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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: DharmaDefender on June 12, 2014, 07:48:42 AM
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Looks like the PMs running scared. If this is how he answers KIDS hahaha Id hate to see how he performs during question time. Not that it matters since he hasnt got any real political opposition who can cause trouble for his career. In a real democracy leaders have some actual worthy opponents. I know Ed and Nick arent much but at least they put up a better fight with good ol Dave when it came to our elections. Theres no one else to challenge Lobsang Sangay and hes pretty much got a free hand of the Tibetan parliament. This leaves him free to do and say whatever he wants.
So if kids are questioning him and hes not happy, whys that? Because hes not getting political practice in parliament where everyones got to agree with him and theres no dissent. So hes not used to being debated against. Can you imagine, a Harvard educated lawyer has his hypocrisy exposed by a bunch of teenagers whove probably never left India? What an embarrassment for him and doesnt say much for the level of his education. What exactly did he learn in Harvard, Id like to know.
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In an effort to appear more open and democratic, the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA; Tibetan leadership) held a question-and-answer session with a group of Tibetan students. Assuming the students would ask questions that gave the leadership a chance to look modern, open and democratic, Sikyong (Prime Minister) Lobsang Sangay soon realised he had severely underestimated the analytical and observant nature of this new generation of Tibetan youth.
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SIKYONG STOP LYING
I have never seen this day coming, but it is awesome because it is the sign of a government that has lost touch with reality and its people. A PR relations melt down and nightmare.
CTA has no basis to pursue unity or freedom, because it splits its people and oppresses them.
I felt so excited when I heard that the students are saying the Tibetan who practice Dorje Shugden are doing despite ( Assuming Dorje Shugden were funded and supported by the Chinese) two conditions - once Chinese hands over Tibet, the Dorje Shudgen would have no more use by the Chinese, and the other is despite the Dorje Shugden practitioners being a pariah within Tibetan community they still do it. What will happen to those who engage in Dorje Shudgen practice, in the end if they are traitors they will have nothing and no support yet they remain loyal. I felt that student feels respect for Dorje Shugden people and something different than people who practice for worldly gains. It has been Pakistan and India for a long time now.
A simple acid test, to test if the Sikyong is lying or he is telling the truth, CTA can admit an active Dorje Shugden worshipper chosen by Dorje Shugden leaders to be in CTA and work alongside the CTA?
One thing missing that the students did not mention is that CTA's ban if its getting picked up by the Tibetan people what about the Indian people and government, such undemocratic actions how long will India tolerate?
Every demonstration points back to the ban, the ban related to CTA and the Dalai Lama.
This draconian ban will soon be an embarrassment for the Indian government. How long India tolerate Tibetans who do actions contrary to the 2nd largest democracy in the world? India already got a lot of flack from the women's rape issues, is it time for another crisis to hit India again? India has much revenues at stake from tourists and etc. CTA does not need Dorje Shugden people to love them, but they need to endear themselves to the super powers, given the financial crisis looming in the developed world, we need more friends than enemies. In that respect why would India still cause rifts with China the biggest economy in the world now?
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Haha, I can't agree more with you Dharma Space, the looks on his face shows it all. In due time, we don't need no peaceful protests but the Tibetans within their own community will come to their senses and question their own CTA. At that time, there won't be any hiding hole for the CTA to keep themselves to. We have waited with so much patience for so long for today to come where our efforts of exposing the truth about Dorje Shugden has come.
What is amazing is even at this juncture when CTA is hurling so many vulgarities at our sacred lineage, our root gurus and great masters have advised us to keep calm and practice patience throughout this period of hardship. This I see is the true spirit of Buddhism. May we lift the ban soon and many more come to realize the true nature of things.
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Yeah! I am so glad to see this and I rejoice that smart, young, intelligent Tibetans are speaking up. Because what they've been told and what they themselves have seen and heard and read with their own eyes sure is contradictory! And it's about time because you can't keep covering up with lies and think people won't notice CTA!
