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Title: China welcomes UK Tibet decision
Post by: LosangKhyentse on March 18, 2010, 10:58:39 AM: China welcomes UK Tibet decision

Zhu Weiqun speaks on Tibet
A senior Chinese official has welcomed the UK's decision to recognise Beijing's direct rule over Tibet.

Zhu Weiqun, who is leading talks with Tibetan exiles, told the BBC the move had brought the UK "in line with the universal position in today's world".

But Mr Zhu would not say whether it might be linked with Prime Minister Gordon Brown's efforts to bring China into a new world economic order.

Beijing says Tibet has been part of the Chinese nation since the 13th Century.

Many Tibetans disagree, pointing out that the Himalayan region was an independent kingdom for many centuries, and that Chinese rule over Tibet has not been constant.

After a brief military conflict between China and Tibet in the early part of the 20th Century, Tibet declared itself an independent republic in 1912.

China sent troops to Tibet in 1950 and summoned a Tibetan delegation the following year to sign a treaty ceding sovereignty.

'Criminal acts'

Since then there have been periods of unrest and sporadic uprisings as resentment to Beijing's rule has persisted, most recently in March, when there were riots and demonstrations both in Tibet and surrounding provinces.

Criminal acts like these have been dealt with according to law

Zhu Weiqun, Vice-Minister
United Front Work Department

China shows willingness to engage
Q&A: China and Tibet

The Chinese government says rioters killed at least 19 people, but Tibetan exiles say security forces killed dozens of protesters and were guilty of repression.

"I simply don't agree about repression," Mr Zhu told the BBC. "Tibetans are our brothers and sisters."

"Innocent civilians were hacked or burnt to death last March. In one shop, five girls, one of them an ethnic Tibetan, were set on fire and killed. Criminal acts like these have been dealt with according to law. Do you call this repression?"

On Monday, talks between Chinese officials and Tibetan exiles on the future of the Himalayan region ended after they failed to make any progress.

Mr Zhu is a vice-minister of the United Front Work Department, which conducts negotiations with Tibetan representatives.

He blamed this week's deadlock on the Tibetans, whom Mr Zhu believes still want independence.

The Tibetans have yet to comment officially, but the Dalai Lama, the head of exiled Central Tibetan Administration, has previously said he does not want independence for his homeland, only meaningful autonomy.

'Anachronism'

Despite the stalled discussions, Mr Zhu made it clear that China wanted them to continue.

"China has done everything it can to talk to the Dalai Lama," he said. "The door is still open."

The Dalai Lama's "middle way" seeks autonomy but not full independence

In a little publicised parliamentary statement on 29 October, UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband gave his strong backing to the talks and also backed the Dalai Lama's call for autonomy as a basis for agreement.

Mr Miliband also referred to a historic agreement dating back to the early 20th Century, which acknowledged China's "special position" in Tibet, but asserted that Tibet had never been fully part of the country.

Describing the policy as an "anachronism", he asserted: "Like every other EU member state, and the United States, we regard Tibet as part of the People's Republic of China."

Mr Zhu said his government appreciated the British statement.

"I think this is a recognition of an already existing objective fact," he said. "It has also brought the UK in line with the universal position in today's world."

BBC World Affairs editor John Simpson says Mr Zhu diplomatically sidestepped the question whether the British decision might be linked with Mr Brown's efforts to bring China into a new world economic order; though that is certainly what many observers think.

They also think the Dalai Lama's position has been weakened by the UK's decision, our correspondent says.

taken from:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7730774.stm

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The British assertion RECENTLY AGAIN that Tibet is a part of China makes the Dalai Lama and Tibet Govt lose more ground. Britain is speaking for the whole Western world who believes Tibet belongs to China.

Before the passing of the Dalai Lama you can see his popularity fails to gain his ultimate goal or his ultimate legacy. If he cannot leave his final legacy (Tibetan Independence or Autonomy) all the other acts he has done such as the ban will definitely fade away.

