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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zach on January 12, 2012, 10:04:54 AM
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An amusing find from Phayul !
Hex working: whoever gets close to Dalai Lama doomed
08:24, January 06, 2012
http://chinatibet.pe (http://chinatibet.pe)...69/7697582.html
On the day when a boy named Lhamo Toinzhub was recognized as the 14th Dalai Lama, Tibetan Buddhist Guardian Neqoin foretold that he signaled a "bane", who would bring ill luck.
In recent years, there has been widely spread that the boy has a "spell", and anyone getting close to him will be doomed. What's more, a series of events have proved that the spell has worked. People who have met with the 14th Dalai Lama during the last two years have all got misfortunes. They either fell seriously ill, or went to jail, or even died from a violent death.
According to a report from Mongolia on Dec. 22, 2011, its so-called "religious leader","the 9th Jebtsundamba", who was brought up by the 14th Dalai Lama, suddenly suffered from cerebral hemorrhage and lost consciousness. This happened not long before "the 9th Jebtsundamba" had a close talk with the 14th Dalai Lama on Nov. 2, 2011. It was a pity that all the Mongolian Jebtsundambas had short lives among them, and "the 3rd Jebtsundamba" had the shortest life, who died of some unknown illness at the age of sixteen. "The 9th Jebtsundamba" was the only one, who had a comparatively longer life, but "the child of fortune" was suddenly dying after meeting with the Dalai Lama.
Could this only be a coincidence?
On Dec.10, 2011, former president Vaclav of the Czech Republic met with the Dalai Lama. The two had a "pleasant meeting" as the president described. Unluckily, just 10 days after the meeting, Vaclav died.
On the same day three years back, former president Lech Kaczynski of Poland met with the 14th Dalai Lama in Warsaw and congratulated him on his title of "honorary citizenship" of Wratislavia City of Poland.
While they were feeling complacent for their action, the plane of the former Polish president and his wife crashed in western Russia on April 10, 2010, killing all the 97 crew members on board. On that day, the Dalai Lama expressed brazenly his sorrow over the death of the president and his admiration for the late president's "dedication". I bet the Dalai Lama must feel too embarrassed to visit Poland again.
Likewise, another friend of the Dalai Lama also died from a plane crash. Arunachal Pradesh (in China's southern Tibet) Chief Minister Dorjee Khandu met with the Dalai Lama warmly in November, 2009 when the Dalai Lama dubbed himself the "son of India". It was so unexpected that just a year and a half later, Dorjee Khandu died. The helicopter he took disappeared in the jungle on its way to India's Itanagar from Tawang on May 5, 2011.
Maybe we could find such a rule. In the recent years, so many countries have rejected the Dalai Lama's visits. Some leaders who are afraid of mishaps avoided meeting him even if he arrived in their countries. So even an official of the "Tibetan government-in-exile" had to admit that the host country or organization will bear a big pressure to meet with the Dalai Lama himself than the "Tibetan government-in-exile".
And the most unlucky person must be Chen Shui-bian, former leader of China's Taiwan. Since 1997, the 14th Dalai Lama has visited Taiwan for three times. But all his visits had brought misfortune to Chen and his family. Some were hit in a serious car accident, some was shot, or even Chen himself went to jail! The Lama himself didn't show any of his sympathy, but hailed Chen's imprisonment.
The Dalai Lama has not only brought ill fortune to his friends, but also his own family. It is said that his father died not longer after he went to Tibet from Qinghai. On Feb.14, 2011, the Dalai Lama's nephew Jigme Norbu suddenly died from a car accident in the United States, a year after he showed his hope that his oldest nephew would make some contributions to his family during his visit to the US.
The Dalai Lama always claims that he can bring great fortune to people who symphonize or support him. In fact, all those most in favor of him have suffered from misfortunes one after another. In spite of these, he launched another "Great Prayer Festival" in the last few days. God knows how many lives will he claim again in this world.
It seems that it is not a fairy tale that whoever gets close to the 14th Dalai will be hexed, but it is an ongoing cast spell!
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Zach,
This is very amusing. Very interesting post and thank you for posting it. It 'lighten's the day at the office here at our place. I am confused though. Why would Phayul publish something like this which makes Dalai Lama look very bad? After all they support Dalai Lama very much and CTA. Is it a slip up from their side?
Mana
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Zach,
This is very amusing. Very interesting post and thank you for posting it. It 'lighten's the day at the office here at our place. I am confused though. Why would Phayul publish something like this which makes Dalai Lama look very bad? After all they support Dalai Lama very much and CTA. Is it a slip up from their side?