Tibetan Youth are not illiterate and uneducated like their parents or fore fathers and CTA you've belittled and underestimated your people for far to long. Looks like you are running out of lies, to cover, times up! You've deceived your own people and created so much disunity, it's about time you are questioned for your blatant acts of discrimination!
Where is the so called dialogue you Mr. Sangay claim to have been trying to have with Dorje Shugden leaders? Prove it if it was true please as we have been urging you and the Dalai Lama for one!
These young impressionable Tibetans, who are sincere, innocent and genuine can see through the contradictions and well, everyone knows if there is a monastery for Shugden practitioners only means there is a separation and who cause this separation? Isn't it due to the ban? It is not because of religious freedom, what a load of baloney! I am sure these young intelligent Tibetans are going to go back and discuss amongst themselves and realise that with different students, the answers contradicts and some totally ignored and diverted. Now what are you going to say that these young Tibetans are Chinese spies and are being paid by Chinese??? It would just make you more unfavourable.
Tibetans need to be united and hence the ban need to be lifted completely!!! Learn from you host country mother India and respect all religion please!
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Bravo to the students!
With the exposure of internet and to the world, the Tibetan nations has grown to be more exposed, knowledgeable, open-minded and have logical thinking. They would be great leaders to lead Tibetan to unity next time! They are in the Tibetan community and witness that how the Shugden practitioners are discriminated by the society.
The students are asking very sincere and valid questions to Mr Lobsang Sangay. However, Mr Sangay has been beating around the bush and do not answer the truth.
1. He told that “the CTA had tried to initiate dialogue with Shugden practitioners since ‘75, and especially from 1995”. Can he show the prove? All this while CTA has been avoiding to conduct the dialog despite many requests from the Dorje Shugden practitioners.
2. It is clear that the students have noticed Shugden practitioners are poor but Mr Sangay still insist that they received financial reward from the Chinese. >:(
3. Mr Sangay said that CTA gives Shugden practitioners freedom by letting them to have their own monastery. What logic is that? Shugden practitioners are force to leave their origin monasteries! In the recent incident, we can also see that anti-Shugden practitioners forced into Domo Geshe monastery in Phedong (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/breaking-news-domo-geshe-rinpoches-monastery-in-phedong-attacked/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/breaking-news-domo-geshe-rinpoches-monastery-in-phedong-attacked/) )
4. Mr Sangay keeps insisting that Shugden practitioners have their rights by having their ID cards. However, he keeps ignoring to answer the questions of the students on why they have seen and experienced that Shudgen practitioners are discriminated with their own eyes.
I especially like the statement made by Student #6. He is brave enough to politely request Mr Sangay to consider that “Dhogyal people are also Tibetan, and they have Tibetan blood and bones. Being Tibetan, give them rights to religion. Even in India has this rights called “secularism ethic” so, I think we should also follow that rules.”
The way that Mr Sangay replied was full of lies, without facts to support him and contradicting with his own answers.
I do hope CTA would not make the same mistake again. They should would lift the ban and unite all the Tibetan to show that they are truly democratic.
On a side note, I hope the students are safe and will not be penalized by their school or CTA like those participated in the protest and have their names and pictures being published on the CTA website.
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This is indeed a turning point for Tibet, the Shugden practitioners and CTA. Gone are the days when Tibetans were afraid to speak up not because they are backward but because they were unaware that their rights have been violated by the same group of people called the government. Next, they were promised by their religious leader HH Dalai Lama that there will be democracy for Tibet. When these group of young intellectuals pondered and analyzed the truth of what is happening within the Tibetan community, they noticed that there was discrimination amongst their own people, curtailing a person or a group of people the right to religious freedom. It appeared more like dictatorship.
As Student #6 succinctly addressed the issue with Mr Sangay, he was indeed brave and kind in stating that he no longer wants to oppress a fellow Tibetan just because he has chosen a different religious path. In fact, Dorje Shugden is a harmonious practice, which has benefited many people even from the West.
