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		<title>By: Dalai Lama should set things right</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dalai Lama should set things right</dc:creator>
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		<description>Dear Dalai Lama,

Since you started the cruel ban against the 350 year Dorje Shugden practice, how has it benefit your Tibetan society and Buddhism in the world? &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;Things have become worse and most educated Tibetans can see this.&lt;/font&gt; They don&#039;t speak out not because they don&#039;t see your ban as wrong, but you instill fear in them and not respect. It is like fear of a dictator. I am sorry to say so. Everyone is divided. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;There is no harmony.&lt;/font&gt; Before your ban there was more harmony and unity.

By enacting the ban, you split the monasteries, split so many families, split regions in Tibet apart, split your disciples from you, split your own gurus from you, split Tibetan Buddhism apart. You have created so much disharmony.

It is not democratic what you have done to ban a religion within your community. You always talk of tolerance and acceptance and democracy and yet you do not accept and tolerate something different from your beliefs. When people practice Dorje Shugden you ostracize them, ban them from seeing you, ban them from using Tibetan facilities. You know you have done that. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;There are videos that capture your speech and prove this point.&lt;/font&gt; You even had people expelled from monasteries just because they practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the monks you expelled have been in the monastery for over 40 years. Many older monks shed tears because of this.

Many young educated Tibetans lost confidence in you as they saw the damage the Dorje Shugden ban created and they lose hope. Many have become free thinkers. They reject what you have done. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;So many people in the west left Buddhism because of the confusion you created with this ban against Dorje Shugden which is immoral.&lt;/font&gt;

You could of had millions of people who practice Dorje Shugden to support, love and follow you, but you scared them away. They are hurt and very disappointed. They loved you and respected you deeply before the ban. It has been 60 years and you have failed to get Tibet back. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;Your biggest failure is not getting Tibet back after 57 years in exile.&lt;/font&gt; Now you are begging China to allow you to return to Tibet to the disappointment of thousands of people who fought for a free Tibet believing in you. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;So many self-immolated for a free Tibet and now you want Tibet to be a part of China with no referendum from Tibetans.&lt;/font&gt; Just like a dictator, you decide on your own.  It was your government and you that lost Tibet in the first place. Your policies and style of doing things do not benefit Tibet and Buddhism. You have been the sole ruler of Tibet your whole life and you still have not gotten our country of Tibet back for us. Our families and us are separated. Yet you create more pain by creating a ban to further divide people. Please have compassion.

No other Buddhist leader has banned or condemned any religion except for you. It looks very bad. You are a Nobel laureate and this is not fitting of a laureate. You should unite people and not separate them by religious differences.

&lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;You said Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi did not do right to the Rohingya people in Myanmar due to religious differences, but you are doing the same thing to the Shugden Buddhists within your own society.&lt;/font&gt; There is a parallel in this. You separate the Shugden Buddhists from the others in Tibetan society.

You have lost so many people who would have loved and supported you. You have lost so much support around the world. The Shugden Buddhists who love you number in the millions. When you are fast losing support from governments and private people, it will not do you well to lose more.

After you are passed away in the future, the rift you created between the Dorje Shugden and non-Dorje Shugden people will remain for a while and that will be your legacy. Disharmony. You will be remembered for this. Not as a hero but a disharmony creator.

Dorje Shugden will spread and further grow, but you will be no more as you are a human. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;No one wishes you bad and in fact we hope you have a long and healthy life, but we have lost so much hope and have so much despair because of you.&lt;/font&gt; All the hundreds of Dorje Shugden lamas, tulkus and geshes are maturing and there are hundreds of Dorje Shugden monasteries in Tibet who will not give up Dorje Shugden. You have made a mistake. These hundreds of teachers and teachers to be will spread Dorje Shugden further in the future.

The gurus that gave us Dorje Shugden as a spiritual practice and you have called these holy gurus wrong and they are mistaken in giving us Dorje Shugden. &lt;font color=#cc4125 class=&quot;bbcode-color&quot;&gt;How can you insult our gurus whom we respect so much? If they can be wrong, then you can be wrong.&lt;/font&gt; Then all gurus can be wrong. So no one needs to listen to any guru? You have created this trend. It is not healthy. Your own gurus practiced Dorje Shugden their whole lives. Your own gurus were exemplary and highly learned.