Mana
It was one of the "Chinese agents" LOL ;D
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It was one of the "Chinese agents" LOL ;D
Your very entertaining. Funny. Thanks. :)
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Very interesting article and observation by the "Chinese agents"... that's a lot of coincidental deaths of famous people there! Perhaps this curse only works on prominent and internationally renowned people / politicians, otherwise the Dalai Lama would not have any disciples left by now!
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Very interesting article and observation by the "Chinese agents"... that's a lot of coincidental deaths of famous people there! Perhaps this curse only works on prominent and internationally renowned people / politicians, otherwise the Dalai Lama would not have any disciples left by now!
Ha ha ha ha.... You took the words right out of my mouth... It is as though no one dies after meeting the Dalai Lama. It is like saying, The only "curse" we have is when we are born is we are most certainly to die and it is only a question of time, yet most of us find all the time in the world to elude this very truth and fact!
The article is actually quite funny... how desperately the writer takes the trouble to find these obscure facts of mishaps and deaths and links them to the meeting of HHDL. If that be the truth, OMB... I am cursed too, as some people I have met have also gone to their deaths... maybe not quite as tragic but they died nevertheless. I AM CURSED TOO!!!! LOL
Jokes aside, if meeting HHDL is the cause of my death, I would fold my hands and thank HHDL for his blessings. Imagine dying "at the hands of" Compassionate Chenrezig! I should be so lucky!
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Funny stuff Zach. That's for the share - had a good chuckle for the day.
Looks like these "chinese agents" are turning the story around. Doesn't this sound awfully familiar? Very much like the very same accusations made against Dorje Shugden practitioners? Sounds like another warped version of the yellow book, which gives "examples" of Dorje Shugden practitioners who died horrified deaths (apparently because DS extracts revenge on his practitioners).
In both cases, claims that either the DL or DS are vengeful, hateful, doomed beings who curse their followers to an untimely death are ridiculous. We believe both are enlightened beings - and why would an enlightened being "kill" any being? It is impossible and illogical.
And well... errrrrrr... do the people who make these claims forget that one very important factor, called karma? Doesn't that determine everything, especially the time and circumstances of our death / rebirth?
All jokes and chuckles aside, no claims like these would hold water if we understand the true workings of karma. If we don't believe in this, then we have denied the whole foundation and basis of Dharma and Buddhist teachings. How can we then even say we are Buddhist?
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What about Desmond Tutu he is well and kicking in South Africa :), hmm could HHDL be meeting much more religious leaders from other traditions as part of the conspiracy to destroy them also? Could we blame the annihilation of the Sakyas on Buddha Shakyamuni? if the 'Chinese agents' stretch this further they could make a movie similar to the Japanese cult movie 'Death Note'.
No i think the Dalai Lama by meeting them would have blessed them for the last time. A lot of the Gelugpa high lamas was around the Dalai Lama lived very long lives, so no basis for this claim.
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LoL! If he is so cursed, he must have killed hundreds of thousands of people by now. His Holiness meets hundreds of thousands a year. What about those people? This is indeed absurd and very funny!
It reeks of Chinese propaganda to put down the Dalai Lama. It is so ridiculous, it is actually quite funny. They should have just stuck to the disharmony and unfair treatment of the Tibetans with the ban on Dorje Shugden. That would have been a more plausible accusation.
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Whoever that wrote that article is very malicious. Very simple explanation, or rather no need explanation, it is purely statistic.
HH the Dalai Lama meets hundred or thousands people a day, of course from pure statistics, some of the people will die/sick/have mishaps! What's so abnormal about that?
It is abnormal to the author because he probably is a nerd that sits in his room whole day stuck to his computer and sucking his thumb and have his mama doing his laundry, so the only thing that ever died in his life is his braincell.
It is in fact a great honor to meet the Dalai Lama before a person's death, the Dalai Lama has imprinted a positive Dharma seed in that person so that he will take a good rebirth, if not his death will really be pointless, why cant people think in this way???
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Namdrol/Mana, what do you mean 'it is purely statistic'?
Not sure I understand your point....
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Do you mean that many who see him will die of various causes...regardless of if they see him or not?
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I have also heard of stories that HHDL heals people from their sickness. How to explain then? At the end of the day, it all depends on the Karma.
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Thank you, Zach, for this entertaining news by the Chinese agents. After reading the news, it seems that only top leaders, politician, prominent and famous people are doomed. Why is it that HHDL students, disciples, sponsors or any other people that HHDL meet are not doomed?
