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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Harold Musetescu on April 02, 2019, 04:10:37 PM
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I have failed you Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri.
You who were made a Dharmapala and placed in Kache Marpo's retinue by H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche in 1902.
The same Domo Geshe Rinpoche who made Namkar Barzin a Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden's retinue in the 1920's"
I have since June 2018 tried to get just one Dorje Shugden Tulku or Geshe to publicly state that you are a member of Dorje Shugden's retinue.
I have contacted Trijang Rinpoche, Zasep Rinpoche, Rabten Rinpoche, Gonsar Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche and even Tsem Rinpoche asking if you were a member of Dorje Shugden's retinue.
They NEVER answered my simple question.
Sorry for failing you Shangmo Dorje Putri.
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Here are just two examples of my contacting Tsem Tulku and his people about Shangmo Dorje Putri and their total lack of any reply.
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" Harold Musetescu on Mar 15, 2019 at 5:37 am
Hello Pastor
The present day Domo Geshe Rinpoche is living at Gaden Sharste Monastery.
This is Tsem Tulku’s home monastery. Rinpoche could contact Domo Geshe Rinpoche and his people about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
They could answer the question “Is Shangmo Dorje Putri and official member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue”. Equal to Kache Marpo, Methar and Namkar Barzin. Please remember that it was Domo Geshe Rinpoche who made Namkar Barzin a member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue.
Rinpoche helped Methar to return to Dorje Shugden’s retinue and I believe he can do the same with Shango Dorje Putri.
Thank you.
Harold Musetescu on Jan 12, 2019 at 9:05 am
Hello Pastor
Is Shangmo Dorje Putri a member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue just like Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin and Methar? "
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Harold Musetescu on Feb 26, 2019 at 12:27 am
Do any of the present day Dorje Shugden Oracles take trance of the female Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri who is found in Kache Marpo retinue along side of Methar?
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Char on Sep 1, 2018 at 9:52 pm
Shangmo Dorje Putri is a Female Dharmapala at Dungkar Monastery.
Namkar Barzin is a Dharmapala at Dungkar Monastery.
Both were bond by oath by H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche to protect Dungkar Monastery.
Shangmo Dorje Putri was placed by Domo Geshe Rinpoche into the retinue of Kache Marpo.
Does this mean that she is also a member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue?
Two Domo Geshe Rinpoche Dharmapalas in Dorje Shugden’s retinue?
If yes this is wonderful.
A Female Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden’s retinue.
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Why is there no reply from Rinpoche or his staff on this simple question.
IS SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI A MEMBER OF DORJE SHUGDEN'S RETINUE???????
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Harold Musetescu on Apr 1, 2019 at 9:03 pm
Can we use the female Dakini and Dharmapala “Shangmo Dorje Putri” in our daily Dorje Shugden practice? She is found in the retinue of Kache Marpo and was made a Dharmapala in 1902 by H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche. H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche also made Namkar Barzin a Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden’s retinue.
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The the above quote (Comments section) and the next quote are from an article that Tsem Rinpoche wrote on April 1 2019 about the Wrathful dakini Ucchusma.
Here is the link to that article https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-benefits-of-the-wrathful-dakini-ucchusma.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/the-benefits-of-the-wrathful-dakini-ucchusma.html)
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Thangkas of Dakini Ucchusma
Appreciating how difficult it is to acquire images and statues of this wrathful black Dakini, H.E. Tsem Rinpoche commissioned a number of thangkas to provide sincere practitioners with iconographically accurate, high resolution images of Dakini Ucchusma. Do download the images below for your altar or place of worship
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Tsem Rinpoche and his people have created two thangkas (With Dorje Shugden and Ucchusma) and a statue of Ucchusma.
Ucchusma is not in the Dorje Shugden retinue.
Yet no thangkas or a statue of Shangmo Dorje Putri have been created who IS in Dorje Shugden retinue.
It was Tsem Rinpoche who brought us an article about Shangmo Dorje Putril in March 2016.
He is the link to that article. https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html)
I am humbly asking you Your Eminence Tsem Tulku for your help in this most important matter.
You reintroduced the Dorje Shugden Dharmapala, "Methar" to the Dorje Shugden world back in 2016.
Please do the same for the Dorje Shugden Dharmapala, "Shangmo Dorje Putri" in 2019.
