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Title: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Big Uncle on January 03, 2013, 09:13:56 AM
For New Years 2013 this year, I went on a pilgrimage to Bodhgaya, the land of Buddha's enlightenment. Just prior to flying, I had just received a whole shipment of Dorje Shugden comic books from the eShop. At the stupa, I managed to make a lot of offerings, prayers, prostrations and mantras at the Stupa. While circumambulating, I had a sudden thought.

I went back and discreetly brought the comics along with me and went on a distribution round by quietly offering the comic books to some of the pilgrims there. I even managed to capture the couple, reading the comic book right after they finished their meditation. On top of that, I managed to perform a whole Dorje Shugden puja every time I went to the Stupa. I love coming to Bodhgaya and would from time to time travel to Bodhgaya with some friends for pilgrimage.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: yontenjamyang on January 03, 2013, 09:35:45 AM
Big Uncle. I rejoice in your enlightened activities in Bodhgaya. To be able to go to Bodhgaya requires a lot merits and to be able to bring the Protector to others at this holiest of site will generate tremendous merits. You also did  many to do a whole Dorje Shugden puja. What a joy. I rejoice.

I hope one day soon, Dorje Shugden practitioners can openly do this puja. I doubt it can be done openly know without attracting attention. When the ban is lifted let this forum organize a trip there and we can all meet and know each other and do the puja openly and rejoice.

I am confident the day will come soon.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: WisdomBeing on January 03, 2013, 10:30:48 AM
How lovely it is to see Dorje Shugden at Bodhgaya, albeit in comic form! It is very generous and kind of you to have ordered the books and freely given them away. What a great and meritorious New Year’s gift to the pilgrims there though. I am sure their lives were enriched by the story of Dorje Shugden. I hope that they will go to the URL on the comic and come and join us here on this forum. It is wonderful that you managed to perform Dorje Shugden pujas at this holy place. I hope to do the same one day! Lots of saving up to do! Thanks again for sharing.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Barzin on January 03, 2013, 04:52:50 PM
I am sure Dorje Shugden's affinity has never left the presence of the Buddha.  I might be talking crazy, but if Dorje Shugden is evil, why would these people have the merits to receive the distribution items in such holy land?  The pilgrims travelled miles to the holy land, finding solace and performing the most powerful pure prayers and they get in touch with Dorje Shugden is something to be rejoiced about.  Dorje Shugden is everywhere now, unstoppable!!!  I also hope many of the Shugden practitioners would continuously spread the practice, because the day that the ban is lifted, it will be the biggest benefit to all to continue the noble work of the Buddha!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: vajratruth on January 03, 2013, 07:37:42 PM
What a double blessing for those who managed to pick up the Dorje Shugden book - to be in such a holy place as Bodhgaya, and to come across the Protector King. This is welcome news Big Uncle! It is initiatives such as yours that will bring the ban down faster by creating even more awareness of what the CTA is doing to its own people.

It is a real shame that the Sikyong Lobsang Sangay has not done much to rectify the situation for that might very well be the turning point for the Tibetans in exile to return to their homeland.

Thank you for your efforts BU.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on January 04, 2013, 05:58:50 AM
It's quite incredible to have Dorje Shugden's material in Bodhgaya, because it has a lot of sincere Buddhist pilgrims who will find it very beneficial and helpful to be exposed to Dorje Shugden as they will face difficulties on their own Dharma practice and Dorje Shugden is the perfect Dharma protector for those who are just starting on their own path and journey in Buddhism. It would also plant seeds in people and make them associate Dorje Shugden with the Buddha and perhaps, they will also educate other like minded Buddhists about who Dorje Shugden really is.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Galen on January 04, 2013, 02:52:57 PM
What you did Big Uncle is very noble and kind. You are spreading the teachings and practice to those who have the affinity with Buddha in the Holiest place. I rejoice seeing the couple reading the comic book together. Sure Dharma seeds will be planted in them and will practice DS when their karma ripens. Also they will take the book back to their home country and share with their family and friends. Therefore, more people will benefit from a single book. THe ripple effect would be great. You are so lucky to be able to go to Bodhgaya from time to time for pilgrimage. I so envy you.
 