“Likewise, another friend of the Dalai Lama also died from a plane crash. Arunachal Pradesh (in China's southern Tibet) Chief Minister Dorjee Khandu met with the Dalai Lama warmly in November, 2009 when the Dalai Lama dubbed himself the "son of India". It was so unexpected that just a year and a half later, Dorjee Khandu died.”
What has HHDL go to do with his death? He died a year and a half later. Is it the fault of HHDL or his own karma ripening?
I won’t mind dying if I have to merits to meet HHDL and received his blessings before I dropped died in front of him and not year and a half later.
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Zach, thanks for the entertaining post!
Would be interesting to see how long the post remains on Phayul. haha..
It's pretty amazing for anyone living in the 21st century to embrace such warped view and supports the accusations. Well, I do appreciate reading and being reminded of the many influential people HHDL came in contact with. Forget about the ban for a moment. Just think if anyone of us can make such an impact on others and bring the Dharma to so many like HHDL?
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Losang Tenpa, what I mean by statistics is, the more people you meet, of course there will be more things you heard about them from day to day!
Example, if you only know 10 people, then most likely you will hear of one death in them in 10 years, but if you know 1 million people, of course you will hear of deaths among these 1 million people every single day!
So in this case, the whole situation is twisted to say that people who met the Dalai Lama will die/have mishaps soon after that, this is pure nonsense.
That's why I said, the person who wrote that malicious article most likely is a nerd who knows nobody other than his mother, that's why he could not comprehend why some people who met the Dalai Lama die/have mishap after the meeting, because he only have 1 person in his life, while the Dalai Lama has millions.
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Losang Tenpa, what I mean by statistics is, the more people you meet, of course there will be more things you heard about them from day to day!
Example, if you only know 10 people, then most likely you will hear of one death in them in 10 years, but if you know 1 million people, of course you will hear of deaths among these 1 million people every single day!
So in this case, the whole situation is twisted to say that people who met the Dalai Lama will die/have mishaps soon after that, this is pure nonsense.
That's why I said, the person who wrote that malicious article most likely is a nerd who knows nobody other than his mother, that's why he could not comprehend why some people who met the Dalai Lama die/have mishap after the meeting, because he only have 1 person in his life, while the Dalai Lama has millions.
Haha I do find it a bit odd that someone would say this because it sounds like Chinese propaganda, preying on the ignorance and fear of others. Come on! We're in the 21st century! we dont have to believe in curses and the like! There is just no logic behind any of these claims and there is no need to make any of these because it only shows how backwards and how low the person who utters this statement is. It is time that we become more mature and skilful with our words and actions to not misrepresent Dorje Shugden and our Lamas. this is important as people who are not affected by the Dorje Shugden ban will observe these points before deciding if Dorje Shugden is beneficial or not.
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Thank you Zach for this interesting post.
I think the Chinese agents are just using this point to make the Dalai Lama look bad, causing some schism in the Buddhist community. Feeding on the fear of people towards death.
Even if people really die after meeting the Dalai Lama, it is just their karma. At least they got the merits to be blessed before passing as well.
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Thank you Zach for this interesting post.
I think the Chinese agents are just using this point to make the Dalai Lama look bad, causing some schism in the Buddhist community. Feeding on the fear of people towards death.
Even if people really die after meeting the Dalai Lama, it is just their karma. At least they got the merits to be blessed before passing as well.
There are people who die everyday after meeting someone or something, so does it mean that the person/thing is cursed? Many people die on the highway and animals too, does it mean it is cursed? Logically in any way there isnt any way that this can be true or associated with the Dalai Lama, only someone who really wanted to smear the Dalai Lama's reputation and they do not have any other intentions other than that. I dont believe it at all and it does sound really ridiculous, almost like the accusations that Dorje Shugden causes the deaths of his practitioners.
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Oh dear. The sheer number of people that the Dalai Lama see every day is staggering. Of course, there would be people experiencing all these misfortunes. I think that it is quite unfair to pin onto a curse by the Dalai Lama and instead point to the fact that these people are so lucky to be able to meet the Dalai Lama for a blessing before their misfortune.
Nonetheless, the only way to deal with this is to laugh and move on. No need to be disturbed as the Dalai Lama will always have their detractors. Look, if the Buddha had his Devadatta, I am sure the Dalai Lama will have his detractors as well. It takes merits for one to see the Dalai Lama for his special qualities. Hence, there would always be people who would view the Dalai Lama in a narrow way.
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Oh dear. The sheer number of people that the Dalai Lama see every day is staggering. Of course, there would be people experiencing all these misfortunes. I think that it is quite unfair to pin onto a curse by the Dalai Lama and instead point to the fact that these people are so lucky to be able to meet the Dalai Lama for a blessing before their misfortune.
