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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2022 12:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2021 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the developments show that the Dalai Lama has changed his mind and he is reconciling the Tibetans. 

The tone has clearly changed and lets hope that now finally all the Tibetans including the Dorje Shugden practitioners can live in peace and have all the same rights 🙏..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the developments show that the Dalai Lama has changed his mind and he is reconciling the Tibetans. </p>
<p>The tone has clearly changed and lets hope that now finally all the Tibetans including the Dorje Shugden practitioners can live in peace and have all the same rights 🙏..</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Musetescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Musetescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does Mr Kei fail to provide us with any &quot;Direct Quotes&quot; from the Dalai Lama&#039;s speech??

Here is an example.

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So, it came as a complete surprise when the Dalai Lama casually remarked in his January 2020 teaching that it was fine to worship Dorje Shugden as a birth deity (kye lha) or a land god (yul lha). Although the Dalai Lama persisted in questioning the historic status of Dorje Shugden as the Protector of Lama Tsongkapa’s lineage, his consent for the worship of the deity was a drastic reversal of official Tibetan policy that had stood for over two decades. The Dalai Lama had just ended a ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden that the Tibetan leadership had pursued aggressively since 1996.
Unquote

There are absolutely no &quot;First Person&quot; direct quotes from the Dalai Lama in his article.

WHY NOT MR KEI&#039;S???

His totally failure to provide us with any quotes or any proof of the actual date and place of this so called &quot;Lifting of the Ban&quot;.

Sorry Mr Kei&#039;s without any proof from you I must now question if your article is in fact &quot;Fake News&quot;.

Please provide us with proof!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Mr Kei fail to provide us with any &#8220;Direct Quotes&#8221; from the Dalai Lama&#8217;s speech??</p>
<p>Here is an example.</p>
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So, it came as a complete surprise when the Dalai Lama casually remarked in his January 2020 teaching that it was fine to worship Dorje Shugden as a birth deity (kye lha) or a land god (yul lha). Although the Dalai Lama persisted in questioning the historic status of Dorje Shugden as the Protector of Lama Tsongkapa’s lineage, his consent for the worship of the deity was a drastic reversal of official Tibetan policy that had stood for over two decades. The Dalai Lama had just ended a ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden that the Tibetan leadership had pursued aggressively since 1996.<br />
Unquote</p>
<p>There are absolutely no &#8220;First Person&#8221; direct quotes from the Dalai Lama in his article.</p>
<p>WHY NOT MR KEI&#8217;S???</p>
<p>His totally failure to provide us with any quotes or any proof of the actual date and place of this so called &#8220;Lifting of the Ban&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sorry Mr Kei&#8217;s without any proof from you I must now question if your article is in fact &#8220;Fake News&#8221;.</p>
<p>Please provide us with proof!!</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Musetescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Musetescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 05:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Pema8

You stated you were happy that the Dalai Lama did not use the name &quot;Dolgyal&quot; and has taken down that bannner.

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Pema
June 7, 2020

Finally the ban has come to an end.

“Perhaps the best evidence that the Dalai Lama intended to end the persecution of Shugden believers is the sudden disappearance of the prominent ‘Dolgyal’ banner on the CTA’s website. That banner served as an ongoing official warning for Tibetans to not practice Dorje Shugden and to not associate with Shugden Buddhists. The simultaneous disappearance of the banner indicates that the Dalai Lama’s words were no mistake.” 
Unquote

You also stated in another comment.
 
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...The Dalai Lama referred to the deity by the proper name, ‘Dorje Shugden’, which means ‘the adamantine force that protects the Gelug’. For over twenty-three years, the Dalai Lama had called the deity by the derogatory name ‘Dolgyal’, which translates to ‘angry spirit of the river Dol’. By addressing the deity respectfully on this occasion, the Dalai Lama signaled that it is time to stop disparaging Dorje Shugden.

