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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: michaela on January 20, 2012, 12:04:27 PM
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Dear Forum Reader
I would like to ask about the following:
- If the monks of Serpom and Shar Gaden openly practicing DS and cut off from Tibetan community, where do they get their daily necessities. Are they well provided for?
- I saw some novice children monk in Serpom/ Shar Gaden from the video. They are still in the minority. Who made the choice for them on whether they are using red or white sticks?
Michaela
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Dear Forum Reader
I would like to ask about the following:
- If the monks of Serpom and Shar Gaden openly practicing DS and cut off from Tibetan community, where do they get their daily necessities. Are they well provided for?
- I saw some novice children monk in Serpom/ Shar Gaden from the video. They are still in the minority. Who made the choice for them on whether they are using red or white sticks?
Michaela
Very good questions. Well thought out and tough too. Thanks.
Mana
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I am a monk at Shar Gaden. Although the monastery is cut off from the Tibetan community at large, there are still many people around the world who support the monastery.
The monastery is supported much like any other monastery; by contributions from various benefactors. Meeting the various needs of the monastery is a very difficult task. The administrators here work tirelessly to make sure every monk is well taken care of. They do an excellent job.
Those wishing to reach out to assist the monastery can contact the administrator's office directly at -
Email: [email protected]
[email protected]
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Most of the younger monks here at Shar gaden were not forced to take the vote with the sticks.
Many were sent here by their parents to provide an opportunity for their children to get a excellent secular and religious education.
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Thank you Losang Tenpa for the insightful reply. I am so happy to know that the monks are well provided for. I visited Gaden monastery before it were split many years ago and was very happy there.
I am just curious about the boy monks. how many are they in Serpom and Shar Gaden? Why their parents sent these boys to Serpom and Shar Gaden instead of "the mainstream monasteries complying with the ban" knowing that these two great monasteries will receive many kinds of discrimination from Dalai Lama due to the ban?
Kind regards
Michaela
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Actually, most of the younger boys here are very well insulated from the discrimination. The youngsters usually do not go very far from the monastery so they are well looked after. They all have a 'house-teacher' who makes sure they are safe and keeps track of their whereabouts.
The parents who send their children here do so much of the time because they know that Shar Gaden and Serpom have top-notch educational programs and have solid reputations as well disciplined monasteries. They also know that many of the renowned Lamas of the Gelug lineage endorse these monasteries.
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Thank you Losang Tenpa for the insightful explanation. Now we have heard directly from a monk in Shar Gaden. It is good to hear that the young monks are well taken cared for and sheltered from the discrimination. Also good to hear that parents support these monasteries because of the education system. This will ensure that the young monks will grow up and continue spreading the dharma and Dorje Shugden practices. Inspiring for the parents to send their sons to these monasteries despite the ban and the controversies.
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Actually, most of the younger boys here are very well insulated from the discrimination. The youngsters usually do not go very far from the monastery so they are well looked after. They all have a 'house-teacher' who makes sure they are safe and keeps track of their whereabouts.
The parents who send their children here do so much of the time because they know that Shar Gaden and Serpom have top-notch educational programs and have solid reputations as well disciplined monasteries. They also know that many of the renowned Lamas of the Gelug lineage endorse these monasteries.
Yes, the "house-teachers" are doing a good job in taking care the young monks. They feed them well, get them books, etc. Each teacher is like having a mini-hostel with a few young monks taken care by him. May be that's why the Guru Devotion is such a natural act when the young monks grow up.
Also, some novice monks said that the young monks come from many different places, such as different provinces of China, India, etc. and they usually travel by train/bus. There are novice monks from the monastery who will assist in bringing the young kids (before they become monk) to the monastery. For example, a parent in China wants to send their 8 years old kid to Shar Gaden, they will meet in China/India border, and the novice monks will bring the kid to monastery.
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Actually it is the senior monks who help the youngtsers travel to the monastery. When the last big group of children arrived from Nepal, it was several of the senior monks who traveled to Nepal to meet them and bring them back to the monastery.
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Thanks or the information, Losang_Tenpa.
I read in one of the forum postings that each young/novice monk is assigned to a senior monk, who would care for, discipline, and teach these young monks. The young monks are the responsibilities of the in-house teacher. I like this system, of having a mentoring program within the monks themselves, because when these young monks grow older, they then have the responsibility to nuture and tutor another new batch of young monks.