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on January 05, 2013, 05:36:33 AM
It is a very good idea to spread Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya, come to think of it because it would give the impression that Dorje Shugden is good in the minds of people. The minds of people can be quite easily swayed by impressions and things like these. Also, it would allow people to understand more about Dorje Shugden not just in any place but he place where the Buddha attained his enlightenment and that will have a lot of positive energy which will supplant their understanding and faith in Dorje Shugden in their minds. Perhaps one day they will even take up the practice and look through the Dalai Lama's weak excuses in his website and these people will only grow in number.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: kris on January 05, 2013, 12:29:35 PM
Thank you Big Uncle for buying the comics from the eShop http://shop.dorjeshugden.com (http://shop.dorjeshugden.com) . This website and the many works done by the owner of this website requires a lot of funding, and supporting the eShop is one of the ways to support this website.

Also, big thanks to Big Uncle for being so considerate and distribute the comics for free. I am sure many will benefit from reading the comics. I have rad the comics online and I really love the illustration.

May more and more people know about Dorje Shugden practice and the ban be lifted very soon!!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Positive Change on January 05, 2013, 04:37:45 PM
Brilliant Big Uncle... goes to show, if we all did our part in helping to spread Dorje Shugden in peaceful method using the 'sword of wisdom' and NOT any form of violence... we CAN make a difference. Especially when the ban comes down (yes it will come down as I believe there is no foundation for it to stand the test of time), we will show the world, the 'war' was won in a peaceful manner and what better example of a Buddhist practitioner can we be?

By the way, I too have bought the comics and I too give them away... it is such a magnificent gift for children and adults alike!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: dsiluvu on January 05, 2013, 05:57:19 PM
Hehehe very smart Big Uncle!!! That is so mint of you to do that, it's sneaky but good sneaky! I hope from the many people who sees this post will find creative ways to start distributing Dorje Shugden brochures and images every where around the world. Bodhghaya is indeed an awesome place to be and you know those who are there are definitely spiritual seekers and those who are open will be more then happy to receive those comics, thinking it may even be a blessings from the Buddha :) It quite exciting to see the couple reading the story of Dorje Shugden and I am sure they will start surfing our web now for more info! Good Job!

I think a part from such beautiful pilgrimages, we can also distribute them in cities with many distribution stands in and around malls, other dharma book stores, the hospitals and just about any where really. All we need to do it get creative and keep distributing ;) This is surely one way of creative awareness on Dorje Shugden! Much Rejoice Big Uncle!!!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on January 06, 2013, 04:47:06 AM
You know what would be incredible? It would be  to see Dorje Shugden's material in Ganden in Tibet as well as in Yong He Gong and Wutai Shan, in the Chinese language. That way, everyone would know that Dorje Shugden is Manjushri and Tsongkhapa and Dorje Shugden would be installed at their altar alongside with Manjushri and Tsongkhapa. And all the same, CTA cannot reach those and more and more and more people will be touched by Dorje Shugden in their lives.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Aurore on January 06, 2013, 08:53:09 AM
Thumbs up to Big Uncle! You are an inspiration and I hope others (including me) will be inspired to do the same.

This is how big religions we see now spread and grew. It's because of the dedication of each religion's followers determine to share what they have found useful in their lives. If everyone does their part in spreading Dorje Shugden, we can start a renaissance with Buddhism and bringing this religion a new level like never before.

