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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: vajratruth on October 03, 2013, 07:29:02 PM
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This news is over a year old but it is still noteworthy to highlight how ridiculously inconsistent and two-faced the Tibetan leadership is. In asking Tibetan Muslim youths to join the Tibetan government in exile, the Dalai Lama said, “all Tibetans are one irrespective of different religions” but this one-ness that the Dalai Lama often speaks of, does not extend to Tibetans who worship Dorje Shugden. As far as the Dalai Lama is concerned, any religious practice and god is acceptable but not Dorje Shugden. It seems quite personal.
This is very strange because whilst we make no criticism whatsoever of the Islamic faith, the religion has little in common with Buddhism. Muslims believe in a monotheistic god whom they go to for salvation while Buddhists insists that we should only go for refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha. The Dalai Lama and CTA expels from their midst Shugden practitioners whom they wrongly accuse of abandoning the Three Jewels, but welcome Muslims who seek refuge in Allah. Therefore even if Shugden practitioners do go to Dorje Shugden for refuge (which they do not and all Shugden practitioners without fail recognize the Three Jewels as the only appropriate refuge), it should not disqualify them from holding public office and positions in CTA-related organizations, seeing that Muslims are welcomed to join the Tibetan administration. Why does the Dalai Lama accept a religion that has considerable doctrinal differences with Buddhism and reject Dorje Shugden which is a main deity of Buddhism as practiced [primarily] by the Gelugpas? Where is the logic in this?
On the face of it, the Dalai Lama's invitation for Muslims to join the CTA seem to be a noble act aimed at cultivating religious tolerance but we already know from the Shugden ban how fanatically intolerant the Dalai Lama is of religious practices that are not aligned to his political ambitions. Calling for Muslims to join the government is therefore another cunning plan by the Tibetan leadership; an unabashed attempt to gain the support of Islamic countries and influential Muslims in the world for the almost-lost Tibetan cause. Be that as it may, this is another obscene show of hypocrisy by the Tibetan leadership.
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The Dalai Lama welcomes Tibetan Muslims to join CTA
Jul212012 at 3:06 PM
By Tendar Tsering
Dharamshala: Addressing a group of Tibetan Muslims in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir, the Dalai Lama last week welcomed Tibetan Muslim youths to join the Central Tibetan Administration.
The Tibetan spiritual leader, speaking in Tibetan, emphasised on the need for sharing responsibility during difficult times and noted that “all Tibetans are one irrespective of different religions.”
The Dalai Lama is currently on a weeklong trip to Srinagar, the capital of north Indian state, on the invitation of the state Tourism Minister Ngawang Rinzin Jora.
Thousands of people, including Tibetan Muslims and Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir, Omar Abdullah, greeted the Dalai Lama at a grand public reception held in honor of the Tibetan spiritual leader at the Tibetan Public School in the capital.
The Dalai Lama said he was glad to see the Tibetan Muslims after a long time and appreciated their hard work and dedication in nurturing the local Tibetan school.
Currently there are no Tibetan Muslims serving in the CTA.
“Earlier, there were two Tibetan Muslims serving in the CTA but later, one got retired and the other resigned. So, as of now, we don’t have any Tibetan Muslim serving in the CTA,” a staff at the Public Service Commission of the CTA told Phayul.
Speaking to the Chief Minister of Jammu and Kashmir, Omar Abdullah at the reception ceremony, the Dalai Lama told the state leader that he has personally known three generations of the Abdullah family.
Calling the Chief Minister as young, energetic, and visionary leader, the Dalai Lama urged him to carry on the work of active service to people in the future.
Omar Abdullah, in his keynote speech, said that his state has seen some violence in the past, but “now with the blessing of the Tibetan spiritual leader, peace and tranquility will prevail in the state.”
Following the reception ceremony, the Dalai Lama visited the mosque of the Tibetan Muslim community.
Most of the Tibetan Muslims in the locality are children of Tibetan women and Kashmiri traders who had settled in Tibet seven centuries ago, and later fled Tibet following China’s invasion in 1959.
Apart from Tibetan Muslims, the northern Indian state is home to hundreds of Tibetan Buddhists who are settled in several camps in the state as refugees since 1959.
The Dalai Lama is scheduled to visit the Tibetan refugee camps in Ladakh and give religious teachings.
The last time that the Tibetan spiritual leader visited Srinagar was in 1988.
