Comments on: The Ban on Dorje Shugden: A Manifested Mistake? https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Thupten Lhundrup https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-50747 Thupten Lhundrup Wed, 24 Jul 2013 06:20:46 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-50747 I thank Ven Lama Zopa Rinpoche for writing this long and extensive foreword. I see this piece of composition derived from a lot of compassion and concern for the reader. It has a play of skillful means of educating the reader and also not to explicitly stand on either sides. The true nature of the lineage masters of Kyabje Pabongkhapa are very skilled in handling the works of educating sentient beings and leading them out of suffering. When we read in between the lines and really put our minds into the big picture, we will be able to appreciate what these highly attained Lamas are doing in order to help us in our spiritual development. Many thanks to Lama Zopa Rinpoche and people behind dorjeshugden.com to post this up. This has definitely empowered me to continue my practice. I thank Ven Lama Zopa Rinpoche for writing this long and extensive foreword. I see this piece of composition derived from a lot of compassion and concern for the reader. It has a play of skillful means of educating the reader and also not to explicitly stand on either sides. The true nature of the lineage masters of Kyabje Pabongkhapa are very skilled in handling the works of educating sentient beings and leading them out of suffering.

When we read in between the lines and really put our minds into the big picture, we will be able to appreciate what these highly attained Lamas are doing in order to help us in our spiritual development.

Many thanks to Lama Zopa Rinpoche and people behind dorjeshugden.com to post this up. This has definitely empowered me to continue my practice.

]]> By: BlueUpali https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-49906 BlueUpali Mon, 03 Jun 2013 20:33:57 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-49906 I have always thought that the Dalai Lama, if he is a Buddha, is one that is manifesting a mistake. I hope he is a Buddha, teaching by manifesting obstacles for us to overcome to increase our merit. Otherwise, he would be getting the henious karma of having divided the Gelug Sangha over Shugden and also the Kagyu ones over Karmapa. Just in case, I do Vajrasattva for him, and pray he will not fall into the lower realms, since I am not really able to tell yet who is a Buddha or not. Trijang, Zong, and Geshe Kelsang Rinpoches all seem to me like they are giving the straitforward Buddha teachings, and the 'manifestation of a mistake' would be the Dalai Lama's, for his current ban. Still Lama Zopa seems to be teaching a lojong practicum by what he writes. We learned lojong from the normal teachers, now he will help us watch our minds by teaching by reverse psychology. I have always thought that the Dalai Lama, if he is a Buddha, is one that is manifesting a mistake. I hope he is a Buddha, teaching by manifesting obstacles for us to overcome to increase our merit. Otherwise, he would be getting the henious karma of having divided the Gelug Sangha over Shugden and also the Kagyu ones over Karmapa. Just in case, I do Vajrasattva for him, and pray he will not fall into the lower realms, since I am not really able to tell yet who is a Buddha or not.
Trijang, Zong, and Geshe Kelsang Rinpoches all seem to me like they are giving the straitforward Buddha teachings, and the ‘manifestation of a mistake’ would be the Dalai Lama’s, for his current ban. Still Lama Zopa seems to be teaching a lojong practicum by what he writes. We learned lojong from the normal teachers, now he will help us watch our minds by teaching by reverse psychology.

]]> By: Gaz https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-32002 Gaz Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:58:24 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-32002 @Sempen you speak many big words, with no absolute meaning :D @Sempen you speak many big words, with no absolute meaning :D

]]> By: Sempen Semchog https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28706 Sempen Semchog Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:26:18 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28706 These kind of discussions about Dorje Sugden seem to be voids. Why is so important? In my humble opinion never mind if you are devote of Dorje Sugden, God or Virginal Mary. All of them are merely symbols in our mind. So why to debate about the meaning of symbols, if their meanings depend completely from subject, from the meaning that have for me? It is like 'swastika', a sacred symbol in eastern, and a terrible symbol of Nazis. What is the meaning of swastika by its proper side? Who is Dorje Sugden independently of our mind? It is a crazy debate to defend any position absolutely, if for a person Dorje Sugden has a positive meaning, if He represents an Archetype of 'Light' , this practice will be very positive for this person. But if in the mind of that person He represents some terrified symbol that generates fear, it is better to practice another. Dorje Sugden has no absolute meaning. These kind of discussions about Dorje Sugden seem to be voids.
Why is so important?
In my humble opinion never mind if you are devote of Dorje Sugden, God or Virginal Mary. All of them are merely symbols in our mind.
So why to debate about the meaning of symbols, if their meanings depend completely from subject, from the meaning that have for me?

It is like ‘swastika’, a sacred symbol in eastern, and a terrible symbol of Nazis.
What is the meaning of swastika by its proper side?
Who is Dorje Sugden independently of our mind?

It is a crazy debate to defend any position absolutely, if for a person Dorje Sugden has a positive meaning, if He represents an Archetype of ‘Light’ , this practice will be very positive for this person. But if in the mind of that person He represents some terrified symbol that generates fear, it is better to practice another.

Dorje Sugden has no absolute meaning.

