Comments on: Testimony of a Victim of the Shugden Persecutions https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dalai Lama should set things right https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-622923 Dalai Lama should set things right Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:08:25 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-622923 Dear Dalai Lama, Since you started the cruel ban against the 350 year Dorje Shugden practice, how has it benefit your Tibetan society and Buddhism in the world? <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">Things have become worse and most educated Tibetans can see this.</font> They don't speak out not because they don't see your ban as wrong, but you instill fear in them and not respect. It is like fear of a dictator. I am sorry to say so. Everyone is divided. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">There is no harmony.</font> Before your ban there was more harmony and unity. By enacting the ban, you split the monasteries, split so many families, split regions in Tibet apart, split your disciples from you, split your own gurus from you, split Tibetan Buddhism apart. You have created so much disharmony. It is not democratic what you have done to ban a religion within your community. You always talk of tolerance and acceptance and democracy and yet you do not accept and tolerate something different from your beliefs. When people practice Dorje Shugden you ostracize them, ban them from seeing you, ban them from using Tibetan facilities. You know you have done that. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">There are videos that capture your speech and prove this point.</font> You even had people expelled from monasteries just because they practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the monks you expelled have been in the monastery for over 40 years. Many older monks shed tears because of this. Many young educated Tibetans lost confidence in you as they saw the damage the Dorje Shugden ban created and they lose hope. Many have become free thinkers. They reject what you have done. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">So many people in the west left Buddhism because of the confusion you created with this ban against Dorje Shugden which is immoral.</font> You could of had millions of people who practice Dorje Shugden to support, love and follow you, but you scared them away. They are hurt and very disappointed. They loved you and respected you deeply before the ban. It has been 60 years and you have failed to get Tibet back. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">Your biggest failure is not getting Tibet back after 57 years in exile.</font> Now you are begging China to allow you to return to Tibet to the disappointment of thousands of people who fought for a free Tibet believing in you. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">So many self-immolated for a free Tibet and now you want Tibet to be a part of China with no referendum from Tibetans.</font> Just like a dictator, you decide on your own. It was your government and you that lost Tibet in the first place. Your policies and style of doing things do not benefit Tibet and Buddhism. You have been the sole ruler of Tibet your whole life and you still have not gotten our country of Tibet back for us. Our families and us are separated. Yet you create more pain by creating a ban to further divide people. Please have compassion. No other Buddhist leader has banned or condemned any religion except for you. It looks very bad. You are a Nobel laureate and this is not fitting of a laureate. You should unite people and not separate them by religious differences. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">You said Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi did not do right to the Rohingya people in Myanmar due to religious differences, but you are doing the same thing to the Shugden Buddhists within your own society.</font> There is a parallel in this. You separate the Shugden Buddhists from the others in Tibetan society. You have lost so many people who would have loved and supported you. You have lost so much support around the world. The Shugden Buddhists who love you number in the millions. When you are fast losing support from governments and private people, it will not do you well to lose more. After you are passed away in the future, the rift you created between the Dorje Shugden and non-Dorje Shugden people will remain for a while and that will be your legacy. Disharmony. You will be remembered for this. Not as a hero but a disharmony creator. Dorje Shugden will spread and further grow, but you will be no more as you are a human. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">No one wishes you bad and in fact we hope you have a long and healthy life, but we have lost so much hope and have so much despair because of you.</font> All the hundreds of Dorje Shugden lamas, tulkus and geshes are maturing and there are hundreds of Dorje Shugden monasteries in Tibet who will not give up Dorje Shugden. You have made a mistake. These hundreds of teachers and teachers to be will spread Dorje Shugden further in the future. The gurus that gave us Dorje Shugden as a spiritual practice and you have called these holy gurus wrong and they are mistaken in giving us Dorje Shugden. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">How can you insult our gurus whom we respect so much? If they can be wrong, then you can be wrong.</font> Then all gurus can be wrong. So no one needs to listen to any guru? You have created this trend. It is not healthy. Your own gurus practiced Dorje Shugden their whole lives. Your own gurus were exemplary and highly learned. Dalai Lama you have created so much pain with this ban against so many people due to religion. You are ageing fast. Are you going to do anything about it or stay stubborn, hard and un-moving. You show a smile and preach peace and harmony wherever you go. But will you do the same to your own people? Please rectify the wrong you have done. Please before it is too late. You can create harmony again or you can pass away in the future with this legacy of peace. May you live long and think carefully and admit what was a mistake in having this unethical ban against Dorje Shugden religion. <a href="http://www.dorjeshugden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/download.jpg" title="Download: download.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.dorjeshugden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/download.jpg"></a> Dear Dalai Lama,