May you strike the Dorje Shugden world and his followers with lightning not once but twice in your lifetime.
First with "Methar" and now with "Shangmo Dorje Putri".
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Since Domo Geshe made her to be who she is and put her in the entourage of Shugden, it would be smart and logical to ask Domo Geshe Rinpoche himself. He is old enough to answer and lives in Shar Gaden, send an email to him via Shar Gaden Monastery. Contact Domo Geshe Rinpoche and no one else. Simple.
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Since Domo Geshe made her to be who she is and put her in the entourage of Shugden, it would be smart and logical to ask Domo Geshe Rinpoche himself. He is old enough to answer and lives in Shar Gaden, send an email to him via Shar Gaden Monastery. Contact Domo Geshe Rinpoche and no one else. Simple.
I sent him two emails with NO reply.
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Well keep trying and keep chasing him. Keep emailing him. Domo Geshe will know when it's the right time to answer you. So keep trying him even if it takes years. If it's important to you.
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Well keep trying and keep chasing him. Keep emailing him. Domo Geshe will know when it's the right time to answer you. So keep trying him even if it takes years. If it's important to you.
Your email inspired me Thaimonk to send off a new email to Domo Geshe Rinpoche today.
Yes Thaimonk this is very important to me to be able to return Shangmo Dorje Putri to her rightful place in Dorje Shugden's retinue.
A place that she should have been since 1902 when Domo Geshe made her a Dharmapala and placed her into the retinue of Kache Marpo.
Thanks ;)
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Well keep trying and keep chasing him. Keep emailing him. Domo Geshe will know when it's the right time to answer you. So keep trying him even if it takes years. If it's important to you.
Your email inspired me Thaimonk to send off a new email to Domo Geshe Rinpoche today.
Yes Thaimonk this is very important to me to be able to return Shangmo Dorje Putri to her rightful place in Dorje Shugden's retinue.
A place that she should have been since 1902 when Domo Geshe made her a Dharmapala and placed her into the retinue of Kache Marpo.
Thanks ;)
I don't quite understand. If you already have asked the "inceptor" then why are you pushing the issue when you receive no reply? Does that mean you do not trust the enlightened Master and need your answer to be known? It should be telling that maybe you are not meant to know or the issue is not relevant at this time. Sorry, somehow I find your messages on the rude side towards those you are addressing and pushing for your own self interest.
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Well keep trying and keep chasing him. Keep emailing him. Domo Geshe will know when it's the right time to answer you. So keep trying him even if it takes years. If it's important to you.
Your email inspired me Thaimonk to send off a new email to Domo Geshe Rinpoche today.
Yes Thaimonk this is very important to me to be able to return Shangmo Dorje Putri to her rightful place in Dorje Shugden's retinue.
A place that she should have been since 1902 when Domo Geshe made her a Dharmapala and placed her into the retinue of Kache Marpo.
Thanks ;)
I don't quite understand. If you already have asked the "inceptor" then why are you pushing the issue when you receive no reply? Does that mean you do not trust the enlightened Master and need your answer to be known? It should be telling that maybe you are not meant to know or the issue is not relevant at this time. Sorry, somehow I find your messages on the rude side towards those you are addressing and pushing for your own self interest.
Thank you SabS for you insightful comments. I will give them the importance they are truly due.
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Harold, actually based on your comment and link given, I visited the post in tsemrinpoche.com and from there, it was stated quite clearly that Shangmo Dorje Putri is within the entourage of Kache Marpo who is the minister of Dorje Shugden. For me, it is obvious that she is in the entourage of Dorje Shugden like Namkar Barzin. However, there is a warning to not practice unless under instructions from a qualified Guru. I do thank you for I have learned something interesting today.
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Harold, actually based on your comment and link given, I visited the post in tsemrinpoche.com and from there, it was stated quite clearly that Shangmo Dorje Putri is within the entourage of Kache Marpo who is the minister of Dorje Shugden. For me, it is obvious that she is in the entourage of Dorje Shugden like Namkar Barzin. However, there is a warning to not practice unless under instructions from a qualified Guru. I do thank you for I have learned something interesting today.
If "it is obvious that she is in the entourage of Dorje Shugden" why is she not found "Publicly" in his entourage.
You can check all the numerous articles on Tsem Rinpoche's websites about Dorje Shugden's entourage and you will find NOTHING about Shangmo Dorje Shugden.