Just imagine that. I'm going to do some online shopping now. Here's the link for those who are inspired to spread the practice of Dorje Shugden too --> http://shop.dorjeshugden.com/books/dorje-shugden-comic-book-english.html (http://shop.dorjeshugden.com/books/dorje-shugden-comic-book-english.html)
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: thor on January 06, 2013, 12:29:31 PM
Excellent idea Big Uncle. While traveling to other pilgrimage sites this year, I have also seen copies of the Dorjr Shugden comic in strategic locations. Even in Kathmandu, I saw copies that had been translated into their local language. Is this your doing as well? Because if it is, you are doing a tremendous job.

Take for instance Ganchen Rinpoche, who travels the world every year, pretty much non stop. I have been told that his traveling is purposeful, as at every site, prayers and blessings are implanted into the environment. I found that very inspiring. And I had a sudden thought upon reading Big Uncle's news, that we too could do the same - plant the seeds of Dorje Shugden everywhere we go!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: whitelion on January 06, 2013, 03:53:23 PM
Thanks Big uncle for sharing this news, it's very great that more and more people are getting direct blessing from all sort of venue. We (DS practitioner) is facing a lot of questions from arounf the world, a lot of people was influenced by the non truth stories about DS, what we can do is provide the authentic background to the public.

The DS comic is really a good tool for newbies to understand more about DS, when people have the knowledge , they will know who are telling lies. I still remember when I read this wonderful comic, it brought me a lot of new knowledge about DS lineage background.

I remember in page that explained about Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen, it stated clearly Nechung (the state protector of Tibet) appeared as a white pigeon that transformed into a young boy and requested Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen to arise as an uncommon protector to protect the Gaden lineage and Nagajuna's middle view. If the state protector of Tibet requested one of DS lineage's reincarnation lama to protector the Gaden teaching, why Nechung choose someone that will be evil later ? This story told us clearly that Dulzin Drakpa Gyeltsen can not be evil, unless the state oracle was wrong.

read more here:
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/downloads/texts/first-ever-dorje-shugden-comic-book/#chapter5 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/downloads/texts/first-ever-dorje-shugden-comic-book/#chapter5)

Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: shugdenpromoter on January 06, 2013, 05:13:56 PM
It will be kind of cool to have a Dorje Shugden free distribution booth in all holy sites like Bodhgaya, Lumbini, Boudhanath, and etc.

It will be great if we could set up a donation center whereby we can donate towards printing of all these free distribution materials. After all in my family tradition, we do donate yearly towards dharma materials. Do let me know how we can do that.

Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: diablo1974 on January 07, 2013, 07:46:52 AM
Cool pictures and very good effort in bringing Dorje Shugden free distribution items with us at all times.  We can place and give to people who doesnt have the means to acquire Dharma. Its a very good way for people to acquire and plant the seeds of enlightenment through the King of Protector Dorje Shugden, He will be a link to enlightenment for many many beings. I believe in continuous effort in distributing these implements, the ban will be lifted soon as it will become a driven force for CTA to give up their political agenda with more and more DS practitioners around the world.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: pgdharma on January 09, 2013, 03:00:25 PM
Wow Big Uncle, I rejoice in your good fortune and merits to be able to visit such a holy place and what you did is a very meritorious act. It is very kind and thoughtful of you to order the comic books from eshop and take it all the way to this holy land to share Dorje Shugden's blessings with the pilgrims there. This is the best new year's gift for the many pilgrims there.