Just wondering, how are the senior monks chosen to be the mentor/tutor of these group of young monks? Or is it that all seniors are assigned to nurture some of them?
Thank you Losang Tenpa for the insightful reply. I am so happy to know that the monks are well provided for. I visited Gaden monastery before it were split many years ago and was very happy there.
I am just curious about the boy monks. how many are they in Serpom and Shar Gaden? Why their parents sent these boys to Serpom and Shar Gaden instead of "the mainstream monasteries complying with the ban" knowing that these two great monasteries will receive many kinds of discrimination from Dalai Lama due to the ban?
In relation to your question, Michaela, I read on a forum post here that there were 103 novice monks that joined Shar Gaden in Sept 2010 (link to post here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1440.0;topicseen (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1440.0;topicseen)).. I am sure that there are more by now.
It is great isn't it, that their parents chose these monasteries to send their boys to, instead of the mainstream monasteries. It is the love of their parents, for choosing something that they believe will be good for their child, and for their educational benefit. I am sure that by sending their children to these monasteries, in light of the ban, all they want is for their child to grow up to become good and respected monks, and maybe their parents see these qualities in the monks, lamas and abbots of these monasteries, so that is why they send their child there. If practising DS was so bad, I don't think any parent would send their child there to be a monk. I feel also that Shar Gaden and Serpom have a good reputation (from their education system, and also the examples of the lamas that hail from these monasteries) therefore they have been chosen by the parents of these novice monks.
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More obviously, it could also be that the parents of these children are Dorje Shugden practitioners and their lamas are DS lamas, so they still have tremendous faith in the practice and lineage. However, children of Dorje Shugden practitioners are also denied education in schools within the Tibetan community. Knowing that the monastery provides excellent education, and coming from a tradition that regards Dharma as supreme, it is a tremendous honour and benefit for their children to be sent to monasteries like Serpom and Shar Gaden.
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I’ve been to the monastery before some time back, I heard from one of the monk told me that they went out to recruit the young monks, some of the kiddy monk is because their parents are too poor and cannot raise them, so they send them to monastery in view that monastery can take care and teach them to be good person…
This really touched me, look at Shar Gaden, how much difficulties they are having right now and yet, they do not stop helping people, they give whatever they have and teach whatever they know to these kids, how fortunate they are.
If to be young and born in poor family can be sent to monastery, I wish to be in poor family, it will be the most pleasure of mine…
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It is very sad to read about the discrimination the monks have to face in the light of all that is happening to the monastic community. It is already a very precious and rare chance to be upholding the Dharma as a monastic. I think it is also doubly courageous and brave of these great individual monastics who serve to uphold the lineage of their lineage Lamas and Dorje Shugden by taking up the burden of preserving the lineage of Dorje Shugden. I believe these great monks are little lineage holders themselves by carrying the torch of upholding the Dorje Shugden.
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in this video footage:
http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=11450 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=11450)
I noted that Kyabje Domo Geshe Choktrul Rinpoche is still in minority. Does he ended up in Shar Gaden because he voluntarily chose red sticks? How does he ended up in Shar Gaden?
At the time the red and white sticks are implemented, what was the starting age before someone could make the choice? How old Kyabje Domo Geshe Choktrul Rinpoche at the time?
With regard to the recognition of new Tulku, does Shar Gaden and Serpom have the same rights to enthrone new Tulkus in their monasteries as compared to the other "non DS" monasteries? Who will be the approval authority since they are not officially related to HHDL?
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Hi Lobsang_tempa,
I am wondering how are the conditions of Serpom and Shar Ganden? How do you guys get supplies? Are lay people allowed to stay in the monastery compound and are taken care for and looked after?
As I have seen the lay practitioners of Dorje Shugden are also facing a very hard time continuing life in Dharamsala at the moment. Will the monasteries provide shelter for them? Are the monasteries constantly under attack from the laity as well as the other monks physically? Is everyone well protected?
There are so many incidents of violence by so many fanatics against Dorje Shugden practitioners, so I am quite worried about the safety of the monks and practitioners there. How is everyone faring against the ban? are there a lot of monks coming in because they do not wish to continue to do their practices secretly anymore?
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I noted that Kyabje Domo Geshe Choktrul Rinpoche is still in minority. Does he ended up in Shar Gaden because he voluntarily chose red sticks? How does he ended up in Shar Gaden?