I contacted the New Kadampa HQ in London England and they have never heard about her.
Do pleasel educate me and all the readers here SabS about how WELL KNOWN Shangmo Dorje Putri is in the Dorje Shugden world.
How "obvious" it is to YOU and the Dorje Shugden world and his followers that she is in his entourage
Shangmo Dorje Putri is all but unknown to the Dorje Shugden world since 1902.
Please "educated" all us with YOUR EVIDENCE of Shangmo Dorje Putri's "Obvious" status.
You CAN'T!!!!!!!
Your answers in this post have "educated" me with all the knowledge I need to know about you.
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Other than Dungkar Monastery in Tibet can anyone tell me were you can find Shangmo Dorje Putri in any Gelugpa temple in the world.
Have any of you ever personally seen a thangka or statue of Shangmo Dorje Putri.
All we followers of Dorje Shugden heard about was Kache Marpo and Namkar Barzin.
In October 2016 reintroduced "Methar" back into the entourage of Dorje Shugden.
He had been totally forgotten since the 1950's.
Their are now thangkas and a statue to Methar at Kechara Forest Retreat thanks to H.E. Tsem Rinpoche.
But no thangkas or statue of Shangmo Dorje Putri at Kechara or any other Dorje Shugden temple.
In the 1950's book "Oracles and Demons of Tibet" which Tsem Rinpoche has quote on numerous occasions there are references to Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin and Methar but none about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
This is evidence to the sad truth about Shangmo Dorje Putri and her statue in Dorje Shugden's entourage.
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Is Shangmo Dorje Putri a member of Dorje Shugden's entourage?
Here's an easy tests to she if she is.
Ask a Dorje Shugden Lama, Geshe or Tulku about Shangmo Dorje Putri?
He will look you and say "Shangmo WHO"?
Methar was forgotten for over 60 years until Tsem Rinpoche reintroduced him.
Shangmo Dorje Putri has been forgotten for 117 years.
Time to put Shangmo Dorje Putri back on Dorje Shugden's alter along side of Kache Marpo, Methar and Namkar Barzin.
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Below is the link to the article written by Pastor Niral Patel in 2016 about Shangmo Dorje Putri at Tsem Rinpoche's website.
Ninety nine percent of the article is about her connection to the Sakya and hardly nothing about he Gelugpa connection.
He shows her Sakya thangka and practice but nothing from the Gelugpas.
The Pastor writes that Shangmo Dorje Putri also has a small connection to the Gelug lineage as well, through Kyabje Domo Geshe Rinpoche (1866-1936 CE)...".
"A SMALL CONNECTION"!!
Are you kidding me. She's a Dharmapala in the Dorje Shugden entourage. Hardly a "Small Connection".
Please go onto Rinpoche's website and see the large articles about Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin and Methar.
Then look at the sad article about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
This is not story about the Gelugpa Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri.
A new article about her is need immediately.
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html)
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On April 5, 2019 Tsem Tulku posted an article on his website about a trip members of his Kechara Ladrang made to Shar Monastery in Mungod, India.
This monastery is were Tsem Tulku lived and where he has his monastic Ladrang.
During their visit they met with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche and presented him with gifts.
I hope and pray they asked H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
Here is a link to Tsem Tulku's article.
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/journey-to-shar-gaden-monastery-2019-making-offerings-to-the-sangha.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/journey-to-shar-gaden-monastery-2019-making-offerings-to-the-sangha.html)
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Here is a quote about the meeting at Shar Gaden Monastery between H.E. Domo Geshe Chocktrul Rinpoche and Tsem Rinpoche's members.
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The team was also granted an audience with His Eminence Domo Geshe Chocktrul Rinpoche. It had been a number of years since they had last seen Domo Geshe Rinpoche who, now about 17 years old, listened thoughtfully as Beng Kooi explained some of Kechara’s latest productions. Beng Kooi showed Domo Geshe Rinpoche postcards created from the Rimé thangkas and different Dorje Shugden styles that Tsem Rinpoche had conceptualised, as well as a comic book about the benefits of Dorje Shugden practice which had been published just before the trip.
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Here is a link to a youtube video done by Tsem Tulku's staff on their visit to Shar Monastery.
