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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: thaimonk on May 12, 2011, 06:33:11 PM
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Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has completed his beautiful new Monastery in Taiwan. Here are some pictures from the grand opening event. He also is completing his Monastery in Nepal which has facilities to accommodate 1,000 monks. Over a decade back, he has rebuilt a large Monastery in his hometown in Tibet benefitting the local people and fulfilling their requests.
Serkong Tritul Rinpoche hails from Gaden Jangtze Monastery but is not allowed to return to the Monastery due to his practice of Shugden in the past. Some people say he has given up Shugden, if that is the case, he should be allowed back in Gaden Jangtze Monastery. But he is not allowed as he has not signed his letter of giving up Shugden. Those monks residing abroad must sign a letter and send into their individual Monasteries stating they giving up allegiance to Shugden to remain on the Monastic roster. Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has not signed the letter therefore not allowed back to Gaden Jangtze Monstery till date.
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Serkong Tritul Rinpoche in the centre. On the left is Jamseng Rinpoche. In front of their new Monastery in Hualian, Taiwan.
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Jamseng Rinpoche (disciple of Serkong Tritul) attending ceremony. Jamseng Rinpoche mainly resides in Malaysia/Singapore with a large group.
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Wow they do look alot different now. :)
So does anyone know what theyre core practises consist of id assume they'd be doing the guru yoga of Atisha now ? and the red hat symbolises theyve dropped Je Tsongkhapas view ?
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I don't know much about them but if they have formed a new school of Kadhampas - i presume this means they are no longer Gelug, so Serkong Tritul would not even seek to return to Gaden Jangtze? I am amazed that there are so many monks in his monastery. He must be attracting them via good example. I see they also do debates like in the monasteries.
From their website, you can find out more about their practices http://kadhampa.org/EN/text002.htm. I couldn't copy the text - not sure why, but you can go and browse there for further info.
Cheers!
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For sure the temple looks neat.
So these red hats with yellow lines represent their new kadhampa school? I mean they have not been seen before?
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Thank you Thaimonk for sharing all these wonderful photos.
I remember seeing some photos of this monastery during the construction period some time ago, and it looks so grand and magnificant now.
We can definitely see the help from our dear dharma protector, Dorje Shugden, in assisting all the tulkus in spreading the buddha dharma, building large monasteries and temples, enshrining the holy teachings all over the world.
Like many have questioned here, I have never seen this type of red hat with yellow lines before........ but I think their core practice is still based on Lama Tsongkhpa guru yoga as we can see beautiful statues of Lama Tsongkhapa in the temple.
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Thank you Thaimonk! It is beautiful images! It is nice to see that Buddhadharma spreads in the world. The pomp and ceremony would uplift many people's faith in the Lamas. However, I do wish that it was yellow hats of Lama Tsongkhapa that they are wearing. It is just a personal preference. No real reason behind it.
Perhaps the red hats are just a diversion so the discrimination and persecution would not hinder their great works. Once the ban is over, they switch their hats back to yellow? Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps!
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Wow! Such a huge and grand temple! Thank you, Thai Monk, for posting these pictures here.
I really rejoice for them and for the spread of Dharma!
What I love most about the pictures is the sight of so many ordained individuals in Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's organization. It shows that his students are serious about their practice and some have even taken the higher step to becoming ordained. How wonderful! This create the causes for a local monastic community to take root in Taiwan.
So many monastic communities are being established everywhere and Dharma is growing and spreading into the different directions.
Though DS practitioners and Lamas may not be allowed to return to India, they are growing in other countries.
This is a beautiful sign that DS cannot be diminished or stopped.
Perhaps, in the future, the pure Gelug lineage will be the ones practised outside of India, as it lives on through the DS practitioners and Lamas.
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Wow! Such a huge and grand temple! Thank you, Thai Monk, for posting these pictures here.
I really rejoice for them and for the spread of Dharma!
What I love most about the pictures is the sight of so many ordained individuals in Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's organization. It shows that his students are serious about their practice and some have even taken the higher step to becoming ordained. How wonderful! This create the causes for a local monastic community to take root in Taiwan.
So many monastic communities are being established everywhere and Dharma is growing and spreading into the different directions.
Though DS practitioners and Lamas may not be allowed to return to India, they are growing in other countries.
This is a beautiful sign that DS cannot be diminished or stopped.
Perhaps, in the future, the pure Gelug lineage will be the ones practised outside of India, as it lives on through the DS practitioners and Lamas.
Even if one do not practise Dharma protector but as long as one turly practise Lamrim sincerely, one will be protected by DS and other Dharma protectors. as well.
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For sure the temple looks neat.
So these red hats with yellow lines represent their new kadhampa school? I mean they have not been seen before?