Dalai Lama you have created so much pain with this ban against so many people due to religion. You are ageing fast. Are you going to do anything about it or stay stubborn, hard and un-moving. You show a smile and preach peace and harmony wherever you go. But will you do the same to your own people? Please rectify the wrong you have done. Please before it is too late. You can create harmony again or you can pass away in the future with this legacy of peace. May you live long and think carefully and admit what was a mistake in having this unethical ban against Dorje Shugden religion.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dalai Lama,</p>
<p>Since you started the cruel ban against the 350 year Dorje Shugden practice, how has it benefit your Tibetan society and Buddhism in the world? <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">Things have become worse and most educated Tibetans can see this.</font> They don&#8217;t speak out not because they don&#8217;t see your ban as wrong, but you instill fear in them and not respect. It is like fear of a dictator. I am sorry to say so. Everyone is divided. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">There is no harmony.</font> Before your ban there was more harmony and unity.</p>
<p>By enacting the ban, you split the monasteries, split so many families, split regions in Tibet apart, split your disciples from you, split your own gurus from you, split Tibetan Buddhism apart. You have created so much disharmony.</p>
<p>It is not democratic what you have done to ban a religion within your community. You always talk of tolerance and acceptance and democracy and yet you do not accept and tolerate something different from your beliefs. When people practice Dorje Shugden you ostracize them, ban them from seeing you, ban them from using Tibetan facilities. You know you have done that. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">There are videos that capture your speech and prove this point.</font> You even had people expelled from monasteries just because they practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the monks you expelled have been in the monastery for over 40 years. Many older monks shed tears because of this.</p>
<p>Many young educated Tibetans lost confidence in you as they saw the damage the Dorje Shugden ban created and they lose hope. Many have become free thinkers. They reject what you have done. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">So many people in the west left Buddhism because of the confusion you created with this ban against Dorje Shugden which is immoral.</font></p>
<p>You could of had millions of people who practice Dorje Shugden to support, love and follow you, but you scared them away. They are hurt and very disappointed. They loved you and respected you deeply before the ban. It has been 60 years and you have failed to get Tibet back. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">Your biggest failure is not getting Tibet back after 57 years in exile.</font> Now you are begging China to allow you to return to Tibet to the disappointment of thousands of people who fought for a free Tibet believing in you. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">So many self-immolated for a free Tibet and now you want Tibet to be a part of China with no referendum from Tibetans.</font> Just like a dictator, you decide on your own.  It was your government and you that lost Tibet in the first place. Your policies and style of doing things do not benefit Tibet and Buddhism. You have been the sole ruler of Tibet your whole life and you still have not gotten our country of Tibet back for us. Our families and us are separated. Yet you create more pain by creating a ban to further divide people. Please have compassion.</p>
<p>No other Buddhist leader has banned or condemned any religion except for you. It looks very bad. You are a Nobel laureate and this is not fitting of a laureate. You should unite people and not separate them by religious differences.</p>
<p><font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">You said Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi did not do right to the Rohingya people in Myanmar due to religious differences, but you are doing the same thing to the Shugden Buddhists within your own society.</font> There is a parallel in this. You separate the Shugden Buddhists from the others in Tibetan society.</p>