Dorje Shugden is spreading like wildfire now, HE is everywhere! May the  ban be lifted soon so that we can one day do a Dorje Shugden puja openly in this holy land!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Tenzin K on January 10, 2013, 03:46:47 PM
Great work Big Uncle!
What a wonderful spiritual trip you have! It’s so brilliant and kind of you offering the comic books to others. With this more people with get to know Lord Shugden and more people will start to learn up protector prayer.
At the same time also learn up how bad the CTA treat the practitioners. This is not just to put down but more to gain support from other to bring down the band!
May more Lord Shugden practitioners do the same and create the cause for more people know him and eventually benefited from the practice.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: lotus1 on January 12, 2013, 08:38:19 PM
Rejoice to Big Uncle able to spend your new year in such a holy and spiritual way to do pilgrimage to Bodhgaya. Most of all, rejoice in you able to spread Lord Shugden teaching at the holy place. The best giving is the giving of Dharma. And Lord Shugden is the protector of Tsongkapa teachings. May  more people will be able to learn about Lord Shugden and do his practice as we know he will support everyone to advance in their spiritual journey!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on April 11, 2013, 04:41:44 AM
It kinda makes me really happy to see these pilgrims read about Dorje Shugden as it would make their journey very blessed indeed because now they have the best Dharma protector of this day and age that will make their Spiritual Journey a worthwhile one. It is only fair that they get to learn about Dorje Shugden first before they make a decision whether or not to practice him or to follow the Dalai Lama because there are alternative Lamas out there that practice Dorje Shugden that would be equally qualified to be their spiritual guide.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Tenzin Malgyur on April 11, 2013, 03:34:05 PM
Big Uncle, that was a fantastic job you did at Bodhgaya. You always have so much creative ideas to plant Dorje Shugden into the minds of people. Rejoice for you and all the fortunate pilgrims who were presented with a special gift at the very holy site where our Lord Buddha attained enlightenment more than 2500 years ago. I would also like to get a few copies of the comics to bring with me on my next trip. Probably also some brochures and pendants too as a gift to some travelers along the way. Hopefully this will create more awareness and bring attention to the world that the Dorje Shugden ban is putting a lot of sufferings to many of its practitioners. May the ban be lifted very soon.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on April 12, 2013, 05:12:26 AM
It would be really great if there was a distribution stand or something that distributes books about Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya because Bodhgaya is a pilgrimage site that is visited by many Buddhists and they can get blessed by Dorje Shugden in that way and learn about having a Dharma protector that can help them in their spiritual journey to make the right directions. Today, many 'Buddhists' are 'lost' and they do not have a Guru because of certain texts being mistranslated, and certain texts that are not meant for laypeople are being made available for the laity which causes misunderstandings and the like and they need a guide. Dorje Shugden will be perfect to help them decide the path that they should tread on.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Big Uncle on April 12, 2013, 07:40:29 AM
Thank you for the compliments but I am really not the first person to do this and I am just following what other people from this website had done. I just happen to be travelling through Buddhist parts of India and I brought along some comics that I had ordered from the eshop.

I had a promotion and raise recently and I thought I celebrate it by purchasing some comics to give away to people. I hope Dorje Shugden will touch their lives as much as it has touched mine. Please feel free to do the same but be careful not to be caught by people. Be stealthy when distributing like this especially in public places and don't get in trouble.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: dsiluvu on April 12, 2013, 10:05:21 PM
Oh wow BIG UNCLE you are CLEVER!!!! I love your pictures. It is so inspiring to see this and to see people actually picking up the comics and reading it - yaay! And what a fantastic location to be doing this... Bodhgaya Mahaboddhi temple is such a beautiful and spiritual place. I've been there once, and the whole stupa temple is so vibrant with positive energy. And great thinking Big Uncle to hand out Dorje SHugden's comics there! We definitely have to do this more often and spread Dorje Shugden.

There are so many people in this world and not everyone is aware of the silly ban and they have the freedom to practice any religion they wish, after all it is only Dharamsala that is being weird by not practicing democracy which allows RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, something they are not familiar with I guess.

Anyway Big Uncle you have just inspired me to go out and hand out those comic books :) There is no law saying we cannot give books we like to others and there is certainly nothing wrong about educating people on Dorje Shugden. So yeah I rejoice for you!!!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on April 13, 2013, 01:25:57 AM
Thank you for the compliments but I am really not the first person to do this and I am just following what other people from this website had done. I just happen to be travelling through Buddhist parts of India and I brought along some comics that I had ordered from the eshop.

