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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: DSFriend on June 20, 2011, 11:14:42 AM
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Source : http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/2bhddt/Article/ (http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/2bhddt/Article/)
IPOH: Thousands of Buddhists thronged the Ipoh Kadhampa Buddhist Centre here to see Buddha's relics and Tibetan Buddhism decorations and antiques.
The seven-day event called Millennium Secrets: Buddha Relics and Tibetan Antiques Exhibition was organised by the Malaysia Kadhampa Buddhist Association with the Ipoh Kadhampa Buddhist Centre.
Devotees and visitors also received blessing from His Holiness Dromtug Rinpoche during the exhibition which was held from May 27 to June 2.
The Rinpoche, who is based in Singapore, is one of the highest-ranking Lamas and is recognised by Serkong Tritul Rinpoche, a great lineage of the Kadhampa School of Tibetan Buddhism.
Rinpoche also presided over a fire pooja on the last day of the exhibition which was attended by thousands of devotees.
Among the guests-of-honour were Ipoh Barat member of parliament M.Kulasegaran, Ipoh-based Siribunyamaggarama Thai Buddhist Temple's abbot Phra Ajaan Liang Pemaseelo and Laity committee chairman William Tan.
Among the relics on show were articles belonging to Buddha such as his bones and blood.
Organising committee chairman Steven Chen said the exhibition had attracted over 40,000 devotees and visitors.
Rinpoche said there will be a few fire pooja on Aug 21 at 10am and classes on Lam Rim (stages of the path) between 7.30pm and 10pm on Aug 22 and 23.
The event will be held at the Ipoh Kadhampa Buddhist Centre, 55 and 57, Persiaran Bercham Timur 1, Taman Bercham Baru, Ipoh.
For details, call 05-536 6544. -- By Jaspal Singh
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40000 people came to hear and learn about Buddha. Isn't that great. Rejoicing in Serkong Rinpoche's works.
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Ven Jamseng Rinpoche and Serkong Tritul Rinpoche cannot be stopped. From sponsoring Shar Gaden-Serpom, building Monasteries in Nepal, Tibet, Taiwan, having centres in Asia, to relics festivals. They really can do so much to promote Dharma. Their presence in Malaysia and Singapore is strong.
They have been marginalized by the Tibetan Govt in Exile because they do Shugden practice yet cannot be surpressed.
I rejoice to see this event in Ipoh, Malaysia. Thanks for the post.
(picture below is the event from the article)
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I wish to see more of such dharma activities where I am, it is such a great honour to live in the same time zone with great lamas such as Serkong Tritul Rinpoche, it would be my wish to participate in such meritorious dharma activities.
May Dorje Shugden's practise spread far and wide, to benefit all.
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Serkong Rinpoche’s works indicate that nowadays many more people are relying religion practice to achieve inner peace.
Rejoicing to know there is such attraction for Buddhism activities in Malaysia :)
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This is joyful news , Dorje Shugden spreads again to all corners of the world and this time in a developed nation like Malaysia.
May the people there be able to learn the Lam RIm and progress swiftly on the path to enlightenment.
Thank you for sharing wonderful news!
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Wow! I didn't know that Tibetan Buddhism is so active in Malaysia and Singapore! The amount of visitors they attracted is massive, 40, 000 visitors! Dharma has spread everywhere, amazing. Ven Jamseng Rinpoche and Serkong Tritul Rinpoche and the devotees really worked so hard for dharma to spread. I rejoice for them. So many people in Malaysia and Singapore will get to practice and learn dharma. Wonderful!
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This is joyful news , Dorje Shugden spreads again to all corners of the world and this time in a developed nation like Malaysia.
May the people there be able to learn the Lam RIm and progress swiftly on the path to enlightenment.
Thank you for sharing wonderful news!
I agree. Certainly Malaysia and Singapore are very fortunate to have this lama in their midst. It seems Ven Jamseng Rinpoche and large group are very active in Malaysia. They are spreading Dorje Shugden quietly in Malaysia and Singapore. I hope they grow more. Wonderful to see.