<p>You have lost so many people who would have loved and supported you. You have lost so much support around the world. The Shugden Buddhists who love you number in the millions. When you are fast losing support from governments and private people, it will not do you well to lose more.</p>
<p>After you are passed away in the future, the rift you created between the Dorje Shugden and non-Dorje Shugden people will remain for a while and that will be your legacy. Disharmony. You will be remembered for this. Not as a hero but a disharmony creator.</p>
<p>Dorje Shugden will spread and further grow, but you will be no more as you are a human. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">No one wishes you bad and in fact we hope you have a long and healthy life, but we have lost so much hope and have so much despair because of you.</font> All the hundreds of Dorje Shugden lamas, tulkus and geshes are maturing and there are hundreds of Dorje Shugden monasteries in Tibet who will not give up Dorje Shugden. You have made a mistake. These hundreds of teachers and teachers to be will spread Dorje Shugden further in the future.</p>
<p>The gurus that gave us Dorje Shugden as a spiritual practice and you have called these holy gurus wrong and they are mistaken in giving us Dorje Shugden. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">How can you insult our gurus whom we respect so much? If they can be wrong, then you can be wrong.</font> Then all gurus can be wrong. So no one needs to listen to any guru? You have created this trend. It is not healthy. Your own gurus practiced Dorje Shugden their whole lives. Your own gurus were exemplary and highly learned.</p>
<p>Dalai Lama you have created so much pain with this ban against so many people due to religion. You are ageing fast. Are you going to do anything about it or stay stubborn, hard and un-moving. You show a smile and preach peace and harmony wherever you go. But will you do the same to your own people? Please rectify the wrong you have done. Please before it is too late. You can create harmony again or you can pass away in the future with this legacy of peace. May you live long and think carefully and admit what was a mistake in having this unethical ban against Dorje Shugden religion.</p>
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		<title>By: SabrinaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SabrinaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2016 18:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my, what a desperado! It is quite obvious that Robert Thurman needs the Dalai Lama to maintain his status. Being part of a conspiracy to try to eliminate the practises of an enlightened Protector, he had directly caused so much sufferings to all the practitioners. Due to his influential status in the Western world when he had blatantly lied for the Dalai Lama and CTA, the West believed him and stopped any possible investigation into human/religious rights violation. It is just terrible that the Shugden practitioners had to suffer so much for others&#039; political and personal ambitions and mistakes. The illegal ban on Dorje Shugden should be lifted already as the people had suffered for over 20 years already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, what a desperado! It is quite obvious that Robert Thurman needs the Dalai Lama to maintain his status. Being part of a conspiracy to try to eliminate the practises of an enlightened Protector, he had directly caused so much sufferings to all the practitioners. Due to his influential status in the Western world when he had blatantly lied for the Dalai Lama and CTA, the West believed him and stopped any possible investigation into human/religious rights violation. It is just terrible that the Shugden practitioners had to suffer so much for others&#8217; political and personal ambitions and mistakes. The illegal ban on Dorje Shugden should be lifted already as the people had suffered for over 20 years already.</p>
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		<title>By: Rinchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rinchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2015 14:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just propaganda that is being done by the CTA together with Robert. What good would Robert achieve in doing so? It just allows one to wonder on that point. 