At the time the red and white sticks are implemented, what was the starting age before someone could make the choice? How old Kyabje Domo Geshe Choktrul Rinpoche at the time?
With regard to the recognition of new Tulku, does Shar Gaden and Serpom have the same rights to enthrone new Tulkus in their monasteries as compared to the other "non DS" monasteries? Who will be the approval authority since they are not officially related to HHDL?
I heard somewhere that Domo Geshe mum found this definitive website and how the information was presented in this website convinced her to send her child to Shar Gaden, so this website is really pivotal for the spread of Dorje Shugden and giving the right information. I think Shar Gaden recognises their own tulkus like Domo Geshe.
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During my visit to Serpom, I was touched by how the young monks were very well treated and trained by older monks . On numerous occasions , while the young monks gathered to serve food/drinks to the sangha congregation , a senior will be giving instructions etc and they will be scurrying all over the gompa doing their thing. I could see the love and care the much bigger monks have for the young ones. There was not any sign of bullying or abuse despite the huge physical difference between them. There was mutual respect which ensured smoothness and efficiency in performing their functions. It was a delight to see the quiet happiness in all of them and there was no hint of pretentiousness.
There was no shoving or pushing when they queue up to receive ' angpows' and offerings from us .Seniors patiently line up with the juniors without any rank discrimination.
I also dropped in the classes they were havting at that time. They were very organised and disciplined in conducting the classes.
I believe parents in the region are aware of the good work and efforts these two monasteries are putting in to send their children there in the same way we check out the reputation of schools and colleges we wish to send our kids. If parents are DS followers, the natural preference for Serpom n Shar Gaden is obvious since they have received so much benefit themselves.
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It is heartwarming to learn that, despite such mindless discrimination against them, the monks in Serpom and Shar Gaden have created sanctuaries of peace and harmony within their monasteries by their love and great compassion.The young monks, including Domo Geshe Rinpoche, are being nurtured so well by the senior monks . There is no doubt that these young monks will carry on the lineage teachings and traditions very capably and with equal zeal, when they come to maturity themselves. So Dorje Shugden monasteries, like Serpom and Shar Gaden,are among the rare existing monasteries that will faithfully preserve the pure lineage teachings of Je Tsongkapa.
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That’s right, I believe they will definitely carry the lineage well, because even when they are young, they already learned to care for other people, while walking together with the young monks, when they saw you carry heavy things, very fast they will come to you and want to help to carry for you, and they will insist to help carry or walk close to you waiting to help you.
They will take every trouble step to make sure you are well taken care, in such a young age they already cultivated this kind of care and kindness, this is just as what Dalai Lama has quoted:
- If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion
- It is necessary to help others, not only in our prayers, but in our daily lives. If we find we cannot help others, the least we can do is to desist from harming them
- Today, more than ever before, life must be characterized by a sense of Universal responsibility, not only nation to nation and human to human, but also human to other forms of life
- It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the long term for both yourself and others will come
Today when I came across these quotes, it reminded me of how kind and compassion the monks in Serpom and Shar Gaden, and when these monks can gives us such impact of kindness, it shows how serious they are in their practice. This is just so wonderful.
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Just to share this photo and short bio of this venerable monk.
Ven Geshe Tenzin Dorje: The New Shar Gaden School Principal and the New Director of the Library. He had been a regular teacher for past two years where he had served with full of dedication and love. He is very well known for his extraordinary skills in Tantric fields. He received a number of teachings from the previous Kyabje Trijang Vajradhara, Ling Rinpoche, Zong Vajradhara, Zemey Rinpoche and so on. He was an alumnus of Gaden Shartse Monastery, where he completed his studies and was respectfully conferred the Geshe Degree which is the most deserving.
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Eventhough the ban has made life difficult for many people yet they still send their kids to Serpom and Shar Gaden. How strong is their faith in Dorje Shugden! It's great to know that those young monks are well taken of and cared for. This shows that no matter how Dorje Shugden is being discriminated and brought down, people can tell the difference between wrong and right! Learning young is so beneficial. I wish my kids can be trained in such a way as well.