Why do people who are not part of the retribution actually stood up against the Dalai Lama? They could have practiced quietly and not be bothered with some strange monks living in exile in India. The Western demonstrators took this cause up with the CTA and the Dalai Lama because they know that what is happening in Tibet goes against the Buddha-Dharma especially, Bodhicitta. How can one call himself a Buddhist, propitiating the precious Protector, knowing very well someone else can't do the same because of the afflictions brought about by their leaders? And yet, these group of strong Shugdenpas persevered and lasted for nearly 40 years standing their ground.
I am sure the students can see this for themselves. As some have claimed in the video that they received teachings from the Dalai Lama. If they put into application what has been taught, then, they will surely face a heap of contradictions. Thus, they did what a normal human being would do. They investigated, researched, learned and asked questions. With the emphasis now being put on the protection of Human Rights, which the Dalai Lama vehemently advocates, the young Tibetans will want a different treatment for the Shugdenpas. One that is fair, just and kind, reflective of the charter that humanity upholds.
When students or young intellectuals take up arms via their mighty pens (now laptops) and hungry voices, it is a sure sign that the society itself has taken leap away from ignorance and lies. This means, the CTA and the Dalai Lama must be prepared to come head on with Tibetans that now value freedom and the pursuit of happiness on the path to Enlightenment. Really, no more lies.
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I can't find the video :( could you please tell me where I can find it?
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I can't find the video :( could you please tell me where I can find it?
Gohdi,
Click on the link here for details http://kadamemanation.com/political-pollution (http://kadamemanation.com/political-pollution). Or watch on You Tube: Tibetan youths question Sikyong Lobsang Sangay on Dorje Shugden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYXVNFhvOVk#ws)
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Got it ???? 1000 x 1000 x 1000 thanks to the ISC for achieving that it is now publicly discussed.
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Wow, this Lobsang Sangey dude does not look pleased at how this is going. It's hard when you aren't like the golden boy Buddha of compassion that everyone fears, no?
I thought the students seemed very intelligent and articulate, as opposed to the CTA which seemed.... illogical, lying.... moronic....
So, as usual Dorje Shugden practioners are getting money from China? To pray? Really? No one, ever, has offered me money to pray, and if they did, of course we would refuse it--- because that would mix our motivation---- we can't take money to pray.
What is wrong with these people?
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It is nice to know that the younger Tibetans are concern over the issue of Dorje Shugden which leads to discrimination, non- religious freedom, suicide and taking it seriously. It shows them care and do not take an answer without questioning and thinking the logic behind of those answer which CTA has been feeding to them (the older generation) for years.
No matter where did you graduated from it does not matter because a lie is a lie no matter how wonderful you tried to cover up from the ultimate truth.
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The following is from the Wikipedia entry for Lobsang Sangay:
In 1995, he won a Fulbright Scholarship to Harvard Law School, where he subsequently received his LL.M. degree the same year.
In 2004, he became the first Tibetan (among six million) to earn a S.J.D. degree from Harvard Law School.
He is an expert in Tibetan law and international human rights law.
Hypocrite or not?
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There are a couple of things Lobsang Sangay and the CTA forgot, when they decided to carry out a question-and-answer exercise with the young Tibetans, who grew up in India, and have been exposed to the new, emerging world culture of democracy and freedom of speech. They forgot that these young people, unlike the generation of their fathers who had grown up in a 'closed-door' Tibet, while respectful of authority, would question whatever they find illogical or unacceptable or contradictory to what they themselves have observed on the ground.
These are sincere youngsters , who speak the language of honesty and integrity, and from the heart. From the heart they say "Dhogyal people are also Tibetans, and they have Tibetan blood and bones. Being Tibetan, give them rights to religion. Even India has this rights called 'secularism ethics". so, I think, we should also follow rules".These are people who are expressing their sincere feelings,as they watch their Shugden practitioner friends suffer from oppression and persecution by the Tibetan leadership .