Since you started the cruel ban against the 350 year Dorje Shugden practice, how has it benefit your Tibetan society and Buddhism in the world? Things have become worse and most educated Tibetans can see this. They don’t speak out not because they don’t see your ban as wrong, but you instill fear in them and not respect. It is like fear of a dictator. I am sorry to say so. Everyone is divided. There is no harmony. Before your ban there was more harmony and unity.

By enacting the ban, you split the monasteries, split so many families, split regions in Tibet apart, split your disciples from you, split your own gurus from you, split Tibetan Buddhism apart. You have created so much disharmony.

It is not democratic what you have done to ban a religion within your community. You always talk of tolerance and acceptance and democracy and yet you do not accept and tolerate something different from your beliefs. When people practice Dorje Shugden you ostracize them, ban them from seeing you, ban them from using Tibetan facilities. You know you have done that. There are videos that capture your speech and prove this point. You even had people expelled from monasteries just because they practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the monks you expelled have been in the monastery for over 40 years. Many older monks shed tears because of this.

Many young educated Tibetans lost confidence in you as they saw the damage the Dorje Shugden ban created and they lose hope. Many have become free thinkers. They reject what you have done. So many people in the west left Buddhism because of the confusion you created with this ban against Dorje Shugden which is immoral.

You could of had millions of people who practice Dorje Shugden to support, love and follow you, but you scared them away. They are hurt and very disappointed. They loved you and respected you deeply before the ban. It has been 60 years and you have failed to get Tibet back. Your biggest failure is not getting Tibet back after 57 years in exile. Now you are begging China to allow you to return to Tibet to the disappointment of thousands of people who fought for a free Tibet believing in you. So many self-immolated for a free Tibet and now you want Tibet to be a part of China with no referendum from Tibetans. Just like a dictator, you decide on your own. It was your government and you that lost Tibet in the first place. Your policies and style of doing things do not benefit Tibet and Buddhism. You have been the sole ruler of Tibet your whole life and you still have not gotten our country of Tibet back for us. Our families and us are separated. Yet you create more pain by creating a ban to further divide people. Please have compassion.

No other Buddhist leader has banned or condemned any religion except for you. It looks very bad. You are a Nobel laureate and this is not fitting of a laureate. You should unite people and not separate them by religious differences.

You said Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi did not do right to the Rohingya people in Myanmar due to religious differences, but you are doing the same thing to the Shugden Buddhists within your own society. There is a parallel in this. You separate the Shugden Buddhists from the others in Tibetan society.

You have lost so many people who would have loved and supported you. You have lost so much support around the world. The Shugden Buddhists who love you number in the millions. When you are fast losing support from governments and private people, it will not do you well to lose more.

After you are passed away in the future, the rift you created between the Dorje Shugden and non-Dorje Shugden people will remain for a while and that will be your legacy. Disharmony. You will be remembered for this. Not as a hero but a disharmony creator.

Dorje Shugden will spread and further grow, but you will be no more as you are a human. No one wishes you bad and in fact we hope you have a long and healthy life, but we have lost so much hope and have so much despair because of you. All the hundreds of Dorje Shugden lamas, tulkus and geshes are maturing and there are hundreds of Dorje Shugden monasteries in Tibet who will not give up Dorje Shugden. You have made a mistake. These hundreds of teachers and teachers to be will spread Dorje Shugden further in the future.

The gurus that gave us Dorje Shugden as a spiritual practice and you have called these holy gurus wrong and they are mistaken in giving us Dorje Shugden. How can you insult our gurus whom we respect so much? If they can be wrong, then you can be wrong. Then all gurus can be wrong. So no one needs to listen to any guru? You have created this trend. It is not healthy. Your own gurus practiced Dorje Shugden their whole lives. Your own gurus were exemplary and highly learned.