The Dalai Lama’s tone was amiable and gentle when he spoke about Dorje Shugden. This, too, was a departure from the scathing, derisive manner which the Dalai Lama had previously employed to refer to ‘Dolgyal’ whenever he wanted to perpetuate public animosity against Dorje Shugden.

One can discuss endlessly but these are clear signs that the Dalai Lama has changed towards the practice of Dorje Shugden. I rejoice for all of us. 🙏🙏🙏
Unquote

First you and Mr Kei have to prove that the Dalai Lama did in fact state that he has &quot;Lifted the Ban on Dorje Shugden&quot;.

Since Mr Kei&#039;s has failed to provide the actual date, location or source who claims these statements were made by the Dalai Lama. 

So now let us look at the Dalai Lama&#039;s website and see if he still officially and publicly uses the word &quot;Dolgyal&quot;?

Surprise, Surprise he still does.

Here&#039;s a link to his website https://www.dalailama.com/

Go to the far right of the top screen and click on to &quot;MORE&quot; and here is what you find at the left of that screen.

Quote
Messages
Compassion and Human Values
World Peace
Environment
Religious Harmony
Buddhism
Retirement and Reincarnation
Tibet
Transcripts and Interviews
Acceptance Speeches
DOLGYAL (Shugden)
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That right Pema8 the Dalai Lama is STILL publicly using the name &quot;DOLGYAL&quot; to describe Dorje Shugden on his official website.

The Dalai Lama continues to use &quot;DOLGYAL&#039;S&quot; name in the 25 articles that are found when you click onto &quot;DOLGYAL (Shugden)
😱😱😱</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Pema8</p>
<p>You stated you were happy that the Dalai Lama did not use the name &#8220;Dolgyal&#8221; and has taken down that bannner.</p>
<p>Quote<br />
Pema<br />
June 7, 2020</p>
<p>Finally the ban has come to an end.</p>
<p>“Perhaps the best evidence that the Dalai Lama intended to end the persecution of Shugden believers is the sudden disappearance of the prominent ‘Dolgyal’ banner on the CTA’s website. That banner served as an ongoing official warning for Tibetans to not practice Dorje Shugden and to not associate with Shugden Buddhists. The simultaneous disappearance of the banner indicates that the Dalai Lama’s words were no mistake.”<br />
Unquote</p>
<p>You also stated in another comment.</p>
<p>Quote<br />
&#8230;The Dalai Lama referred to the deity by the proper name, ‘Dorje Shugden’, which means ‘the adamantine force that protects the Gelug’. For over twenty-three years, the Dalai Lama had called the deity by the derogatory name ‘Dolgyal’, which translates to ‘angry spirit of the river Dol’. By addressing the deity respectfully on this occasion, the Dalai Lama signaled that it is time to stop disparaging Dorje Shugden.</p>
<p>The Dalai Lama’s tone was amiable and gentle when he spoke about Dorje Shugden. This, too, was a departure from the scathing, derisive manner which the Dalai Lama had previously employed to refer to ‘Dolgyal’ whenever he wanted to perpetuate public animosity against Dorje Shugden.</p>
<p>One can discuss endlessly but these are clear signs that the Dalai Lama has changed towards the practice of Dorje Shugden. I rejoice for all of us. 🙏🙏🙏<br />
Unquote</p>
<p>First you and Mr Kei have to prove that the Dalai Lama did in fact state that he has &#8220;Lifted the Ban on Dorje Shugden&#8221;.</p>
<p>Since Mr Kei&#8217;s has failed to provide the actual date, location or source who claims these statements were made by the Dalai Lama. </p>
<p>So now let us look at the Dalai Lama&#8217;s website and see if he still officially and publicly uses the word &#8220;Dolgyal&#8221;?</p>
<p>Surprise, Surprise he still does.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link to his website <a target="_blank" href="https://www.dalailama.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.dalailama.com/</a></p>
<p>Go to the far right of the top screen and click on to &#8220;MORE&#8221; and here is what you find at the left of that screen.</p>
<p>Quote<br />
Messages<br />
Compassion and Human Values<br />
World Peace<br />
Environment<br />
Religious Harmony<br />
Buddhism<br />
Retirement and Reincarnation<br />
Tibet<br />
Transcripts and Interviews<br />
Acceptance Speeches<br />
DOLGYAL (Shugden)<br />
Unquote</p>
<p>That right Pema8 the Dalai Lama is STILL publicly using the name &#8220;DOLGYAL&#8221; to describe Dorje Shugden on his official website.</p>
<p>The Dalai Lama continues to use &#8220;DOLGYAL&#8217;S&#8221; name in the 25 articles that are found when you click onto &#8220;DOLGYAL (Shugden)<br />
😱😱😱</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Musetescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Musetescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 04:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Pema8