Sikong Lobsang Sangay and CTA forget that these young people will be the leaders who will form the government of tomorrow, if Tibet gains Independence ,or, they will be the leaders of the community of Tibetans -in -Exile . They will be inheriting the mantle of leadership from them. So how can they be so short-sighted and attempt to deceive by lying, covering and contradictions?
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I’m surprise with the youths on how they question Sikyong Lobsang Sangye. Those youth are not rude but observed what had happen around them and witness the suffering of the Shugden practitioners. They request for clarification, not that they are practitioners and I don’t think they concern about the practice but it’s more on the concern of humanity, fair treatment to their own Tibetan people.
The reply from Sikyong is so weak and baseless. He keeps saying the government trying to solve but what is the proof or evident from CTA ‘trying’ to solve this issue? The big lie from him saying that CTA has never restricted Shugden practitioners from whatever they are doing. I’m glad that the youths aware of what is going on and the discrimination towards the practitioners was so obvious and it have all the proof to justify it.
I’m so happy to see the Tibetan youths which are so brave to seek for the answers on what happen to the countrymen. They question and request for clarification based on what they observed and experienced. CTA can never lie and escape from all the ugly work cause all the suffering towards the Shugden practitioners. The discrimination is so obvious where the youth can even point out.
I love one of the youth which he said let the practitioners practice and make all Tibetan the same, equal, irregardless of their religion just like India. Wonderful!
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A Tibetan by the name of Thinley wrote this comment in the article which I thought that everybody should read as its from a Tibetan perspective. I appreciate his comments because we get very little Tibetan feedback for these articles and coverage, probably because they are afraid of reprisals from within they own community. Check it out:-
I really wish His Holiness and our Sikyong-lak sees this news because so many important questions asked by the children which is the truth. Tibetan peoples will not dare to ask this type of questions because we are afraid what will happen if we ask. Village will not like us, they say we are not real Tibetan, they say we are chinese spies, they say we are dolgyal people. Even me who is not Shugden practitioner, they will say the same thing and then my family will be having many problems.
These school children they are born in India, they know about democracy, they live in free society, they know english and they know how to use computer. They learn lots more than older Tibetan people and what they ask is truth. They are Tibetan in the mind, but they are modern Tibetan.
Sikyong-lak must give respect to them, don’t look so angry. He is their leader also. They are young and they are important to Tibetan’s future. Much more benefit to explain properly, so everyone can understand the answer. Because on [url]http://bod.asia/[/url] ([url]http://bod.asia/[/url]) government is talking the same things about Shugden everyday so they must have the proof and the answers. If it is not possible to answer then something is not good. Then must say sorry and you are wrong.
We are not like old Tibetan style anymore. Last time Tibetans only stay in Tibet, not going out, not knowing new things, every thing is ok. Now we going to USA, France, Switzerland, things are different now. Inside every country it is allowed to ask the government why they doing things that make people not happy, and to make protest and demonstration if there is a problem. CTA need to learn about this. Be the real government, learn the real democracy way, have dialogue. Even the children knows this now.
My friends is very much suffering from what His Holiness is doing with Shugden. It is difficult for them. I think it is already enough problems happening to our people. Bod Rangzen is for all Tibetans not only some.
Thank you also to dorjeshugden.com team for letting more people know about this and what is happening. It is very much important.
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The Prime Minister has a law degree from Harvard and is an expert on international human rights laws? And he says there is no discrimination against Dorje Shugden practitioners? In my opinion, he should be on the side of those discriminated against and fight for their rights. He should know what is right or wrong as far as human rights are concerned and defend the Shugden worshippers! Tibetan unity can never be achieved through such unfair treatment of their own kind. As one of the students rightly said, Dhogyal people are also Tibetans with Tibetan flesh, blood and bones. Peace and unity will be achieved when Shugden practitioners are allowed to worship their beloved Protector who is none other than Manjushri. May this new generation of Tibetans continue to speak up for human rights!