Dalai Lama you have created so much pain with this ban against so many people due to religion. You are ageing fast. Are you going to do anything about it or stay stubborn, hard and un-moving. You show a smile and preach peace and harmony wherever you go. But will you do the same to your own people? Please rectify the wrong you have done. Please before it is too late. You can create harmony again or you can pass away in the future with this legacy of peace. May you live long and think carefully and admit what was a mistake in having this unethical ban against Dorje Shugden religion.

]]> By: Lhakpa Dhendup https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-622735 Lhakpa Dhendup Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:35:30 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-622735 <b>What will the all the people around the world and in Tibet do now? Dalai Lama says he is happy that Tibet is a part of China and should remain a part of China. So many Tibetans self-immolated for Tibet to be independent and now Dalai Lama did a 360 degree turn and says he wants to go back to Tibet and China and Tibet should be a part of China. So unbelievable. So many are angry and disappointed. </b> <q><b><span style="font-size:1.4em;color:red">Tibetans ready to be part of China: Dalai Lama</span></b> Organised by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the event was a part of "Thank You India - 2018" held by the Tibetan community across India to mark 60 years of its exile in the country. Indo-Asian News Service Bengaluru Tibetans are ready to be a part of China if guaranteed full rights to preserve their culture, the Dalai Lama said on Friday. "Tibetans are not asking for independence. We are okay with remaining with the People's Republic of China, provided we have full rights to preserve our culture," the 83-year-old spiritual leader said at "Thank You Karnataka" event here in the city. Organised by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the event was a part of "Thank You India - 2018" held by the Tibetan community across India to mark 60 years of its exile in the country. "Several of Chinese citizens practicing Buddhism are keen on Tibetan Buddhism as it is considered scientific," the Nobel laureate said. Born in Taktser hamlet in northeastern Tibet, the Dalai Lama was recognized at the age of two as the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso. He fled to India from Tibet after a failed uprising against the Chinese rule in 1959. China annexed Tibet in 1950, forcing thousands of Tibetans, including monks, to flee the mountain country and settle in India as refugees. Since then, India has been home to over 100,000 Tibetans majorly settled in Karnataka, Himachal Pradesh among other states. https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/india/tibetans-ready-to-be-part-of-china-dalai-lama/293109.html</q> What will the all the people around the world and in Tibet do now? Dalai Lama says he is happy that Tibet is a part of China and should remain a part of China. So many Tibetans self-immolated for Tibet to be independent and now Dalai Lama did a 360 degree turn and says he wants to go back to Tibet and China and Tibet should be a part of China. So unbelievable. So many are angry and disappointed.

Tibetans ready to be part of China: Dalai Lama
Organised by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the event was a part of “Thank You India – 2018″ held by the Tibetan community across India to mark 60 years of its exile in the country.
Indo-Asian News Service
Bengaluru
Tibetans are ready to be a part of China if guaranteed full rights to preserve their culture, the Dalai Lama said on Friday.
“Tibetans are not asking for independence. We are okay with remaining with the People’s Republic of China, provided we have full rights to preserve our culture,” the 83-year-old spiritual leader said at “Thank You Karnataka” event here in the city.
Organised by the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), the event was a part of “Thank You India – 2018″ held by the Tibetan community across India to mark 60 years of its exile in the country.
“Several of Chinese citizens practicing Buddhism are keen on Tibetan Buddhism as it is considered scientific,” the Nobel laureate said.
Born in Taktser hamlet in northeastern Tibet, the Dalai Lama was recognized at the age of two as the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama, Thubten Gyatso. He fled to India from Tibet after a failed uprising against the Chinese rule in 1959.
China annexed Tibet in 1950, forcing thousands of Tibetans, including monks, to flee the mountain country and settle in India as refugees.
Since then, India has been home to over 100,000 Tibetans majorly settled in Karnataka, Himachal Pradesh among other states.
https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/india/tibetans-ready-to-be-part-of-china-dalai-lama/293109.html