Some simple questions.

WHEN in January 2020 did the Dalai Lama say this?

WHERE in January 2020 did the Dalai Lama say this?

From whom are you and Mr Kei&#039;s quoting from about all this?

I can not find ONE newspaper article about this earth shaking development.

Why can I not find any of this &quot;Lifting of the BAN&quot; anywhere on the Dalai Lama&#039;s, the CTA&#039;s or their Ministry of Religions websites?

Please help me out with all of this Pema8!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Pema8</p>
<p>Some simple questions.</p>
<p>WHEN in January 2020 did the Dalai Lama say this?</p>
<p>WHERE in January 2020 did the Dalai Lama say this?</p>
<p>From whom are you and Mr Kei&#8217;s quoting from about all this?</p>
<p>I can not find ONE newspaper article about this earth shaking development.</p>
<p>Why can I not find any of this &#8220;Lifting of the BAN&#8221; anywhere on the Dalai Lama&#8217;s, the CTA&#8217;s or their Ministry of Religions websites?</p>
<p>Please help me out with all of this Pema8!!</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Musetescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Musetescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 04:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Pema8

The writer of the article you quote from, a Mr Kei states in his opening paragraph,

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During a teaching in January this year, the Dalai Lama very casually overturned the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden which he had instigated over twenty-three years ago. It was easy to miss the significance of what he said because of the incidental manner in which the Dalai Lama addressed the subject. However, to those attuned to the subtleties of the Dalai Lama’s manner of speaking, it was clear that the campaign which the Tibetan leadership had unleashed against Shugden Buddhists was at an end.
Unquote

The fact that Mr Kei&#039;s FAILS to tell us anything about the actual date, location and from whom he is quoting as a source for all of this is very very strange.

You can not find this information anywhere in Mr Kei&#039;s entire article.

Pema8 could you please tell me and the readers here where we can go to verify Mr Kei&#039;s claims??

If neither you nor Mr Kei&#039;s can verify these claims what are we to thing about the truth of this article??

There is NOWHERE on either the Dalai Lama&#039;s nor the CTA&#039;s websites anything about the &quot;LIFTING OF THE BAN ON DORJE SHUGDEN!!