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Re monks of shar & serpom monastery, after watched all video took by my friend whom came back from monasteries. I felt extremely touched by all the monks about their devotion,never give up no matter what happen, caring, gentleness, disciplin and etc. Especially keeping their DS practises even they force to split up with their families, closed friends and dharma brothers and sisters. These monks still choose DS. These monks cannot enjoy facilities of hospitally and medicine support. This is unacceptable. After all these bad treatment by CTA and HHDL, they still keep HHDL picture on there altar and pray to HHDL. These what I admired most.
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Re monks of shar & serpom monastery, after watched all video took by my friend whom came back from monasteries. I felt extremely touched by all the monks about their devotion,never give up no matter what happen, caring, gentleness, disciplin and etc. Especially keeping their DS practises even they force to split up with their families, closed friends and dharma brothers and sisters. These monks still choose DS. These monks cannot enjoy facilities of hospitally and medicine support. This is unacceptable. After all these bad treatment by CTA and HHDL, they still keep HHDL picture on there altar and pray to HHDL. These what I admired most.
I agree, and to add on, the DS practitioners actually have a very simple mind and kind heart, spiritual practice are something very personal, other people should not use spiritual practice as excuses to attack them, they have the right, they own the right fully to practice what they believe in.
Although they have been treated very unfairly, but they did not even thinking of paying back with revenge, no hatred, and never use any excuse to hurt other people as to release the suffering they are facing. They do their practice quietly, patiently and even help those who are in need for help.
They forgive and help, who else can do this?
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Though both Serpom and Shar Gaden are not considered as the 'main stream monasteries', but they have very good and qualified teachers who are sincere and passionate in helping and teaching the younger monks. Most of the senior monks in these monasteries are elite masters that have opted to continue with their Dorje Shugden practice that was given to them by their Gurus and not giving in to the pressure of the ban.
This is really admirable as they have to face tonnes and tonnes of obstacles by choosing this path and yet they did not criticise HHDL nor did they blame the community at large for treating them 'differently'. In fact, they rise above the challenge and grew stronger and more popular. They carried on in spreading Lama Tsongkhapa and Dorje Shugden practice regardless of the obstacles thrown in their way. This can be seen in the 'success' they achieved during the official opening of their monasteries.
More sponsors and followers are coming forth towards these monasteries and are being blesse by our great Protector Dorje Shugfden.
May more sponsors come forth in supporting all Dorje Shugden monasteries, creating the causes for the ban to be lifted soon.
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Serpom monastery aims to produce Buddhist masters,philosophers,scholars,peace educators etc.to make greater contribution to world peace and people's welfare. Here monks study the five text of the Mahayana Buddhist curriculum,which takes an average of 18 years.The monks are granted free education,meal and accomodation.There are 567 monks at this monastery excluding the monks who resides abroad.The monastery is open to anyone without any discrimination.It's sister monastery is Shar Gaden monastery.This monastery will be safe and blessed with Dorje shugden's practice.
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It is ironic that even after the ban, even Shar Gaden is on their own even through difficult times, they managed to survive and more and more younger generation monks are joining them. On the other hand, Serpom is new and now there is a huge infatuation of young monks and teachers. Now, the both monasteries are suppose to be the "alternative". But if Dorje Shugden is bad, their work wouldn't grow. But now we are worried about them getting supplies and being cut off from the mainstream. But I think it actually created more awareness to the people from the outside work to help and support their world, in other words their names are actually on a international platform!
Of course, those who did the research Dorje Shugden came from a line of great elite masters all the way to what we have now Shar Gaden and Serpom. Without the ban, we wouldn't have the alternative! The parents of the young monks would have done research that the monasteries provide excellent studies and masters based on their past result. Even it is directly going against the will of His Holiness, but maybe it is meant to be this way? ;)
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Thank you Losang Tenpa for your feedback and information concerning the young monks at Shar Gaden.
It is very heartening to hear they are being taken great care of by the older monks and house teachers? Great Care for future Dharma Teachers upholding our lineage and protector.
How often in worldly life we see the results of the care and teaching of good parents whose kids turn out good due to the amount of love and care they were given...and imagine what can come from children in Dharma! (in Shar Gaden and Serpom, around enlightened teachers).
Where would you want your child to get a spiritual and secular education? No where else that's for sure.. :D
xo
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I am very fortunate that I am able to pay a visit to Shar Gaden. When I was there, I am amazed and touched by what I saw. Despite the ban and being ostracized by the whole Tibetan community, the monks there are so nice and serious about their practices.