I think I remember seeing some photos of the Khadampa school sangha also wearing maroon and green (instead of maroon / yellow inner shirts). I was told it is something like they have broken away and created their own lineage that finds its basis entirely in the Kadam lineage (of course). I'm not sure if this means a return to Atisha?
They may have received some criticism I think for breakaway; I know I am certainly in no position, as a layperson, to judge any new lineage begun by a master like Serkong Rinpoche. But it is encouraging to see that there is a new generation arising. It looks like Dorje Shugden's practice will take off on its own, with or without the "approval" of the mainstream or Tib govt-sanctioned monasteries/ lineages.
It is so brave of Serkong Rinpoche and his students to go their own way and find new methods to bring Dharma to more people. I wish them every big success!
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Serkong Tritul Rinpoche not only sponsors Shar Gaden Monastery, but also Serpom Monastery. We rejoice in his activities.
Mana
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Wow, what a grand temple. I am very happy to hear the news and I rejoice for the successful opening of this temple by Serkong Tritul Rinpoche. It warms my heart to see so many monks and nuns. It shows that Dharma is still very much alive and being practised. It is an open secret that Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is a practitioner of Dorje Shugden. All evidence points to it. He is still not allowed back to Gaden Jangtse and he sponsors Shar Gaden and Serpom monasteries.
Therefore, it can be concluded that Tsongkapa's teachings and Dorje Shugden practice is growing and flourishing. Why is that? If Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and his students practises DS, definitely they are practising Tsongkapa's teachings as DS is the uncommon protector of Tsongkapa's teachings. DS is practiced so that all obstacles to the practice of Tsongkapa's teachings are pacified or eliminated so that it's practitioners can gain attainments.
The new external appearance of a green material addition to the robes of the sangha and the red hat with yellow stripes I believe is most probably just Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's skilful means to give his Taiwan monastery disciples a certain identity. Buddhism has always changed it external form to cater to changing times and needs of its practitioners. How it is presented may be different than before but the essence is the same.
Thank you Thaimonk for sharing all these beautiful and holy pictures.
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In many Thanka of Atisha, one could see the three lines or three rings on the red hat. Many are wondering what are the three rings on the red hat wore by Serkong Tritul Rinpoche for? To my understanding, it represents three type of wisdom namely cause, fruition, karma three wheel of extrication (please pardon my poor english) Red represents the discrimination wisdom of Amitabha Buddha.
Just to share that as the first three pictures shows auspicious sign of light gracing the opening ceremony, if you notice that there is a green light floating gently down from top to the middle of the path. It is said that could be Green Tara herself coming to grace the ceremony!
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Awesome! What a beautiful temple!!! Much rejoicing for them.
They say pictures paint a thousand words and so indeed we see that there is no stopping them whether TGIE like it or not hehe.
What I like about these pictures is that despite all the criticism, look how grand and organised they are. How many thousands of people, followers can benefit from it. They are definitely not getting smaller, but instead bigger around the globe. Their centre is clean, neat and even the food they serve is so well presented and so inviting.
This is a clear indication to us all that Dorje Shugden practice is not evil. If it is evil, why would they be growing?
From their website they state:
Through Je Tsong Kha Pa, the Gelug teaching foundation – based in part on the Kadham tradition became well-known. In fact, Gelugpas were originally known as the New Kadhampas.
Through history and the changing of societies, Atisha’s spiritual tradition has never stopped continuously reappearing in Tibetan Buddhism. The 14th Dalai Lama and many great monks are Atisha’s followers.
As Kadhampa followers, we inherited the Kadhampa tradition lineage. Each practitioner should use his or her best efforts to learn Kadhampa teachings in detaching his or her life from all temporary worldly fame, gain and position.
A Practitioner does not just work for self enjoyment in his or her life, but should use all the efforts of his or her body, speech, and mind to search for happiness for all living beings and become a Mahayana practitioner as his or her goal.
Just like the wind spreading seeds to every corner of the world, we can see our dharma friends everywhere in Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, United States of America, Nepal, New Zealand, other Asian countries, etc spreading the Atisha’s heritage.
We want to help all living beings to be liberated from sufferings. Just like the sun and moon, throughout day and night, sweep away darkness and defilements and brighten up the whole world. Also like a huge tree blocking away our sufferings of body and mind and allowing us to become peaceful and enter nirvana.
Hence even though they may be breaking away from the Yellow Hat Gelugpa sect and creating their own... never the less the essence of the teachings are still there. Like what beggar said...It is so brave of Serkong Rinpoche and his students to go their own way and find new methods to bring Dharma to more people.
I am sure once the Ban fizzles off, Dorje Shugden practices will be revived again and look how many of their following will be practising all over Tibet, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia etc...I rejoice and wish them much success in their works!
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Rejoice !
Another unconventional Master spreading Dharma in an unconventional way.
