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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rowntree on July 29, 2018, 02:19:32 PM
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This is a rare and interesting video about the Australian supporter who works for the wellbeing of the Gyuto Tantric Monastery monks. She and her medical team had the opportunity to met with Dorje Yudronma who took trance on her late official oracle. https://youtu.be/Z1a6iZcQLEg?t=17m56s
Dorje Yudroma is a gentle goddess riding on a horse. She is white in color and takes trance quite easily in this oracle who lived in Dharamsala. For people to have an audience with Dorje Yudroma, they have to bring milk and yogurt. Through the oracle, she takes 7 sips of the milk when she first arrives and recites a host of prayers before those in presence can consult her. It is an honor to offer her the milk to gather affinity with her.
Dorje Yudroma is one of the main protectors of the Gelug Gyuto Tantric Monastery in Dharamsala. The monastery has relied on her for hundreds of years since they were in Tibet. The monks often ask the oracle to take trance in order to consult Yudroma through her.
In the video, we can see that she was pleased because people are helping Gyuto Monastery, her dominion. Maybe in her own mystical ways, she brought the Australian sponsors to help in the first place. She is also the protector of Gungru khangtsen in Drepung Gomang monastery in South India.
I found an interesting comment left below the Youtube video. Thought I paste it here for your easy reference. Please take some time to read and understand how much the CTA has failed the Tibetans and their supporters around the world:
It is sad that the Dalai Lama's office which receives tens of millions in donations as well as the Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala (Central Tibetan Administration-CTA) does nothing to help these monks. Does not set up facilities, or watch their welfare directly. It is sad that foreigners have to come to give money, set up clinics, instruct how to take medication and so on. How come the Tibetan doctors don't do this. Why doesn't CTA or Dalai Lama's office build this. They have been 'refugees' for 60 years and still they fail to do this. They are not NEW refugees. They are labelling themselves refugees to pull at the heart strings of gullible foreigners to extract money to continue to build their golden temples. Their temples and gold images are so grand, but no money to take care of their health? Sad. It shows the corruption in the Tibetan leadership which is whispered among the Tibetans in Dharamsala and India in hushed tones. Thousands of exiled Tibetans are immigrating to the west to get away from their corrupt leadership in form of CTA and Dalai Lama's office in Dharamsala.
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This is a picture of the actual thangka that belonged to the oracle in the video. Permission was granted before the picture was taken. The Yudroma thangka was hanging in the room where the oracle took trance in her house.
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This is a rare and interesting video about the Australian supporter who works for the wellbeing of the Gyuto Tantric Monastery monks. She and her medical team had the opportunity to met with Dorje Yudronma who took trance on her late official oracle. https://youtu.be/Z1a6iZcQLEg?t=17m56s
Dorje Yudroma is a gentle goddess riding on a horse. She is white in color and takes trance quite easily in this oracle who lived in Dharamsala. For people to have an audience with Dorje Yudroma, they have to bring milk and yogurt. Through the oracle, she takes 7 sips of the milk when she first arrives and recites a host of prayers before those in presence can consult her. It is an honor to offer her the milk to gather affinity with her.
Dorje Yudroma is one of the main protectors of the Gelug Gyuto Tantric Monastery in Dharamsala. The monastery has relied on her for hundreds of years since they were in Tibet. The monks often ask the oracle to take trance in order to consult Yudroma through her.
In the video, we can see that she was pleased because people are helping Gyuto Monastery, her dominion. Maybe in her own mystical ways, she brought the Australian sponsors to help in the first place. She is also the protector of Gungru khangtsen in Drepung Gomang monastery in South India.
I found an interesting comment left below the Youtube video. Thought I paste it here for your easy reference. Please take some time to read and understand how much the CTA has failed the Tibetans and their supporters around the world:
It is sad that the Dalai Lama's office which receives tens of millions in donations as well as the Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala (Central Tibetan Administration-CTA) does nothing to help these monks. Does not set up facilities, or watch their welfare directly. It is sad that foreigners have to come to give money, set up clinics, instruct how to take medication and so on. How come the Tibetan doctors don't do this. Why doesn't CTA or Dalai Lama's office build this. They have been 'refugees' for 60 years and still they fail to do this. They are not NEW refugees. They are labelling themselves refugees to pull at the heart strings of gullible foreigners to extract money to continue to build their golden temples. Their temples and gold images are so grand, but no money to take care of their health? Sad. It shows the corruption in the Tibetan leadership which is whispered among the Tibetans in Dharamsala and India in hushed tones. Thousands of exiled Tibetans are immigrating to the west to get away from their corrupt leadership in form of CTA and Dalai Lama's office in Dharamsala.