I can experience the peacefulness and serenity being there in Shar Gaden. The monks, old or young, are very friendly, kind and gave us warm welcome. Their smiles are very genuine and authentic. Although they have very limited resources, they do not complain. Instead, the young monks studied very hard in class, debates and do their puja and practice seriously. Their Guru devotions are so strong that they are not afraid of all the obstacles that they are facing even it may endanger their life but they are still practicing DS which is taught by their Guru.
Therefore, we should support them in whatever way we can, financially or publicity to create the awareness and the truth of DS. May the ban be lifted soonest and more people can be blessed and be protected by DS.
P/s. You may also watch the video here to know more about Shar Gaden : http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=111 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=111)
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No matter how you want to see it, Dorje Shugden is helping these monasteries to grow, and you can tell that they are definitely Buddhists as they are happier and calm despite the ban going on and despite being ostracized by their community. Those are the mark of high quality practitioners that will definitely make the Dharma grow in all the directions because the lead and teach by example.
This really does increase my faith in Dorje Shugden more as he has promised to help practitioners who petition him to grow in the Dharma and also to have their needs taken care of and have what they need so that they will have more time for Dharma practice. And guess what: he is fulfilling his pledge of providing and caring for his practitioners and there is actual proof of that happening.
Shar Ganden and Serpom is truly an inspiration for us all to follow, that is to not give up whenever it gets hard to practice the Dharma. When we give up on the Dharma whenever something gets hard or difficult, or worse still, that they're not really difficult but its nothing more than just our perception that things are hard, how can we truly get any results from practicing the Dharma that way?
The emergence and success of Shar Ganden and Serpom is very clear proof that Dorje Shugden is beneficial as he brings about positive results. If that is not visible proof of his positivity, I dont know what is. And I would love to hear from the monks of Shar Ganden on their updates and daily happenings here because its proof that he is actually good for all of us.
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Oh you have been there too Lotus1? it is very nice isn't it?
I went last year with a few friends to visit Serpom for their opening ceremony, I saw many tourists, many people visited them, wonder is there you one of the many tourists i saw. The world is so small huh.
I agree with you, the monks there are so nice, to me, a Dharma practitioner should be someone who can go through any obstacle but still can remain their own self character, and not going around hurting and harming people with other belief.
When i went there, what i saw are a group of monks, I saw how they live their life, if for anyone there are not practicing Dharma seriously, i'm sure they would have ran away already...
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With regard to the recognition of new Tulku, does Shar Gaden and Serpom have the same rights to enthrone new Tulkus in their monasteries as compared to the other "non DS" monasteries? Who will be the approval authority since they are not officially related to HHDL?
I heard somewhere that Domo Geshe mum found this definitive website and how the information was presented in this website convinced her to send her child to Shar Gaden, so this website is really pivotal for the spread of Dorje Shugden and giving the right information. I think Shar Gaden recognises their own tulkus like Domo Geshe.
I think Shar Gaden and Serpom can enthrone new Tulkus in their monasteries, but the issue will be who is given/ has the authority to recognise these Tulkus since it has always been His Holienss who has the say.
The current Domo Geshe Chocktrul Rinpoche was recognised and enthroned by Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche, details below:
In the early summer of 2006, from a list of names gathered by the Search Committee, Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche selected one child, a boy born in June 2003 in New York City to Karma and Hishey Dorji of Sikkim.
Over the next two years, representatives of the Dungkar Gonpa Society and Rinpoche’s monasteries met the child and his parents several times. They learned not only of the extraordinary signs and omens that the family had witnessed, but they also experienced for themselves many indications that this young child was truly the reincarnation of their revered Teacher.
In the early spring of 2008 the Tulku, who was given the name Losang Jigme Nyak-gi Wangchuk by Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche, was enthroned in Samten Choling Monastery, in Ghoom, India; in Tashi Choling Monastery in Kurseong, India; and in Enchey House, the ancestral home of the previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche, in Gangtok, Sikkim. Hundreds of well-wishers and disciples of the previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche attended these joyous events.