The external forms can always evolve to suit the time and needs of sentient beings as long as the essence of the teachings and motivation behind the change arise out of great compassion and wisdom.
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Awesome! What a beautiful temple!!! Much rejoicing for them.
They say pictures paint a thousand words and so indeed we see that there is no stopping them whether TGIE like it or not hehe.
What I like about these pictures is that despite all the criticism, look how grand and organised they are. How many thousands of people, followers can benefit from it. They are definitely not getting smaller, but instead bigger around the globe. Their centre is clean, neat and even the food they serve is so well presented and so inviting.
This is a clear indication to us all that Dorje Shugden practice is not evil. If it is evil, why would they be growing?
From their website they state:
Through Je Tsong Kha Pa, the Gelug teaching foundation – based in part on the Kadham tradition became well-known. In fact, Gelugpas were originally known as the New Kadhampas.
Through history and the changing of societies, Atisha’s spiritual tradition has never stopped continuously reappearing in Tibetan Buddhism. The 14th Dalai Lama and many great monks are Atisha’s followers.
As Kadhampa followers, we inherited the Kadhampa tradition lineage. Each practitioner should use his or her best efforts to learn Kadhampa teachings in detaching his or her life from all temporary worldly fame, gain and position.
A Practitioner does not just work for self enjoyment in his or her life, but should use all the efforts of his or her body, speech, and mind to search for happiness for all living beings and become a Mahayana practitioner as his or her goal.
Just like the wind spreading seeds to every corner of the world, we can see our dharma friends everywhere in Taiwan, Hong Kong, China, United States of America, Nepal, New Zealand, other Asian countries, etc spreading the Atisha’s heritage.
We want to help all living beings to be liberated from sufferings. Just like the sun and moon, throughout day and night, sweep away darkness and defilements and brighten up the whole world. Also like a huge tree blocking away our sufferings of body and mind and allowing us to become peaceful and enter nirvana.
Hence even though they may be breaking away from the Yellow Hat Gelugpa sect and creating their own... never the less the essence of the teachings are still there. Like what beggar said...It is so brave of Serkong Rinpoche and his students to go their own way and find new methods to bring Dharma to more people.
I am sure once the Ban fizzles off, Dorje Shugden practices will be revived again and look how many of their following will be practising all over Tibet, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia etc...I rejoice and wish them much success in their works!
Thanks to dsiluvu,
Could not agreed more and very well said statements!!! :D
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This is something to rejoice about for sure! Nice phots thnks @thaimonk.
In the midst of the ban, Serkong Tritul has to leave, out of the ashes springs a new place. Surely makes a cause for more in future to come about by supporting or even if able to sponsor the creation of Monastery.
If DS is so bad, why is the building going on and springing up regardless. The Nepal temple which can house 1000monks will be a sight to see!
I would travel there!
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Like the Phoenix that rises out of the ashes and spread its wings to fly into all the directions, like this Dorje Shugden's practice will grow and spread into the ten directions.
As I recall, Tibetan Buddhism only took off and spread worldwide after China's invasion of Tibet. If Tibet had not been invaded by China, Buddhism may remain closed and confined within the snow-covered walls of Shangri La. So, in losing their country, they are forced to flee. In fleeing, the gates and walls come down. The world learns of Buddhism.
So, why can't we all take the same positive view of the ban on Dorje Shugden? Why must we just brew in negativity and spew out venomous words against each other or other Lamas? What does that serve, really, and ultimately?
If there was no ban, nothing will be challenged, pushed, tried and provoked.
If there was no ban, life could possibly go on as before and it returns to its complacent and lethargic state.
How would that ultimately serve the spread of Dorje Shugden or Lama Tsongkhapa's teachings?
If there is one thing the ban has done for sure, it has given the practice of Dorje Shugden real urgency and importance.
Because of the ban, every practitioner, for the first time in his or her life, asks themselves - what does the practice mean to them? They begin to ask questions that they have taken for granted and never had to think about - how important is the practice to them? What will they do for the practice, to protect it and help it?
The Protector has helped many of us in so many ways, for so long. How do we help the Protector in return?
What does the Protector really want? Why did the Protector come into being in the first place?
If it has not crossed your mind yet, may be it is time we should seriously contemplate and open our eyes.
Are there more Dorje Shugden monasteries and temples being erected as we speak?
Is the growth and spread declining or increasing?
What does it all mean to you and me?
I'll say this from my heart -
Because of this Forum and all the ideas and contribution in the Forum, I have gained much knowledge and courage to do much more for our great Protector. And practice even harder for myself.
I used to be so afraid of people even finding out that I am a Shugden practitioner and I had to keep it a secret.
But in the end, as a result of others finding out, I get to see who my real friends are and who are not.