At the 14:50 minute mark you will see them meeting with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_dI3Eo3ck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_dI3Eo3ck)
The video starts with the information that this trip happened between March 13 to 17 2019.
On March 15, 2019 I posted a comment in the comments section of Tsem Tulku's article on Shangmo Dorje Putri. https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html)
It stated,
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"Harold Musetescu on Mar 15, 2019 at 5:37 am
Hello Pastor
The present day Domo Geshe Rinpoche is living at Gaden Sharste Monastery.
This is Tsem Tulku’s home monastery. Rinpoche could contact Domo Geshe Rinpoche and his people about Shangmo Dorje Putri. They could answer the question “Is Shangmo Dorje Putri and official member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue”. Equal to Kache Marpo, Methar and Namkar Barzin. Please remember that it was Domo Geshe Rinpoche who made Namkar Barzin a member of Dorje Shugden’s retinue. Rinpoche helped Methar to return to Dorje Shugden’s retinue and I believe he can do the same with Shango Dorje Putri.
Thank you.
REPLY
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Interesting that Tsem Tulku's students were visiting with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche about the same time I posted this comment.
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This following quote is from the link below to the article written by Pastor Niral Patel on March 19, 2016 on Shangmo Dorje Putri.
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ALTHOUGH AN INDEPENDENT DHARMA PROTECTOR, Shangmo Dorje Putri is under the control of the enlightened Dharma protector Kache Marpo and considered to be part of his entourage.
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https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html)
What does "ALTHOUGH AN INDEPENDENT DHARMA PROTECTOR" mean?
Who claims that Shangmo Dorje Putri is an "INDEPENDENT DHARMA PROTECTOR".
It seems that Pastor Niral Patel is claiming it to be so.
His article INFERS that Shangmo Dorje Putri is INDIRECTLY a part of Dorje Shugden's entourage via Kache Marpo.
Yet he never clearly states that she IS DIRECTLY a part of Dorje Shugden's retinue.
Why does he fails to do so in his article?
Why not clearly declare to the Dorje Shugden world that Shangmo Dorje Putri is a FULL member of Dorje Shugden's retinue.
Just like the Dharmapalas Methar and Namkar Barzin are Dorje Shugden Dharmapalas.
The same Namkar Barzin who was made a Dharmapala some twenty years AFTER Domo Geshe Rinpoche made Shangmo Dorje Putri his "FIRST" Dharmapala.
You may remember that "Methar" is a FULL member of Dorje Shugden's retinue while also being a member of Kache Marpo's retinue.
But not Shangmo Dorje Putri who is also a member of Kache Marpo's retinue.
Had Pastor Patel over three years ago declared that Shangmo Dorje Putri was a Dharmapala we would have been celebrating the first FEMALE Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden's entourage.
Pastor Patel writes that she maybe under the control of Kache Marpo but "INDEPENDENT".
But "INDEPENDENT" of whom, Dorje Shugden??
This is the mystery that I am trying to solve.
I have been since June 2018 trying to get Pastor Niral Patel to provide with with an answer to this question.
I am still waiting for him to answer me.
As I am still waiting for numerous other Dorje Shugden Tulkus to do the same.
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On June 27, 2018 I had an email conversation with Pastor Niral Patel about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
It occurred in the "Ask a Question" section on Tsem Rinpoche's website.
The most important parts of our conversation were two fold.
The first was my question to him.
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I would like to see a statue of Shangmo beside Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin and Methar on Dorje Shugden's main alter at Kechara Forest Retreat.
It is time for her to formally join her bother Dharmapalas.
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The second part was Pastor Patel's reply to me.
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Thank you for your questions. WE HAVE TAKEN NOTE ABOUT THE STATUE..............
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They had taken note about my request for a statue to be created of Shangmo Dorje Putri and placed on Dorje Shugden's alter at Kechara Forest Retreat.
Who ever "THEY" are were "Noting my request" but nothing happened.
Here is a link to the full email conversation.
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/pastorquestion/eric-24 (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/pastorquestion/eric-24)
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Question asked by Eric (Harold Musetescu)
JUN 27, 2018
Hello Pastor Niral
Is Shangmo senior in position to Namkar Barzin and Methar in Dorje Shugden's retinue?
Shangmo was in 1902 made a Dharmapala by Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
At that time he placed her into the retinue of Dorje Shugden under the supervision of Kache Marpo.