Can you Mr Shasti Kei&#039;s help provide us with proof about your claims the the 14th Dalai Lama making this official, public statement lifting the ban on Dorje Shugden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Pema8</p>
<p>The writer of the article you quote from, a Mr Kei states in his opening paragraph,</p>
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During a teaching in January this year, the Dalai Lama very casually overturned the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden which he had instigated over twenty-three years ago. It was easy to miss the significance of what he said because of the incidental manner in which the Dalai Lama addressed the subject. However, to those attuned to the subtleties of the Dalai Lama’s manner of speaking, it was clear that the campaign which the Tibetan leadership had unleashed against Shugden Buddhists was at an end.<br />
Unquote</p>
<p>The fact that Mr Kei&#8217;s FAILS to tell us anything about the actual date, location and from whom he is quoting as a source for all of this is very very strange.</p>
<p>You can not find this information anywhere in Mr Kei&#8217;s entire article.</p>
<p>Pema8 could you please tell me and the readers here where we can go to verify Mr Kei&#8217;s claims??</p>
<p>If neither you nor Mr Kei&#8217;s can verify these claims what are we to thing about the truth of this article??</p>
<p>There is NOWHERE on either the Dalai Lama&#8217;s nor the CTA&#8217;s websites anything about the &#8220;LIFTING OF THE BAN ON DORJE SHUGDEN!!</p>
<p>Can you Mr Shasti Kei&#8217;s help provide us with proof about your claims the the 14th Dalai Lama making this official, public statement lifting the ban on Dorje Shugden?</p>
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		<title>By: Pema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 03:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some have suggested that the Dalai Lama made an error and did not, in fact, intend to lift the prohibition on Dorje Shugden. However, there were three other &lt;strong class=&quot;bbcode-strong&quot;&gt;hints to indicate that the Tibetan leader’s attitude towards Dorje Shugden has actually changed&lt;/strong&gt;:

&lt;strong class=&quot;bbcode-strong&quot;&gt;The Dalai Lama raised the subject on his own&lt;/strong&gt;. There were no new developments on the Dorje Shugden front that made it necessary for him to address this very sensitive issue. Nor was his mention of Dorje Shugden in response to questions about the subject. So, it is clear that the Dalai Lama intended to convey a point specifically with regard to the Shugden issue.

&lt;strong class=&quot;bbcode-strong&quot;&gt;The Dalai Lama referred to the deity by the proper name, ‘Dorje Shugden’, which means ‘the adamantine force that protects the Gelug’.&lt;/strong&gt; For over twenty-three years, the Dalai Lama had called the deity by the derogatory name ‘Dolgyal’, which translates to ‘angry spirit of the river Dol’. By addressing the deity respectfully on this occasion, the Dalai Lama signaled that it is time to stop disparaging Dorje Shugden.

&lt;strong class=&quot;bbcode-strong&quot;&gt;The Dalai Lama’s tone was amiable and gentle when he spoke about Dorje Shugden.&lt;/strong&gt; This, too, was a departure from the scathing, derisive manner which the Dalai Lama had previously employed to refer to ‘Dolgyal’ whenever he wanted to perpetuate public animosity against Dorje Shugden. 

One can discuss endlessly but these are clear signs that the Dalai Lama has changed towards the practice of Dorje Shugden. I rejoice for all of us. 🙏🙏🙏</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have suggested that the Dalai Lama made an error and did not, in fact, intend to lift the prohibition on Dorje Shugden. However, there were three other <strong class="bbcode-strong">hints to indicate that the Tibetan leader’s attitude towards Dorje Shugden has actually changed</strong>:</p>
<p><strong class="bbcode-strong">The Dalai Lama raised the subject on his own</strong>. There were no new developments on the Dorje Shugden front that made it necessary for him to address this very sensitive issue. Nor was his mention of Dorje Shugden in response to questions about the subject. So, it is clear that the Dalai Lama intended to convey a point specifically with regard to the Shugden issue.</p>
<p><strong class="bbcode-strong">The Dalai Lama referred to the deity by the proper name, ‘Dorje Shugden’, which means ‘the adamantine force that protects the Gelug’.</strong> For over twenty-three years, the Dalai Lama had called the deity by the derogatory name ‘Dolgyal’, which translates to ‘angry spirit of the river Dol’. By addressing the deity respectfully on this occasion, the Dalai Lama signaled that it is time to stop disparaging Dorje Shugden.</p>
<p><strong class="bbcode-strong">The Dalai Lama’s tone was amiable and gentle when he spoke about Dorje Shugden.</strong> This, too, was a departure from the scathing, derisive manner which the Dalai Lama had previously employed to refer to ‘Dolgyal’ whenever he wanted to perpetuate public animosity against Dorje Shugden. </p>
<p>One can discuss endlessly but these are clear signs that the Dalai Lama has changed towards the practice of Dorje Shugden. I rejoice for all of us. 🙏🙏🙏</p>
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		<title>By: Pema</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2020 03:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally the ban has come to an end. 