I get ostracized, but so what of it? Our Protector had endured greater pains than what I have gone through. All the high Lamas have endured greater hardships than little ol' me in my small little world and mind. Yet they did not give up. So, why should I even utter a word of complaint?
In the end, I get to see where I really stand and want to stand. And I chose to stand with the Protector. Because that's where I belong.
And would I endure much more for the Protector?
Indeed I would, without a doubt. Bring it on.
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Sign to declare you are not a Dorje Shugden practitioner is what TGIE requires. Well, this group of people rather busy devote their time to build a monastery and continue their practice instead of complying with what TGIE demands. How courageous as they will be faced with so much challenges! It is inspiring!
Much appreciation for the photos of this monastery and the activities of Serkong Rinpoche.
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Well said, DS Friend, well said.
See what others continue to do and how much more they continue to do. Why waste any more time and energy that bring no real benefit and result to anyone, including ourselves?
Peace :-*
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Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has been ex-communicated from Gaden and since then it has been said that he is in the most wanted list in the TGIE. Due to this, he has not left Taiwan for a long time. However, his organisation and people has so much results. What we have here are only pictures of the new temple in Taiwan. In the midst of the grand opening ceremony of this new temple, work is being done in another new temple in Kathmandu which you can see in the pictures attached. On top of this, Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has been sponsoring monks in Shar Gaden and also Serpom Monastery. Directly creating MORE Dorje Shugden scholars and worshippers.
Obviously, for all the good work which is put into this, Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's organisation MUST have good people and sponsors. And I'm VERY sure they practice Dorje Shugden. I'm very HAPPY and it shows that DS is growing very healthily even with all the controversial issues today.
TGIE and all the anti Shugden people NOW should asked themselves about their own growth or results ???
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Wow. This is really wonderful! How their work has flourished throughout parts of asia. The Taiwan Temple sure looks magnificence and the latest monastery in Nepal looks huge! Kudos to them! May Dorje Shugden spread to the ten directions!!!
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I went back to Taiwan for a short visit afew monks back and was so happy and proud to see another DS temple in my motherland. I was unable to take any photos as my camera ran out of battery. Thank you for posting these fabulous photos to share with everyone!
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I went back to Taiwan for a short visit afew monks back and was so happy and proud to see another DS temple in my motherland. I was unable to take any photos as my camera ran out of battery. Thank you for posting these fabulous photos to share with everyone!
Glad you went there and have you gone to Tian Mu for a visit??? :D
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in the pictures, I see the monastery has many monks... Just wondering if Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has lay practitioners and open initiation of Dorje Shugden to lay practitioners as well? Or the monastery is strictly for monks only. Just a thought crossed my mind...
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in the pictures, I see the monastery has many monks... Just wondering if Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has lay practitioners and open initiation of Dorje Shugden to lay practitioners as well? Or the monastery is strictly for monks only. Just a thought crossed my mind...
Sorry that there will be no longer initiation for Dorje shugden from Serkong tritul Rinpoche and the rest of the Kadhampas.
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Dear Lightning,
I mean what is your assessment of the Dorje Shugden do you think the ban will be lifted soon ? In light of the Dalai Lama now taking a back seat in the running of TGIE politically anyways or so it seems.
Is the system of study for the Kadhampas still using the lamrim or is there a major shift in terms of the study subject matters. Is the guru yoga then in relation to Lama Atisha instead of Lama Tsongkhapa?
Actually what do you think of the brochures distribution employed by this site? Will the brochures appeal to taiwanese people ?
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in the pictures, I see the monastery has many monks... Just wondering if Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has lay practitioners and open initiation of Dorje Shugden to lay practitioners as well? Or the monastery is strictly for monks only. Just a thought crossed my mind...
Sorry that there will be no longer initiation for Dorje shugden from Serkong tritul Rinpoche and the rest of the Kadhampas.
It is a pity such a great and powerful Lama has succumbed to the ban. I guess people don't know enough of what's happening in the monasteries and the Tibetan scene and are quick to believe the ban and the silly talk of its upholders. It is truly unfortunate but I do believe that Tritul Rinpoche, in private with his close students are keeping to his commitments. Otherwise, his organisation would not flourish and benefit so many. Tritul Rinpoche definitely have lay disciples and his appeal is massive. So. I am sure Tritul Rinpoche would have plenty of lay students to fundraise and build so much.
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in the pictures, I see the monastery has many monks... Just wondering if Serkong Tritul Rinpoche has lay practitioners and open initiation of Dorje Shugden to lay practitioners as well? Or the monastery is strictly for monks only. Just a thought crossed my mind...
Sorry that there will be no longer initiation for Dorje shugden from Serkong tritul Rinpoche and the rest of the Kadhampas.