On June 21, 2008, at Gangjong Namgyal, the headquarters of the Dungkar Gonpa Society, the hair-cutting and final enthronement ceremonies took place. Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche and Kyabje Yongyal Rinpoche presided. Achok Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche, Zawa Rinpoche and Michel Rinpoche also took part, and Helmut Gassner attended as Gonsar Rinpoche’s representative. (Kyabje Phabongkha Rinpoche sent Kentrul Rinpoche, who arrived several days later, as his representative.) In addition, many Lamas as well as friends and disciples from around the world attended the ceremony and the day-long celebration. As Kyabje Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche said at the beginning of the ceremony, the young Tulku has been recognized in order for him “to continue his activities for the flourishing of the teachings of the Buddha, particularly for the teachings of the great master Je Tsong Khapa.”
From http://www.domogesherinpoche.org/ (http://www.domogesherinpoche.org/)
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If there are high beings who knowingly want to recognise high lamas incarnation and they are of Trijang Rinpoche's calibre I would believe it. The nature of the ban is such that the Dalai Lama looks like he wont be doing any favours for Dorje Shugden practitioners and lamas and Domo Geshe was one of the most top lamas who have relied very strongly on Dorje Shudgen.
So Trijang Rinpoche is so high and realised, and he definitely know thee is karma associated with recognising a tulku incorrectly. If Trijang Rinpoche is alright to take the responsibility to recognise Domo Geshe it is good enough for me.
Who gave the Dalai Lama the authority to recognise the Karmapas for example?
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the tulku that Trijang Rinpoche recognized is no doubt the real one as there were many interesting signs when he accepted the enthronement. All the butterlamps in his monastery crystallized when he accepted the enthronement. This could only mean that he is the real reincarnation and that he will benefit an infinite amount of beings. read more on the miracles here: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=11761 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=11761)
Although His Holiness traditionally recognizes and approves of the reincarnations, but all the same the abbot of a monastery and the oracle can do the recognition too. Also, an authentic tulku will be able to have the same magnitude of energy and achievements as the previous one, but with the recognition they will be able to benefit more people in a shorter time.
As the Dalai Lama works very hard for the sake of Tibet and preserving and spreading Tibetan Buddhism throughout the world, he does have certain perks, and one of them is recognizing tulkus and approving their incarnations. HHDL's endorsement would also mean the endorsement of the whole of Tibet as His Holiness does indeed have that weight on his shoulders.
But in the advent of things such as the ban and the split between Ganden, Sera and Drepung and Shar Ganden and Serpom, there must be some changes around as pro DS lamas are automatically not recognized by HHDL or the CTA even if they happen to the be real incarnation for obvious reasons. In lieu of that, I dont think there is a problem if the abbot stands in the place of HHDL in the recognition process. Do correct me if i am wrong as this is based on my inference.
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Who gave the Dalai Lama the authority to recognise the Karmapas for example?
Dear Dharmaspace
Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje was recognized by Situ Rinpoche and Gyaltsab Rinpoche.
Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje was recognized by Sharmapa Rinpoche.
Situ Rinpoche, Gyaltsab Rinpoche, and Sharmapa Rinpoche are high Kagyu Lamas. All these three Lamas requested confirmation from HHDL about which reincarnation is the main incarnation. HHDL through his divination stated that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is the main incarnation.
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Actually, most of the younger boys here are very well insulated from the discrimination. The youngsters usually do not go very far from the monastery so they are well looked after. They all have a 'house-teacher' who makes sure they are safe and keeps track of their whereabouts.
The parents who send their children here do so much of the time because they know that Shar Gaden and Serpom have top-notch educational programs and have solid reputations as well disciplined monasteries. They also know that many of the renowned Lamas of the Gelug lineage endorse these monasteries.
Brilliant! It goes to show that Shar Gaden and Serpom Monastery will continue to grow with these young budding monks who will be our future and next generation of Dharma teachers that carries our pure lineage. It is wonderful news to know that even on such difficult circumstances, parents are making conscious decisions that I am sure is quite difficult during this BAN to send their kids to a Dorje Shugden practiced monastery, it shows their devotion, faith and loyalty to their Gurus, lineage and protector and obviously that supersedes political agendas.
In regards to the recognition of new Tulku, does Shar Gaden and Serpom have the same rights to enthrone new Tulkus in their monasteries as compared to the other "non DS" monasteries? Who will be the approval authority since they are not officially related to HHDL?
