dorjeshugden.com
About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Zach on January 07, 2011, 11:28:33 AM
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http://antishugden.com/
Is it me or has the link died ?
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Sad to say, I clicked on the link and they still seem to be alive and kicking :P :o
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Nope says cannot find server here :D
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ditto Lineageholder... yep... no problems with the site at all...
doesn't look like the site is updated though... oh well.
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ditto Lineageholder... yep... no problems with the site at all...
doesn't look like the site is updated though... oh well.
Nobody really care to champion such a unworthy cause. I think people are really smarter and rather stick with the truth, hence this website has more hits, updates and just so much more to offer than their website. In fact, their website is as good as dead.
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The site seems to work....maybe the administrators of DS.com should delete this post? This forum does have thousands of people reading daily.
However, ditto with WB, their site is as good as dead.
Plus they don't have anything logical or substantial on their website anyways.
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Their site, like many have mentioned here, is as good as dead.
The last update was in October 2010.
I read some of their 'recent post" which was in October 2010, people used vulgar language and even the four letter "Fxxx" word, very uncivilised. I wonder how a post with such language was posted.
I much prefer the open and civilised way of discussion here at the forum. Plus they have nothing much interesting really, here at this web site, we can learn so much about our lineage masters and buddhism in general. We can discuss each topic based on facts and logic. Once again, this is the best Dorje Shugden website I have ever found on the web!!!
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The link is still alive but to me it is as good as dead as the last posting was on 31st October 2010. I guess most people want to seek the the truth and prefer this website :)
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saddest thing about this link is that they are supposedly acting in support of the Dalai Lama - but all the obscenities and totally disgusting images they post up there, defacing Geshe Kelsang Gyatso just show them up as terrible representations of the very person they are trying to defend, promote and elevate.
Is this how a Buddhist acts? Is this how a follower of the Buddha of Compassion writes and behaves?
The website speaks for itself - it would disgust anyone, whether you're for or against Dalai Lama, or for or against Dorje Shugden. It is anti any sense of decency.
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[url]http://antishugden.com/[/url]
Is it me or has the link died ?
The link is alive but as good as dead because people are smart. The antishugden website may have fooled people at the beginning using DL but through time, logical thinking and unbiased information posted up on sites such as DS.COM people will discern truth from lies.
Well, action speaks for itself .... that's why it's last update is October 2010.
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You must go to the website and take a look now... They have just posted an apology!!
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I've attached a copy of what's up on the website at the moment (a screenshot).
There's some discussion on this on Facebook. Most interesting is how quick people have been to say it's a hoax. Whether or not it is, it's not for anything bad is it - at the very least, it creates the causes for what it's saying to really happen. If it's true, then all the power to the people of Gangchen Kyishong for daring to stand up for what is true and right.
If it isn't, then at the very least may it embarrass the people of Gangchen Kyishong into actually doing something to change the Dorje Shugden ban and situation.
Whether it's "real" or not is besides the point. I think this presents good insights and explanations to the nature of the situation as it currently is, and simultaneously shares the truth of the nature of Dorje Shugden, as an enlightened Buddha. As I said, it creates the causes for the truth to be unravelled - at the most basic level, it will encourage people to look into what all this really means. Is he a Buddha or isn't he? they'll ask, and go onward to explore. At the very least, this apology plants positive imprints about the nature of Shugden in anyone who reads it.
Like they say, eh? All publicity is good publicity!
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When I first saw this of FB I was really so shock and a part of me was happy and the other was like really...could the tables have turned overnight just like that? Gosh it would make so many of us really happy and relief.
Oh Well even if it is a virus attacked on antishugden or a hoax.... really it is perfectly wonderful! because all those who click on this site will immediately see this apology!
Yes we are all discussing this on FB now and well lets make it viral and share share share. You know what they say that if you repeat something long enough and repeatedly...even if it is not TRUE is will become TRUE.
So lets share it to as many people as possible ;)
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How real and sincere is this antishugden apology? Anyway, whoever bumps into this site especially for those who are currently antishugden followers...take a step back and ponder why is DS a spirit/demon if He protects and propitiates the Buddha Dharma and Tsongkhapa teachings. He holds vows as a monk and is showing example to all from his image as a Dharma protector, whether he is in peaceful or wraftful form.
Do some research and thinking on yourself and avoid following the big crowd of "oh. he is a demon and Dalai lam bans it". If you happens to receive an image of him, create a cause to get connected with him and take a step forward to know him better. :)
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I find the whole anti Shugden movement hilarious.
1) if you dont want people to know about him, STOP MENTIONING HIS NAME
2) if you dont want people to talk about him, STOP DISCUSSING HIM
3) if you dont want people to see him, stop putting his images everywhere! Whether or not hes got a red Stop sign in front of him is irrelevant...if you can still see his face, you can still make a connection
DOH!
Then again, their stupidity makes our life much easier in spreading Dorje Shugden hahaha
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Yup! i just saw the FB post about they apologizing about the whole anti Dorje Dhugden and pointing their finger to CTA. I feel kind of relieve that finally they came to their senses that they are actually going against a Buddha who can help them tremendously. Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being. Some claiming this is a hoax or hacked or got virus planted. Well let's hope this is for real!