Nice video on Goddess Dorje Yudronma but definitely sad thing to see that the Tibetan Leadership only cares for their own welfare and fattening up their own bank accounts. True the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan gov in-exile have loads of FREE money - not taxable and they can easily help this monastery and fund them in their project and even create a clinic for them. I am sure they have the money. Well, they have a lot of money to burn when they printed out thousand of anti-Shugden books!
Why is there lots of money to campaign against Shugden and no money to help these genuine monks/monastery. That is the question these Tibetans should raise and ask!
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The Oracle of Dorje Yudronma was ANTI DORJE SHUGDEN.
The Gyuto Tantric Monastery is under the TOTAL control of the Dalai Lama.
THIS WOMAN WAS PRO DALAI LAMA.
She would not have been allowed into the Gyuto Monastery as an "Oracle" if she was PRO DORJE SHUGDEN.
How can anyone trust what was said by her in "Trance" of Dorje Yudronma.
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The Oracle of Dorje Yudronma was ANTI DORJE SHUGDEN.
The Gyuto Tantric Monastery is under the TOTAL control of the Dalai Lama.
THIS WOMAN WAS PRO DALAI LAMA.
She would not have been allowed into the Gyuto Monastery as an "Oracle" if she was PRO DORJE SHUGDEN.
How can anyone trust what was said by her in "Trance" of Dorje Yudronma.
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Seriously Harold? Do you have any compassion or bodhicitta? What's wrong with the Dalai Lama? Tsem Rinpoche received his vows from him, so why are you trying to hate on Lord Chenrezig's emanation? Do you not remember Shantideva's advice on the consequences of being angry at a bodhisattva will result in eons of karma being lost, even an anger that lasts for a few seconds?
There are many anti-Shugdenpas from all the four lineages, yet there are great masters like Garchen Rinpoche, Namkhai Norbu, and many more who are a part of this anti-Shugdenism as well. Why are you so angry if a simple oracle is against Shugden when there are great masters that agree with her(of course, follow your guru unless he/she breaks his/her own samaya with you)?
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Well, Well, Well what do we have here with you "Questionable".
Oh yes an anti Dorje Shugden advocate.
This is only your second post and you already showed your hand.
That lacks "Skillful Means".
Your tactic was questionable, "Questionable".
Have reported you to the "Moderators".
"Why are you so angry.......", "Questionable"?
Your "Gurus" have done an excellent job in teaching you to HATE.
You HATE us Shugdenpas so much to come on our "Chat" to spread your "Hate".
Go back to what ever little hole you come from.
Better luck next time
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Well, Well, Well what do we have here with you "Questionable".
Oh yes an anti Dorje Shugden advocate.
This is only your second post and you already showed your hand.
That lacks "Skillful Means".
Your tactic was questionable, "Questionable".
Have reported you to the "Moderators".
"Why are you so angry.......", "Questionable"?
Your "Gurus" have done an excellent job in teaching you to HATE.
You HATE us Shugdenpas so much to come on our "Chat" to spread your "Hate".
Go back to what ever little hole you come from.
Better luck next time
Hm Hm Mr. Musetescu.
So because I am critical, I am therefore an anti-Shugdenpa? Are you serious?
Why are you going against now your own Vajra siblings? First you decided to forget what Pastor Niral said and just stick with your own ideas, then you now are going against your vajra brothers?
Why are you even here if you're going to keep up with such an attitude? Unite! Not separate! You want a controversy within a controversy? What's next? The "anti-Dalai Lama Shugdenpas" vs. "pro-Dalai Lama Shugdenpas"? You realize that his eminence, Tsem Rinpoche, supports the Dalai Lama, you understand?