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I rejoice to read this news although I had thought that Malaysia was a Muslim country, but with 40,000 Buddhists attending the ceremony, it shows how influential Serkong Rinpoche and Dromtug Rinpoche are. It is a pity that the Kadhampa group have distanced themselves publicly from Shugden but i am happy to hear that they are supporting the Shugden monasteries. i am sure they are keeping a low profile on their Dorje Shugden practice for good reasons and Dorje Shugden must be approving of their stance by the growth of their activities.
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40,000? Not bad! Nice to know that many people will eventually be exposed to the practice once they've developed faith in their lamas.
WB, not just how influential but how supportive the government are? Not quite sure ol' Dave would be so chuffed to let Serkong Rinpoche and Dromtug Rinpoche and co. put on an exhibition of such scale, what with all the controversy surrounding them and Dorje Shugden, and how pro-TGIE our government's usually been
I can already hear it...complaints about unnecessary rises in policing expenditure to protect a bunch of monks who do nothing but cause trouble (well that's what the village bumpkins will say)...in some way, the Indian government are so much better and so much less hypocritical about protecting freedom of religion, since they protect the Shar Gaden monks when they ask for help.
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I have noticed that the works of lamas who are practitioners and devotees of Dorje Shugden are always spreading like wide fire. It is indeed great to hear of such a buddha's relics exhibition held in Malaysia and that 40,000 people have visited.
Irrespecitive of the ban and suppression, these high lamas continue to do their work in building more temples that enshrine the holy teachings, giving out more DS initiations to practitioners, and even holding large scale exhibitions.
I have heard that Dorje Shugden has the power equivalent to 1000 dharma protectors, and that at this degenerated age, only Dorje Shugden will be able to preserve the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa and spread it in the ten directions.
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It's very good to hear news like this, and that the Malaysian government would allow something like this by a Lama who is supposedly controversial. Isn't Malaysia a muslim country? This makes it all the more amazing.
DharmaDefender - it's a tough one isn't it? It's a very unfortunate thing that Tibetan politics become such a part of other countries' policies towards helping Sangha ("a bunch of monks" who do genuinely need help and welfare!). I always find this phenomenon quite disturbing. There are many Dharma centres throughout many parts of the world who are no where geographically near the Tibetan refugee community in India or Tibet itself, but they involve the Tibetan politics within their own country's policies towards Buddhism in general - that they also ostracise Dorje Shugden practitioners or play centres against each other. That's very strange - in countries where Buddhism isn't strong (and let's face it, few countries around the world are as strong as Tibet; and those who are strong, follow different traditions anyway and stay out of the politics), shouldn't Buddhists all support each other and encourage each other? Instead of pushing a whole other government's policies on each other?
Yes, there will be differences in practices, approaches, thought but this doesn't necessarily have to lead to conflict. Whatever happened to agreeing to disagree, and continuing to live harmoniously....? I guess I can understand why the teachers always warn us that Buddhism will destroy itself from the inside.
Well, I rejoice to see the strength and growth of Jamseng Rinpoche and his students, centre and Dharma work in Malaysia. They are very fortunate to be able to practice peacefully and see such growth. Whatever politics they may face, they have proven to be real true Buddhists by never acting in any negative ways; instead, there is only growth, goodness and benefit they bring to their community. I understand Serkong Tritul Rinpoche (who recognised Jamseng Rinpoche) also has tremendous success and there are new several centres being built around the world!
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I have noticed that the works of lamas who are practitioners and devotees of Dorje Shugden are always spreading like wide fire. It is indeed great to hear of such a buddha's relics exhibition held in Malaysia and that 40,000 people have visited.
Irrespecitive of the ban and suppression, these high lamas continue to do their work in building more temples that enshrine the holy teachings, giving out more DS initiations to practitioners, and even holding large scale exhibitions.
I have heard that Dorje Shugden has the power equivalent to 1000 dharma protectors, and that at this degenerated age, only Dorje Shugden will be able to preserve the lineage of Lama Tsongkhapa and spread it in the ten directions.
yes, the ban did not surpress this group. I am sure they practice dorje shugden but quietly and what is beautiful, is that they continue to reach out to the public via the exhibitions. It sure does show their motivation is to benefit others and work skillfully with the current religious "climate"
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Wow! It's amazing to witness the power of Dorje Shugden and the amazing faith, strength and determination of these great Lamas who are propagating Dorje Shugden's lineage. Even when facing so much discrimination, obstacles from within and without, these great Lamas are able to perform such amazing feats. They are able to perform such an amazing feat to spread Dharma in a predominantly Muslim country. There is a sizable Chinese population in Malaysia of different faiths. May many come to the Dharma. May many come to the Dharma because of Dorje Shugden, these great Lamas and all their faithful students.