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]]> By: Sierra https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-205314 Sierra Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:52:42 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-205314 It is very sad to read of the fist hand account of people who are right smack in the middle of a discrimination. In this case, they were not actively getting involved in politics. The Tibetans mus be educated not to simply take sides and hound the others. They do have to learn to have empathy and sympathy. Guess, that's what Buddhism is teaching. The old saying of "you can bring a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink". You can the Dharma to these people who are making life so hard for the Shugden practitioner but you cannot make them embrace it. Maybe it is their karma. Maybe they just don't want to make the effort. It is always easier to follow where comfort is - in this case what the leaders say. Toe the line and there will be no problem!! Sounds like a dictatorship to me. It is very sad to read of the fist hand account of people who are right smack in the middle of a discrimination. In this case, they were not actively getting involved in politics.

The Tibetans mus be educated not to simply take sides and hound the others. They do have to learn to have empathy and sympathy.

Guess, that’s what Buddhism is teaching. The old saying of “you can bring a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink”.

You can the Dharma to these people who are making life so hard for the Shugden practitioner but you cannot make them embrace it.

Maybe it is their karma. Maybe they just don’t want to make the effort. It is always easier to follow where comfort is – in this case what the leaders say. Toe the line and there will be no problem!! Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

]]> By: Camilia https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-205196 Camilia Sun, 05 Jun 2016 13:30:44 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-205196 Every SINGLE DAY in the past 20 years, millions of people like Kalsang Dolma suffered an unspeakable fate. Kalsang Dolma is one of the 4million Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world who face this sad plight but not many dare to step forward to tell their stories. When will the world starts to see the sinister nature of the Tibetan government in exile (CTA), who on the one hand demands justice and freedom from China but at the same time oppresses the people it is supposed to represent and protect? Dalai Lama and CTA can stopped all these sufferings. They can lift the ban and restore peace & harmony, men broken relationship; BUT they did NOT do it. Every SINGLE DAY in the past 20 years, millions of people like Kalsang Dolma suffered an unspeakable fate. Kalsang Dolma is one of the 4million Dorje Shugden practitioners around the world who face this sad plight but not many dare to step forward to tell their stories. When will the world starts to see the sinister nature of the Tibetan government in exile (CTA), who on the one hand demands justice and freedom from China but at the same time oppresses the people it is supposed to represent and protect? Dalai Lama and CTA can stopped all these sufferings. They can lift the ban and restore peace & harmony, men broken relationship; BUT they did NOT do it.

]]> By: SabrinaS https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-205117 SabrinaS Fri, 27 May 2016 11:25:33 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-205117 Thank you Kelsang Dolma for sharing your painful story here. I am glad that from the suffering you faced, your are stronger and stand up against the discrimination and injustice. The anti-Shugdens declare that Shugden is a "ghost" and yet it is them who does not practice the Buddha's teachings of compassion to all sentient beings. Wouldn't that make the Shugden practitioners more true, with integrity and loyalty to their Gurus and practice. Its appalling to see how the anti-Shugdens so vulgar in their comments against such highly attained Lamas from which the lineage teachings had come through. HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Zong Rinpoche are absolutely without faults and yet this people, supposedly "Buddhists" can disparage the Sangha without guilt. In fact they rejoice and try to top each other by being more vulgar than the other. What sadden me is that they have no idea of how they are affecting their own karma and those of their Gurus. May the Dalai Lama in his wisdom recognise the terrible degeneration of the dharma and swiftly lift the ban before pure teachings disappear. Thank you Kelsang Dolma for sharing your painful story here. I am glad that from the suffering you faced, your are stronger and stand up against the discrimination and injustice.
The anti-Shugdens declare that Shugden is a “ghost” and yet it is them who does not practice the Buddha’s teachings of compassion to all sentient beings. Wouldn’t that make the Shugden practitioners more true, with integrity and loyalty to their Gurus and practice.
Its appalling to see how the anti-Shugdens so vulgar in their comments against such highly attained Lamas from which the lineage teachings had come through. HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Zong Rinpoche are absolutely without faults and yet this people, supposedly “Buddhists” can disparage the Sangha without guilt. In fact they rejoice and try to top each other by being more vulgar than the other. What sadden me is that they have no idea of how they are affecting their own karma and those of their Gurus.
May the Dalai Lama in his wisdom recognise the terrible degeneration of the dharma and swiftly lift the ban before pure teachings disappear.