[Source:http://www.indianmuslimobserver.com/2012/07/the-dalai-lama-welcomes-tibetan-muslims.html]
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I do support a government should consists of various parties from different religions so that voices from different group especially the minority will be able to be heard. However, the act of inviting Muslim but at the same time banning and restricting Dorje Shugden practitioners is so contradicting! To me, all these are just political talks! If CTA is so open as to accepting a different religion such as Muslim, then they should have better reasons to accept Dorje Shugden practitioners who are following the same religions, i.e. Buddhism, but just worship an additional deity/Buddha – Dorje Shugden! Furthermore, Dorje Shugden are passed down by high lamas such as Pabongka Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche, Song Rinpoche, etc, who are also the teachers of HH Dalai Lama, how can them be wrong? If CTA can accept Muslim, they should accept Dorje Shugden practitioners or their claims on "all Tibetans are one irrespective of different religions" is just lies...
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The sentiments by Vajratruth and Lotus1 are mirrored in my own opinion. The hypocrisy and blatant contradiction is apparent is His Holiness Dalai Lama's actions. How is it OK to embrace other religions while yet suppressing his own religion and own lineage/tradition. This just seems to me to be an effort in shifting the world’s attention from the issues surrounding his own tradition, which HH Dalai Lama himself increased, by promoting himself as a man who promoted religious tolerance. Even though this is the case and it is praise worthy and definitely a step forward for everyone involved that HH Dalai Lama, it just seems half-hearted when HH Dalai Lama cannot even unite his own lineage.
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Mmm... The point is that by admitting the Muslim faction into the CTA, HHDL's actions of banning Dorje Shugden seems justifiable. ??? If the CTA, which is the beacon of Tibetan Buddhism since it is the home of its spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, can accept and allow a monotheistic religion to be part of its administration, there must be something very "wrong" with the Shugden. Or else why would HHDL so adamantly spoke against it when he was going all one-ness with the Muslims and is seen taking pictures with the Pope, political leaders and what have you. This is the dangerous mind game that is being played by the CTA. And they must be exposed. >:(
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It simply cannot be emphasized enough the inconsistent practice of religious tolerance by HH Dalai Lama and CTA accorded to all Tibetans other than Tibetans who practise Dorje Shugden!
For someone who is the symbol of compassion and an ambassador of Buddhism, HH Dalai Lama baffles many with his actions! For a government who adopts democracy, the voice of the Tibetans who follow Dorje Shugden is never heard or represented in the government!
This is clearly injustice and inequality for the oppressed Shugden followers. For the sake of the happiness of future generations of Tibetans and the world at large, the ban on Dorje Shugden must be abolished now!
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Hmmm...this is getting to be very inconsistent. The Tibetans in-exiled in India are being split into Shugden practitioners and non Shugden practitioners after the ban was imposed by His Holiness. Shugden practitioners are being turned away from getting medical treatments from clinics and their children are not allowed to attend schools. All because of their decision to continue with their DS practice. And now, HHDL is preaching religion tolerance and oneness. Now that the Muslims are invited to join the CTA , should the DS practitioners also be represented in the government?
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It is just so inconsistent. If they can accept Muslims, then why can't they accept Dorje Shugden practitioners? Some more Dorje Shugden practitioners are also Buddhists. Is just that they take refuge in another deity/protector as well.
So why hate Dorje Shugden practitioners when you can accept Muslims when they are so different? Shouldn't they accept Dorje Shugden practitioners as well if they were being "fair" to all religions?
They words and actions are just all so contradicting.
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I couldn't agree more that the Dalai Lama has been inconsistent over the years. The Dalai Lama goes around the world to promote peace and compassion but just could not do it for his fellow citizens. There must be a split between the community where the Dorje Shugden practitioners are being discriminated on. Why can he accept the Muslims and not Buddhist of the same fate? Do not get me wrong, i am for all into the practice of racial and religious tolerance. I do think that Tibetans of any faith should join the CTA so that more views can be taken into consideration. But do you see any Dorje Shugden practitioners in CTA???? It is totally illogical……
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Well, they might as well throw in all the other religions into the melting pot. But Dorje Shugden has to stay out of it because he's a demon. Or it could be Dorje Shugden may be the cook that stirs the ladle in the melting pot. What other surprises could be in store for us?
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I wonder if His Holiness had Dorje Shugden practitioners in his mind when he said this statement:
“all Tibetans are one irrespective of different religions.”