Just because you may have been hurt by anti-Shugdenpas doesn't mean that you have the right to go out and be furious at everything. Ever heard of shamatha? Or bodhicitta? It is very clear that your practice is lacking from this lack of bodhicitta as we can see in your furious reactions.
Poor child. Get out of this forum and develop compassion and bodhicitta! Your practice will cease, and will be of waste. There is no point in talking with you any further as we all see with your deluded wrath. Until you have developed compassion, get out! Do not misrepresent who we, the Shugdenpas are! "United we stand, divided we fall."
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"Vajra Sibling"
Don't you use that phrase on "Dharma Wheel".
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Hm Hm Mr. Musetescu.
Why are you going against now your own Vajra siblings?.... Poor child..... Get out of this forum and develop compassion and bodhicitta! Your practice will cease, and will be of waste..... There is no point in talking with you any further as we all see with your deluded wrath. Until you have developed compassion, get out! Do not misrepresent (me) ..."
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You who have been here only a week tell me to "Get Out". :o :o :o
You who accuse me of anger and rage. :o :o :o :o :o :o
You who talk or should I say rant and rage about me developing "Compassion and bodhictta" :o :o :o :o
To quote your quote to me, "REALLY".
"There is no point in talking to you any further", but you will Lightning, you will.
But please do go on I love seeing you slide into the abyss of the "Moronic". 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Whether the oracle of Dorje Yudronma is anti-Dorje Shugden or not, is not the point. What matter most is that Dorje Yudronma has brought many benefits to the monks at Gyuto Tantric Monastery. The Oracle has kept her samaya and practice in order for her body to use as a beneficial vehicle. Ask yourself, what have you done for the Gelug lineage?
If you have realized we are here to expose every aspect of the CTA's corruption and to share the truth about Dorje Shugden and the illegal ban but we NEVER deny any good deeds that were done, if there is any. We respect His Holiness the Dalai Lama and we are not anti-Dalai Lama. It is an extreme act to incite hate and spread anti-Dalai Lama sentiment here just to get attention and DENY EVERYTHING that is related to His Holiness.
Just because you think that the late Oracle of Dorje Yudronma is anti-Dalai Lama and cannot be trusted, everyone should just believe you? How logical is that?
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"Just because you think the late Oracle of Dorje Yudronma CAN be trusted, everyone should just believe you
Rowntree. How logical is that".
"Ask yourself, what have you done for the Gelug Lineage?
How about reintroducing the Dharmapala Methar back into the retinue of Dorje Shugden.
How about reintroducing the Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri back into the retinue of Dorje Shugden.
How about you Rowntree, what have you done for the Gelug Lineage???
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"Just because you think the late Oracle of Dorje Yudronma CAN be trusted, everyone should just believe you
Rowntree. How logical is that".
"Ask yourself, what have you done for the Gelug Lineage?
How about reintroducing the Dharmapala Methar back into the retinue of Dorje Shugden.
How about reintroducing the Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri back into the retinue of Dorje Shugden.
How about you Rowntree, what have you done for the Gelug Lineage???
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What have YOU done? Tell us that since you make yourself seem so "superior" to all your fellow vajra siblings. And how on earth do you expect a layman to be able to put dangerous spirits like the Bamo Sum into the Shugden retinue or powerful spirits that would be displeased by such minor level of a "master?" Are you able to do it? If so, then "homage to the great master Harold, the embodiment of Shugden himself!" Om Benza Hiki Haroldana Soha!
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"Vajra Sibling"
Don't you use that phrase on "Dharma Wheel".
Hm Hm Mr. Musetescu.
Why are you going against now your own Vajra siblings?.... Poor child..... Get out of this forum and develop compassion and bodhicitta! Your practice will cease, and will be of waste..... There is no point in talking with you any further as we all see with your deluded wrath. Until you have developed compassion, get out! Do not misrepresent (me) ..."
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You who have been here only a week tell me to "Get Out". :o :o :o
You who accuse me of anger and rage. :o :o :o :o :o :o
You who talk or should I say rant and rage about me developing "Compassion and bodhictta" :o :o :o :o
To quote your quote to me, "REALLY".
