Comments on: The CTA Violates Its Own Constitution https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: David Charles https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-50034 David Charles Tue, 18 Jun 2013 08:43:31 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-50034 I love His Holiness the Dalai Lama I love His Holiness the Dalai Lama

]]> By: BlueUpali https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-49855 BlueUpali Mon, 13 May 2013 00:36:13 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-49855 Dear Vajratruth, I do agree with your point that most Tibetans do not have enough power to stand up to the Dalai Lama; they are, it seemed to me while I was in India some years back, generally afraid of him and try to avoid his supporters. This is understandable for people who are used to a feudal theocracy; being in disfavor with the Dalai lama recognitions also proved a bad idea in times past; for instance, during the time of the 5th Dalai Lama, who also happened to be against Shugden for awhile, several thousand Kagyu monks were beheaded by forces that supported 'the great 5th.' Given such history, it seems logical that most Tibetans would be afraid of the Dalai Lama's institution; in the west of course, we had similar issues to the Shugden ban in the past; for instance in England people persecuted one another for being Catholic or Protestant, or a particular sub-branch of Protestant. Eventually, with the concept of democracy and religious freedom that sort of thing has subsided; I hope that something similar will happen with the Tibetan people, and we will stop persecuting people for what prayers they may say. Dear Vajratruth,
I do agree with your point that most Tibetans do not have enough power to stand up to the Dalai Lama; they are, it seemed to me while I was in India some years back, generally afraid of him and try to avoid his supporters. This is understandable for people who are used to a feudal theocracy; being in disfavor with the Dalai lama recognitions also proved a bad idea in times past; for instance, during the time of the 5th Dalai Lama, who also happened to be against Shugden for awhile, several thousand Kagyu monks were beheaded by forces that supported ‘the great 5th.’ Given such history, it seems logical that most Tibetans would be afraid of the Dalai Lama’s institution; in the west of course, we had similar issues to the Shugden ban in the past; for instance in England people persecuted one another for being Catholic or Protestant, or a particular sub-branch of Protestant. Eventually, with the concept of democracy and religious freedom that sort of thing has subsided; I hope that something similar will happen with the Tibetan people, and we will stop persecuting people for what prayers they may say.

]]> By: Vajratruth https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-49849 Vajratruth Sat, 11 May 2013 10:38:06 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-49849 More on the 17th Karmapa controversy as referred to in my previous comment: http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/is-it-interference/ More on the 17th Karmapa controversy as referred to in my previous comment:

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/is-it-interference/

]]> By: Vajratruth https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-49848 Vajratruth Sat, 11 May 2013 10:06:28 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-49848 Dear BlueUpali, One thing is for sure, that is, the CTA certainly profiles the Dalai Lama popularly as the not-to-be-questioned supreme spiritual leader of the Tibetans. In that way, they use the Dalai Lama as leverage to impose their will on the Tibetan people. Unlike Shamar Rinpoche, the high regent of the Karma Kagyu, few dare to stand their ground and uphold their rights as provided by their tradition. And yet we see the Dalai Lama and CTA interfering with the selection of the 17th Karmapa, choosing to endorse Tai Situ Rinpoche's Chinese candidate over Shamar Rinpoche's candidate. Tai Situ Rinpoche of course has spoken against Dorje Shugden although the matter has little to do with the Karma Kagyus' traditional practice. To date, we see the Dalai Lama acknowledging Orgyen Trinley as the 17th Karmapa although the matter has not been fully resolved amongst the Kargyupas. Dear BlueUpali,

One thing is for sure, that is, the CTA certainly profiles the Dalai Lama popularly as the not-to-be-questioned supreme spiritual leader of the Tibetans. In that way, they use the Dalai Lama as leverage to impose their will on the Tibetan people. Unlike Shamar Rinpoche, the high regent of the Karma Kagyu, few dare to stand their ground and uphold their rights as provided by their tradition. And yet we see the Dalai Lama and CTA interfering with the selection of the 17th Karmapa, choosing to endorse Tai Situ Rinpoche’s Chinese candidate over Shamar Rinpoche’s candidate. Tai Situ Rinpoche of course has spoken against Dorje Shugden although the matter has little to do with the Karma Kagyus’ traditional practice. To date, we see the Dalai Lama acknowledging Orgyen Trinley as the 17th Karmapa although the matter has not been fully resolved amongst the Kargyupas.