It is a pity such a great and powerful Lama has succumbed to the ban. I guess people don't know enough of what's happening in the monasteries and the Tibetan scene and are quick to believe the ban and the silly talk of its upholders. It is truly unfortunate but I do believe that Tritul Rinpoche, in private with his close students are keeping to his commitments. Otherwise, his organisation would not flourish and benefit so many. Tritul Rinpoche definitely have lay disciples and his appeal is massive. So. I am sure Tritul Rinpoche would have plenty of lay students to fundraise and build so much.
Sorry, please kindly do not misunderstood that Serkong Tritul Rinpoche had succumbed to the the ban. Je Tsong Kha Pa came previously came forth to restore the purity of the Dharma, which is the reason why He erected New Kadhampa which is Geluppa despite of fierce opposition that He was facing.
Kadhampa teachings are placed more emphasis on Mahayana than Vajrayana teachings
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Please everyone must remember that Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is still supporting Shar Gaden and Serpom Monasteries financially. He definitely went underground from all the pressures he had to endure that we may not know much about. There's alot of religious politics in Taiwan.
If he had given up on Shugden he wouldn't be supporting those monasteries up till now which he is for a fact. :)
Mana
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Dear Lightning,
I mean what is your assessment of the Dorje Shugden do you think the ban will be lifted soon ? In light of the Dalai Lama now taking a back seat in the running of TGIE politically anyways or so it seems.
Is the system of study for the Kadhampas still using the lamrim or is there a major shift in terms of the study subject matters. Is the guru yoga then in relation to Lama Atisha instead of Lama Tsongkhapa?
Actually what do you think of the brochures distribution employed by this site? Will the brochures appeal to taiwanese people ?
Dear Dharmaspace.
1) Please kindly understand due to the sensitivity of this issue that I am in no position to comment on whether the ban will be lifted soon or not?
2) Lam Rim Chemmo was further improved by Je Tsong Khapa from Lamp to the path of Enlightenment composed by Aitsha. LamRim Chemmo is still being used by Kadhampas as lessons for oral transmission.
3) There is definitely Guru Yoga in relation to Atisha.
4) It will be more beneficial for sentient beings to introduce and educate the benefit of learning of Dharma or Lamrim though Gelug or Kadhamp Teachings.
Understanding about Dorje Shugden should be a secondary issue. Of course it is also important to educate about the truth of Dorje Shugden to clear misunderstanding created by the main stream in case those sincere devotees are frightened away . No offenses, but this is what I believed.
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Learning the Dharma, Three Principle Paths, Lam Rim, Madhayamaka, etc is the most important. There are so many qualified and capable Gelug Lamas who are banned because of their excercising their freedom to practice Dorje Shugden. They are told they have the freedom to practice, but when they do, they are ostracized, and branded negatively by the Tibetan Govt. Freedom to practice means no bias against anyone because of their religious beliefs.
Shugden's practice is last on the list of Dharma practice for sure. But until the Shugden ban and issue is cleared, the Lam Rim and dharma will be greatly hampered because the lamas who are so qualified to teach are banned and ostracized. Fewer teachers mean fewer teachings.
Therefore at this time it is very important to educate and propagate the understanding/practice of Shugden in order the teachers may teach and Lam Rim may grow. Shugden is by default the most important issue and perhaps in light of the above, very important to practice at this time to generate the merits to overcome what is not right along with Lam Rim.
Difficult times call for alternative that may have not been done in the past.
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Shugden is by default the most important issue and perhaps in light of the above, very important to practice at this time to generate the merits to overcome what is not right along with Lam Rim.
I begged to defer on this statement, as without Buddha teachings, there will not be no Dharma protectors and the correct primary emphasis should be on Dharma teachings such as Lam Rim and Vajrayana (Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhyasamaja etc). Practicing protector is part of Dharma practice, BUT it is NOT the main Dharma practise, Lam Rim is what we should be focusing on. Even if a Vajrayana yogin who does his/her homework diligently, abides by LamRim practices and uphold his vows/commitment and does not deliberately practiced on protector. He/ She will be constantly guarded by protectors like jewel without fail.
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Shugden is by default the most important issue and perhaps in light of the above, very important to practice at this time to generate the merits to overcome what is not right along with Lam Rim.
I begged to defer on this statement, as without Buddha teachings, there will not be no Dharma protectors and the correct primary emphasis should be on Dharma teachings such as Lam Rim and Vajrayana (Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhyasamaja etc). Practicing protector is part of Dharma practice, BUT it is NOT the main Dharma practise, Lam Rim is what we should be focusing on. Even if a Vajrayana yogin who does his/her homework diligently, abides by LamRim practices and uphold his vows/commitment and does not deliberately practiced on protector. He/ She will be constantly guarded by protectors like jewel without fail.
