Comments on: The 17th Karmapa and the 11th Panchen Lama – a Chinese conspiracy? https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-17th-karmapa-and-the-11th-panchen-lama-a-chinese-conspiracy/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: BlueUpali https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-17th-karmapa-and-the-11th-panchen-lama-a-chinese-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-49486 BlueUpali Sat, 20 Apr 2013 03:25:45 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=27001#comment-49486 Urgen Thrinley was educated in China, was, as the article indicates, selected by both China and the Dalai lama, which was political, rather than spiritual; do you really expect him to be motivated by lama-disciple relationship? At any rate, as a Kagyu, he may not see the Dalai Lama as his teacher, but rather Tai Situ, the Kagyu regent who (against tradition, and without the consent of Shamar Rinpoche) faxed the Dalai Lama asking if Urgen Thrinley would be appropriate to pick as Karmapa. Though the Dalai Lama only responded that it would be appropriate if all four (Kagyu, including Shamar Rinpoche) regents were in agreement, and although Shamar Rinpoche wasn't in agreement, Tai Situ went through with the recognition. China backed this, so you see, this is a time where politics interfered with religion;( perhaps freedom of religion is something that the CTA would like to consider? Along with separating church and state? This would help Buddhism considerably.) So, here is the point: if the DL picks someone for political reasons rather than spiritual ones, then you know, it doesn't seem unlikely for that person to follow their own political motives. Urgen Thrinley was educated in China, was, as the article indicates, selected by both China and the Dalai lama, which was political, rather than spiritual; do you really expect him to be motivated by lama-disciple relationship? At any rate, as a Kagyu, he may not see the Dalai Lama as his teacher, but rather Tai Situ, the Kagyu regent who (against tradition, and without the consent of Shamar Rinpoche) faxed the Dalai Lama asking if Urgen Thrinley would be appropriate to pick as Karmapa. Though the Dalai Lama only responded that it would be appropriate if all four (Kagyu, including Shamar Rinpoche) regents were in agreement, and although Shamar Rinpoche wasn’t in agreement, Tai Situ went through with the recognition. China backed this, so you see, this is a time where politics interfered with religion;( perhaps freedom of religion is something that the CTA would like to consider? Along with separating church and state? This would help Buddhism considerably.) So, here is the point: if the DL picks someone for political reasons rather than spiritual ones, then you know, it doesn’t seem unlikely for that person to follow their own political motives.

]]> By: happy_one https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-17th-karmapa-and-the-11th-panchen-lama-a-chinese-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-48784 happy_one Mon, 25 Mar 2013 11:30:51 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=27001#comment-48784 Kyabje Tenga Rinpoche before paranirvana answered the question about where to look after his next incarnation- "ask Karmapa, he will know it". So next incarnation of Kyabje Tenga Rinpoche will end the Karmapa Controversy. Kyabje Tenga Rinpoche before paranirvana answered the question about where to look after his next incarnation- “ask Karmapa, he will know it”. So next incarnation of Kyabje Tenga Rinpoche will end the Karmapa Controversy.

]]> By: ricardo oliveira https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-17th-karmapa-and-the-11th-panchen-lama-a-chinese-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-47432 ricardo oliveira Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:40:34 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=27001#comment-47432 I like this I like this

]]> By: Q https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-17th-karmapa-and-the-11th-panchen-lama-a-chinese-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-43841 Q Sun, 13 Jan 2013 19:16:44 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=27001#comment-43841 I couldn't stop laughing as I read through the article! Not in a put down way, but how the CTA thinks they have control over everything only to find themselves being slapped across the face. The bigger issue here, is that the DL endorsed Karmapa, do not have to listen to HHDL. By meeting the Panchen Lama that was not supported by the DL shows us clearly that although HHDL supports Orgyen Trinley in so many ways, spiritually, the Karmapa do not need to listen or follow what the DL says. I love it when people react in ways that is not motivated due to 'friendship' but because it is the right thing to do. The Karmapa shows us that, CTA doesn't. Why? Look at how they brand Gangchen Rinpoche etc for meeting the Panchen Lama. These CTA guys will find any reason to bad mouth DS practitioners to the point where stupidity overrides logic. I couldn’t stop laughing as I read through the article! Not in a put down way, but how the CTA thinks they have control over everything only to find themselves being slapped across the face.

The bigger issue here, is that the DL endorsed Karmapa, do not have to listen to HHDL. By meeting the Panchen Lama that was not supported by the DL shows us clearly that although HHDL supports Orgyen Trinley in so many ways, spiritually, the Karmapa do not need to listen or follow what the DL says.

I love it when people react in ways that is not motivated due to ‘friendship’ but because it is the right thing to do. The Karmapa shows us that, CTA doesn’t. Why? Look at how they brand Gangchen Rinpoche etc for meeting the Panchen Lama. These CTA guys will find any reason to bad mouth DS practitioners to the point where stupidity overrides logic.

]]> By: Dolce Vita https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/the-17th-karmapa-and-the-11th-panchen-lama-a-chinese-conspiracy/comment-page-1/#comment-43794 Dolce Vita Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:14:42 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=27001#comment-43794 The stance of CTA is really confusing. On one hand, they do not agree with lamas who are close with China; on the other hand, they seem to support the 17th Karmapa who obviously has a very close relationship with the Chinese. If CTA's concern is really about Tibet's independence, why do they keep a close relationship with the 17th Karmapa? They should keep a distance with all lamas who are close to the Chinese, regardless of who they are. For so many years now CTA did not have any progress in freeing Tibet, this makes me think that the suppression on Dorje Shugden practice is simply to cover their incompetency. They convenient put the blame on Dorje Shugden practitioners saying that their practice has created obstacles to their 'free tibet' campaign. The stance of CTA is really confusing. On one hand, they do not agree with lamas who are close with China; on the other hand, they seem to support the 17th Karmapa who obviously has a very close relationship with the Chinese. If CTA’s concern is really about Tibet’s independence, why do they keep a close relationship with the 17th Karmapa? They should keep a distance with all lamas who are close to the Chinese, regardless of who they are.

For so many years now CTA did not have any progress in freeing Tibet, this makes me think that the suppression on Dorje Shugden practice is simply to cover their incompetency. They convenient put the blame on Dorje Shugden practitioners saying that their practice has created obstacles to their ‘free tibet’ campaign.

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