Since we do not have concrete evidence that Robert did in fact get things for CTA to help with the start of the ban, I guess we cannot be pointing fingers now till there is evidence of it. 

But I really wonder, why would anyone want to start something that can lead up so to much violence? So many families are being split up due to this ban, so many people are being hurt because of it. 

I really hope the ban would be lifted very soon. I just think that the Shugden practitioners have already suffered enough...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just propaganda that is being done by the CTA together with Robert. What good would Robert achieve in doing so? It just allows one to wonder on that point. </p>
<p>Since we do not have concrete evidence that Robert did in fact get things for CTA to help with the start of the ban, I guess we cannot be pointing fingers now till there is evidence of it. </p>
<p>But I really wonder, why would anyone want to start something that can lead up so to much violence? So many families are being split up due to this ban, so many people are being hurt because of it. </p>
<p>I really hope the ban would be lifted very soon. I just think that the Shugden practitioners have already suffered enough&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eli Buchen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eli Buchen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is truly unprofessional of an academic like Bob Thurman to make allegations that are not solidly backed up by facts. Downright irresponsible it is was Robert Thurman to make up things just because he wanted to stay on Dalai Lama&#039;s good side. Lets not forget recently, he has been photographed using a literature written by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is truly unprofessional of an academic like Bob Thurman to make allegations that are not solidly backed up by facts. Downright irresponsible it is was Robert Thurman to make up things just because he wanted to stay on Dalai Lama&#8217;s good side. Lets not forget recently, he has been photographed using a literature written by Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom fine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom fine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>robert thurman&#039;s actions can best be described as disgusting and reveal an inability to take Dharma to heart. Once the first lie is told countless others necessarily follow. A Faustian drama to be sure. Sad how the enticements of reputation and other political concerns create so much suffering for so many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>robert thurman&#8217;s actions can best be described as disgusting and reveal an inability to take Dharma to heart. Once the first lie is told countless others necessarily follow. A Faustian drama to be sure. Sad how the enticements of reputation and other political concerns create so much suffering for so many.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2015 08:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DS practitioner are really a victim they cannot speak for themselves even they never intend to do it, they have to suffer for the unfairness on this ban no one can speak up for them i guess with DS.com we need to help this tibetan to voice up their suffering and their pain because they are true DS practitioner. As for CTA they are really not a religious practitioner because whatever they do is really no ethic at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DS practitioner are really a victim they cannot speak for themselves even they never intend to do it, they have to suffer for the unfairness on this ban no one can speak up for them i guess with DS.com we need to help this tibetan to voice up their suffering and their pain because they are true DS practitioner. As for CTA they are really not a religious practitioner because whatever they do is really no ethic at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunitta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunitta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tibetans are really ignorant people. Just by the act of the Tibetan minister waving a letter purportedly to be the evidence to the murder seems bizarre. Shouldn&#039;t there be a proper series of court hearings etc to give both sides justice and fairness? And based on  Helmut Gassner&#039;s rebuttal, it seems totally ridiculous to keep bringing this issue of the murder up, to clamp down the DS practice.
Plus even if the murder is proven to be done by DS practitioners, does that mean all DS practitioners are murderers as well ? Why discriminate on such an unreasonable level ? Totally unacceptable form of conduct !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tibetans are really ignorant people. Just by the act of the Tibetan minister waving a letter purportedly to be the evidence to the murder seems bizarre. Shouldn&#8217;t there be a proper series of court hearings etc to give both sides justice and fairness? And based on  Helmut Gassner&#8217;s rebuttal, it seems totally ridiculous to keep bringing this issue of the murder up, to clamp down the DS practice.<br />
Plus even if the murder is proven to be done by DS practitioners, does that mean all DS practitioners are murderers as well ? Why discriminate on such an unreasonable level ? Totally unacceptable form of conduct !</p>
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		<title>By: Jamyang Alexandre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamyang Alexandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this propaganda by the CTA and Robert Thurman has caused many Tibetan and monastery being split apart, it also lead to violence against Shugden practitioner because of this. 

i wonder what did he gained from helping the CTA and Dalai Lama by lying about the murders? fame? or there is also monetary benefits for such lies? Being so called a Professor, yet Robert Thurman actions and lies is of a crooks, who blame others for what is not. He do not have evidence to prove that it was Dorje Shugden practitioners was behind the murder, yet many people buys into his lies because of his status!

No matter how, truth will always prevails, and with the age of technology and internet, also with ds.com being in the forefront in brings news and truth to the people of the world, one by one the lies by the CTA, Dalai Lama and Robert Thurman had been proven wrong! 

I hope dorjeshugden.com will continue to bring more truth to all about the persecution and lies by the Pro-Dalai Lama on Shugden practice, and through this may the ban be lifted soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this propaganda by the CTA and Robert Thurman has caused many Tibetan and monastery being split apart, it also lead to violence against Shugden practitioner because of this. </p>
<p>i wonder what did he gained from helping the CTA and Dalai Lama by lying about the murders? fame? or there is also monetary benefits for such lies? Being so called a Professor, yet Robert Thurman actions and lies is of a crooks, who blame others for what is not. He do not have evidence to prove that it was Dorje Shugden practitioners was behind the murder, yet many people buys into his lies because of his status!</p>
<p>No matter how, truth will always prevails, and with the age of technology and internet, also with ds.com being in the forefront in brings news and truth to the people of the world, one by one the lies by the CTA, Dalai Lama and Robert Thurman had been proven wrong! </p>
<p>I hope dorjeshugden.com will continue to bring more truth to all about the persecution and lies by the Pro-Dalai Lama on Shugden practice, and through this may the ban be lifted soon.</p>
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