I had a promotion and raise recently and I thought I celebrate it by purchasing some comics to give away to people. I hope Dorje Shugden will touch their lives as much as it has touched mine. Please feel free to do the same but be careful not to be caught by people. Be stealthy when distributing like this especially in public places and don't get in trouble.

hahaha not to be caught by people? what is wrong with providing people with a free comic book? I dont see any trouble there...but one thing for sure is to be skillful in this as to not offend those from the other traditions i.e. not distributing it near Nyimgma, Kagyu or Sakya temples as of now the protector will only offend them more than plant good seeds. But in due time they will have to accept Dorje Shugden as their supreme protector due to the power of karma. It is actually pretty important to be considerate to others as Buddhists even though it may seem like a good idea for them to learn about the Dharma protector, but it would just antagonize them further.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: samayakeeper on April 13, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
Thank you for the compliments but I am really not the first person to do this and I am just following what other people from this website had done. I just happen to be travelling through Buddhist parts of India and I brought along some comics that I had ordered from the eshop.

I had a promotion and raise recently and I thought I celebrate it by purchasing some comics to give away to people. I hope Dorje Shugden will touch their lives as much as it has touched mine. Please feel free to do the same but be careful not to be caught by people. Be stealthy when distributing like this especially in public places and don't get in trouble.

hahaha not to be caught by people? what is wrong with providing people with a free comic book? I dont see any trouble there...but one thing for sure is to be skillful in this as to not offend those from the other traditions i.e. not distributing it near Nyimgma, Kagyu or Sakya temples as of now the protector will only offend them more than plant good seeds. But in due time they will have to accept Dorje Shugden as their supreme protector due to the power of karma. It is actually pretty important to be considerate to others as Buddhists even though it may seem like a good idea for them to learn about the Dharma protector, but it would just antagonize them further.



LOL! I agree with Ensapa. There is nothing wrong giving out free handouts to people. If anyone rejected just take it and thank them. Nothing illegal promoting something/someone we believe in as long as the law of the country allows free distribution of advertisement materials in public places.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Jessie Fong on April 13, 2013, 06:06:44 PM
Wow!! Big Uncle. Going to Bodhgaya on pilgrimage and also managed to spread Dorje Shugden.  HOw wonderful that people there a=have access to information about our King.

It's good to remember to bring along DS merchandise when we travel, so that we are able to pass these to other people so that they may be blessed and come under His protection.

I also agree with Ensapa that there is nothing wrong is giving free handouts. What you need to be aware of is that if people do not accept the handouts, these are not simple thrown away and become litter. Yes, please accept them back and pass on to other people.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: lotus1 on April 13, 2013, 08:36:37 PM
Thank you for the compliments but I am really not the first person to do this and I am just following what other people from this website had done. I just happen to be travelling through Buddhist parts of India and I brought along some comics that I had ordered from the eshop.

I had a promotion and raise recently and I thought I celebrate it by purchasing some comics to give away to people. I hope Dorje Shugden will touch their lives as much as it has touched mine. Please feel free to do the same but be careful not to be caught by people. Be stealthy when distributing like this especially in public places and don't get in trouble.


Dear Big Uncle, it’s such a great way of celebrating your recent promotion and raise.

There are more and more people distributing brochures, comic books, pendants, pictures, tsa tsa and also statues all over the world. Find out more from this link: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=735.600 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=735.600)

Thank you http://shop.dorjeshugden.com/about-us (http://shop.dorjeshugden.com/about-us) for making all these Dorje Shugden item available and can be easily purchased all over the world. I would wish to donate to you too so that your work can flourish and reach out to more people.

Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on April 14, 2013, 07:58:05 AM
Wow!! Big Uncle. Going to Bodhgaya on pilgrimage and also managed to spread Dorje Shugden.  HOw wonderful that people there a=have access to information about our King.

