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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: DharmaDefender on December 11, 2011, 07:13:45 PM
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Hey anyone know what happend to Phayul? Ive been trying to access the thread for the last week but keep getting the message below...another esangha case?
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Yup it appears to be hacked :)
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Dear me.. i just checked on the phayul forum and the last post was on 5 December and when I clicked onto a thread, it had an error message. Sounds like karma to me... i shall try very hard not to rejoice.
Actually I am just being facetious. There are only a few anti-Shugden people so I shouldn't discriminate against them. Then I will be the same as them. Hope their forum gets fixed soon. Since their forum is down, I am sure a few of them are haunting this forum.
**waves hello to Moose who comes here often** Do come in, sit down, browse around, learn something and have a cuppa tea!
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I thought if the site was hacked the hacker will make it known it was his work, you probably see a lot of graphic with skulls all over the site ?
Looks moe like some files got corrupted perhaps.
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Dear me.. i just checked on the phayul forum and the last post was on 5 December and when I clicked onto a thread, it had an error message. Sounds like karma to me... i shall try very hard not to rejoice.
Actually I am just being facetious. There are only a few anti-Shugden people so I shouldn't discriminate against them. Then I will be the same as them. Hope their forum gets fixed soon. Since their forum is down, I am sure a few of them are haunting this forum.
**waves hello to Moose who comes here often** Do come in, sit down, browse around, learn something and have a cuppa tea!
Hahah! You do have a sense of humour Wisdom Being. You must be right about karma coming back to them though. They are not the only one that suffered online attacks. I don't know if you knew about the e-Sangha forum that used to spread vicious sentiment, was also attacked. I don't think it is a coincidence as both were platforms to spread ugly and vicious sentiment. I will try very hard not to rejoice as well. Haha!
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I thought if the site was hacked the hacker will make it known it was his work, you probably see a lot of graphic with skulls all over the site ?
Looks moe like some files got corrupted perhaps.
Hahaha DS, skulls all over? Too many geek sci-fi flicks? From what I can remember, nothing like that was done to esangha. For all you know, the hackers motivation was to bring down something spreading false information about Dorje Shugden, and it was not to publicise themselves. Just drawing links bhere because thats what I heard happened to esangha - someone got POd the forum was not presenting a positive, true image of Buddhism because of selective moderation, so they took it down.
Or maybe the Phayul admin messed up during a maintenance round, and cant find the error to fix it ;D
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The site is still down, and the last posts were on 5 December. I hope they resolve it soon otherwise the poor anti-Shugden people won't have anywhere to air their grievances. Actually by airing all their anti-Shugden rhetoric, they are inadvertently publicising Dorje Shugden! Everything that is controversial automatically draws attention because human nature is just curious like that.
People will want to find out more about the controversy and this will plant Dharma seeds for them in the future, whether they take on Dorje Shugden practice or not. This is because, as everyone knows by now, Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being - the Buddha Manjushri.
So let's all hope Phayul is resurrected soon!
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The site is still down, and the last posts were on 5 December. I hope they resolve it soon otherwise the poor anti-Shugden people won't have anywhere to air their grievances. Actually by airing all their anti-Shugden rhetoric, they are inadvertently publicising Dorje Shugden! Everything that is controversial automatically draws attention because human nature is just curious like that.
People will want to find out more about the controversy and this will plant Dharma seeds for them in the future, whether they take on Dorje Shugden practice or not. This is because, as everyone knows by now, Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being - the Buddha Manjushri.
So let's all hope Phayul is resurrected soon!
Dear WB,
You have a wonderful perspective to this. I like your angle and agree with you also. I hope they come back up again. They have nowhere else to air their fallacious anti-Shugden grievances.
Mana
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Still down...
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Well the fact that they use childish rhetoric to put down Dorje Shudgen and the people associated to it, and they like to flame the people who go there I am sure many people would have been turned off by personal attacks and not a discussion of the points.
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I tried to put forward another perspective when i first joined phayul years ago but the anti-Shugden stalwarts (all two of them) would just decimate me with personal attacks so i stopped trying to interact with them on a mature level. Nowadays, I just pop in now and then to see what's the latest discussion.
Like I said though - the more they attack Shugden and the cult website as they call this site, the more people will wonder what the fuss is about and come and find out for themselves! So they are inadvertently doing Dorje Shugden a favour with free publicity. Didn't someone say that what's worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about!
I've noticed that often when there's a lot of views on a Shugden thread on Phayul, there's a corresponding spike in viewership here. So I do hope they don't stop over there. The more they post, the better for us!
