Comments on: Self-immolations and the fight for true freedom https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/self-immolations-and-the-fight-for-true-freedom/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dorge https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/self-immolations-and-the-fight-for-true-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-41868 Dorge Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:05:06 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=26163#comment-41868 HH Dalai Lama and HH Karmapa has said that the self-immolations is not the way. : "I request the people of Tibet to preserve their lives and find other, constructive ways to work for the cause of Tibet. The situation is unbearably difficult, but in difficult situations we need greater courage and determination." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/10/karmapa-lama-tibetan-monks-stop) Please, do not manipulate the information. Don't do what dont want to be do with you. The self-immolations hurt our hearts, do not split the opinion, join to find a solution. Please remember: Refrain from Lying, Slandering, Gossiping and Spreading Rumours. I'm not a saint but if you dont have proves, you are just Slandering, Gossiping and Spreading Rumours. Don't lose more credibility from them whom still gives you the benefit of the doubt It seems to be just resentment, aversion, anger toward HH alai Lama, is the whole thing, a "mere" personal thing I'm sorry for my wrong english HH Dalai Lama and HH Karmapa has said that the self-immolations is not the way. : “I request the people of Tibet to preserve their lives and find other, constructive ways to work for the cause of Tibet. The situation is unbearably difficult, but in difficult situations we need greater courage and determination.” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/10/karmapa-lama-tibetan-monks-stop)

Please, do not manipulate the information. Don’t do what dont want to be do with you. The self-immolations hurt our hearts, do not split the opinion, join to find a solution. Please remember: Refrain from Lying, Slandering, Gossiping and Spreading Rumours.

I’m not a saint but if you dont have proves, you are just Slandering, Gossiping and Spreading Rumours.

Don’t lose more credibility from them whom still gives you the benefit of the doubt

It seems to be just resentment, aversion, anger toward HH alai Lama, is the whole thing, a “mere” personal thing

I’m sorry for my wrong english

]]> By: Jack H https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/self-immolations-and-the-fight-for-true-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-33873 Jack H Tue, 11 Dec 2012 11:18:08 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=26163#comment-33873 It is too easy to dismiss SI / as a political tool means to an end...when in reality it is something much worse...against humanity? against the dharma? possibly...or not it could be argued on this forum(as being a buddhist practice). Personally more and more I think about it? I find my position being against humanity why because we devalue the cost of a life. A rare and precious human life to practice the dharma...when will this opportunity come around for us practitioners without attainments. It is too easy to dismiss SI / as a political tool means to an end…when in reality it is something much worse…against humanity? against the dharma? possibly…or not it could be argued on this forum(as being a buddhist practice).
Personally more and more I think about it? I find my position being against humanity why because we devalue the cost of a life. A rare and precious human life to practice the dharma…when will this opportunity come around for us practitioners without attainments.

]]> By: Gaz https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/self-immolations-and-the-fight-for-true-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-33536 Gaz Mon, 10 Dec 2012 17:56:13 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=26163#comment-33536 @Kunga yeah but he didnt BAN self-immolations did he? If the Dalai Lama can ban Dorje Shugden, why doesnt he ban self-immolations? Why doesnt the CTA say that they ban self-immolations? Surely such strongly-worded language would be more clear for the Tibetans, and more would be inclined to follow them @Kunga yeah but he didnt BAN self-immolations did he? If the Dalai Lama can ban Dorje Shugden, why doesnt he ban self-immolations? Why doesnt the CTA say that they ban self-immolations? Surely such strongly-worded language would be more clear for the Tibetans, and more would be inclined to follow them

]]> By: kunga https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/self-immolations-and-the-fight-for-true-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-33474 kunga Mon, 10 Dec 2012 14:57:36 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=26163#comment-33474 his holiness himself said that selfimolation should not be pactise thw word of his holiness is the word of cta..... his holiness himself said that selfimolation should not be pactise thw word of his holiness is the word of cta…..