Both Namkar Barzin and Methar both became Dharmapalas decades later.
At one time there was only Kache Marpo and Shangmo in Dorje Shugden's retinue.
Before that there was Namkar Barzin and Methar there was only Shangmo.
I would like to see a statue of Shangmo beside Kache Marpo, Namkar Barzin and Methar on Dorje Shugden's main alter at Kechara Forest Retreat.
It is time for her to formally join her bother Dharmapalas.
On a sadder note I see that Domo Geshe Rinpoche's Gaden Tharpa Monastery is in the hands of the evil 14th Dalai Lama.
The practice of Dorje Shugden is banned there and the Dalai Lama has made his anti Dorje Shugden Domo Geshe Rinpoche the head of the monastery.
I wonder if Shangmo has fled the monastery that held her "Protector Chapel"?
Is this the second time she has had to flee a monastery she was protecting?
The first being the Sakya Monastery and now Gaden Tharpa Monastery.
If she has I suspect she is now guarding the life of the real pro Dorje Shugden Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
Reply by Pastor Niral Patel
Dear Eric,
Thank you for your questions. WE HAVE TAKEN NOTE ABOUT THE STATUE..............
Thank you
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In June 2018 Pastor Patel and others(?) were looking into my request but nothing has happened in 10 months.
WHY??
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On April 5, 2019 Tsem Tulku posted an article on his website about a trip members of his Kechara Ladrang made to Shar Monastery in Mungod, India.
This monastery is were Tsem Tulku lived and where he has his monastic Ladrang.
During their visit they met with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche and presented him with gifts.
I hope and pray they asked H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
Here is a link to Tsem Tulku's article.
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/journey-to-shar-gaden-monastery-2019-making-offerings-to-the-sangha.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/journey-to-shar-gaden-monastery-2019-making-offerings-to-the-sangha.html)
On April 8, 2019 the article on the visit to Shar Gaden Monastery and H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche has been removed from Tsem Tulku's website.
On April 8, 2019 the Youtube video about the visit to Shar Gaden Monastery and H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche Rinpoche was removed from Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_dI3Eo3ck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0_dI3Eo3ck)
I don't know why.
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Well keep trying and keep chasing him. Keep emailing him. Domo Geshe will know when it's the right time to answer you. So keep trying him even if it takes years. If it's important to you.
Well Thaimonk the last time we connected was April 3 2019.
It's now the 9th and no answer from H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
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Just sent another email to Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
Lets see if his attendants will show him this email.
"To H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche
Harold Musetescu
1:42 PM (9 minutes ago)
to sgadenmonastery
Hello Rinpoche
I am writing you today about your Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri.
The 1st Domo Geshe Rinpoche made her a Dharmapala in 1902 and placed her into Kache Marpo's retinue.
Is Shangmo Dorje Putri a full member of Dorje Shugden's retinue?
Equal in status to Namkra Barzin.
Metta"
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I have again contacted today via email both H.H. Trijang Rinpoche and H. E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche about the female Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri.
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Great news I finally got a message back from Shar Ganden Monastery about Shangmo Dorje Putri.
It was from the monk who receives all the email requests from around the world.
He told me that he had forwarded all my many emails to Domo Geshe Rinpoche so could I please stop sending any further emails.
Well followers of Dorje Shugden the great Domo Geshe Rinpoche is just too busy to tell the world if Shangmo is a full member of Dorje Shugden's retinue.
Many of you hate me and thats fine with me.
All I was trying to do was have a simple questioned answer by either Domo Geshe, Trijang Rinpoche, Tsem Tulku, Zasep Tulku etc., etc..
It was not me that failed you Shangmo Dorje Putri.
IT WAS ALL THOSE DORJE SHUGDEN TULKUS THAT FAILED YOU.
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Today on July 08, 2019 I have contacted via email the Gameng Oracle in Bloomington, Indiana, USA.
I have asked him to take trance of either Dorje Shugden or Kache Marpo so they can tell us if Shangmo Dorje Putri is a full member of Dorje Shugden's retinue.
I also contacted Tsem Tulku a few days ago and asked him if he would do a "Divination" on this most serious matter.
I have no expectation of any replies but if there is one I will post it here.
No Tulku, Geshe or Lama will provide an answer to this very simple question.
I don't know why?
You can hate me all you want but this is not about me but all about the Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri.