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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: LosangKhyentse on February 18, 2012, 01:07:47 PM
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Did you know who the Dalai Lama's own brother is recognized as? And it's been kept secret and quiet. You would be amazed at the irony. TK
Take a read: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12317 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12317)
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I have heard of this indeed. The article is very interesting and is in complete contradiction to what HHDL says and yes the irony of it all.
I found this very cute picture of Ngari Rinpoche as well and some extra information:
Jetsun Pema, the Dalai Lama's sister recalls her little brother in Tibet My Story, London: Element , 1998 pp.41-2, "At the same time, another reincarnation was living in our house: my youngest brother, Tenzin Choegal, a rinpoche or spiritual master to whom we also paid great respect. He, however, shared our everday life and was sometimes very mischievous. At meal times, he did not think twice about getting down from his chair and joining us to be naughty, much to his tutor's distress. ... Everyone let him do exactly what he wanted, because of his position as a rinpoche."
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To add I also found this very interesting article from The University of San Francisco:
http://www.usfca.edu/templates/as_inside.aspx?id=4294977913 (http://www.usfca.edu/templates/as_inside.aspx?id=4294977913)
Extracted:
Tenzin Choegyal
A leading political and religious figure, former military officer, reincarnated rinpoche, and brother to the current Dalai Lama, Tenzin Choegyal is a man of many lives. His thinking on contemporary issues related to Tibet, China, religion, and the search for happiness is fresh, provocative, and guaranteed to stimulate further reflection. Join us for a discussion facilitated by Associate Professor Vincent Pizzuto, from the Department of Theology and Religious Studies at the University of San Francisco.
Tenzin Choegyal was born in Lhasa in 1946, and at the age of four was recognized as the 15th Ngari Rinpoche. Tenzin began his monastic education in Lhasa at Drepung Monastery in 1953 at the age of 7 and remained there until he fled Lhasa with the Dalai Lama and his family in 1959. After many years of study in India and abroad, Tenzin joined the Central Tibetan Administration (Tibetan Government in Exile) from 1971-1988, and then was elected to the Tibetan Parliament in Exile, from 1991-1995. Tenzin currently lives in Dharamsala, India with his wife, Rinchen Khandro.
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Oh my gosh this is unbelievable!!!
Is this really true how does Tenzin Choegyal feel? And if this is so then the BAN sure is a weird unless it is a manifestation of a much deeper reason for all the chaos.
I'm sure all these questions below (from the link) must have a real good reason otherwise honestly I would think HHDL is a shame (no disrespect!) and if He is then all the Gurus could be a shame too hence it can only mean the other
The evidence is irrefutable but the Tibetan government has downplayed this information until now, for fear that the Dalai Lama’s reputation would be ruined. Why would the Dalai Lama put a ban on his own brother and his line of reincarnations? How can an evil spirit reincarnate as the brother of the Dalai Lama? Why would the Dalai Lama allow his brother to be recognized into a line of incarnations supposedly banned? Why would the Dalai Lama let his brother who is supposedly an evil spirit to live and interact with him? How can an evil spirit have claim to the abbotship of monasteries? So many questions, with such few logical answers. The situation does not make sense. Surely the Dalai Lama, an emanation of Chenrezig himself, will know who his brother is a reincarnation of. Yet the Dalai Lama has said nothing. What would this information mean for the ban? What if one day the Dalai Lama admitted it himself? One thing is for sure – Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen has been reincarnating this whole time, and will continue to reincarnate. Now we have some evidence to show who, and where he could be. Given the nature of this information in relation to the Dogyal ban, it should be considered that is big news in Tibetan Buddhism.
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For those who wish to know more about Tenzin Choegyal, visit this -
http://lobeliatoadfoot.hubpages.com/hub/Tenzin-Choegyal--the-Dalai-Lamas-Brother (http://lobeliatoadfoot.hubpages.com/hub/Tenzin-Choegyal--the-Dalai-Lamas-Brother)
Tenzin said, “For people who are interested in spiritual tradition, study it, and study it in groups, with no leader.”
What do you think of his comment ? Is he implying that politics and spirituality should be separated ?
Perhaps this could be one of the reasons why his elder brother keeps him out of the lime light ....
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I think this is another fact that support the idea that the ban has a deeper meaning. The Dalai Lama and Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen being born in the same family is really significant karmically. Two Buddhas working to spread the Dharma together.
It is like the Dalai Lama is protecting TDG, waiting for the right time for the next move.
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For many years I have been reading so many historical references, including those of China. Emperor Kang Xi from Ching Dynasty has been one of my favorites in particular because of his positive influences. It's really surprising to me to read that he is actually one of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen's emanations. It seems to me that the dots are connected now. So many years, I contemplated and compared one ruler againsts the other. Some could be lousy and mean and the others were very good. What is the matter? They all received privilleged education and lifestyle. Yet some seemed to be successfuls while the others are failures.
But I finally came to the conclusion that it is very easy for us now to look back and fingerpoint who is lousy and who is not, while for the rulers of the past, it was very difficult for them to see the future. So it was not really fair for me to judge looking back. But yet, I could not help to wonder, how someone like Emperor Kang Xi seemed to be able to get most of his steps right although as a human being he could not see the future. Now the dots are connected.
I don't know now what is happening inside the enlightened mind of Dalai Lama. If his brother is the incarnation of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, so he is also the emanation of DS. If the fact is published like this, perhaps HHDL will provide few words of explanation about the purpose of the ban? Hopefully, as we continue dig further into this whole situation, the ban will be lifted soon and so many people will be released from suffering and dilemma. And in the time not far from now, we can look back and get the clear picture of the situation to know why this whole DS ban is being staged.
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This is such an obvious clue, one more, that backs up the reason for this apparently senseless ban.
For Manjushri to emanate within the Ngari tulkus, the same mindstream as Dorje Shugden AND as the Dalai Lama's own brother... one must be blind not to see the giant "wink".
We are at a peak here, we have everything in our hands, all the clues, all the tools, the opportunity, the means, so let's walk the path of a bodhisattva right now!
We will never know what karma we are wasting if we don't and we will definitely know what karma we are creating by looking the other way.... we will know, unfortunately...
Let's be wise and walk the right direction.
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Thank you TK and everyone for additonal posts on Tenzin Choegyal (TDG).
We are so lucky on this site to have free access to all things concerning DS...and wonderful contributors sharing their knowledge and information freely. Its truly an inspiration for this DS practitioner and I suspect others around the world.
Interview Key Points:
Pali Cannon:
"We should read more deeply and study more deeply"
Tenzin Choegyal:
"For people who are interested in spiritual tradition, study it, and study it in groups, with No Leader"
Not blind faith.
Non-violence / dialogue.
Believes in Reincarnation.
Follow Creed of Buddha NOT Rituals.
Practice outside Monastic Life is also important.
When questioned how HHDL felt about Tenzin Choegyal views the repsonse.."He accepts".
Interesting and enlightening as always DS.COM
Thank you again!
xo
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Wait a minute -- if HH's own brother is the reincarnation and with the ban in place, then it really is an awkward situation for both of them. Where HH is enforcing the ban, his youngest brother has to keep a low profile. If he comes out openly with his practise and recognition, where does that put HH? Did he ban his brother from practicing, personally?
So this "evil spirit" is within the family, how wierd can this be? Being in the same family as the one who has banned your practice?
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This is interesting. Why would Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen choose to be reborn in HHDL's family? He definitely has control over where he wanted to be reborn in, but why HHDL? Every Tulku when they come back, they come back with a mission, it makes me wonder what is Ngari's Rinpoche's mission in this lifetime? I believe he did no choose to be reborn to have a wife and 2 kids. It will be interesting to know more about his works, what he is doing now and what has he been doing.
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Thank you TK for this informative thread.
Lord Dorje Shugden and The Dalai Lama have been closely intertwined for many lifetimes. They have been fellow students, teacher – student and now, blood brothers. It is also no coincidence that both DS and DL always played key roles in the Dharma world in each incarnation.
What does this all mean? The complexity and ingenuity of this entire “production” is beyond our wildest imagination. The planning and orchestration of this entire controversy could have started many lifetimes ago…as early as the days of Panchen Sonam Dragpa!
If Buddha Shakyamuni could foretell the future so much ahead (example: Lord Buddha predicted that the young boy who presented Him with a crystal mala would return as Lama Tsongkapa in the land of snow to revive Buddhadharma), it is not surprise that highly attained beings can (together) coordinate their rebirth so as to cause the manifestation of a situation that will benefit the dharma as advanced as several lifetime beforehand. This may be especially necessary in the Dharma ending period.
Ngari Rinpoche has certainly been sheltered away in a manner similar to the current Trijang Rinpoche: Both living “normal” lay people life, both have important high-profile/role within the Dharma community…both strongly and significantly linked to Dorje Shugden! Something big is surely cooking up here and if we consider the timeliness of how each event take place, we can only conclude that this is the work of a wizard!
My fantasy would be: HH goes into retirement more apparently as He makes less in the public appearance. When the time is right, Ngari Rinpoche will come into the open as TDG (a.k.a Dorje Shugden) reincarnate and endorse Dorje Shugden practice once again as times and conditions have changed (based on the principal of impermanence, so that HH will not have to be made brutally “wrong”). Powerful Dorje Shugden practitioners like Trijang Rinpoche and Zong Rinpoche can openly join force and practice Dorje Shugden to sky-rocket this practice as mainstream Buddhadharma that is perfect for the 21st century spiritual practitioner.
May we dig up more information and make it known publicly through the ds website and forum as well as linking to FB, blogs etc. May this, in turn, create the cause for the ban to be lifted earlier and for Dorje Shugden’s practice to flourish with greater momentum and intensity.
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Thank you DS.com for this great research of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen’s line of incarnation. This revelation is extremely exciting. I believe in this life Ngari Rinpoche is on vacation as he has to keep on a low profile because of the ban by his own brother, the Dalai Lama. I am curious and wonder if Ngari Rinpoche will remain in this manner much longer when the ban is lifting. However, I do know that there is another incarnation of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, undoubtedly the mind incarnation, is actively and tirelessly promoting Dorje Shugden on a large scale as he definitely cannot be silenced! He is the incomparable incarnation. Time will reveal who HE is.
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I read from wikipedia that after the death of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen, there were orders to stop the search for His incarnation.
But you see, whether or not they stop the search doesn't matter because Tulku Drakpa will still reincarnate for the benefit of all sentient beings. Being in denial and ignorant really serves no purpose. They can stop the search but they cannot stop Him from coming back. That's for sure.
With a heart of compassion, Tulku Drakpa reincarnations will benefit countless of beings with or without official recognition. There are hearsay that Tulku Drakpa is here among us today with not only one emanation but a few or even more. Some even backed with evidence! Like the Dalai Lama's brother, Ngari Rinpoche.
I can't wait for the day when the ban is lifted, all the emanations of Tulku Drakpa will arise publicly to spread the Dharma. I really can't wait for that day to come. For that, I will play my role to help lift the ban...will you? ;)
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This is just quite unbelievable! I have posted a question like this before on other posts, I have always think that karmically HHDL and Dorje Shugden always seem inseparable. His Holiness and the famous Drakpas had always been very close whether it was in distance or connection. Many articles on the website mentioned countlessly how His Holiness connected closely to the Drakpas. And even Dorje Shugden.
As much as His Holiness would like to avoid talking about him now, and yet he is still talking about him. They are totally inseparable! By seeing this thread gives me a relief feeling, like WHAT??? What a MAJOR PLANNED COINCIDENCE???!!! His Holiness own brother is the incarnation of Tulku Drakpa Gyaltsen? Perfect answer. I guess we don't have to look further. So what now the CTA gotta say I wonder? Looks like the sun is rising on the right side. Too bad CTA not emanations of Chenrizeg.