]]> By: tsogt https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28683 tsogt Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:07:02 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28683 Agree with Tenny. If Dalai was Aryapala then he would not have started this practice in the beginning only to say that it was mistaken after 20 years or so analizes. Since Buddha does not need that long to clarify thing... If dalai lama is not Buddha then he is going hell cause he broke his samaya to his guru HH Trijan Rinpoche. So his followers also going hell, just logically thinking... He is not only broke guru samaya but splitting sangha bringing so much suffering to people, karmic result is heavy also. In addition to these Dalai lama is breaking basic human right of not only Tibetans but other natinalities- it is a crime to be stopped. Enough is said. Though alot can be said... Agree with Tenny. If Dalai was Aryapala then he would not have started this practice in the beginning only to say that it was mistaken after 20 years or so analizes. Since Buddha does not need that long to clarify thing… If dalai lama is not Buddha then he is going hell cause he broke his samaya to his guru HH Trijan Rinpoche. So his followers also going hell, just logically thinking… He is not only broke guru samaya but splitting sangha bringing so much suffering to people, karmic result is heavy also. In addition to these Dalai lama is breaking basic human right of not only Tibetans but other natinalities- it is a crime to be stopped. Enough is said. Though alot can be said…

]]> By: Tenny https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28619 Tenny Wed, 12 Sep 2012 08:19:22 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28619 It's really sad to see how things have changed nowadays. He talks about the 5 heinous crimes. This crime has already been fully committed by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Now he is following that knowingly he is doing something wrong. Just praying for the day when the Truth conquers and these hypocrites suffer! May that day come fast! It’s really sad to see how things have changed nowadays.

He talks about the 5 heinous crimes. This crime has already been fully committed by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Now he is following that knowingly he is doing something wrong.

Just praying for the day when the Truth conquers and these hypocrites suffer!
May that day come fast!

]]> By: Sean https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28597 Sean Fri, 07 Sep 2012 21:14:01 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28597 If not for the kindness of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, I would never have met Dharma teachings, and if not for the kindness of Dorje Shugden, Geshe-la could not have given the teachings: "All of Geshe Kelsang's books are commentaries to Je Tsongkhapa's teachings. Indeed, Geshe-la has remarked that he regards all these books as coming from Je Tsongkhapa, with himself as being like a cassette recorder into which the Wisdom Buddha, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugdän, has placed the cassette of Je Tsongkhapa's teachings. " http://meditationincolorado.org/history_new_kadampa_tradition.htm So while I have no ill will towards the Dalai Lama, I will continue to regard Geshe-la as my guru, and his Dharma Protector as my Dharma Protector. If not for the kindness of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, I would never have met Dharma teachings, and if not for the kindness of Dorje Shugden, Geshe-la could not have given the teachings: “All of Geshe Kelsang’s books are commentaries to Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings. Indeed, Geshe-la has remarked that he regards all these books as coming from Je Tsongkhapa, with himself as being like a cassette recorder into which the Wisdom Buddha, the Dharma Protector Dorje Shugdän, has placed the cassette of Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings. ” http://meditationincolorado.org/history_new_kadampa_tradition.htm

So while I have no ill will towards the Dalai Lama, I will continue to regard Geshe-la as my guru, and his Dharma Protector as my Dharma Protector.

]]> By: jo https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28590 jo Thu, 06 Sep 2012 23:01:21 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28590 I do not agree with this foreword and I will not follow it. I do not agree with this foreword and I will not follow it.

]]> By: Anonymous https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28583 Anonymous Thu, 06 Sep 2012 00:45:38 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28583 禅 ，是指禅法，即通过禅定静虑而领悟佛教之道，其方法很多。安世高所译禅法，以 安般守意 影响最大，它要求坐禅时专心计数呼吸次数，使分散浮躁的精神专注，从而进入到安谧宁静的境界。这种修禅方法与当时神仙方术家的 食气 、 导气 、 守一 等说法是相似的，容易被人接受。 [当时神仙方术家相似的] Esoteric Buddhism is a very adaptative, assimilative, adorative and accomodative teaching. It adapts to all fierce deities in Tibetan region of the old days where the tribes in awe and love, to bring them into Buddhahood by fierce faces sculptural Bodhisavattas etc. And if esoteric buddhists monkhood and nunhood are not in good term, the benefit for laybuddhist in esoteric buddhism may suffer disconnection of love in its daily living. Monkhood is to preach the true beings of all laybuddhists instead of Buddhism as a group, while laybuddhists support monkhood on daily living as it needs monkhood immersion to comprehend and flourishing the universal policy of buddhism. 禅 ，是指禅法，即通过禅定静虑而领悟佛教之道，其方法很多。安世高所译禅法，以 安般守意 影响最大，它要求坐禅时专心计数呼吸次数，使分散浮躁的精神专注，从而进入到安谧宁静的境界。这种修禅方法与当时神仙方术家的 食气 、 导气 、 守一 等说法是相似的，容易被人接受。

[当时神仙方术家相似的]
Esoteric Buddhism is a very adaptative, assimilative, adorative and accomodative teaching. It adapts to all fierce deities in Tibetan region of the old days where the tribes in awe and love, to bring them into Buddhahood by fierce faces sculptural Bodhisavattas etc. And if esoteric buddhists monkhood and nunhood are not in good term, the benefit for laybuddhist in esoteric buddhism may suffer disconnection of love in its daily living.

Monkhood is to preach the true beings of all laybuddhists instead of Buddhism as a group, while laybuddhists support monkhood on daily living as it needs monkhood immersion to comprehend and flourishing the universal policy of buddhism.

]]> By: Jungney Doaremon https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-ban-on-dorje-shugden-a-manifested-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-28581 Jungney Doaremon Wed, 05 Sep 2012 23:36:51 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=24101#comment-28581 The worldly crafts figurine of famous people. Buddhism Mahayana crafts Buddha, Bodhisavatta statues to benefit practitioners. Theravada crafts statue of monks as representation of arhat. Most importantly, the practice and Shugden and how it relates to the daily living of compassion and benevolence yet in divination. The worldly crafts figurine of famous people. Buddhism Mahayana crafts Buddha, Bodhisavatta statues to benefit practitioners. Theravada crafts statue of monks as representation of arhat. Most importantly, the practice and Shugden and how it relates to the daily living of compassion and benevolence yet in divination.

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