&quot;Perhaps the best evidence that the Dalai Lama intended to end the persecution of Shugden believers is the sudden disappearance of the prominent ‘Dolgyal’ banner on the CTA’s website. That banner served as an ongoing official warning for Tibetans to not practice Dorje Shugden and to not associate with Shugden Buddhists. The simultaneous disappearance of the banner indicates that the Dalai Lama’s words were no mistake.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally the ban has come to an end. </p>
<p>&#8220;Perhaps the best evidence that the Dalai Lama intended to end the persecution of Shugden believers is the sudden disappearance of the prominent ‘Dolgyal’ banner on the CTA’s website. That banner served as an ongoing official warning for Tibetans to not practice Dorje Shugden and to not associate with Shugden Buddhists. The simultaneous disappearance of the banner indicates that the Dalai Lama’s words were no mistake.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Musetescu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Musetescu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 18:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above article stated that the Dalai Lama made this statement in January 2020.

Since that day I can not find any other mention of the Dalai Lama in the news  repeating his &quot;New Policy&quot; on Dorje Shudgen. 

Why has the Dalai Lama not publicly restated this &quot;Pro&quot; Dorje Shugden policy statement.

Why has the CTA NEVER publicly stated that they in agreement with the Dalai Lama and his new &quot;Pro&quot; Dorje Shugden policy statement.

Why has the Ministry of Education NEVER publicly stated that they are in agreement with the Dalai Lama and his new &quot;Pro&quot; Dorje Shugden policy statement.

To quote from Mr Kei&#039;s article,

&quot;During a teaching in January this year, the Dalai Lama very CASUALLY overturned the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden which he had instigated over twenty-three years ago. IT WAS VERY EASY TO MISS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENTAL MANNER IN WHICH THE DALAI LAMA ADDRESSED THE SUBJECT....&quot;

Yes, it was &quot;VERY EASY TO MISS&quot; not only on that day in Jan. 2020 but every day since.

The &quot;SILENCE&quot; of the Dalai Lama, his CTA and the Ministry of Religion speaks volumes on how serious they take this so called &quot;Lifting of the ban on Dorje Shugden&quot;!!

THEY DON&#039;T!!

If I am wrong public show me the proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above article stated that the Dalai Lama made this statement in January 2020.</p>
<p>Since that day I can not find any other mention of the Dalai Lama in the news  repeating his &#8220;New Policy&#8221; on Dorje Shudgen. </p>
<p>Why has the Dalai Lama not publicly restated this &#8220;Pro&#8221; Dorje Shugden policy statement.</p>
<p>Why has the CTA NEVER publicly stated that they in agreement with the Dalai Lama and his new &#8220;Pro&#8221; Dorje Shugden policy statement.</p>
<p>Why has the Ministry of Education NEVER publicly stated that they are in agreement with the Dalai Lama and his new &#8220;Pro&#8221; Dorje Shugden policy statement.</p>
<p>To quote from Mr Kei&#8217;s article,</p>
<p>&#8220;During a teaching in January this year, the Dalai Lama very CASUALLY overturned the ban on the practice of Dorje Shugden which he had instigated over twenty-three years ago. IT WAS VERY EASY TO MISS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE OF THE INCIDENTAL MANNER IN WHICH THE DALAI LAMA ADDRESSED THE SUBJECT&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it was &#8220;VERY EASY TO MISS&#8221; not only on that day in Jan. 2020 but every day since.</p>
<p>The &#8220;SILENCE&#8221; of the Dalai Lama, his CTA and the Ministry of Religion speaks volumes on how serious they take this so called &#8220;Lifting of the ban on Dorje Shugden&#8221;!!</p>
<p>THEY DON&#8217;T!!</p>
<p>If I am wrong public show me the proof.</p>
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