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Oh no. Looks like Sikyong Lobsang Sangye was caught off guard and he did not expect the students would come out with those questions that were asked. It is so pathetic to watch him answering the questions with more lies, deception or even avoiding the sincerely asked queries altogether. It is very obvious that these youths are very worried about the unity among Tibetans and the cause that is separating them.
These new generation of Tibetans are educated and they can make deductive interpretations from their observations of what is going on around them. If the CTA intends to continue leading the Tibetans, they must stop all the non-truths that they are now spreading, for these Tibetan youths are not blind to their surrounding and they will not follow blindly what the CTA would impose on them.
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I kind of fear for the Tibetan Youths, these CTA they are capable of doing the worst things. And they are still organising their people to work and operate like in feudal ages, the LORD's word is FINAL. When will they come up a list of Tibetan Youths who speak up and question the CTA?
Examples of CTA actions, from taking monks's properties to denying basic rights of the monks to even getting mobs to threaten holy monks. Denying the basic needs for monks, making it difficult for them to survive and spread the dharma. I shudder to think what karma is created that they hinder the monks and holders of the dharma. It is not a pretty thought at that.
There is hope in the future Tibetan generation, in the youths who say their piece and say what they have gleaned from all the media channels they are exposed to. I have heard a social activist say before that when you let people know the truth, they will know what they need to do. I guess the Tibetan Youths know some of the truth already of what they are faced with, their nation and issues that are hindering them to move to the next level. It is not rocket science, that the youths know and observe what has happened in South India. Like how change was brought about in many countries, it is usually what youths take to, like how it was in the US to end of Vietnam or how the student demonstrators overthrew the South korean government. We can hope the youth will not take everything at face value, what their government tells them but think for themselves and decide for themselves that the ban ultimately brings about no benefit whatsoever.
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Finally the Tibetan youths of today is more outspoken and knowledgeable and brave to questions about the ban on Dorje Shugden.
The Prime Minister will be having a tough time now and they cannot go on lying about the whole thing to the younger generations nowadays.
How can they say that there is religious freedom when the practitioners are not allowed to go to the same places as the rest of the people? It's just about time the truth be out. The ban must be lifted soon so that the people of Tibet will live in harmony again.
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After watching many videos of ill treatment of the Dorje Shugden practitioners by their own Tibetan people, finally we are seeing some hope in the new generations. From the actions of most of the Tibetans, it is clear that CTA is blocking the truth to the Tibetans, but as we are all aware, we are now in information age and blocking of information is difficult with internet. Younger generations can now access information from many sources, other than just from government controlled TV stations, radios and newspaper.
As a Harvard graduate, Lobsang Sangay didn’t live up to the standard of being open and democratic, and I would suppose all the experience and exposure he see in the US has all been thrown out of the window. What a shame.
Remember, the people who escaped Tibet during 1959 are getting old, and if the Tibetan cause is to continue, it will require the next generations, but when the next generation finds out about the lies and hypocrisies, the CTA will lose the respect of all the younger generation and still stop their fight for Tibetan cause. This is the risk CTA is taking and I am not sure if they are aware of it.
For the sake of unity, CTA must lift the ban down, NOW!
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Sikyong you are exposed now by these bright and innocent kids and you are trying hard to contain yourself by lying against lies. How long more can you and your khasag pretend there is no discrimination and ostracism in your society? For how long more can you create schism and segregation in your society? Why mess up, suppress and undermine your countrymen?
Please be in the reality that you are living in the 21st century and no longer in ancient Tibet. The Shugden discrimination has affected millions of diversified nationalities since this a mainstream Gelug practice which has become a global phenomena. All nationalities of Shugden practitioners will fight CTA (a weak stateless community dependent on donations) to the end. CTA will have every thing to loose. Better CTA do not make an embarrassment and a fool of yourselves before it is too late. Lift the ban now!
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Finally those in the Tibetan community are waking up to the fact that they can stand up to the CTA and demand answers for these unfounded policies of religious persecution. I am surprised it has taken this long as living in India, they are surrounded by people who exercise their religious freedoms on a daily basis and also their right to be able to question politicians.