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This really a WOW!!!
I have heard the Tibetan Buddhism in Singapore but not that much in Malaysia.
It’s good to know that Tibetan Buddhism is well received in Malaysia where as far as I know this is a Muslim country just like Indonesia.
This really shows that believing in Dorje Shugden with full devotion & full determination in his practice one spiritual practice can even grow in such Muslim country.
Great prove!!!!
Rejoice!!!!
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The truth always prevails. How can the truth be suppressed? Hence the truth of Dorje Shugden practice shall naturally prevail and increase, it cannot be suppressed.
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My Taiwanese friend passed me a book filled with pictures of Jamseng Rinpoche and all his activities and people he met. One of the photos is that of him with the ex Prime Minister of Malaysia His Excellency Mr Badawi and also Michelle Yeoh. I know Jamseng Rinpoche is quite well known here in Taiwan. Now i read that he has held big exhibition in Malaysia. Does that mean that Dorje Shugden practice is recognised in Malaysia?
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My Taiwanese friend passed me a book filled with pictures of Jamseng Rinpoche and all his activities and people he met. One of the photos is that of him with the ex Prime Minister of Malaysia His Excellency Mr Badawi and also Michelle Yeoh. I know Jamseng Rinpoche is quite well known here in Taiwan. Now i read that he has held big exhibition in Malaysia. Does that mean that Dorje Shugden practice is recognised in Malaysia?
I don't know much about Malaysia but all I've heard is that their country's main religion is Islam. But unlike other Islamic countries...theirs has great racial and religious tolerance and harmony. Something like Singapore. Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, Taoism etc all being practised and each individual religious group does their own thing and carries on their beliefs as long as no one beaks any LAW!
So I do not feel surprised that Jamseng Rinpoche had a great exhibition there, seeing Malaysia and Taiwan is rather close. And if DS is being practice there...then hurray...I'd rejoice for them and hope they will make it big :) I hope Jamseng Rinpoche's good works will spread, he is not doing anything wrong except spreading the Dharma.
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My Taiwanese friend passed me a book filled with pictures of Jamseng Rinpoche and all his activities and people he met. One of the photos is that of him with the ex Prime Minister of Malaysia His Excellency Mr Badawi and also Michelle Yeoh. I know Jamseng Rinpoche is quite well known here in Taiwan. Now i read that he has held big exhibition in Malaysia. Does that mean that Dorje Shugden practice is recognised in Malaysia?
I am sorry that Kadhampa (Green sect) do not advocate Dorje Shugden practice anymore as from 1 Jan 2008 onwards, No mass practice and empowerment for Dorje Shugden. We will resume the practise of Kadhampa ways as expound by Lord Atisha, plus other highest yoga tantra like Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhasmaja etc.
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Lightning - i'm sorry to hear that the Kadhampa do not advocate Dorje Shugden practice anymore. Was this because of Tibetan politics? I did hear that many sponsors pulled out because of the Shugden controversy which is sad.
However, i'm curious - do some Kadhampa practitioners still do Dorje Shugden practice in their personal capacity? Surely it would be a sacred practice received by many of the pre-2008 Kadhampas?
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Dear lightning,
How does one stop practicing? Do they just stop according to their whim and fancy or they go back and 'return' it to the Lama who gave them the practice? From where I come from, it is unheard of to stop doing a practice given by one's Lama.
My Taiwanese friend passed me a book filled with pictures of Jamseng Rinpoche and all his activities and people he met. One of the photos is that of him with the ex Prime Minister of Malaysia His Excellency Mr Badawi and also Michelle Yeoh. I know Jamseng Rinpoche is quite well known here in Taiwan. Now i read that he has held big exhibition in Malaysia. Does that mean that Dorje Shugden practice is recognised in Malaysia?