Nonetheless, the only way to deal with this is to laugh and move on. No need to be disturbed as the Dalai Lama will always have their detractors. Look, if the Buddha had his Devadatta, I am sure the Dalai Lama will have his detractors as well. It takes merits for one to see the Dalai Lama for his special qualities. Hence, there would always be people who would view the Dalai Lama in a narrow way.
it's not really just unfair, but downright ridiculous that this is being pinpointed on the Dalai Lama as it makes no sense at all in the first place. One thing tho, it shows how ignorant people can be and how ridiculous things can become. There are many other such articles about the Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism as well and also on how the Dalai Lama and the Lamas use black magic to murder the leaders of China and how tantra is all about sex. If we believe in this, we might as well believe in those! And dont forget how some Buddhist scholars try to write off Tantra as a hindu influence.
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This is a laugh out loud article. You cannot bring someone to court without any established fact. These people who have passed away would have meet so many others in the period between they meet Dalai Lama. What about others whom he or she met? Wouldn't others who might harm him? The cause of death for example from plane crash also means other have die as well in that plane. What about those people on the same plane? Is it because he has to die therefore everyone on the plane has to go along. This is totally absurd and you cannot even bring this kind of argument to a court. Therefore it is without logic, a makeup, and nonsensical.
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This is a laugh out loud article. You cannot bring someone to court without any established fact. These people who have passed away would have meet so many others in the period between they meet Dalai Lama. What about others whom he or she met? Wouldn't others who might harm him? The cause of death for example from plane crash also means other have die as well in that plane. What about those people on the same plane? Is it because he has to die therefore everyone on the plane has to go along. This is totally absurd and you cannot even bring this kind of argument to a court. Therefore it is without logic, a makeup, and nonsensical.
But unfortunately, despite this there are people who would still believe in these silly stories even when there is no logic at all behind them because many people these days want the easy way out - to believe in something without doing research or investigating their credibility. So we still need to find a way to be able to explain to them and counter them and make them realize that what they believe is false. It's not really about what we think about the article, but about how we can clear up the misunderstandings that this article can bring upon.
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The more I read about this the more I think it is super ridiculous. Why not just blame the thousands of deaths all over the world on Dalai Lama, saying something like because they looked at Dalai Lama's picture that is why they died.
For the people that are alive compared to the people that died after seeing the Dalai Lama, the ratio for the alive and kicking people is definitely higher then the decreased.
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The more I read about this the more I think it is super ridiculous. Why not just blame the thousands of deaths all over the world on Dalai Lama, saying something like because they looked at Dalai Lama's picture that is why they died.
For the people that are alive compared to the people that died after seeing the Dalai Lama, the ratio for the alive and kicking people is definitely higher then the decreased.
Well, sometimes people will make up anything just because they think it is right. This goes with Dorje Shugden haters who post lies and ridiculous stories against not only Dorje Shugden but also on lineage lamas such as Pabongkha Rinpoche and Trijang Rinpoche. Some of these are supposedly celebrated scholars in their fields, such as Robert Thurman and David Kay and George Dreyfus but they write such drivel against Dorje Shugden and its masters that I find it close to unforgivable. It is sad that people can get away with anything these days.
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It is just sad to see how degenerated we are. Proclaiming facts about lineage Lamas or even Buddhas, defaming them. Saying things that they should never have said. But we humans are doing it due to the lack of knowledge and our negative karma.
Hopefully that these people would wake up soon to see what they are really writing and if it makes any sense to them at all.
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It is just sad to see how degenerated we are. Proclaiming facts about lineage Lamas or even Buddhas, defaming them. Saying things that they should never have said. But we humans are doing it due to the lack of knowledge and our negative karma.
Hopefully that these people would wake up soon to see what they are really writing and if it makes any sense to them at all.
Yes, it is sad indeed that even so called scholars who are supposed to be very knowledgable in their field is tainted by the stain of prejudice and biasness, where all their articles are carefully crafted to portray the Dalai Lama in a positive light and even attempt to degrade the lineage Lamas. This article is a complete opposite of those articles, probably existing as the polar opposite due to the karma generated from those articles that I have mentioned earlier. In any case, it only means that we have to work hard to dispel such misunderstandings.
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I guess the only way to stop all ridiculous speculation about either lineage lamas or the Dalai Lama is just to educate these people. Educating them in a neutral and non-biased manner. It is not really their faults for being geared in such manner. It is probably because of the environment that they are in, hearing all sorts of nonsense and speculations. Hence, I would think that to stop all nonsense that these speculators are saying is just to educate them, getting rid of the negative thoughts that they may have with the new knowledge that is being given to them.
