Comments on: Refuting the Dalai Lama’s Statements Concerning Dorje Shugden https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: David Lim https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-201442 David Lim Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:40 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-201442 To convince others to support our view point, whatever accusation we wish to hurl against other whom we think are in wrong doing should be backed-up by logic and proof of actual facts. This article of refutation of false accusation from HHDL camp serves as a proof that the learned scholar of disciples of lineage stamped from wisdom Buddha Manjushri could rebut all allegations against their lineage practice one by one based on logic and scriptural reference and not by hearsay. Base on this we can proof to all Shugden- hater or wannabe that how can disciples of devil worshipper come up with such informative website that filled with logic and wisdom? Hence, it could say that all these must have been due to the blessing of Lord Manjushri himself ! To convince others to support our view point, whatever accusation we wish to hurl against other whom we think are in wrong doing should be backed-up by logic and proof of actual facts. This article of refutation of false accusation from HHDL camp serves as a proof that the learned scholar of disciples of lineage stamped from wisdom Buddha Manjushri could rebut all allegations against their lineage practice one by one based on logic and scriptural reference and not by hearsay. Base on this we can proof to all Shugden- hater or wannabe that how can disciples of devil worshipper come up with such informative website that filled with logic and wisdom? Hence, it could say that all these must have been due to the blessing of Lord Manjushri himself !

]]> By: Pinecone https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-201415 Pinecone Sun, 29 Mar 2015 13:03:09 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-201415 It is really contradictory that the Dalai Lama an emanation of the Chenrezig, a highly attained being, could have made such remark... "Turning back once more to the topic of Shugden he declared that he had once worshiped the spirit himself". Why as a highly realized being only at this juncture, Dalai Lama only realized that Dorje Shugden is a negative being after holding it dearly for years ? "Love and Compassion are necessities, not luxuries,Without them humanity cannot survive." (adapted from one of Dalai Lama's quote) Where is the freedom of religion and why are those DS practitioners living in dire straits? It is really contradictory that the Dalai Lama an emanation of the Chenrezig, a highly attained being, could have made such remark… “Turning back once more to the topic of Shugden he declared that he had once worshiped the spirit himself”. Why as a highly realized being only at this juncture, Dalai Lama only realized that Dorje Shugden is a negative being after holding it dearly for years ? “Love and Compassion are necessities, not luxuries,Without them humanity cannot survive.” (adapted from one of Dalai Lama’s quote) Where is the freedom of religion and why are those DS practitioners living in dire straits?

]]> By: Bond https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-201394 Bond Sun, 22 Mar 2015 09:41:00 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-201394 It is important for us to read up the history & background of the Dorje Shugden controversy in order to have a better understanding & to avoid being confused or misled by these statements made about Dorje Shugden. When this article is examined deeper, these statements made are clearly unsubstantiable & do not justified the suffering of the followers due to the ban. Under the law, even if a member of the family is found quilty, not everyone is punished but only the one who is at fault. However & in the case of the ban on Dorje Shugden practice, the suffering of discrimination, family members being separated, segregation in the community & deny of social welfare support are all very real among the Dorje Shugden followers eventhough the murderer is not found & the case is not proven quilty of the crime. From the spiritual point of view & since the Dalai Lama is advocating world peace, love & compassion, why not do the same for the millions of Dorje Shugden followers who are suffering due to the ban? Isn’t compasssion go beyond skin colour, race, language, gender, religion & what our beliefs are? It is important for us to read up the history & background of the Dorje Shugden controversy in order to have a better understanding & to avoid being confused or misled by these statements made about Dorje Shugden.

When this article is examined deeper, these statements made are clearly unsubstantiable & do not justified the suffering of the followers due to the ban. Under the law, even if a member of the family is found quilty, not everyone is punished but only the one who is at fault. However & in the case of the ban on Dorje Shugden practice, the suffering of discrimination, family members being separated, segregation in the community & deny of social welfare support are all very real among the Dorje Shugden followers eventhough the murderer is not found & the case is not proven quilty of the crime.

From the spiritual point of view & since the Dalai Lama is advocating world peace, love & compassion, why not do the same for the millions of Dorje Shugden followers who are suffering due to the ban? Isn’t compasssion go beyond skin colour, race, language, gender, religion & what our beliefs are?

]]> By: Manisha Kudo https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-192342 Manisha Kudo Fri, 16 May 2014 18:08:23 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-192342 How could a true practitioner of Buddhism ban, insult, oppress and abuse another practitioner? The crux of Buddhism is compassion. The fact that HHDL is so adamant in upholding the ban goes against the very spirit of Buddhism. How could a true practitioner of Buddhism ban, insult, oppress and abuse another practitioner? The crux of Buddhism is compassion. The fact that HHDL is so adamant in upholding the ban goes against the very spirit of Buddhism.