I am over joyed that the Tibetan youth have finally had the courage to ask these tough questions which Sikyong-la is obviously irate about in his answering. It speaks to the inadequacies of this preparation in attending this event, that he obviously didn’t think that this subject was going to be mentioned, as if he did he would prepared himself for this.
It seems that this unbearable situation is gaining ground, even among the non-practicing Tibetan population themselves. This persecution, which is exactly what it is, will not go unnoticed by the masses any longer and even those who have noticed have been shown the inadequacies of their government and leaders, and will question more and more what is happening, and how it is effecting the lives of so many people. This marks the another mile stone in the battle to bring down this ban of religious persecution.
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Whether you are a Harvard graduate or not, one cannot defend a ban that is based on nothing solid. Though I cannot understand the language, from the tone and gesture, the Tibetan youth spoke eloquently, confidently and with knowledge. In this modern telecommunication era, information are vast on the internet. People can also make connections with people over social media. With so much information made available about Dorje Shugden specially on DS.com, many people are now much more educated about this Protector and also the circumstances surrounding the ban of this practice.
This momentum should not stop. It's time Tibetans themselves take a strong stand against CTA on DS ban instead of relying on outsider/non-Tibetans. This is a fantastic start and hope it will very soon lead to the lifting of DS ban and a shift in the governing methods of CTA.
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CTA is fair to all Tibetan by providing them ID and green card? Sikyong Lobsang Sangye is telling a bare-faced lie! How can he pretend he do not know what’s happening to the Dorje Shugden practitioners? Even the students who stay in India are aware of what’s happening to the Tibetans who are Shugden practitioners.
What has Sikyong Lobsang Sangye done to the Serpom Monastery monks if CTA is fair to all Tibetans? Have CTA provided them with any education, medical treatment and basic necessities? Have CTA ever stopped the vandalism and the throwing of debris on the land near to Serpom Monastery? Or CTA just pretended that they do not know about it?
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CTA is fair to all Tibetan by providing them ID and green card? Sikyong Lobsang Sangye is telling a bare-faced lie! How can he pretend he do not know what’s happening to the Dorje Shugden practitioners? Even the students who stay in India are aware of what’s happening to the Tibetans who are Shugden practitioners.
What has Sikyong Lobsang Sangye done to the Serpom Monastery monks if CTA is fair to all Tibetans? Have CTA provided them with any education, medical treatment and basic necessities? Have CTA ever stopped the vandalism and the throwing of debris on the land near to Serpom Monastery? Or CTA just pretended that they do not know about it?
I am very upset when I see what happened to Serpom Monastery.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/serpom-monastery-almost-three-years-later/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/serpom-monastery-almost-three-years-later/)
CTA, please stop all these and lift the ban NOW!!
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It is really very simple... anyone who does not believe, journalist and reporters, please just go take a look at this wall that separates the monks! (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/images/segregationwall.jpg)
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-segregation-wall-at-ganden-monastery/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-segregation-wall-at-ganden-monastery/)
Interview the monks in Serpom and Shar Gaden. Ask them what made them decided to built their own monastery.
It has no gate, no entryway along its entire length. It is designed only to separate, to divide monk from monk; it even blocks access to the old road. It stands 9 feet tall and is made of concrete bricks. Visually, it is attractive in the same architectural style as the monastery. However, it’s appearance is deceptive and hides a sinister purpose. Each brick is an eerie symbol of inequality and hatred, instilled on the basis of just a religious belief. The wall lies on the brown dusty earth — the very earth on which we all stand equal as human beings, each with the basic right to hold the faith of our choosing. It rises, row by row, into our common sky — the vast common canopy into which all can gaze, uplifting the mind beyond the mundane to the infinite and even the holy.
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Whether you are a Harvard graduate or not, one cannot defend a ban that is based on nothing solid. Though I cannot understand the language, from the tone and gesture, the Tibetan youth spoke eloquently, confidently and with knowledge. In this modern telecommunication era, information are vast on the internet. People can also make connections with people over social media. With so much information made available about Dorje Shugden specially on DS.com, many people are now much more educated about this Protector and also the circumstances surrounding the ban of this practice.