]]> By: vajtratruth https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/self-immolations-and-the-fight-for-true-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-30843 vajtratruth Tue, 04 Dec 2012 20:53:21 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=26163#comment-30843 "Then, while all this is happening, the CTA have remained unusually quiet about the self-immolations. Apart from the token occasional comments, they have said or done little else to try to stop the immolations. This inaction is leading to more loss of lives. Their silence becomes suspicious, making it seem that they may well be manipulating the situation to their advantage or even be behind the incidents. Are the CTA intentionally remaining silent, refusing to strongly discourage the self-immolations because it generates more sympathy for their cause? Are they allowing their people to die for a free Tibet"? Not only has the CTA not done much to stop their own (and already small population of Tibetans in exile) people from such drastic actions, Dr Lobsang Sangay's recent statement made during his interview with The Huffington Post can be taken as an encouragement for even more people to self immolate. I read in horror as Dr Sangay said that it was "sacred duty" of all Tibetans in exile to support such acts! To me, such words and their ongoing policy of persecuting their own people based on religion shows very clearly that the CTA does not care very much for its own people and is ill deserved to have Tibet returned to them until they demonstrate that they value the life of each and everyone of their citizens. All Tibetan in exile themselves must realize that we live in a modern era where information can be easily accessed and the rest of the world cannot help but see the CTA as chronically hypocritical and inept in providing fair treatment and justice to all in their process of governance. That which the CTA is failing in, is precisely what they accuse China of not exercising. How can you expect the world to support such inconsistencies? I speak for myself but I am quite certain I am not alone in saying that the CTA must change its ongoing policy of discrimination against Shugden practitioners. Some have wrongly alleged that the Shugden practice harms the Tibetan Cause and yet, even with the practice banned, Tibetans in exile are no where close to returning home. In fact recent cold reactions from heads of states around the world towards the Dalai Lama indicates that the cause is fast losing traction. People just don't believe in just words anymore. Clearly, the reason for that has nothing to do with the practice of worshipping an enlightened deity but everything to do with the mentality that is so pervasive within the CTA. What a backward bunch of mentality trying to compete in a world where even stalwart countries of communism have had to change to be accepted.The Tibetan community in exile need to seriously look into that and leverage on the power of the people to take actions towards true democracy. “Then, while all this is happening, the CTA have remained unusually quiet about the self-immolations. Apart from the token occasional comments, they have said or done little else to try to stop the immolations. This inaction is leading to more loss of lives. Their silence becomes suspicious, making it seem that they may well be manipulating the situation to their advantage or even be behind the incidents. Are the CTA intentionally remaining silent, refusing to strongly discourage the self-immolations because it generates more sympathy for their cause? Are they allowing their people to die for a free Tibet”?

Not only has the CTA not done much to stop their own (and already small population of Tibetans in exile) people from such drastic actions, Dr Lobsang Sangay’s recent statement made during his interview with The Huffington Post can be taken as an encouragement for even more people to self immolate.

I read in horror as Dr Sangay said that it was “sacred duty” of all Tibetans in exile to support such acts! To me, such words and their ongoing policy of persecuting their own people based on religion shows very clearly that the CTA does not care very much for its own people and is ill deserved to have Tibet returned to them until they demonstrate that they value the life of each and everyone of their citizens.

All Tibetan in exile themselves must realize that we live in a modern era where information can be easily accessed and the rest of the world cannot help but see the CTA as chronically hypocritical and inept in providing fair treatment and justice to all in their process of governance. That which the CTA is failing in, is precisely what they accuse China of not exercising. How can you expect the world to support such inconsistencies? I speak for myself but I am quite certain I am not alone in saying that the CTA must change its ongoing policy of discrimination against Shugden practitioners.

Some have wrongly alleged that the Shugden practice harms the Tibetan Cause and yet, even with the practice banned, Tibetans in exile are no where close to returning home. In fact recent cold reactions from heads of states around the world towards the Dalai Lama indicates that the cause is fast losing traction. People just don’t believe in just words anymore.

Clearly, the reason for that has nothing to do with the practice of worshipping an enlightened deity but everything to do with the mentality that is so pervasive within the CTA. What a backward bunch of mentality trying to compete in a world where even stalwart countries of communism have had to change to be accepted.The Tibetan community in exile need to seriously look into that and leverage on the power of the people to take actions towards true democracy.

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