Buddha cannot help to wash away Sentient Beings negative karma.
Buddha cannot use hands to remove Sentient Beings sufferings
Buddha cannot transmit their attainments to Sentient Beings
Only can offer nectar of Dharma Teachings to help Sentient Beings to alleviate from sufferings.
We must never lose sight that Lam Rim is the essence of Buddha's 84000 teachings and such nectar of Dharma Teachings that can help us to alleviate from sufferings and attain small happiness to everlasting happiness of Enlightenment of Buddhahood.
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Shugden is by default the most important issue and perhaps in light of the above, very important to practice at this time to generate the merits to overcome what is not right along with Lam Rim.
I begged to defer on this statement, as without Buddha teachings, there will not be no Dharma protectors and the correct primary emphasis should be on Dharma teachings such as Lam Rim and Vajrayana (Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhyasamaja etc). Practicing protector is part of Dharma practice, BUT it is NOT the main Dharma practise, Lam Rim is what we should be focusing on. Even if a Vajrayana yogin who does his/her homework diligently, abides by LamRim practices and uphold his vows/commitment and does not deliberately practiced on protector. He/ She will be constantly guarded by protectors like jewel without fail.
You didn't understand the example and point I am making. But nevermind. It's not important.
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Shugden is by default the most important issue and perhaps in light of the above, very important to practice at this time to generate the merits to overcome what is not right along with Lam Rim.
I begged to defer on this statement, as without Buddha teachings, there will not be no Dharma protectors and the correct primary emphasis should be on Dharma teachings such as Lam Rim and Vajrayana (Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhyasamaja etc). Practicing protector is part of Dharma practice, BUT it is NOT the main Dharma practise, Lam Rim is what we should be focusing on. Even if a Vajrayana yogin who does his/her homework diligently, abides by LamRim practices and uphold his vows/commitment and does not deliberately practiced on protector. He/ She will be constantly guarded by protectors like jewel without fail.
You didn't understand the example and point I am making. But nevermind. It's not important.
I think what TK is trying to say is that during this testing times of degeneration, our Dharma protector Dorje Shugden is most needed now to help us accumulate the merits. It is with merits that we can actually internalise the Lam Rim instead of just lip service or know it theoretically. Dharma protectors as we all know helps us gain the conducive conditions to practice and pushes us to be on the right track when we are not and gives us strength to continue when we are down. And Dorje Shugden is the most swiftest Dharma Protector now as times get more and more degenerate... DS becomes more and more stronger in helping practitioners.
So yes we must do our Lam Rim practices etc but cup with DS practice to help us achieve our goals that is to internalise the Lam Rim. It is like taking Vitamins plus minerals. Without the minerals the vitamins cannot be absorbed...both are important. Correct me if I am not understanding right.
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Wow. Serkong Tritul's temple is truly grand and he already has so many disciples. His protege, Dromtung Rinpoche is also very popular amongst the Chinese speaking world. If I am not mistaken, he has also written an open letter, to debate with the Dalai Lama on the Dorje Shugden ban and how ridiculous it actually is to blame Dorje Shugden for every misfortune that has befell the CTA or some Gelug Lama. I applaud his actions as it is really fearless.
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I visited Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's monastery in Taiwan, this temple is real grand and HUGE. But that's no single picture or image of Dorje Shugden in the temple, even though my friends told me that they do practice Dorje shugden. I'm sure Serkong Rinpoche and his followers are going through a lot of pressure from the ban.
Attached is a conversation between me and one of my friend, who's also Serkong Rinpoche's student.
A: myself B: my friend
A1: very good...
B1: my precious guru
A2: do you guys practice Dorje Shugden too ?
B2: my teacher said Kadampa don't practice, but if one wish to practice also no problem, and I started my practice (since then)
A3: do you do any of his practice ? like mantra or etc?
B3: Om Vajrabiki Mindana Svaha, yes i always practice the mantra
A4: who teach you that ?
B4: an old nun from Khadampa, her name is Wisdom Lutus
from the answer, it can easily tell all the senior members from Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's monastery still practicing DS and promoting DS in a more subtle way, which encourage their student to practice without related back to Tritul Rinpoche.
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As most people know Serkong Tritul Rinpoche was formally from Ganden Jangtse Monastery but was expelled by instructions of the Dalai Lama in 2008. Here is an account what what happened on the day Serkong Rinpoche was removed. While it is not new news, it is good for everyone to read again the torment Shugden practitioners have had to endure as the result of the ban:
In the afternoon, the Dalai Lama convened a meeting in Drepung monastery, which was attended by Kolon Samdong Lama, Tsering Phuntsok, the Tibetan minister of Culture and Religion, abbots and ex-abbots. The Dalai Lama urged them to take action to clean up Shugden devotees. He reprimanded the abbots of Jangtse and Shartse monasteries for not taking a rigid stand against Shugden devotees.