TK
Title: Re: China welcomes UK Tibet decision
Post by: WisdomBeing on March 20, 2010, 11:00:00 AM: This acceptance by UK is yet another milestone in Tibet being enshrined in China. I wonder if the Dalai Lama will blame this on Shugden practitioners again. Time is really ticking by... I can't wait for the ban to fade...
Title: Re: China welcomes UK Tibet decision
Post by: Geronimo on March 20, 2010, 07:20:38 PM: "Chankya Rolpai Dorje (1717 – 1786)
Chankya urged the Qianlong to grant disputed border areas to the Dalai Lama. Although the emperor refused to grant the land, he did follow Rolpai Dorje’s advice in part, by granting the Dalai Lama a sizable yearly allowance. After internal political tensions in Lhasa came to a climax in 1751 with the execution of the secular leader Gyurme Namgyal (‘gyur med rnam rgyal), Qianlong officially named the Dalai Lama the political and religious leader of Tibet. Rolpai Dorje’s disciple and biographer Tukwan Lobzang Chokyi Nyima (thu’u bkwan 03 blo bzang chos kyi nyi ma, 1737-1802) asserts that this significant decision was largely due to Rolpai Dorje’s advice.

After the death of the 7th Dalai Lama, Qianlong sent Chankya on a second mission to Lhasa. There was debate among Tibetan officials over whether the new Dalai Lama’s regent would have both religious and secular power. The Kalon (bka’ blon) or cabinet members aimed to take over secular control and let the Dalai Lama manage religious matters only. Chankya advised the emperor to entrust the regent with full religious and secular authority in order to avoid conflict among the cabinet members. The emperor granted the regent religious authority and relied on the ambans (ambassadors from the Qing court in Lhasa) to limit the power of the lay elite cabinet members"

Temporal power is temporal.The Chinese and Tibetans have been dancing in the political arena for centuries.
Title: Re: China welcomes UK Tibet decision
Post by: Geronimo on March 21, 2010, 02:51:58 AM: Western Shugden Society -

The Dalai Lama Caims that Creating Religious Harmony Is One of the Three Main Goals of His Life.
He Spouts Sound-Bites and Platitudes on the Topic Wherever He Goes.
This Interview with Him Reveals that He Harbours the Sorts of Prejudices That Make Harmony Between the Major Faiths An Impossibility.
Another Example of how He Is a Hypocrite and Unfit To Be the Face of Buddhism in This World.

Watch for Yourself.
www.westernshugdensociety.com/move]
Title: Re: China welcomes UK Tibet decision
Post by: Geronimo on March 21, 2010, 07:39:37 PM: Thailand refuses visa to Dalai Lama's sister
By Rachel Harvey
BBC News, Bangkok

Jetsun Pema was due to give a speech called Tibet: My Story

Thailand has refused to grant a visa to the sister of the Dalai Lama because it does not want to anger China. Jetsun Pema, younger sister of the Tibetan spiritual leader, was due to be giving a keynote speech at a festival of Tibetan culture in Bangkok

But the Thai Foreign ministry said her visa request was denied over fears her presence could be linked to politics.

China regards Tibet as an integral part of its territory, and considers the Dalai Lama a dangerous separatist.

About 30 Tibetan exiles living in India have been granted visas to take part in the Festival of Tibetan Spirituality, Arts and Cultures, which gets under way in the Thai capital on Friday.

But the guest of honour is missing from the list.

Jetsun Pema, the 69-year-old sister of the Dalai Lama, was supposed to be giving a speech, with the working title Tibet: My Story.

But the Thai government has decided that telling her story could be interpreted by China as a political statement.

A spokesman for the Thai Foreign Ministry told the BBC: "Thailand has a long-standing policy of not letting any person use Thailand as a base to criticise or undertake activities detrimental to other countries."

The growing trade between Beijing and Bangkok may also have been a factor.

Ironically, in trying to avoid a potential diplomatic spat, the Thai government may well have injected into the cultural festival the very element of politics it was trying to avoid.
Title: Re: China welcomes UK Tibet decision
Post by: Big Uncle on March 22, 2010, 03:27:11 AM: Oh my god! This is big! China is gaining more and more acceptance. I hope the silly Tibetan officials realise what is going on. Their plight for Tibet - a small nation cannot overwrite China's increasing economic clout on the world stage. I think it wouldn't take very long before every other nation will do the same including the United States of America. They will have no choice but to do this because the only economy big enough and growing fast enough to uplift their own economies will be China. In other words, China is simply too huge economically to ignore or to put down right now. Hence, Tibet will never regain her independence and all that the Dalai Lama has outwardly work for in this aspect will fade away along with many things including the ban on Dorje Shugden when he passes on, just like how tk had said it. The Lamas who quietly practicing Dorje Shugden will then openly and actively spread it. and it will grow much bigger than what it is right now.