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I guess the only way to stop all ridiculous speculation about either lineage lamas or the Dalai Lama is just to educate these people. Educating them in a neutral and non-biased manner. It is not really their faults for being geared in such manner. It is probably because of the environment that they are in, hearing all sorts of nonsense and speculations. Hence, I would think that to stop all nonsense that these speculators are saying is just to educate them, getting rid of the negative thoughts that they may have with the new knowledge that is being given to them.
Well, those people were conned into believing what they did anyway and it is not entirely their fault. The fault lies squarely at some scholars who wish to push their own agenda onto the throats of others and to score more points with the Dalai Lama by misleading people about Dorje Shugden and even the Lineage Lamas to undermine them. What they dont realize what they are doing is that they are creating a lot of heavy negative karma, and it wont be long before it ripens...
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Well, those people were conned into believing what they did anyway and it is not entirely their fault. The fault lies squarely at some scholars who wish to push their own agenda onto the throats of others and to score more points with the Dalai Lama by misleading people about Dorje Shugden and even the Lineage Lamas to undermine them. What they dont realize what they are doing is that they are creating a lot of heavy negative karma, and it wont be long before it ripens...
Yes, that is why we have to educate the less educated with the true and factual information. Nothing biased towards any side, Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden. The Tibetans have the right to choose what the believe is correct. Hence with the neutral articles and facts, they will be able to make these decisions themselves without any influences.
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Yes, that is why we have to educate the less educated with the true and factual information. Nothing biased towards any side, Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden. The Tibetans have the right to choose what the believe is correct. Hence with the neutral articles and facts, they will be able to make these decisions themselves without any influences.
I would say that the discussions and the articles on this website are more biased towards Dorje Shugden rather than being neutral, but it is not on a fanatical spectrum of things, but just stating on things based on historical facts and the Dharma and going about those few things as opposed to going to the extremes of going against the Dalai Lama or going against Dorje Shugden and i find this neutrality something precious and rare amongst todays world of propaganda, lies and distorted truths.
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I would say that the discussions and the articles on this website are more biased towards Dorje Shugden rather than being neutral, but it is not on a fanatical spectrum of things, but just stating on things based on historical facts and the Dharma and going about those few things as opposed to going to the extremes of going against the Dalai Lama or going against Dorje Shugden and i find this neutrality something precious and rare amongst todays world of propaganda, lies and distorted truths.
Although it is rare, but with the factual information that is available, they would be able to make the judgement themselves. It is not that by educating them with biases is not good, but the thing is that if the readers believe whatever that they read, they will be very easily influenced in ways that the writer want them to. This does not help in any situation at all. Reason being that the readers would sooner or later not be able to differentiate what is true, and what is false. This phenomena is getting more and more common whereby issues are being all jumbled up together.
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Although it is rare, but with the factual information that is available, they would be able to make the judgement themselves. It is not that by educating them with biases is not good, but the thing is that if the readers believe whatever that they read, they will be very easily influenced in ways that the writer want them to. This does not help in any situation at all. Reason being that the readers would sooner or later not be able to differentiate what is true, and what is false. This phenomena is getting more and more common whereby issues are being all jumbled up together.
Factual information is always important as it does give people a chance to make a decision and a choice. People will be able to tell if something is biased or not just by reading and thinking about it. It is not that hard at all as most people can do this easily, but they will always choose to believe the story that appeals to them the most as opposed to the truth. This is basic human nature. But it does not mean that is a right and wrong in everything either as people are entitled to believe what they want after all.
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Factual information is always important as it does give people a chance to make a decision and a choice. People will be able to tell if something is biased or not just by reading and thinking about it. It is not that hard at all as most people can do this easily, but they will always choose to believe the story that appeals to them the most as opposed to the truth. This is basic human nature. But it does not mean that is a right and wrong in everything either as people are entitled to believe what they want after all.
I believe that by having ready information online, it would allow people to be able to find information that would educate them in ways that would help them in ways to educate them. Like one of the websites that I think gives a neutral stand would be DorjeShugden.com . It provides knowledge that would let us judge accordingly to how we would like, not influencing us in anyway.
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This is a funny article with opinions that can be either confusing or comforting or scary.
It is not an easy task these days to meet the Dalai Lama and if there is a belief as stated in this article that people die after meeting the Dalai Lama is pretty far fetched.
Being a Varjayana Buddhist believing in incarnation and emanation of attained and enlightened beings, I think if one dies after close contact with the emanation of Chenrizig, the Dalai Lama, should be a blessing and not a curse.
But yet would you like to take the risk to meet him? Hmmmmmmm