This momentum should not stop. It's time Tibetans themselves take a strong stand against CTA on DS ban instead of relying on outsider/non-Tibetans. This is a fantastic start and hope it will very soon lead to the lifting of DS ban and a shift in the governing methods of CTA.
Hey I beg to differ. In the monastery, you are taught to defend black as white, and white as black so it is definitely possible to defend something illogical. This doesnt take place just in the monastery but in the secular world as well. Case in point, Ive friends who are very good at coming up with conclusions which are based off incorrect information... but although the information is incorrect, their reasoning is very sound and logical, and you can see how they arrived at their conclusion. And since they have their reasoning which is sound and logical (although the basis is incorrect), its easy for them to defend and debate.
What am I trying to say? I think the Sikyongs been out of the world for a little while, and lost his edge because even with teenagers, he wasnt able to debate with them to make them believe in the Tibetan governments official guidelines. If he cant debate with teenagers, what makes him think he can gain autonomy (or is it independence? I lose track) from the Chinese?
Sad to say, this is the best Tibetan society has to offer as a leader after the Dalai Lama has to manifest clear light. Could they not find someone better?
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I am impressed by the intelligence of the students. And was amazed by the "clever" answered by Lobsang Sangay. So much lies... so obvious and yet daring
If there is no abused to the Dorje Shugden practitioner, why is there reported on monks being hit?
If there is no discrimination, why is there signage everywhere stated that Dorje Shugden practitioner can't attend to here and there?
There was a concerned that CTA are creating another Pakistan and Indian. The students could see the future of the Ban. Why can't CTA?
There were compassion from the students that , there are same Tibetan community live in Indian as an exile communities, there are in the same boats. Why can't the CTA have peace, but do so many things to "kill" own brother and sister?
CTA, please wake up and look around you. As what the students said, your own future generation requested, if Dorje Shugden practice is bad, why not have open discussion and talk to the practitioner. Why do so many small actions?
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There are a couple of things Lobsang Sangay and the CTA forgot, when they decided to carry out a question-and-answer exercise with the young Tibetans, who grew up in India, and have been exposed to the new, emerging world culture of democracy and freedom of speech. They forgot that these young people, unlike the generation of their fathers who had grown up in a 'closed-door' Tibet, while respectful of authority, would question whatever they find illogical or unacceptable or contradictory to what they themselves have observed on the ground.
These are sincere youngsters , who speak the language of honesty and integrity, and from the heart. From the heart they say "Dhogyal people are also Tibetans, and they have Tibetan blood and bones. Being Tibetan, give them rights to religion. Even India has this rights called 'secularism ethics". so, I think, we should also follow rules".These are people who are expressing their sincere feelings,as they watch their Shugden practitioner friends suffer from oppression and persecution by the Tibetan leadership .
Sikong Lobsang Sangay and CTA forget that these young people will be the leaders who will form the government of tomorrow, if Tibet gains Independence ,or, they will be the leaders of the community of Tibetans -in -Exile . They will be inheriting the mantle of leadership from them. So how can they be so short-sighted and attempt to deceive by lying, covering and contradictions?
I agree with vajrastorm. It is very refreshing to see the Tibetan youths of today speaking out from their observations and questioning the logic behind CTA's stand against Shugden practitioners. And what makes this incident much more heartwarming is that these youths who are probably not practicing DS but see their fellow Tibetan DS practitioners as being discriminated unjustly by CTA. I am glad to see this new development unfolding in today's questioning and compassionate Tibetan youths who I hope will one day spearhead the lifting of the DS ban by putting pressure on the CTA.
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what ever the CTA is doing, is backfiring!! all the lies that was being told by Pempa Tsering has many people watch in disgust how he and CTA are using dirty tactic by smearing and defaming Pabongkha Rinpoche, the Lineage Guru of the Ganden Tradition, and indirectly saying all Dalai Lama wisdom and knowledge are of evil too? because H.H Dalai Lama Guru is the previous Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche who is HHDL Junior Tutor, and the teaching and wisdom of Trijang Rinpoche is also received from Pabongkha Rinpoche.