It has already begun hasn't it with the recognition of Domo Geshe Rinpoche... this will now pave the way of the continuity in recognizing Rinpoche's and Tulkus of Dorje Shugden lineage. I see that once His Holiness passes... more and more Gelugpa practitioners will start looking toward Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche for guidance. This is inevitable... who else do they have really, once His Holiness passes. All the other schools have their respective Head to do this as well. And the best part is there will no longer be a 3rd party involve.
However I am curious who will be appointed/authorise who will be the next Gaden Tripa. Heard that the current one is purposely chosen due to His politically correct stance, which is quite sad. So after him who and if His Holiness is not around, who will be the ones to authorize it?
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67 new arrivals at Shar Gaden
http://shargadenpa.org/new-arrivals (http://shargadenpa.org/new-arrivals)
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Great news! Just few days ago I read in this forum about rumours of Shar Gaden not being able to support themselves financially hence wanting to give up Dorje Shugden's practice to rejoin Gaden Shartse. I guess the rumours are now proven false with news of 67 novice monks arriving at Shar Gaden!
These novice monks will be taught well in Shar Gaden for sure. Looks like Domo Geshe Rinpoche has more friends of his age now. Domo Geshe Rinpoche along with all these novice monks will be the future leaders and teachers of Shar Gaden. By then, the ban should be lifted and hopefully Gaden Shartse and Shar Gaden will rejoin to form a greater force led by these monks!
The arrival of the 67 novice monks also proves a point that Dorje Shugden's practice continues to grow. Now, Gaden Shartse, what do you have to say?
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67 new arrivals at Shar Gaden
[url]http://shargadenpa.org/new-arrivals[/url] ([url]http://shargadenpa.org/new-arrivals[/url])
I pray that DS will continue to bless, protect, and help Shar Gaden to grow. I always admire their decisions to hold what they believe to be right.
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Losang_Tenpa
I have a question. Who administered Geshe examination at Serpom and Shar Gaden? Who have the authority to say that someone is worthy of his Geshe degree? In Trijang Rinpoche's biography, Illusory Play, I noticed that since his time, Abbot's seal of approval alone is not enough to declare that someone is a Geshe.
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Losang_Tenpa
I have a question. Who administered Geshe examination at Serpom and Shar Gaden? Who have the authority to say that someone is worthy of his Geshe degree? In Trijang Rinpoche's biography, Illusory Play, I noticed that since his time, Abbot's seal of approval alone is not enough to declare that someone is a Geshe.
There are many there capable, I think approval from the 101st Gaden Tripa would more then be adequate. :P
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Great news! Just few days ago I read in this forum about rumours of Shar Gaden not being able to support themselves financially hence wanting to give up Dorje Shugden's practice to rejoin Gaden Shartse. I guess the rumours are now proven false with news of 67 novice monks arriving at Shar Gaden!
These novice monks will be taught well in Shar Gaden for sure. Looks like Domo Geshe Rinpoche has more friends of his age now. Domo Geshe Rinpoche along with all these novice monks will be the future leaders and teachers of Shar Gaden. By then, the ban should be lifted and hopefully Gaden Shartse and Shar Gaden will rejoin to form a greater force led by these monks!
The arrival of the 67 novice monks also proves a point that Dorje Shugden's practice continues to grow. Now, Gaden Shartse, what do you have to say?
This also indicates to me that more and more monks are gaining up their courage to stay true and loyal to their Guru and practice. They also give out a wonderful message to the monks in Gaden that being truthful and loyal to ones practice is more important then politics. This I believe will then trigger monks from Gaden to perhaps have their point of view doubled checked, and perhaps join Serpom/Shar Gaden.
I had a funny thought... imagine if little by little monks keep coming in to Serpom... eventually the infamous Gaden Monastery monks will be smaller in no? So what will happened next??? And especially when His Holiness is gone, no offense, why should they stay on in Gaden and pretend they do not like Dorje Shugden for those who do, that is.
There is then no more need to hide in secret how they really feel. I say this because I have heard from monk friends that monks in Gaden do secretly and quietly have interactions with their monk friends at night to talk and exchange - which I find do sad having to hide even your friendship. And what would then stop Gaden/Sera and Drepung to say Bye Bye to the BAN? All they need is the Gaden Tripa, Thubten Nyima Lungtok, to say it because He is after all their rightful head! And why wouldn't He as I heard He is also a Dorje Shugden practitioner before but now just towing the line with HHDL.