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The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« on: May 30, 2014, 12:51:59 PM »


Kyabje Pabongkapa Jetsun Jampa Tenzin Trinley Gyatso Pel Sangpo, is also popularly known as “Dechen Nyingpo,” which means “Essence of Great Bliss” and refers to his mastery of the secret teachings of Buddhism.  Khabje Pabongka Rinpoche was the key lineage holder of the Oral Gaden Tradition and the Dorje Shugden practice is an integral part of this tradition.  The majority of Gelug masters were his disciples.  He was the root Lama of both Kyabje Ling Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche, the two tutors of the 14th Dalai Lama, and the teacher of most of the other Gelug Lamas who have been spreading Dharma to the West.  He had transmitted the entire Gelug teachings to Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche including the Shugden practice. 

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/pabongka-rinpoche-wikipedia/

It is so sinister that due to the Shugden ban there are Buddhist centres and their followers in the world shunning the great Pabongka Rinpoche but they are studying 'Liberation in the Palm of your Hand".  How does this attitude correlate with the mind and action?  Would there be blessing in the mind stream for having such attitude when learning the Lam Rim?  What is the consequence of losing faith in our lineage master?



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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 12:35:25 PM »
Without any faith in the Gelug lineage masters especially Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche who had passed down the Dorje Shugden lineage, it is utterly pointless to study the Lamrim text Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand. How can you be selective of Dharma by abandoning Dorje Shugden practice? By abandoning Dorje Shugden, you had broken your samayas. By abandoning Dorje Shugden these anti Dorje Shugden followers have forsaken the Three Jewels! Such heavy negative karma. It is impossible for these anti Dorje Shugden followers to develop any realizations or attainments.

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 01:11:33 PM »
Also, if the Kyabje Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche were wrong about Dorje Shugden, doesn't that mean they can also be mistaken about the contents of the Lamrim, the secret and precious meditations of Heruka, Vajrayogini and Cittamini Tara? Many of the great Gelug lamas received their lineage teachings and these practice via the lineage of Kyabje Pabongka. Therefore, they must have received something that is potentially flawed... How can that be? How can Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche be wrong with something as important as a lineage protector practice like Dorje Shugden?

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 05:53:31 AM »
This is a most interesting question that ever crossed my mind.  Since Kyabje Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche were also the key lineage holders to all the highest yoga tantras and practically all the Gelug masters were their disciples whom they had transmitted all the highest yoga tantras to, but today these great key lineage holders are shunned by anti-shugdenists because they are 'spirit worshippers".   Can anti-shugdenishts meditating on their Heruka, Vajrayogini, Cittamini Tara or Yamantaka highest yoga tantra gain any development/attainments in their sahdana practice with this broken lineage?   Have they ever contemplate into the intricacies of the consequence of their action or they are just a blind follower of the Dalai Lama?

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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 07:23:13 AM »
Also, if the Kyabje Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche were wrong about Dorje Shugden, doesn't that mean they can also be mistaken about the contents of the Lamrim, the secret and precious meditations of Heruka, Vajrayogini and Cittamini Tara? Many of the great Gelug lamas received their lineage teachings and these practice via the lineage of Kyabje Pabongka. Therefore, they must have received something that is potentially flawed... How can that be? How can Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche be wrong with something as important as a lineage protector practice like Dorje Shugden?

It is like receiving the Dharma from Buddha Shakyamuni Himself and at the same time say he is wrong. Since that is ridiculous, then Pabongkha Rinpoche must be right about the Protector. There is no logical arguments to support the ban. It is simple but yet profound that since one regard  Pabongka's discourse of the Lamrim as represented by the "Liberation in the Palms of Your Hand" is authentic, one must regard the Protector as Enligthened, as Pabongkha Himself has said.

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 07:35:02 AM »
Could it be that there are not better text on the Lamrim other then "Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand"? For I know for sure that Geshe Kelsang Gyatso has a version name "Joyful Path of Good Fortune" but Geshela's followers are the Protector's practitioners. LOL.
What has the Dalai Lama and the CTA has published to equal that? I think nothing? So these centers have no choice but to use The Liberation as text...all the while there have to think, everything is correct here except one....Sigh!

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2014, 08:09:41 AM »
Very true indeed Icy, you have got me to think on the Tantric part and LAM RIM learning.

Pabongka Rinpoche is the foundation to firm up Gelug practices. Without him, many of the oral traditional are not possible to pass down.

As quoted by Big uncle, such an important and highly attained Lama
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How can Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche be wrong with something as important as a lineage protector practice like Dorje Shugden? If Dalai Lama said his teachers are all wrong, then he can be making mistake too.