It's good to remember to bring along DS merchandise when we travel, so that we are able to pass these to other people so that they may be blessed and come under His protection.

I also agree with Ensapa that there is nothing wrong is giving free handouts. What you need to be aware of is that if people do not accept the handouts, these are not simple thrown away and become litter. Yes, please accept them back and pass on to other people.

However that part of the brochure distribution is kinda difficult to control because you will never know if they will throw the brochure away. If there is a risk of that, it would be better to leave a stack of brochures somewhere and let interested parties take them. people who take brochures out of their own free will are less likely to throw them away as well. So perhaps creating a small table or booth with an explanation on who Dorje Shugden is would make more sense than actually distributing them out in some countries.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: DharmaSpace on April 16, 2013, 04:51:17 PM
Wow if a Dorje Shugden statue can come up in Bodghaya that would be most awesome too.  Dorje Shugden can give help to many whom are difficult to be helped by conventional methods, or have too much negative karma manifesting in their lives. Blessed are the pilgrims who manage to receive dharma items related to Dorje Shugden. 
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on April 17, 2013, 04:35:30 AM
Wow if a Dorje Shugden statue can come up in Bodghaya that would be most awesome too.  Dorje Shugden can give help to many whom are difficult to be helped by conventional methods, or have too much negative karma manifesting in their lives. Blessed are the pilgrims who manage to receive dharma items related to Dorje Shugden.

It'll be a good start to their Dharma path and it would certainly help them along the path. It is difficult to practice Dharma and even harder to meet a Dharma teacher that will teach and train the students, and even then it is hard to follow the teacher all the way due to all kinds of distractions and negative karma. Only Dorje Shugden has the strength and compassion to help us at this time as well as many aspiring Buddhists that they will meet the path most suited to them and that they will go all the way with it and not give up halfway or get confused.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Big Uncle on April 17, 2013, 04:50:57 AM
Wow if a Dorje Shugden statue can come up in Bodghaya that would be most awesome too.  Dorje Shugden can give help to many whom are difficult to be helped by conventional methods, or have too much negative karma manifesting in their lives. Blessed are the pilgrims who manage to receive dharma items related to Dorje Shugden.

Once the ban is down in just a few more years, I am sure one of the Dorje Shugden lamas would immediately build a temple or a shrine to Dorje Shugdnen. I don't see this as a big problem but for now, it would be better to just work for the ban to come down. Already the Dalai Lama will not issue any more statements regarding Dorje Shugden.

I wonder what is it that will bring the Dorje Shugden ban down and I wondering if it has got anything to do with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. I believe this lama is going to be more and more influential in today's world. Somehow, there's going to some co-relation between Trijang Rinpoche rising and the lifting of the ban and of course, the global proliferation of Dorje Shugden's practice and lineage. That's pretty exciting, isn't it?
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden in Bodhgaya
Post by: Ensapa on April 17, 2013, 05:19:09 AM
Once the ban is down in just a few more years, I am sure one of the Dorje Shugden lamas would immediately build a temple or a shrine to Dorje Shugdnen. I don't see this as a big problem but for now, it would be better to just work for the ban to come down. Already the Dalai Lama will not issue any more statements regarding Dorje Shugden.

I wonder what is it that will bring the Dorje Shugden ban down and I wondering if it has got anything to do with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. I believe this lama is going to be more and more influential in today's world. Somehow, there's going to some co-relation between Trijang Rinpoche rising and the lifting of the ban and of course, the global proliferation of Dorje Shugden's practice and lineage. That's pretty exciting, isn't it?

To me, what would bring the ban down is having more and more people know the truth and then they can decide whether or not who is lying and whether or not Dorje Shugden is bad or good. The Dorje Shugden ban is based on lies and fabricated information as well as fanatical blind belief, and to counter these, the truth would need to be promoted and exposed. Only then will the ban be lifted when there are enough people who stop trusting the ban and be neutral about it.