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It is acknowledged in several places that Ngari Rinpoche is an incarnation of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen, though because the lineage of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen has been decimated and shall not be recognised as decreed by the 5th Dalai Lama, this incarnation is not publicly recognised.
It's funny though that the Dalai Lama would wish to stop this incarnation lineage, with Dharma legends like Sakya Pandita, Panchen Sonam Drakpa and Duldzin Drakpa Gyeltsen just to name a few. Just by not recognising an incarnation, it does not mean that the incarnation is killed off or does not return, but the incarnation simply returns in under another anonymous name. The incarnation will also show signs of attainments from a illustrious lineage.
I find it the supreme irony though that Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen should incarnate as the Dalai Lama's own brother! Apparently Samdhong Rinpoche, who was the previous Kalon Tripa, is also an incarnation of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. And how can there be more than one incarnation? Because the enlightened beings are not subject to human laws as we know them so I do believe that they can definitely have multiple incarnations simultaneously. Intriguing.
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Oh my gosh, the Dalai Lama's OWN BROTHER!!!! Does this mean that the Dalai Lama's brother cannot interact with the Dalai Lama? There are so many points that are contradicting here. How can His Holiness ban his brother's lineage?
Another thing is, if Dorje Shugden is a demon, the is no way he could be near a holy being.So, how can he reincarnate to be a being so close to one of the most holiest beings on Earth? I think the Tibetan government tried to cover this up as it would cause bad reputation to the CTA and bad reputation to His Holiness.
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This is really interesting! Well since Buddhism is about compassion and wisdom, it does make sense that Avalokiteshvara and Manjushri would be living under the same roof :D
Surely surely, HHDL's entourage would have been aware of this situation where HHDL is technically banning his brother, who would be considered the emanation of DS, since he is the reincarnation of Ngari Rinpoche / TDG. I'd like to think that HHDL had made a secret pact with Tenzin Choegyal, I just can't wait for the plot to unfold!
For those who wish to know more about Tenzin Choegyal, visit this -
[url]http://lobeliatoadfoot.hubpages.com/hub/Tenzin-Choegyal--the-Dalai-Lamas-Brother[/url] ([url]http://lobeliatoadfoot.hubpages.com/hub/Tenzin-Choegyal--the-Dalai-Lamas-Brother[/url])
This link leads to a really interesting article that reveals about Tenzin Choegyal's personality and his thoughts on various topics from the reincarnation identification system to vegetarianism to monastic system. He is a very humble person who downplays himself very much but it is very clear that he is highly attained based on the things he talks about and his . Some parts of the article which i thought was interesting:
“I’d like to ask you a personal question,” Etiel said.
“No personal questions!” Tenzin joked with a grin.
“Why didn’t you remain a monk?”
“I wasn’t up to the task. It was like wearing the skin of a tiger.”
I wonder what this means?
“When people are desperate, thoughts are going everywhere. Then I became interested in Buddhism and it helped. People who become depressed are undisciplined. We are meditating all the time, but not properly.”
“What if you were in that role [Rinpoche], and it was discovered you were bipolar?” someone asked.
“They’d know they made a mistake,” Tenzin replied. “We are all reincarnates from previous lives—identifying reincarnation, it only exists in Tibet, and I don’t know why—this continuity of the practice and to a particular lineage. In history, it became a problem. I personally don’t feel it’s a good idea.”
“Why?”
“Look at me…. There are many loopholes—it is not handled properly, a tulku [one who is identified as a reincarnate lama] becomes a symbol of earthly existence. When I talk like this, people think I’m a traitor.”
“Do you discuss this with your brother?”
“He accepts.”
Why did he refer to himself as a "loophole"?
Tenzin is highly critical of the Tibetan monastic system and explained that it’s intellectual understanding rather than practice. They do practice meditation and chanting, but that’s not the same thing as experiencing equanimity when mean people are attacking you. It’s much more challenging to practice when you’re not in a monastery. He said some people join the monastery because they get free food. Basically, there are some things he likes about Tibetan Buddhism (otherwise he wouldn’t be so into studying the dharma now), and other things he doesn’t like about Tibetan Buddhism. He would like practice to be more secular.