]]> By: Kelly Z https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-205060 Kelly Z Sun, 22 May 2016 02:04:34 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-205060 We need to hear Tibetan people like Kelsang speaking up more and to create awareness on such testimonials and experience because this is a real 1st hand experienced person.It will also inspire many more Kelsang like her to speak up, and stand up for your rights and the injustice ban that has caused so much suffering for so many families and friends. Please do not be silent as silence would only mean that you agree to the discrimination and ban and to throw away your human rights to religious freedom. I hope to see more and more Tibetans voicing out their rights as they deserve some peace and freedom since they already lost their country, they do not need to now lose their religion and protector too! We need to hear Tibetan people like Kelsang speaking up more and to create awareness on such testimonials and experience because this is a real 1st hand experienced person.It will also inspire many more Kelsang like her to speak up, and stand up for your rights and the injustice ban that has caused so much suffering for so many families and friends. Please do not be silent as silence would only mean that you agree to the discrimination and ban and to throw away your human rights to religious freedom. I hope to see more and more Tibetans voicing out their rights as they deserve some peace and freedom since they already lost their country, they do not need to now lose their religion and protector too!

]]> By: Winnie MB https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-205032 Winnie MB Tue, 17 May 2016 12:33:33 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-205032 It is very disheartening to see the discrimination towards Dorje Shugden practitioners. Even in this testimonial where Kalsang's brother is not a Shugden practitioner were asked to write letter to declare he did not practice. Why such discrimination and segregation among the Tibetans? Everyone has right in religious freedom and in a democratic country there shouldn't have such supression. No only that the ban has created a bias society to have different treatment just because of practise. This is not acceptable. It is very disheartening to see the discrimination towards Dorje Shugden practitioners. Even in this testimonial where Kalsang’s brother is not a Shugden practitioner were asked to write letter to declare he did not practice.

Why such discrimination and segregation among the Tibetans? Everyone has right in religious freedom and in a democratic country there shouldn’t have such supression. No only that the ban has created a bias society to have different treatment just because of practise. This is not acceptable.

]]> By: Pema https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-204981 Pema Fri, 13 May 2016 03:25:20 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-204981 To punish a family whose member has just passed away is just embarrassing and they have no care or compassion for someone else's pain. What an example are they showing to others, their family, the whole world and themselves. This is unacceptable and everyone knows that I suppose... To punish a family whose member has just passed away is just embarrassing and they have no care or compassion for someone else’s pain.

What an example are they showing to others, their family, the whole world and themselves. This is unacceptable and everyone knows that I suppose…

]]> By: Aloysius Bong https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-204971 Aloysius Bong Thu, 12 May 2016 07:53:55 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-204971 These are Dalai Lama's supporters, they are rude and vulgar, there is nothing human about them to attack another monk like that, dont even mention being Buddhists. And you wonder why Dalai Lama does not stop all these, but remain silent about these attacks that created so much negative karma. You wonder why. These are Dalai Lama’s supporters, they are rude and vulgar, there is nothing human about them to attack another monk like that, dont even mention being Buddhists. And you wonder why Dalai Lama does not stop all these, but remain silent about these attacks that created so much negative karma. You wonder why.

]]> By: Lovett https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/testimony-of-a-victim-of-the-shugden-persecutions/comment-page-1/#comment-204860 Lovett Wed, 04 May 2016 16:19:06 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=51005#comment-204860 Reading about these anti-Shugden people just makes me sick in the stomach. Why would anybody be so vulgar and rude over a religious issue. How can these people call themselves Buddhists and go for teachings with their lamas or even talk about getting a blessing. Wouldn't a blessing be shutting their mouths up and just transfer all that aggression and energy towards something that benefits instead? Reading about these anti-Shugden people just makes me sick in the stomach. Why would anybody be so vulgar and rude over a religious issue. How can these people call themselves Buddhists and go for teachings with their lamas or even talk about getting a blessing. Wouldn’t a blessing be shutting their mouths up and just transfer all that aggression and energy towards something that benefits instead?

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