If one felt disappointment look inside, is it ego such as winning/losing or true concern solving a problem? ... So, what we need to still do is show clearly how the Dalai Lama's case against Shugden is not in good judgement, it is not to counter sectarianism, etc.
This Court does not consider it appropriate to express any view on these issues. These do not partake of any public law character and therefore are not justiciable in proceedings under Article 226 of the Constitution. Matters of religion and the differences among groups concerning propitiation of religion, cannot be adjudicated upon by a High Court in exercise of its writ jurisdiction.
"It is too late for the court cases. It does not look like they are going to win.
If the case was done many years ago when Ven Geshe Kelsang Gyatso first suggested, it would have bore results."
TK
I'm sorry, I do not feel in any way qualified to help. I was going through the earlier posts and came across this comment from tk. It is just a thought, but have you considered consulting your gurus who are omniscient, or Dorje Shugden himself through an oracle? Have you asked them for advice? I feel that this legal action is too important not to have some divine help. I'm sorry if I have offended anyone but personally, I would have resorted to at least asking my guru or Dorje Shugden. They would give the same answer anyway.
This I have said and repeated, it's just an opinion but so far it's proved right.
There are juridical reasons that are the basis for the Court rejection of the case (and this demands a serious reviewing of the lawyers and their lack of knowledge). They erroneously presented the case as a religious matter instead of presenting it as a human rights matter.
Nevertheless I maintain that even with perfect lawyers there are endless matters of procedure that the judges are going to resort to in order not to be forced to condemn a character –the Dalai Lama– that was Nehru´s protegé and Indira Gandhi´s friend.
India has great respect for its own historic leaders and the Courts are going to do their best to protect their honor. In this context, to condemn the Dalai Lama is tantamount to declare that Nehru and Gandhi were wrong .Quotenot to mention much of the international community - political and non-political, those who respect the nobel prize award, etc.
Of course the Protector is protecting the actions that we undertake to protect the monks, the general people and the lineage. But this is not a guarantee that everything we are doing is correct. With oracle consultation or without oracle consultation the margin for human error is big.
We should wonder why the Protector allows “errors” from our side. The Wisdom Buddha can utterly inspire our minds and guide them in a perfect, unmistaken course of action. Pondering this, one might conclude that that is exactly what he is doing, and even our errors in the mundain level are correct in the end. Why? Because the Protector is a Buddha, he is not the Dalai Lama´s enemy, he is nobody´s enemy. He loves and protects every being as the only child.
Because he protects every being as the only child it might be the case that he will not allow an utter destruction of the Dalai Lama´s reputation. There is a level of beings –how many they are we don´t know– that is having some benefit form the icon of the Dalai Lama. Mostly among non Buddhists who don´t know anything about samaya and such, he is a symbol of goodness, he might be the only ray of hope that they have in the human race. Not to mention that he might be the only hope in the minds of many Tibetans, whether we like it or not. Many people have abstained from denouncing the Dalai Lama because of this. It took me the last persecution, let´s call it the Winter Retreat persecution, to force me for instance out of my silence, to force even Beggar out of his silence.
Now I think to understand that our actions should be limited to only partially render the Dalai Lama impotent. In the field of human rights he needs to fear our actions, he needs to fear for his reputation, this is allowing for the monks to have their separate monasteries instead of being swept out of India. In the field of history his version of things, his defamation of our holy Lamas, his attempt at destroying the lineage has to be defeated. So we have to continue destroying his lies, the manipulation of history that he inspired in his academic followers ... go go go, Trinley Kelsang!!!
But we should not have the obsession of utterly destroying him. I have faith that the Protector is going to allow the exact amount of destruction needed (for the protection of Sangha and people, and for the protection of the lineage for the future) and he is going to allow the exact amount of immunity (in order to protect the minds of those who have the Dalai Lama, and only him, as an icon of goodness or the symbol of hope).QuoteI agree with you on the above - Dorje Shugden is a Buddha and the court case result must have been what Dorje Shugden wanted. As you said, if Dorje Shugden wanted a different outcome, he would have effected it. Since he didn't, Dorje Shugden must have other plans.
This is a very rough rendering of things that are so difficult and far reaching in consequences. I trust the Protector and hope that whatever we are doing is part of HIS actions.QuoteI trust the Protector too and I trust that everything will turn out according to HIS wishes.[/color]
Of course the Dalai Lama has played his political cards very well - divide and conquer. Most Gelug lamas are now in bed with the Dalai Lama, so perhaps there are consequences of completely spoiling his reputation, as it could "take the whole ship down". But for some of us it appears the ship is already in peril and mutiny is the only solution.
I was sitting doing Ganden Lhagyama the other day and just became filled with a calm assurance that things were going to be ok.
... I was interested in something Trinley Kalsang said about reasoning not working. He's right - in itself reason is not enough. Neither's protesting. What we need is oodles of merit, lots of purification, lashings of blessings & then we just do what we can according to the guidance of our Spiritual Guide.
... When I say 'things'll be ok' I don't mean we'll see the perfect result we all want. It's samsara & things'll be pants in many, many ways. What I mean is - the DL won't put an end to Dorje Shugden practice - it'll survive & go on to help many many people.
... then we'll succeed in preserving the tradition until... It goes 'kapoot' and disappears into another universe. Who knows when that'll be, but I don't think just yet. Even when it does, we'll follow it there, get enlightened & use the karmic connections & potentials we're creating now by working for our Protector to drag them all out of samsara.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=714.15
Friends, I did a small analysis of the National Court´s decision refusing to accept jurisdiction in the case presented to them by the Dorje Shugden Charitable Society. The black letters are from the Court´s decision.
1) Two important statements against the Dalai Lama:
Indian government does not recognize the so-called Tibetan government in exile. It is further stated that worshippers of Dorje Shugden have a right to freedom of religion as enshrined under Article 25 of the Constitution.
2) A reason of location for denying jurisdiction:
The government of India pointed out that this court has no territorial jurisdiction over a dispute. As they are located in Dharamshala, the state government is to investigate the allegations against the Dalai Lama and Tibetan government in exile.
3) Two reasons against the actions of the Society and the other complainers: they didn´t do what they should´ve done in terms of following the normal hierarchy of authorities, the Police coming first:
-there is no mention of any complaint having been made to the police by Petitioners regarding such attacks, which have not been acted upon by the police authorities.
-Apart from this averment being vague, it appears that no formal complaint was lodged by the members of Petitioner No.1 Society in relation to such instance with the police in Karnataka. There is no question of any interference on the basis of such vague averments particularly when the criminal law remedy available to the Petitioners has not been availed of by them.
4) A reason of pure jusridiction that the lawyers didn´t take into account: the Court does not look into matters of religion. (Obviously, they do in matters of civil rights, but the lawyers didn´t take this path apparently).
Matters of religion and the differences among groups concerning propitiation of religion, cannot be adjudicated upon by a High Court in exercise of its writ jurisdiction.
5) A warning to the Dalai Lama and the so called Tibetan Government in Exile:
It is however clarified that the dismissal of this petition will not preclude any individual member or members of the Petitioner No.1 Society to seek appropriate remedies as may be available to them in law before the appropriate forum.