The Dalai Lama rebuked the Shartse abbot: "Shugden devotees are growing in your monastery. If you are this inept, you had better resign." The Dalai Lama also reprimanded the Jangtse abbot: “You said that the monastery is clean, but there are still some Shugden devotees. You must do better."
Later that night, Jangtse monastery held a meeting about the signature and oath to give up the worship of Shugden to be taken by every monk. In this very meeting, Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and Geshe Tsultrim were expelled from the monastery because they worship Dorje Shugden.
It is difficult to imagine how terrible it must have been for Serkong Rinpoche and Geshe Tsultrim to just lose their home and place of practice in a blink of a eye. Against this backdrop, Serkong Rinpoche just moved on with his practice and in a few short years he managed to establish monasteries in Taiwan and Nepal to benefit people through the Dharma while the anti-Shugden folks are still spinning the same old lies. How could Serkong Tritul Rinpoche have done that without the blessings of the Protector and anyway, what kind of evil spirit goes around helping lamas build more centres to spread the Buddha's teachings?
I was hoping to see beautiful big statues of Dorje Shugden in the new monastery but I am sure in a short time to come, Dorje Shugden will takes his place there. That Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is supporting Shar Ganden and Serpom Monastery tells us a lot about his relationship with the Protector and it doesn't matter what the rumours are.
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It is difficult to imagine how terrible it must have been for Serkong Rinpoche and Geshe Tsultrim to just lose their home and place of practice in a blink of a eye. Against this backdrop, Serkong Rinpoche just moved on with his practice and in a few short years he managed to establish monasteries in Taiwan and Nepal to benefit people through the Dharma while the anti-Shugden folks are still spinning the same old lies. How could Serkong Tritul Rinpoche have done that without the blessings of the Protector and anyway, what kind of evil spirit goes around helping lamas build more centres to spread the Buddha's teachings?
But as they lose their home, they gained more than what they have lost in the first place: Serkong Tritul Rinpoche, like Geshe Keslang Gyatso, opened a new tradition altogether, the Khadampa Tradition and instead of the Gelug hat, he and his adherents wear Atisha's red hat. He is very well funded and has a huge following in the chinese speaking world. He also recognized an incarnation of Dromtopa, Dromtung Rinpoche who was born in Singapore as well, strengthening their influence in the Chinese community around the world (which is huge, by the way) and he also opened up a huge monastery with so many followers. Again, it is not the loss of Serkong Tritul because he does have the karma to build such a huge monastery and to gather much followers, and i have not heard of the CTA expanding or up keeping any of their monasteries at home.
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It is difficult to imagine how terrible it must have been for Serkong Rinpoche and Geshe Tsultrim to just lose their home and place of practice in a blink of a eye. Against this backdrop, Serkong Rinpoche just moved on with his practice and in a few short years he managed to establish monasteries in Taiwan and Nepal to benefit people through the Dharma while the anti-Shugden folks are still spinning the same old lies. How could Serkong Tritul Rinpoche have done that without the blessings of the Protector and anyway, what kind of evil spirit goes around helping lamas build more centres to spread the Buddha's teachings?
But as they lose their home, they gained more than what they have lost in the first place: Serkong Tritul Rinpoche, like Geshe Keslang Gyatso, opened a new tradition altogether, the Khadampa Tradition and instead of the Gelug hat, he and his adherents wear Atisha's red hat. He is very well funded and has a huge following in the chinese speaking world. He also recognized an incarnation of Dromtopa, Dromtung Rinpoche who was born in Singapore as well, strengthening their influence in the Chinese community around the world (which is huge, by the way) and he also opened up a huge monastery with so many followers. Again, it is not the loss of Serkong Tritul because he does have the karma to build such a huge monastery and to gather much followers, and i have not heard of the CTA expanding or up keeping any of their monasteries at home.
Allow me to kindly make some corrections... ;)
Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the Incarnation of Lord Jovo Atisha, whereas Jamseng Rinpoche, who is now renamed as Dromtug Rinpoche is the Incarnation of Lord Dromtompa. Dromtug Rinpoche is born in Taiwan and set up His base in Singapore and spread Dhrama upward to Malaysia, then though South East Asia, then to other parts of the world where sentinent beings can benefit of His Dharma teachings.
Dromtug Rinpoche once had mentioned that although outwardly practised Protector Acchala, but secretly or inwardly blend the practice of Dorje Shugden. One also can blend Palden Lhamo into Mahakala practise as well without conflict.