I am sorry that Kadhampa (Green sect) do not advocate Dorje Shugden practice anymore as from 1 Jan 2008 onwards, No mass practice and empowerment for Dorje Shugden. We will resume the practise of Kadhampa ways as expound by Lord Atisha, plus other highest yoga tantra like Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhasmaja etc.
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My Taiwanese friend passed me a book filled with pictures of Jamseng Rinpoche and all his activities and people he met. One of the photos is that of him with the ex Prime Minister of Malaysia His Excellency Mr Badawi and also Michelle Yeoh. I know Jamseng Rinpoche is quite well known here in Taiwan. Now i read that he has held big exhibition in Malaysia. Does that mean that Dorje Shugden practice is recognised in Malaysia?
I am sorry that Kadhampa (Green sect) do not advocate Dorje Shugden practice anymore as from 1 Jan 2008 onwards, No mass practice and empowerment for Dorje Shugden. We will resume the practise of Kadhampa ways as expound by Lord Atisha, plus other highest yoga tantra like Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhasmaja etc.
Yes please let us know how does one cut off from a practice passed down from the Guru to disciple? It seems this can be change or switched as and when deemed fit?? It does not sound logical since most practices are from an unbroken lineage. Also when one cuts away from a practice given by the guru, is there any repercussions?
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I am sorry that Kadhampa (Green sect) do not advocate Dorje Shugden practice anymore as from 1 Jan 2008 onwards, No mass practice and empowerment for Dorje Shugden. We will resume the practise of Kadhampa ways as expound by Lord Atisha, plus other highest yoga tantra like Yamantaka, Heruka, Guhasmaja etc.
I looked online for any formal statement but unfortunately couldn't find. I wanted to see what was announced as "reasons" for the Green sect to "comply". Do share if you have any further information. Thanks
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Dear lightning,
How does one stop practicing? Do they just stop according to their whim and fancy or they go back and 'return' it to the Lama who gave them the practice? From where I come from, it is unheard of to stop doing a practice given by one's Lama.
Same here. As far as Im concerned, once you start doing that, its the start of a very slippery downhill slope. If you can return something so sacred, whats to stop you from returning everything else? Sorry but the bodhisattva vows talk about guarding them at the cost of your life. If you can willingly return your practices, how are you ever going to keep the vows?
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Isn't the Dorje Shugden practices part of the Gaden Oral Tradition or Gaden Nyengyu for the past 300-400 years?
Look at FPMT who have abandoned the dorje shugdden practice, Lama Yeshe their previous founder has left the organisation. I mention here Lama Yeshe previous incarnation as he was a very strong devotee of Dorje Shudgen. If without Lama Yeshe's devotion to Dorje Shudgen FPMT won't have grown to the way it has now so why would abandoning Dorje Shugden be alright?
@lightning Are you still practising Dorje Shugden?
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Isn't the Dorje Shugden practices part of the Gaden Oral Tradition or Gaden Nyengyu for the past 300-400 years?
Look at FPMT who have abandoned the dorje shugdden practice, Lama Yeshe their previous founder has left the organisation. I mention here Lama Yeshe previous incarnation as he was a very strong devotee of Dorje Shudgen. If without Lama Yeshe's devotion to Dorje Shudgen FPMT won't have grown to the way it has now so why would abandoning Dorje Shugden be alright?
@lightning Are you still practising Dorje Shugden?
Sorry for the late reply as I was too busy and tie up recently. Since the reverting back to Kadhampa, the practise of protector Dorje Shugden did not exist at that point of time. Emphasis will be placed on Kadhampa teachings instead.
HHDL had made Serkong Tritul Rinpoche to swear and forsake Dorje Shugden entirely but He did not agreed. Choosing not to practise and dis-acknowledgment of protector are two entirely different issues. This may sounds a bit misleading, but please kindly for your kind understanding. As mentioned during the previous thread on Kadhampa open letter to HHDL, many of the reasons are explained there.
As mentioned since Dorje Shugden is the protector reconginsed by Lord Je Tsong Ka Pha and many lineage masters like Je Pa Bong Kha, Trijang Rinpoche, (this is something that we cannot turn our back against them) . Further more, Dorje Shugden is the manifestation of Manjushri and the seventh Buddha in our Fortunate Kalpa.