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Like I mentioned in some of my replies, those who anti Shugden actually indirectly plant imprint in people so in coming life they can connect with the protector. I remember I learned that even reciting the name Dorje Shugden plants imprint into our mindstream, upon seeing an image of the protector plants imprint too. So imagine all these anti Shugden associations etc have indirectly spread dharma in their way but the sad truth is, it took them so long to realize that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha and not a spirit.
It is time for the anti shugden people to allow some books on Dorje Shugden to study well and get a better understanding now. :p
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I find the whole anti Shugden movement hilarious.
1) if you dont want people to know about him, STOP MENTIONING HIS NAME
2) if you dont want people to talk about him, STOP DISCUSSING HIM
3) if you dont want people to see him, stop putting his images everywhere! Whether or not hes got a red Stop sign in front of him is irrelevant...if you can still see his face, you can still make a connection
DOH!
Then again, their stupidity makes our life much easier in spreading Dorje Shugden hahaha
That is another interesting point, really. HHDL talks aout Dorje Shugden non stop and a lot whenever he gives teachings and ask people not to practice him when the other traditions who want to get rid of Dorje Shugden, dont even want to mention his name and even went to the extent of saying that it brings bad luck to even say Dorje Shugden's name! How funny! but they just want the practice dead.
The sakyas have really taken it to the extremes with the ban. They immediately erased all references to Dorje Shugden, even to the extent of omitting bebums of masters of the Sakya lineage that was either an incarnation of Shudgen or have taught extensively about Dorje Shugden and their works were either destroyed or obscured, then tell everyone that Dorje Shugden was minor and unenlightened.
The kagyus and nyingmas follows HHDL's words on Dorje Shugden, that he is a ghost and that even mentioning his name brings bad luck and therefore nobody should even read or even speak of him. Interesting strategy to curb Dorje Shugden and his practice and imprints from the people! By means of superstition and faith, Dorje Shugden is suppressed and somewhat erased from their traditions.
But there are many not so smart people in this world who think that the safe route is to follow the highest lama in the land and they will be safe but refuse to do much investigations on them. And, the strategy of the other 3 traditions with regards to Dorje Shugden is very different as compared to the way the Dalai Lama is doing it. They really are genuinely against, while the Dalai Lama is just a farce when it comes to the ban.
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I find the whole anti Shugden movement hilarious.
1) if you dont want people to know about him, STOP MENTIONING HIS NAME
2) if you dont want people to talk about him, STOP DISCUSSING HIM
3) if you dont want people to see him, stop putting his images everywhere! Whether or not hes got a red Stop sign in front of him is irrelevant...if you can still see his face, you can still make a connection
DOH!
Then again, their stupidity makes our life much easier in spreading Dorje Shugden hahaha
How true, common sense huh?
There are many email addresses of anti-shugdens here: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=242.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=242.0) and http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=155.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=155.0)
I browsed through and saw email addresses of members of CTA! Should we send them emails to THANK THEM for helping spread the cause of Dorje Shugden? Well can't help it to say, HH the Dalai Lama is the greatest marketer of Dorje Shugden. Each time He mentions the name, many people will check it out and research on it. And when they find out Dorje Shugden is indeed a Buddha who is out there to benefit us, we have more practitioners!
Thank you Dalai Lama! Thank you CTA! Oh can't help to realize also, whenever the Dalai Lama speaks badly about Dorje Shugden, the Chinese people will LOVE Dorje Shugden more and practice him diligently. Ain't that amazing?
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OMG! The notice is still up. I initially thought that this could be just a zealous Shugden practitioner's handiwork. However, the notice is still up! Could it be true? Perhaps, this is all part of an elaborate plan to come out with an official apology. If it is, why are they taking sure a long time to come out with an official apology via an official statement instead of posting it on a defunct website.
On the other hand, it could be really just a hack attack but the Central Tibetan Administration just don't have the budget to maintain the website not is able to take the notice off and resume operations. Come to think of it, that is very likely considering how the Tibetans run the CTA. Anybody know what is going on and what's happening from their side?
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This is very confusing. If the CTA truly apologises for banning Dorje Shudgen as written in the apology on www.antishugden.com (http://www.antishugden.com), then why is this page http://tibet.net/dolgyal-related-statements-and-resolutions/ (http://tibet.net/dolgyal-related-statements-and-resolutions/) still on CTA's website?
I think someone must have hacked into antishugden.com and CTA just left it because it'll cost them too much money to resolve it.
Like some of you say, it's good publicity anyway for others to read when they search on www.antishugden.com (http://www.antishugden.com)
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They are definitely not "dead" but as time goes by, I think that there are more people who are slowly realising and understanding some facts about the Dorje Shugden issues and ban. Most of the people know about the truths, some would change their perceptions and move on but some just prefer to stick to their blind faith and continue to go against something they don't even know enough about.
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ROFLMAO I know this post had been on since 2012 replying to this one would be like grave digging. The domain could either been hacked or abandoned and a Shugdenpa took over and convert it to pro-Shugden web-site! Wonder how the ex-owner might feel right now? I find it amusing nevertheless! : D
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Many a times, i've found not so savoury language and attitude among shugdenpas. if we are not careful, we will be no better then the anti-shugden movement proponents. That, indeed, will be a sad day.