What's more is that DS practitioners aren't even from a different religion..it's from the same Gelug lineage HH practises. So, from which part of the sentence are DS practitioners omitted from? They aren't Tibetans? No..many of them are. One tick for the statement being applied to them. DS practitioners aren't practising a religion? No, they are all Tibetan Buddhists.. Another tick for the statement applying to them. So Does that mean Tibetan DS practitioners are also considered as "one" in your terms, HH? If so, then shouldn't they be allowed to participate freely in everything, including being part of the CTA? Another contradiction there, your Holiness. tsk tsk.
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This news is over a year old but it is still noteworthy to highlight how ridiculously inconsistent and two-faced the Tibetan leadership is. In asking Tibetan Muslim youths to join the Tibetan government in exile, the Dalai Lama said, “all Tibetans are one irrespective of different religions” but this one-ness that the Dalai Lama often speaks of, does not extend to Tibetans who worship Dorje Shugden. As far as the Dalai Lama is concerned, any religious practice and god is acceptable but not Dorje Shugden. It seems quite personal.
This is very strange because whilst we make no criticism whatsoever of the Islamic faith, the religion has little in common with Buddhism. Muslims believe in a monotheistic god whom they go to for salvation while Buddhists insists that we should only go for refuge in the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha. The Dalai Lama and CTA expels from their midst Shugden practitioners whom they wrongly accuse of abandoning the Three Jewels, but welcome Muslims who seek refuge in Allah. Therefore even if Shugden practitioners do go to Dorje Shugden for refuge (which they do not and all Shugden practitioners without fail recognize the Three Jewels as the only appropriate refuge), it should not disqualify them from holding public office and positions in CTA-related organizations, seeing that Muslims are welcomed to join the Tibetan administration. Why does the Dalai Lama accept a religion that has considerable doctrinal differences with Buddhism and reject Dorje Shugden which is a main deity of Buddhism as practiced [primarily] by the Gelugpas? Where is the logic in this?
On the face of it, the Dalai Lama's invitation for Muslims to join the CTA seem to be a noble act aimed at cultivating religious tolerance but we already know from the Shugden ban how fanatically intolerant the Dalai Lama is of religious practices that are not aligned to his political ambitions. Calling for Muslims to join the government is therefore another cunning plan by the Tibetan leadership; an unabashed attempt to gain the support of Islamic countries and influential Muslims in the world for the almost-lost Tibetan cause. Be that as it may, this is another obscene show of hypocrisy by the Tibetan leadership.
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The Dalai Lama welcomes Tibetan Muslims to join CTA
Jul212012 at 3:06 PM
Hi VajraTruth,
At a teaching by Khen Khen Tsewang Rinpoche in Maryland (Paylul Nyingma: Penor Rinpoche's school), shortly after 9-11-2001, Khen Khen Tsewang said "Buddha, God, Allah--- same."
I think he is making the point that we all have different ways of seeing what we call Buddha. This is consistent with the idea that in the Tibetan Book of the Dead, if we are reading to a Buddhist, we read it with Buddha, if we are reading to a Hindu, we pick their main diety such as Shiva or whichever one they practiced, a Christian Christ surrounded by angels, or whatever is appropriate to how the people see what Buddhists call Buddha.
That's fine, in that different people have different karmas and therefore different paths and ways of seeing things.
Of course, I want to agree that it wouldn't make sense that the Dalai Lama would say that only people who go to refuge to the three Jewels this life would be allowed to hold positions in government, because Islamic people worship a monotheistic god this life.
Of course, people from any religion should be welcome in government.
As you rightly state, Dorje Shugden followers only go to refuge to the three Jewels: Buddha, Dharma and Sangha.
However, I disagree that we aren't going to refuge to Dorje Shugden. He is an aspect of Buddha; since I go to refuge to Buddha Dharma and Sangha, I necessarily go to refuge to Dorje Shugden, since he is one of the Buddhas. Though I had not heard of Dorje Shugden when I first took the Bodhisattva vow, I took that in the presence of all the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. Since Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, he along with all the other Buddhas heard my vow.
But of course, the Dalai Lama is pretending we are not Buddhists and has an advantage in confusing the west that most of them have no idea about Buddhism at all--- which is how he got away with trying to say he was the Buddhist 'pope.'
Had anyone noticed the history of Tibet, they would have noted that the Dalai Lama's claim was completely absurd, as his school is a newer school of Buddhism; in Christianity, as far as I understand it, the Pope was in charge of the church, and then other churches broke off. It is widely recognized that they have a right to do this.
However, in the case of the Dalai Lama, his office was well after the other schools had formed, and they were never under the auspices of any one lama--- there was no concept of a Pope. The Karmapa incarnations precede the Dalai Lama recognitions by 300 years, so how would Karmapa have been under the auspices of the Dalai Lama.