Please read the open letter by HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche to HHDL properly for detailed understanding...
As Quoted:
Thirdly, although the Wish-fulfilling Gem Saviour and I are similar in that we both renounced practice of Great King Dorje Possessing Strength, but justifications for renouncing are totally different, because the Wish-fulfilling Gem Saviour forsook due to reasons based mainly from his own perspective or on the basis of H.H. the 5th Dalai Lama amongst others, to deem Great King Dorje Possessing Strength as nefarious wishing, malevolent spirit, demon, perilous to Sect and sentient beings.
As for the reason for my renunciation is very simple, since I started rebuilding Old Kadhampa from the beginning of 1st of January 2008, aside from the dharmap?las that H.H. Atisha and Drom (Dromtönpa) Rinpoche and other Old Kadhampa’ s ancestral masters were worshipping, all other dharmap?las of other sects are entirely renounced from that time. Furthermore, Old Kadhampa is completely prohibited to
adhere to the uncommon dharmap?las of Yellow Sect Sect such as Great King Dorje Possessing Strength, as well as all other uncommon dharmap?las of Sects.
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Dear Lighting
Thank you for providing further information from the open letter.
The differences between HHDL and HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche's reasons are stated clearly in the letter. HHDL's reason is that dorje shugden is a malevolent spirit and HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche's is that the old kadhampa lineage is prohibited from practicing.
When presented with these two reasons..what option would one have... what would I do.
I for one do not have much knowledge nor supernatural skills, thus my option is to follow what my Guru has taught and given.
What would you do?
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Please kindly read throughly for futher understanding:
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?saved&¬e_id=157558817642535&id=164038393608279
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Dear Lighting
Thank you for providing further information from the open letter.
The differences between HHDL and HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche's reasons are stated clearly in the letter. HHDL's reason is that dorje shugden is a malevolent spirit and HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche's is that the old kadhampa lineage is prohibited from practicing.
When presented with these two reasons..what option would one have... what would I do.
I for one do not have much knowledge nor supernatural skills, thus my option is to follow what my Guru has taught and given.
What would you do?
Nagajurna had unquestionable faith to His Guru who had manifested as a Charkrasavra at the very last moment who awestruck those who reprimanded Him. Sometimes we do not know the "games", that the enlightened beings are plotting. Most the time we just need to follow even when we do have little or no understanding. But bear in mind that we must have a very sharp mind and not just "stupidly" follow as sometimes we may be tested by our own Gurus.and other appearances.
As for the truth about the Dorje Shugden's background and history. it is very very clearly explained by our Gurus if not many of us would be unfortunately mislead by the mainstream and create negative speech karma for ourselves ....
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I think i will follow my guru instruction for any practises because while i decided to take refuge with one guru ,
which mean must clarify is a qualified guru.
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really surprise that the exhibition had attracted over 40,000 devotees and visitors , Rejoice !
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Wah, it is very nice to heard this good news. Sound like Tibetan Buddhism become more and more popular among Malaysia and all the world. The need of practice Buddhism and the knowledge of Buddhism become more important while all of us living in richest materialistic century.
Most of us indulged into materialistic world, our education system, culture value, purpose of life, daily pursue and so forth, as a cause of our unhappiness come from. Some of us full of jealousy and revenge thought also caused by too much indulge into materialistic needs. So, it is good to heard that Buddhism exhibition in Ipoh so popular. As a good sign public started knowing the importantly of spirituality in our live.
The special of Tibetan Buddhism is transform our desires and worldly needs become more useful and spiritual in our daily live. I believe the Tibetan Buddhism will become one of the popular practice in Asian in nearly future.
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Wow ! How fortunate Malaysian and Singaporian..... :D I rejoice to read this news and thank you for the post sharing . I wish to see more western and asia country, the Buddhist organization can organize more Dharma activities to benefit other :)
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Isn't the Dorje Shugden practices part of the Gaden Oral Tradition or Gaden Nyengyu for the past 300-400 years?