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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 05:55:55 PM »

Pabongka Rinpoche,the famous teacher of Sutra and Tantra,especially the Lam Rim.He is an unbelievable expert on all subjects and people came from miles and miles to attend his teachings.
According to Kyabje Zong Rinpoche,Pabongka Rinpoche was considered an emanation of the highest Yoga Tantra diety, Heruka Chakrasamvara.

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2014, 12:13:50 PM »
Pabongkpa Rinpoche is part of the lineage of nearly all Gelugpa's today.
The one who disparages its lineage, disparages its own Guru.

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 04:53:19 PM »
Also, if the Kyabje Pabongka Dechen Nyingpo and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche were wrong about Dorje Shugden, doesn't that mean they can also be mistaken about the contents of the Lamrim, the secret and precious meditations of Heruka, Vajrayogini and Cittamini Tara? Many of the great Gelug lamas received their lineage teachings and these practice via the lineage of Kyabje Pabongka. Therefore, they must have received something that is potentially flawed... How can that be? How can Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche be wrong with something as important as a lineage protector practice like Dorje Shugden?

It is like receiving the Dharma from Buddha Shakyamuni Himself and at the same time say he is wrong. Since that is ridiculous, then Pabongkha Rinpoche must be right about the Protector. There is no logical arguments to support the ban. It is simple but yet profound that since one regard  Pabongka's discourse of the Lamrim as represented by the "Liberation in the Palms of Your Hand" is authentic, one must regard the Protector as Enligthened, as Pabongkha Himself has said.

Fully agreed on this point that if an enlightened being can be mistaken for a spirit then why do we can place so much confidence to learn the doctrine from him? If we can have no confidence of Pabongkha Rinpoche where he can make a mistake in spreading a Dharma protector practice, then why cannot we lose confidence in his teachings? How can we be sure there is no mistake in the teachings?

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 05:32:21 PM »
There is something really wrong with the anti-shugden people, that shunning all the great master who are DS practitioner and also key lineage holder such as current Trijang Rinpoche and also current Pabhongka Rinpoche, and other High Lamas who reincarnate back in their current reincarnation, yet they could not see the truth about who Dorje Shugden is, and how this Great Dharma Protector protects the Lama Tsongkhapa Teachings and also the Lamrin until today.

The funniest thing is like what Icy meantion, they study Lamrin which is pass down by Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche to Trijang Rinpoche, but in the same time ban Dorje Shugden and incite hatred towards Pabongkha Rinpoche. Where is the logic behind this.

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2014, 04:30:21 AM »
Penpa Tsering should read this article on Pabongka Rinpoche. His recent attacks on Pabongka Rinpoche has made a fool out of himself (Read : http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/penpa-tsering-defames-kyabje-pabongka-rinpoche/) No wonder there is nothing much about him when you research on Penpa Tsering on the internet. There is no big achievements or contribution he has done for the Tibetans which the world or the Tibetans around the world would recognise.

Pabongka Rinpoche was and is a legend in the Gelugpa World. So many facts & information not just from this article has shown how Pabongka Rinpoche has CONTRIBUTED to Tibetan Buddhism which has benefitted so many people around the world. His achievements are so obvious from his previous incarnation till today.

CTA must know who they are relaying the messages to, Tibetans & the rest of the world are no longer uneducated and unexposed alike previously. We have all the resources at our finger tips to check and check before we conclude the information given. I do hope CTA buck up really soon as every day passes, many will loose respect of their credibility. Hint : Lift the ban of Shugden and they will see many Tibetans/ powerful Tibetans and students of Tibetan great masters reuniting to promote Tibetan Buddhism. It will serve them better as a representative of the Tibetan in Exile unless they have a different and personal agenda/motive.  ;)



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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2014, 06:25:47 AM »
A anti Shugden groupie trying to discredit Pabongka Rinpoche was defended and touted by Glenn Mullin who is  a Tibetologist, Buddhist writer, translator of classical Tibetan literature, and teacher of Tantric Buddhist meditation.  His two principal tantric gurus were the late great masters Kyabje Ling Dorjechang and Kyabje Trijang Dorjechang, who were best known as Yongdzin Che Chung, the two main gurus of the present Dalai Lama.





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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2014, 11:04:38 AM »
A recent picture of Je Pabongka.

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Re: The Greatness of Pabongka Rinpoche
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2014, 02:41:25 PM »
Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche is a great master and lineage holder of the  oral Gaden Tradition and Dorje Shugden is one of his many practices. He is also the root Lama to 2 of the great tutors of the 14th Dalai Lama.
Pabongka Rinpoche is also the famous teacher of the Sutra and Tantra and the Lamrim. The Lamrim is passed down by Pabongka Rinpoche to Trinjang Rinpoche but the Dorje Shugden practice is being ban.
This is so ironic. No logic to the ban.