]]> By: samayakeeper https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-190823 samayakeeper Fri, 21 Mar 2014 14:47:03 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-190823 Dana Drake commented on my FB page on 2nd March 2014 : The Dalai Lama has researched Dorje Shugden and feels he is a malevolent, imposter spirit. Should you choose to pray to him, it is your right. However do not ask the Dalai Lama to change his beliefs or his followers beliefs. If you do not agree, how can you expect to remain in monasteries that practice different beliefs? Also it is highly believed that China is using Shugden to attack and undermine the Dalai Lama. Shugden has caused division in Tibet and Dharamsala which is what the Chinese want. It is no coincidence. My reply: I find it strange that the Dalai Lama who is considered to be the emanation of Chenrezig needed to research and feels that Dorje Shugden is a malevolent, imposter spirit. That implies that he would have researched and feels his gurus are not highly attained masters since he claims that his teachers are wrong. That would mean his learning from his gurus is flawed. Hence his gurus’ gurus and so on leading to Buddha Shakyamuni were all wrong. Therefore the Dalai Lama is the only one who is right. Since it is the right for one to exercise one’s religious belief, then the Dalai Lama should not have put a ban on others who are practicing their belief. Where is religious freedom? Those who continue to practice are segregated and they have no voting right, they cannot be admitted to any Tibetan hospitals and schools, they cannot join any monasteries and public events, they cannot get travel documents such as passports, they are not allowed to enter certain places of business and restaurants, nor can they get jobs within the Tibetan administration. If they practice Dorje Shugden, none of the above is allowed to them, their immediate family, their children or their parents. And this is all within the Tibetan constitution. Where is human right? Dana Drake commented on my FB page on 2nd March 2014 :

The Dalai Lama has researched Dorje Shugden and feels he is a malevolent, imposter spirit. Should you choose to pray to him, it is your right. However do not ask the Dalai Lama to change his beliefs or his followers beliefs. If you do not agree, how can you expect to remain in monasteries that practice different beliefs? Also it is highly believed that China is using Shugden to attack and undermine the Dalai Lama. Shugden has caused division in Tibet and Dharamsala which is what the Chinese want. It is no coincidence.

My reply:
I find it strange that the Dalai Lama who is considered to be the emanation of Chenrezig needed to research and feels that Dorje Shugden is a malevolent, imposter spirit. That implies that he would have researched and feels his gurus are not highly attained masters since he claims that his teachers are wrong. That would mean his learning from his gurus is flawed. Hence his gurus’ gurus and so on leading to Buddha Shakyamuni were all wrong. Therefore the Dalai Lama is the only one who is right.

Since it is the right for one to exercise one’s religious belief, then the Dalai Lama should not have put a ban on others who are practicing their belief. Where is religious freedom?

Those who continue to practice are segregated and they have no voting right, they cannot be admitted to any Tibetan hospitals and schools, they cannot join any monasteries and public events, they cannot get travel documents such as passports, they are not allowed to enter certain places of business and restaurants, nor can they get jobs within the Tibetan administration. If they practice Dorje Shugden, none of the above is allowed to them, their immediate family, their children or their parents. And this is all within the Tibetan constitution. Where is human right?

]]> By: Dharmacrazy79 https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-163561 Dharmacrazy79 Sun, 09 Mar 2014 14:38:10 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-163561 Thank you for this article. If one does not know in greater depth the background of the controversy as well as the history of the practice, one would be easily misled by the public statement made about Dorje Shugden and His practitioners. What comes forth most strongly for me is how the ban is against the fundamental human right to freedom of religion. The human rights of Dorje Shugden practitioners are further stripped away when basic healthcare and education is denied to them. Regardless of whether Dorje Shugden practice is right or wrong, the implementation of the ban and its consequential impact of the Buddhist community is completely contradictory to the teachings of Lord Buddha. The stepping stones of Buddhadharma is Boddhicitta and the policy to oust an entire community simply because they choice of faith is break of Boddhicitta. By looking from a logical perspective, Dorje Shugden practitioners are displaying greater levels of wisdom and compassion in their actions by building new centers and monasteries to continue the practice of their faith after being expelled from non-Dorke Shugden monasteries as well as peaceful demonstrations and requests for debate and discussion. All in all, the Dorje Shugden practitioners seems to show in a consistent manner more authentic traits of "real" Buddhist compared to the aggressive, abusive and murderous anti-Shugden camp. Thank you for this article. If one does not know in greater depth the background of the controversy as well as the history of the practice, one would be easily misled by the public statement made about Dorje Shugden and His practitioners.

What comes forth most strongly for me is how the ban is against the fundamental human right to freedom of religion. The human rights of Dorje Shugden practitioners are further stripped away when basic healthcare and education is denied to them.

Regardless of whether Dorje Shugden practice is right or wrong, the implementation of the ban and its consequential impact of the Buddhist community is completely contradictory to the teachings of Lord Buddha. The stepping stones of Buddhadharma is Boddhicitta and the policy to oust an entire community simply because they choice of faith is break of Boddhicitta.

By looking from a logical perspective, Dorje Shugden practitioners are displaying greater levels of wisdom and compassion in their actions by building new centers and monasteries to continue the practice of their faith after being expelled from non-Dorke Shugden monasteries as well as peaceful demonstrations and requests for debate and discussion.

All in all, the Dorje Shugden practitioners seems to show in a consistent manner more authentic traits of “real” Buddhist compared to the aggressive, abusive and murderous anti-Shugden camp.

]]> By: Anne Dawn Lindsay https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/refuting-the-dalai-lamas-statements-concerning-dorje-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-156255 Anne Dawn Lindsay Fri, 07 Mar 2014 02:19:34 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=36057#comment-156255 Well done you x Well done you x

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