Look at FPMT who have abandoned the dorje shugdden practice, Lama Yeshe their previous founder has left the organisation. I mention here Lama Yeshe previous incarnation as he was a very strong devotee of Dorje Shudgen. If without Lama Yeshe's devotion to Dorje Shudgen FPMT won't have grown to the way it has now so why would abandoning Dorje Shugden be alright?
@lightning Are you still practising Dorje Shugden?
Sorry for the late reply as I was too busy and tie up recently. Since the reverting back to Kadhampa, the practise of protector Dorje Shugden did not exist at that point of time. Emphasis will be placed on Kadhampa teachings instead.
HHDL had made Serkong Tritul Rinpoche to swear and forsake Dorje Shugden entirely but He did not agreed. Choosing not to practise and dis-acknowledgment of protector are two entirely different issues. This may sounds a bit misleading, but please kindly for your kind understanding. As mentioned during the previous thread on Kadhampa open letter to HHDL, many of the reasons are explained there.
As mentioned since Dorje Shugden is the protector reconginsed by Lord Je Tsong Ka Pha and many lineage masters like Je Pa Bong Kha, Trijang Rinpoche, (this is something that we cannot turn our back against them) . Further more, Dorje Shugden is the manifestation of Manjushri and the seventh Buddha in our Fortunate Kalpa.
Please read the open letter by HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche to HHDL properly for detailed understanding...
As Quoted:
Thirdly, although the Wish-fulfilling Gem Saviour and I are similar in that we both renounced practice of Great King Dorje Possessing Strength, but justifications for renouncing are totally different, because the Wish-fulfilling Gem Saviour forsook due to reasons based mainly from his own perspective or on the basis of H.H. the 5th Dalai Lama amongst others, to deem Great King Dorje Possessing Strength as nefarious wishing, malevolent spirit, demon, perilous to Sect and sentient beings.
As for the reason for my renunciation is very simple, since I started rebuilding Old Kadhampa from the beginning of 1st of January 2008, aside from the dharmap?las that H.H. Atisha and Drom (Dromtönpa) Rinpoche and other Old Kadhampa’ s ancestral masters were worshipping, all other dharmap?las of other sects are entirely renounced from that time. Furthermore, Old Kadhampa is completely prohibited to
adhere to the uncommon dharmap?las of Yellow Sect Sect such as Great King Dorje Possessing Strength, as well as all other uncommon dharmap?las of Sects.
The fact that you still remain in this forum shows that despite everything else going on around you, you still believe in Dorje Shugden deep down on a personal level. I believe you are not representing the organization that you are coming from in this forum, but out of your own belief in Dorje Shugden, no matter how much you have.
Please forgive all the comments made to your posts in this thread if they appear to sound harsh to you. They are just being direct, but I believe they mean no harm. Every member in this forum are all in the same boat; we are being attacked for believing in Dorje Shugden, we definitely cherish one another.
Please continue to remain with us and keep yourself up to date on all the developments in the community of Shugdenpa.
May Dorje Shugden and his retinue continue to watch over you on the basis of your faith in Them, despite the fact that you can't practice Dorje Shugden's mantra and kangso anymore. I wish the same for everyone who is like you in your organization.
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The fact that you still remain in this forum shows that despite everything else going on around you, you still believe in Dorje Shugden deep down on a personal level. I believe you are not representing the organization that you are coming from in this forum, but out of your own belief in Dorje Shugden, no matter how much you have.
Please forgive all the comments made to your posts in this thread if they appear to sound harsh to you. They are just being direct, but I believe they mean no harm. Every member in this forum are all in the same boat; we are being attacked for believing in Dorje Shugden, we definitely cherish one another.
Please continue to remain with us and keep yourself up to date on all the developments in the community of Shugdenpa.
May Dorje Shugden and his retinue continue to watch over you on the basis of your faith in Them, despite the fact that you can't practice Dorje Shugden's mantra and kangso anymore. I wish the same for everyone who is like you in your organization.
I like very much the sentiment you express here, Ratna Shugden! This is so true - the one thing all of us on this forum have in common is that we all revere Dorje Shugden, despite small differences here and there. We are simply human and selective and attached to various perceptions be it real or not. Let's rejoice in our commonality rather than focus on our differences as Dorje Shugden - and all Buddhas - promotes harmony, so should his followers strive to live in harmony and respect.