Basically, we have a politician who canonized himself, and a western community who has no idea what is going on, and hasn't bothered to find out.
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This is simply more hypocrisy from the Dalai Lama, but it is hardly surprising as he himself is a muslim. As it says in The False Dalai Lama book
Although Lhamo Dondrub is a Muslim, throughout his life he has maintained the pretence of being a Buddhist holy being, giving Buddhist teachings that he stole from his root Guru Trijang Rinpoche. In this way he has cheated people throughout the world.
http://falsedalailama.com/ (http://falsedalailama.com/)
It is a very little known fact that Lhamo Dondrub, who became the 14th Dalai Lama, is from Taktser, a muslim village and he was born into a muslim family. How likely is it that the 13th Dalai Lama would chose to incarnate into a muslim family? You can draw your own conclusions about the authenticity of the present Dalai Lama not only from his own actions but the story of how he was found.
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I just want to correct any misunderstanding about what I said. What I meant was that it is hardly surprising that the Dalai Lama would invite Tibetan Muslims to join the CTA as he himself is a Muslim. I did mean to imply, as my words could be read, that the Dalai Lama practises hypocrisy because he's a Muslim.
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This is simply more hypocrisy from the Dalai Lama, but it is hardly surprising as he himself is a muslim. As it says in The False Dalai Lama book
Although Lhamo Dondrub is a Muslim, throughout his life he has maintained the pretence of being a Buddhist holy being, giving Buddhist teachings that he stole from his root Guru Trijang Rinpoche. In this way he has cheated people throughout the world.
[url]http://falsedalailama.com/[/url] ([url]http://falsedalailama.com/[/url])
It is a very little known fact that Lhamo Dondrub, who became the 14th Dalai Lama, is from Taktser, a muslim village and he was born into a muslim family. How likely is it that the 13th Dalai Lama would chose to incarnate into a muslim family? You can draw your own conclusions about the authenticity of the present Dalai Lama not only from his own actions but the story of how he was found.
That's a good point, though I'm still not clear why we are bothering to look for successor since the time of the 5th. Check the lower realms....
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That's a good point, though I'm still not clear why we are bothering to look for successor since the time of the 5th. Check the lower realms....
You're right, the 'Great 5th' started a war and seized political power supported by the Mongols. He built the Potala Palace which was the start of him being regarded as an emanation of Avalokiteshvara and he mixed spiritual traditions, contrary to the first Dalai Lama, Gendundrub, who said of Je Tsongkhapa "I shall seek no refuge other than you".
As it says in the False Dalai Lama:
The Fifth Dalai Lama always showed two faces. One was that of a Nyingmapa and the other was that of a Gelugpa. In fact, he did not follow either tradition, but remained between them without ever finding a pure spiritual path. In this he was like the present Dalai Lama, the Fourteenth, who also shows two faces and likewise has never found a pure spiritual path.
The seventh Dalai Lama was quite different though, a pure spiritual practitioner.
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The seventh Dalai Lama was quite different though, a pure spiritual practitioner.
And possibly the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th as well, which might explain their premature deaths.
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That's a good point, though I'm still not clear why we are bothering to look for successor since the time of the 5th. Check the lower realms....
You're right, the 'Great 5th' started a war and seized political power supported by the Mongols. He built the Potala Palace which was the start of him being regarded as an emanation of Avalokiteshvara and he mixed spiritual traditions, contrary to the first Dalai Lama, Gendundrub, who said of Je Tsongkhapa "I shall seek no refuge other than you".
As it says in the False Dalai Lama:
The Fifth Dalai Lama always showed two faces. One was that of a Nyingmapa and the other was that of a Gelugpa. In fact, he did not follow either tradition, but remained between them without ever finding a pure spiritual path. In this he was like the present Dalai Lama, the Fourteenth, who also shows two faces and likewise has never found a pure spiritual path.
The seventh Dalai Lama was quite different though, a pure spiritual practitioner.
Well, maybe they found an emanation of Dorje Shugden to recognize as the Dalai Lama:), the 5th one have karmic obstacles to human rebirth....
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I echo everyone's view here. Also, during the grand reception, the students also performed a cultural performance and a pledge by the students of the Tibetan public school to uphold the ethics espoused by His Holiness the Dalai Lama – the promotion of human values and religious harmony. For us the Shugdenpas, this is baffling....
His Holiness also spoke on the importance of modern education but added that, only education is not enough for a healthy and happy life. He said love, compassion and inner happiness are essential to lead a peaceful and happy life. I guess everyone's definition of that is different, huh?