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I tried to put forward another perspective when i first joined phayul years ago but the anti-Shugden stalwarts (all two of them) would just decimate me with personal attacks so i stopped trying to interact with them on a mature level. Nowadays, I just pop in now and then to see what's the latest discussion.
Like I said though - the more they attack Shugden and the cult website as they call this site, the more people will wonder what the fuss is about and come and find out for themselves! So they are inadvertently doing Dorje Shugden a favour with free publicity. Didn't someone say that what's worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about!
I've noticed that often when there's a lot of views on a Shugden thread on Phayul, there's a corresponding spike in viewership here. So I do hope they don't stop over there. The more they post, the better for us!
I agree with your perspective and observation re the spike in views! I hope Phayul comes back on.
Anyway, Phayul visitors, you are always welcomed to browse and read on this site :)
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I tried to put forward another perspective when i first joined phayul years ago but the anti-Shugden stalwarts (all two of them) would just decimate me with personal attacks so i stopped trying to interact with them on a mature level. Nowadays, I just pop in now and then to see what's the latest discussion.
Like I said though - the more they attack Shugden and the cult website as they call this site, the more people will wonder what the fuss is about and come and find out for themselves! So they are inadvertently doing Dorje Shugden a favour with free publicity. Didn't someone say that what's worse than being talked about is NOT being talked about!
I've noticed that often when there's a lot of views on a Shugden thread on Phayul, there's a corresponding spike in viewership here. So I do hope they don't stop over there. The more they post, the better for us!
Kate, my experience on Phayul is the same. I also found that even though I was merely sharing my thoughts on general Buddhist topics, there are some on Phayul who have labeled me a Shugdenite, and attack me everytime I post something. It was getting to the point where a decent conversation was impossible, and I left Phayul shortly after.
Well, thanks to the combined efforts of Moose and others, many people on Phayul are hearing about Dorje Shugden without even looking for it. Looks like Moose is treading the path of the Dalai Lama, publicising Dorje Shugden wherever he goes... haha.
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It's been more than 10 days and the Phayul forum is still down. There's not even a sign up which tells visitors what's going on - whether they are renovating the site or they are having technical difficulties. I guess nobody is really bothered. Perhaps they're on a Christmas break!
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Or perhaps theyre too busy watching the Serpom opening because its so interesting that Shugdenites are growing, and anti-Shugdenites remain stagnant because theyre too busy on the online forums accusing everyone of taking Communist money hahahaha
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Rejoice! Phayul is back in business! Glad they managed to iron out whatever issues they had...
Phayul is one of the platforms that Tibetans can present themselves to the world. Of course some Tibetans will say they don't care what others think of them and it's a place for them to be themselves. Unfortunately, no man is an island and everyone is interdependent.
How Tibetans present themselves - progressive, archaic, pedantic, open-minded etc - will be how the world sees them. Perhaps it's time that Tibet is seen to be larger than the individuals and while i don't doubt that they are passionate about being Tibetan, they could police themselves and ensure that Tibetans as a whole are seen in a more positive light - one of the ways could be that they stop condemning the religious practices of others and respecting others' beliefs. Fine if you don't believe in something others believe in, just don't condemn. It makes you look very small minded and prejudiced. Please represent Tibet better and embody the true Buddhist principles of inclusiveness and open-mindedness.
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Didn't mean to be rude, i was not a regular forum goer let alone Buddhist website. I have checked out Phayul a couple of times but I didn't find it informative nor educational. It acted like a forum of gossips and bringing other's flags down then to educate, interact and practice. I am not surprise that it was down before as i thought there must be haters out there or else just plain bad luck to be hacked. Whatever it is, Phayul exists or not it is not important. If i were to compare this website to Phayul? Phew, at least this website made me come back to learn more... :)
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Phayul is back up again and i find that they are filled with rude and not so intelligent people. Sorry to say that they dont have much substantial discussions there and most of them are arguments rather than actual discussions. And the moose guy is very annoying in more ways than one as he is obviously a westerner who thinks he is a tibetan in his previous life and makes empty spiteful and misleading comments against a plethora of issues. I went in there a few times and saw a lot of childish arguments and i just didint felt like being there anymore.
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Phayul forum is up again!
Personally I felt Buddhism forum should behave and represent Buddhism well, and should not put down others to promote itself.
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Phayul.com used to have a Forum (http://forum.phayul.com (http://forum.phayul.com)), but were shut down down because of some technical issues (so as I read). Today I went in there again and found that the forum URL has been changed to http://forums2.phayul.com (http://forums2.phayul.com), but when I click on it, it is still having problem.. hmm... ::)