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A relic exhibitions. it sounds interesting. Do anyone know when is the next one and where? I must visit, as I’m quite curious and I have not seen them in real person. Mostly have read it from books. Always wonder how they look. Do keep updating. Thanks.
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Isn't the Dorje Shugden practices part of the Gaden Oral Tradition or Gaden Nyengyu for the past 300-400 years?
Look at FPMT who have abandoned the dorje shugdden practice, Lama Yeshe their previous founder has left the organisation. I mention here Lama Yeshe previous incarnation as he was a very strong devotee of Dorje Shudgen. If without Lama Yeshe's devotion to Dorje Shudgen FPMT won't have grown to the way it has now so why would abandoning Dorje Shugden be alright?
@lightning Are you still practising Dorje Shugden?
Sorry for the late reply as I was too busy and tie up recently. Since the reverting back to Kadhampa, the practise of protector Dorje Shugden did not exist at that point of time. Emphasis will be placed on Kadhampa teachings instead.
HHDL had made Serkong Tritul Rinpoche to swear and forsake Dorje Shugden entirely but He did not agreed. Choosing not to practise and dis-acknowledgment of protector are two entirely different issues. This may sounds a bit misleading, but please kindly for your kind understanding. As mentioned during the previous thread on Kadhampa open letter to HHDL, many of the reasons are explained there.
As mentioned since Dorje Shugden is the protector reconginsed by Lord Je Tsong Ka Pha and many lineage masters like Je Pa Bong Kha, Trijang Rinpoche, (this is something that we cannot turn our back against them) . Further more, Dorje Shugden is the manifestation of Manjushri and the seventh Buddha in our Fortunate Kalpa.
Please read the open letter by HH Drom Cheng Rinpoche to HHDL properly for detailed understanding...
As Quoted:
Thirdly, although the Wish-fulfilling Gem Saviour and I are similar in that we both renounced practice of Great King Dorje Possessing Strength, but justifications for renouncing are totally different, because the Wish-fulfilling Gem Saviour forsook due to reasons based mainly from his own perspective or on the basis of H.H. the 5th Dalai Lama amongst others, to deem Great King Dorje Possessing Strength as nefarious wishing, malevolent spirit, demon, perilous to Sect and sentient beings.
As for the reason for my renunciation is very simple, since I started rebuilding Old Kadhampa from the beginning of 1st of January 2008, aside from the dharmap?las that H.H. Atisha and Drom (Dromtönpa) Rinpoche and other Old Kadhampa’ s ancestral masters were worshipping, all other dharmap?las of other sects are entirely renounced from that time. Furthermore, Old Kadhampa is completely prohibited to
adhere to the uncommon dharmap?las of Yellow Sect Sect such as Great King Dorje Possessing Strength, as well as all other uncommon dharmap?las of Sects.
Dear lightning,
Although renouncing and giving up a practice are two different misdeeds altogether but they are both actions that breaks Samaya. Renouncing Dorje Shugden that has been passed down by the great lineage masters, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche and Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche breaks the lineage and sets an extremely bad example that all other lineages could be broken as well. Just because there's politics and there's a ban, we cannot just simply give up a practice that has been passed down by our Gurus. This can only happen if it is our Guru who gives that vajra command and there's no exception to this rule in Tantra. However, I believe what Serkong Tritul Rinpoche did was just an outward expression but he would never give up his practice. All this recovery of Kadampa tradition is a very outward show and I believe he has never moved from the practices, teachings and instructions of his Gurus. Otherwise, his teachings and practices would have no power.
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I have a certain sense of respect for big Dharma teachers like Serkong Tritul for not giving up their lineage commitments, or breaking the vinaya code by swearing (as a monk, one is not allowed to swear, it's part of the code of ethics or Vinaya of a monk) so in doing so he sets a very good example for other monks who could be thinking of going the easy way as they can easily gain what they need to survive plus the acceptance of their peers and Dalai Lama. It is very courageous for Serkong Tritul to do so and I do commend him!
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This is exciting to read about! It is showing us that Buddhism is actually spreading even at this degenerated time, I truly rejoice for this! ;D I hope that more Buddhism exhibitions will be held in the future...