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This is indeed sad to look at the So call Buddhist Leader have an act that "kind" to other religion but cruel to eliminate own Dharma brother and sister just because they believed and practiced in Dorje Shugden.
Where is the justice?! It is compassion? Look at how the CTA treat the monks who practices Dorje Shugden. It is Humane?
Why be a two faces? How non Buddhist can think about Buddhism ?
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Why is everyone still so surprised about how inconsistent the Dalai Lama and for that matter, the CTA is? Many have concluded that the ban against Shugden was a political strategy to appear non-sectarian, aimed at garnering the support of the other non-Gelug sects of Buddhism by sacrificing the lineage of the Gelugpas. We keep pointing out that Dorje Shugden is not a demon - pointless when the Dalai Lama knows this all too well. Perhaps we should be focused on pointing out how the Dalai Lama then and the CTA now are running roughshod over the rights of their own people in the spirit of political expedience.
Vajratruth highlights how Muslims are welcome in the Tibetan communities while Buddhist Dorje Shugden practitioners are not. I too wish to highlight how the Dalai Lama publicly speaks against Buddhist violence towards the Muslim community in Myanmar while encouraging buddhist practitioners back home in Tibet to unleash such violence towards the Shugden community. The evidence speaks for itself. Sure the CTA must have a conscience or at least be embarrassed enough to do something about this blatant inconsistency?
Dalai Lama to Burmese monks : Enough anti- Rohingya violence
The Tibetan spiritual leader recalls the teachings of the Buddha and appeals to the Burmese monks : no more attacks and violence against "your Muslim brothers and sisters ." Aung San Suu Kyi calls for amendments to the Constitution to solve the ethnic problem . In the sixth anniversary of the Saffron Revolution monks call on authorities to apologize .
Yangon ( AsiaNews / Agencies) - The Dalai Lama has appealed to Burmese Buddhist Monks asking them to act according to the principles of the Buddha, avoiding violence or targeted attacks against the Rohingya Muslim minority in Myanmar. "When resentment or anger towards your Muslim brothers and sisters emerge - said the Tibetan spiritual leader , during an annual peace conference held recently in Prague, Czech Republic - please , remember [ the principles ] of the Buddhist faith . " He added, "to be sure" that in following the teachings of the Enlightened One, the Burmese monks will "protect their Muslim brothers and sisters who are increasingly victims."
The Burmese Buddhist monks became involved in a campaign against the Muslims, with protests and, in some cases, direct attacks against the community or individual groups. In particular, the anti- Rohingya violence in the western state of Rakhine erupted in June 2012 caused at least 200 deaths - especially among the Muslim minority - and more than 140 thousand displaced people.
In recent days, the Burmese religious marked the sixth anniversary of the "Saffron Revolution" , which flared up between August and September of 2007 and was violently repressed by the junta , with more than 30 deaths and hundreds of monks arrested . For years, religious people rejected offers by the military and would not provide their functions and celebrations in protest against the brutal repression. Leaders of the Burmese Buddhist movement confirm that the ban will not be lifted "as long as there will be no official apology" from the authorities. Among the aims of this sixth anniversary of the massacre, the promotion "of nationality and religion , peace and national reconciliation and a significant progress on the democratic path of Myanmar."
Meanwhile, the opposition leader and Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung San Suu Kyi , on her recent European tour, touched on the issue of violence against minorities in Myanmar. The "Lady " points the finger at the current Constitution - written by the military dictatorship and ratified in a farce referendum in 2008, an emergency text due to Cyclone Nargis - emphasizing that it must be "modified" to eradicate the roots of conflicts. " The ethnic problem - said the parliamentary leader of the National League for Democracy ( NLD) - will not be solved with this Constitution, which does not meet the aspirations of the ethnic nationalities ." She adds that minorities must be guaranteed " safety first ", because " they feel that they do not have equal access to justice".
In the last two years, violence between Buddhists and Muslims have raised tensions between the different ethnic groups and religious denominations that define Myanmar, especially in the western state of Rakhine where clashes have broken out between native Arakanese and Rohingya Muslims. The rape and murder of a young Buddhist woman sparked a spiral of terror, which caused hundreds of deaths and houses destroyed, and displaced at least 160,000 people, many of whom have sought refuge outside Myanmar, trying to escape attacks by the 969 Movement, a Buddhist extremist organisation. According to United Nations estimates, there are at least 800,000 Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. For the Myanmar government they are illegal immigrants, which is why they are victims of abuse and persecution.