"There is no point in talking to you any further", but you will Lightning, you will.
But please do go on I love seeing you slide into the abyss of the "Moronic". 8) 8) 8) 8)
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What's wrong with Dharma Wheel? While they may be anti-Shugden, they still retain a traditional viewpoint based on each person's different lineage. Looking into the website, I can see why they blocked such as a wrathful person who is ignorant of his wrath from the website(unfortunately, the mods here are inactive at the moment).
And what is wrong with "vajra sibling?" Are you telling you're not a Shugdenpa? Are you telling me you are not even part of the Vajrayana tradition? We are all the sangha, we are all vajra siblings to each other. Unless you wish to say that Nyingmapas shouldn't count as Vajrayana and what not.
You wish me out, it is you who should be treated for wrath and ignorance of its presence. And yes, one should ALWAYS develop bodhicitta. Out of all things, bodhicitta is the MOST IMPORTANT aspect of one's practice. Without it, how will you even be able to do anything? To lose it is to lose the guru himself, or even the entire dharma! Do you not understand the importance of bodhicitta?
Unfortunately, because you are so ignorant of your wrath, I must be compassionate enough to waste my time on scolding you for your delusional wrath that makes you look like a fool and then say that I'm doing it just for you to get the idea.
Pitiful indeed!
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Sorry Greased Lighting but I'm NOT blocked at Dharma Wheel.
I posted twice today.
Under what name is for me to know and you to never find out.
If only you were a "Global Moderator" here to, Greased Lightning.
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You're proud to not have bodhicitta? That's a big shame. Why are you even in Vajrayana?
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Sorry Greased Lighting but I'm NOT blocked at Dharma Wheel.
I posted twice today.
Under what name is for me to know and you to never find out.
If only you were a "Global Moderator" here to, Greased Lightning.
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Well sorry! My bad!
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Hello Grigoris
Questionable is in fact Grigoris a Global Moderator at Dharma Wheel.
He hates Dorje Shugden put hates me more.
You see he knows that I am a follower of Dorje Shugden and he has unsuccessfully tried to block me at Dharma Wheel.
He is a follower of a Lama known by the nick name "The Las Vegas Buddha".
Every time "Grig the Greek" tries to block me he fails and now he has followed me here.
He tries to pass himself off as some kind of semi enlightened being but you can tell he is nothing but a "STACKER".
Please Grig go and seek the mental health I have told you to get for the last four years.
Your sick fantasy about me is not helping you.
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Hello Grigoris
Questionable is in fact Grigoris a Global Moderator at Dharma Wheel.
He hates Dorje Shugden put hates me more.
You see he knows that I am a follower of Dorje Shugden and he has unsuccessfully tried to block me at Dharma Wheel.
He is a follower of a Lama known by the nick name "The Las Vegas Buddha".
Every time "Grig the Greek" tries to block me he fails and now he has followed me here.
He tries to pass himself off as some kind of semi enlightened being but you can tell he is nothing but a "STACKER".
Please Grig go and seek the mental health I have told you to get for the last four years.
Your sick fantasy about me is not helping you.
Well I am sorry, but I am not Grigoris. Nor am I a mod, nor "high-ranking member." I am not as intelligent as Greg, nor do I know much about Vajrayana as him nor know as many sources as him. I'm pretty sure he's not dumb enough to follow you all the way here to waste his time. But as for you, pity you have gone as far as accusing your fellow vajra siblings as anti-Shugdenpas and Dharmawheel users(I don't post in that website, for you will never know who I am either). Still, you have proven yourself to be a deluded hypocrite who misrepresents who the Shugdenpas really are and just decides to avoid the pastors' or Rinpoche's advice and just makes up his own answers that are simply the result of ignorance. Your guru would be disappointed to find you discriminating your own discriminated vajra siblings and show yourself to be an object of shame and pity. Why do you even try? Here is my advice: Go out and do a retreat for an entire month without internet and take in the teachings and meditate on what they really are. But as you aren't an expert in even understanding the teachings, you might as well go on your deluded path that makes even the great lord, Shugden, to be ashamed of you.
Anyway, enough of this flame war, this topic has gone way too off topic while the mods are gone.
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