Personally i think this is not addressed to just the monastic system, it is applicable to any ordained and lay practitioner.
Tenzin said, “The Tibetan issue—it’s a small speck.” This has occurred to me often enough, like when I’ve donated to the International Campaign to Tibet, even though I don’t think that organization is half as important as the Global Fund for Women. “The Tibetan problem comes from carelessness, not caring, so what does it say?”
From what i read of the article, it appears that his stance seems to be the opposite of HHDL's? However because this article is a blog, I cannot be sure of the authenticity and validity of the information there. It would be REALLY interesting if whatever was quoted is true.
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The Department of Theology and Religious Studies at the University of San Francisco described Ngari Rinpoche as a leading political and religious figure, former military officer, reincarnated Rinpoche, and brother to the current Dalai Lama, Tenzin Choegyal is a man of many lives. His thinking on contemporary issues related to Tibet, China, religion, and the search for happiness is fresh, provocative, and guaranteed to stimulate further reflection.
In the recent issues of self-immolation of Tibetans in fighting for freedom of Tibet, Ngari Rinpoche shares his middle view:
"Our mission is ongoing appeal to Chinese government dialogue with Dalai Lama to achieve meaningful autonomy for all Tibetans and appeal to the UNO to crackdown human rights abuse, violations and produce level of freedom for Tibetans inside Tibet. For all Tibetans to maintain on this strategy, we must stay on nonviolent movement, none whatsoever in act of violence and such showing anger and frustration."
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The young Tenzin Choegyal, Ngari Rinpoche in Lhasa Tibet.
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Just another interesting thought about HHDL brother...
I cannot be sure but I read HHDL biography about his time in Tibet pre-59 exodus about 10 years ago...and wondered...
exact / quote by HHDL recalling the birth of his younger brother? Originally his Mother mis-carried but through the prayers of so many enlightened masters and others for an auspicious rebirth, the Mother HHDL Mother fell pregnant sometime later. I think through divination or something like that HHDL mentions that the mindstream of his younger brother (current incarnation Ngari Rinpoche) was the same as the previous younger brother that died.
I wondered why? when I read this fact stuck in my mind until now. I don't have the actual book now but if someone who has could check that would be great. I will track down another copy of this out of print book and re-read the relevant section / post for everyone. :D
I guess this raises the question that the 5th Dalai Lama and TDG have such a close relationship, irregardless of external appearances, time and situational karma.
Makes me think that if TDG is supposed to be a gyalpo why do special prayers for an auspicious rebirth and then make a comment that the mindstream are the same. That definitely runs counter to the misinformation about DS.
All is definitely not what it seems I think?
xo
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It is wonderful to see two Bodhisattvas are incarnated within the same family and benefiting so many sentient beings at the same time in this world. Even though there is a ban of Dorje Shugden, the younger brother of His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is an incarnation of Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen. What irony! His Holiness should understand what he is doing to the ban, it might cause trouble for his own younger brother. I hope this revelations will contribute to the speedy uplifting of the ban which we can help speed up by allowing people to know more about Dorje Shugden and make Dorje Shugden's name spread far and wide.
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I guess this raises the question that the 5th Dalai Lama and TDG have such a close relationship, irregardless of external appearances, time and situational karma.
Makes me think that if TDG is supposed to be a gyalpo why do special prayers for an auspicious rebirth and then make a comment that the mindstream are the same. That definitely runs counter to the misinformation about DS.
All is definitely not what it seems I think?
xo
From here it is pretty obvious that the Dalai Lama and Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen are actually very close to each other but in order to tame the minds of people, they had to manifest political intrigue. It would be extremely difficult to judge what would the Dalai Lama's thoughts would be or what his true motivations are, but one thing for sure is that you dont see the Dalai Lama degenerating as someone who broke their tantric commitments would. That does tell you a lot.