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Dear lightning,
I am sure, Tritul Rinpoche and Dromtug / Jamseng Rinpoche are still practicing Dorje Shugden. If they are who they say they are, they should be holding on to their commitments, they would be practicing Dorje Shugden regardless of the situation. Its a pity, politics can force a great incarnate Lama along with his entire organisation to cover and hide their practice. It almost seemed like an overnight removal of Dorje Shugden and the installation of the old Achala practice. It is all very strange but obvious what the intentions are meant to achieve.
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Allow me to kindly make some corrections... ;)
Serkong Tritul Rinpoche is the Incarnation of Lord Jovo Atisha, whereas Jamseng Rinpoche, who is now renamed as Dromtug Rinpoche is the Incarnation of Lord Dromtompa. Dromtug Rinpoche is born in Taiwan and set up His base in Singapore and spread Dhrama upward to Malaysia, then though South East Asia, then to other parts of the world where sentinent beings can benefit of His Dharma teachings.
Dromtug Rinpoche once had mentioned that although outwardly practised Protector Acchala, but secretly or inwardly blend the practice of Dorje Shugden. One also can blend Palden Lhamo into Mahakala practise as well without conflict.
Thanks for the additional info! I didint know about that until you mentioned as Serkong Tritul is not exactly well known in the english speaking world. But I am quite impressed by how he has established himself, within a span of 20 years or so he has managed to lead most of the Chinese speaking Gelug people, by understanding them and adapting Tibetan Buddhist teachings into Chinese culture and thinking. I see what you mean by inwardly blending Dorje Shugden into Acala's practice, as Dharma protectors since their functions are the same there is no problems with one or the other. It also helps to not confuse the newbies with Dorje Shugden's form. It's really amazing what they have done!
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I heard Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's monastery in Nepal just had their official opening on 1/1/13, does anyone heard anything about it? I found some pictures on the internet which we can see already have some sangha living in the new Jovo Kadampa Monastery in Nepal, it's stated that this is the biggest monastery in Nepal.
I'm really happy to see this, as we know even though Kadampa or any other DS practitioners are facing a lot of unnecessary difficulties to spread DS lineage, but none of us is backing down but pushing to be better, it's not about who win or lost but to protect our own linage that passed down by masters since hundred years ago.
Really rejoice on all Serkong Tritrul Rinpoche's achievement on the new monastery in Nepal, thank you for showing the world the blessing from our protector so the pure Gaden lineage will continue for many more years.
I came across some latest photos on Jovo Kadampa Monastery in Nepal, let's rejoice.
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i rejoice in the wonderful works of Serkong Tritul Rinpoche. This new grand temple is indeed grand and where it stands and what it represents tells us how much hard work and dedication has gone into making this place available for people to pray and practice.
Serkong Tritul Rinpoche really has it all well thought out when he built this place of practice. You could tell by the details shown in these pictures. Even the food presentation in the canteen is so well taken cared of.
I sincerely pray that the Dharma work of this community will continue to bring in the benefit and happiness to those who come into contact with it.
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I heard Serkong Tritul Rinpoche's monastery in Nepal just had their official opening on 1/1/13, does anyone heard anything about it? I found some pictures on the internet which we can see already have some sangha living in the new Jovo Kadampa Monastery in Nepal, it's stated that this is the biggest monastery in Nepal.
I'm really happy to see this, as we know even though Kadampa or any other DS practitioners are facing a lot of unnecessary difficulties to spread DS lineage, but none of us is backing down but pushing to be better, it's not about who win or lost but to protect our own linage that passed down by masters since hundred years ago.
Really rejoice on all Serkong Tritrul Rinpoche's achievement on the new monastery in Nepal, thank you for showing the world the blessing from our protector so the pure Gaden lineage will continue for many more years.
I came across some latest photos on Jovo Kadampa Monastery in Nepal, let's rejoice.
Once again, Serkong Tritul Rinpoche shows his capabilities as a high lama and by extension, Dorje Shugden's capabilities as a Dharma protector for clearing obstacles and raking in the resources for such huge projects. Can we safely say that Serkong Tritul's great monasteries opening is Dorje Shugden's testament to his strength and power to benefit others and for Dharma to grow? To me, results speak louder than nice words, excuses and rumor mongering. Serkong Tritul Rinpoche did not criticize the Dalai Lama directly but he made people rethink their alliance with the Dalai Lama with an open letter that the Dalai Lama has yet to reply to and he shows a quick wit and a sharp tongue as well as intelligence and wisdom. It would be interesting to see how much more the Khadampa will grow.
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Another sect of Tibetan Buddhism formed because they had to in order to avoid persecution from CTA. Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and his disciples are getting bigger and bigger like NKT.
They have the same protector, Dorje Shugden. Can a spirit perform such great task to spread the Holy Dharma? Any logical mind will say no. So what is the CTA and Dalai Lama proclaiming?
Time for CTA and Dalai Lama to put ''things right''. Lift the Ban!!!!!!!