]]> By: BlueUpali https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-49839 BlueUpali Sun, 05 May 2013 22:47:35 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-49839 Hello Vajratruth, I appreciate, I think, that you are making a point that it is hard for Tibetans to go against the feudal ideology of the Dalai Lama. I would not, however, say that all Tibetans view the Dalai Lama as a god-king, but rather, that some do, and others simply keep out of his and his supporters' way, in order to keep their lives and thereby, practice, intact. Shamar Rinpoche, for instance, is Tibetan, and i don't think he would refer to the Dalai Lama as his own personal god-king:). Hello Vajratruth,
I appreciate, I think, that you are making a point that it is hard for Tibetans to go against the feudal ideology of the Dalai Lama. I would not, however, say that all Tibetans view the Dalai Lama as a god-king, but rather, that some do, and others simply keep out of his and his supporters’ way, in order to keep their lives and thereby, practice, intact. Shamar Rinpoche, for instance, is Tibetan, and i don’t think he would refer to the Dalai Lama as his own personal god-king:).

]]> By: Vajratruth https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-49803 Vajratruth Sun, 28 Apr 2013 07:41:31 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-49803 Dear BlueUpali, You are right to say that the Dalai Lama is not the spiritual head of any of the Tibetan Buddhist traditions, and not even the spiritual head of his own sect which is the Gelugpa. That position is held by the Ganden Tripa. However, the Dalai Lama is regarded by all Tibetans as their absolute god-king, and for a people who is accustomed to centuries of feudalistic theocratic rule, there is little separation of church and state in their mindset. And this has been horribly exploited by the CTA. A clear case is the Dorje Shugden ban, where to ignore the ban decreed by the CTA is tantamount to being against the Dalai Lama, and therefore, to be against the Dharma. Of course this is not true but this is how the ban has been forced down the throats of the Tibetan people. Dear BlueUpali,

You are right to say that the Dalai Lama is not the spiritual head of any of the Tibetan Buddhist traditions, and not even the spiritual head of his own sect which is the Gelugpa. That position is held by the Ganden Tripa. However, the Dalai Lama is regarded by all Tibetans as their absolute god-king, and for a people who is accustomed to centuries of feudalistic theocratic rule, there is little separation of church and state in their mindset. And this has been horribly exploited by the CTA.

A clear case is the Dorje Shugden ban, where to ignore the ban decreed by the CTA is tantamount to being against the Dalai Lama, and therefore, to be against the Dharma. Of course this is not true but this is how the ban has been forced down the throats of the Tibetan people.

]]> By: BlueUpali https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-cta-violates-its-own-constitution/comment-page-1/#comment-49757 BlueUpali Sat, 27 Apr 2013 01:34:11 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=28317#comment-49757 The Dalai Lama was never historically the spiritual leader of Tibet; he was their political leader, and announced himself as the spiritual leader this life; in the 1960s the Dalai Lama tried to merge the four schools. I wish the people that write these articles would referencing the Dalai Lama as Tibet's spiritual leader. He isn't in charge of all four schools, or even really, his own school. The Dalai Lama was never historically the spiritual leader of Tibet; he was their political leader, and announced himself as the spiritual leader this life; in the 1960s the Dalai Lama tried to merge the four schools. I wish the people that write these articles would referencing the Dalai Lama as Tibet’s spiritual leader. He isn’t in charge of all four schools, or even really, his own school.

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