing about all his supposed bad qualities make people who come here take a step back and make you seem like a disgruntled old rebel not taken seriously and dying for attention.
Focus on the supremes qualities, benefits, lineage, practice of Dorje Shugden so the bans is seen for what it truly is: INCORRECT.