The CTA is really not so clever defaming the Lineage Guru, and all their actions of bannign DS practice has cause many inconvenient to not only the DS practitioner, but also the whole Tibetan community as a whole. It has certainly created alot of negative perception to not only the CTA, but also HHDL, and what ever the Pro-Dalai Lama people are doing is hurting Buddhism as a whole and hurting the Gelugpa Lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa Teaching!
thankfully these students realize the implication of DS ban on the whole Tibetan community, and it is now the CTA are more pressured, they should have realize now what ever they are doing, is really hurting the Tibetan cause, and not Dorje Shugden Practice! They are the real culprit!!!
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Is really shocking to see Tibetan children at such young age are so observant, outspoken and daring to ask Sikyong Lobsang Sangye these questions. How come supporters of the ban don't see the damage done by the ban, is it because they do not practice DS and they don't have the blessing and wisdom from Manjushri?
Questions asked by these children will caused an alarm to the CTA people and Dalai Lama. If people start to question you about your actions and you cover it with lies, how long the lies can last. 1 fine day, the truth will reveal. If there is doubt, trust level also start to shake. Will this beneficial to the Dalai Lama in the long run?
Children are the future of the country. Nowaday, most children have their basic education, and they have independence thinking, they will not follow instructions blindly. May thes future generations have the wisdom to see things clearly and diffrentiate beteween lies and truth and help lift the ban for the benefits of other sentient beings and especially the DS practitioners.
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The world's youngest dynamic populations belong to Gen Z -
Many members of this generation are highly connected, having had lifelong use of communication and media technology like the World Wide Web, instant messaging, text messaging, MP3 players, and mobile phones, earning them the nickname "digital natives".
CTA would be foolish not to take these kids seriously. Information and knowledge is not riding your horse for a few days to get to a place and request a lama in the traditional manner. Now with a click of a mouse, information and knowledge is available. CTA's methods of dealing with its young people is truly backward in nature which tells Lobsang Sangay is seriously out of touch with his own people.
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The world's youngest dynamic populations belong to Gen Z -
Many members of this generation are highly connected, having had lifelong use of communication and media technology like the World Wide Web, instant messaging, text messaging, MP3 players, and mobile phones, earning them the nickname "digital natives".
CTA would be foolish not to take these kids seriously. Information and knowledge is not riding your horse for a few days to get to a place and request a lama in the traditional manner. Now with a click of a mouse, information and knowledge is available. CTA's methods of dealing with its young people is truly backward in nature which tells Lobsang Sangay is seriously out of touch with his own people.
Yes, I wonder why the CTA are still so ignorance and still want to cover their lies one after another. The spoke man of Tibet Penpa Tsering recently spoke on Dorje Shugden and he even defames HH Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/penpa-tsering-defames-kyabje-pabongka-rinpoche/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/penpa-tsering-defames-kyabje-pabongka-rinpoche/)
First of all, Penpa Tsering is just a politician and not a lama or monk that should be giving all the explanation on a religion. Secondly, how dare him to defame high lama such as Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and Kyabe Trijang Rinpoche who are also lineage masters and teachers and tutor of HH Dalai Lama! What a shame on CTA!
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To suppress the citizens, CTA had not been concentrating on educating their youth. They wish to perpetuate a nation of farmers and cowherds, to whom their lies will land well.
Thank goodness to the internet and social media and great websites like ds.com, education and the truth prevails. With knowledge the Tibetan youth questions their leaders and see how the leaders have failed even in addressing the youth's concerns.
CTA is both an international and domestic representation of the Tibetans in exile and the karma of injustice and lies are returning to beckon them to change and repent. Have the wisdom to do so, at least then the world will respect CTA for compassion if not governance. Lift the Shugden ban and CTA may look better.