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		<title>By: bond</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2014 16:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Religions &amp; politics cannot mix, no government &amp; leaders should interfere in religion matters, take sides or create schism. It is every individual &amp; citizen of the world rights &amp; freedom to choose or practice what they belief and have faith in. 

It is very sad that China had invaded Tibet in the 1950s, vandalised, destroyed the Buddhist traditions &amp; culture of the Tibetan people in the interest of unity for the motherland. These days the pro Dalai Lama people &amp; the CTA are just doing the same to Dorje Shugden practitioners &amp; the Tibetan society as what china did to Tibet, creating chaos, broken up families, distanced friends secular &amp; spiritual, violence &amp; even harms in the interest of unity between the different schools of Tibetan Buddhism. In fact, it is just a selfish act of a very irresponsible government who is trying to cover up their failure &amp; incapability in securing autonomy for Tibet for the last 55 years by distraction, bringing the focus &amp; blame on Dorje Shugden being an obstacle to the Tibetan cause &amp; even a threat to the Dalai Lama’s life.

With the recent rising of many young Tibetan monks immolating themselves to protest against China’s occupation of Tibet, how much longer Dorje Shugden practitioners need to endure the misery, separation, unfair treatment &amp; physical harms before the CTA realise what they are doing will never bring any unity of the Tibetan community. Hence, the very reason why the ban has to be lifted in order for the real Tibetan caused to be realised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religions &amp; politics cannot mix, no government &amp; leaders should interfere in religion matters, take sides or create schism. It is every individual &amp; citizen of the world rights &amp; freedom to choose or practice what they belief and have faith in. </p>
<p>It is very sad that China had invaded Tibet in the 1950s, vandalised, destroyed the Buddhist traditions &amp; culture of the Tibetan people in the interest of unity for the motherland. These days the pro Dalai Lama people &amp; the CTA are just doing the same to Dorje Shugden practitioners &amp; the Tibetan society as what china did to Tibet, creating chaos, broken up families, distanced friends secular &amp; spiritual, violence &amp; even harms in the interest of unity between the different schools of Tibetan Buddhism. In fact, it is just a selfish act of a very irresponsible government who is trying to cover up their failure &amp; incapability in securing autonomy for Tibet for the last 55 years by distraction, bringing the focus &amp; blame on Dorje Shugden being an obstacle to the Tibetan cause &amp; even a threat to the Dalai Lama’s life.</p>
<p>With the recent rising of many young Tibetan monks immolating themselves to protest against China’s occupation of Tibet, how much longer Dorje Shugden practitioners need to endure the misery, separation, unfair treatment &amp; physical harms before the CTA realise what they are doing will never bring any unity of the Tibetan community. Hence, the very reason why the ban has to be lifted in order for the real Tibetan caused to be realised.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2014 07:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DS ban do bring a lot of hat  to the Tibetan because it depart them to two different groups is very sad if a country the people cannot unite and they also create a lot violence act among the Tibetan this is really silly . If the protector is not a Buddha how can it be possible for all these high lama to practices for so many hundreds years, this is really ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DS ban do bring a lot of hat  to the Tibetan because it depart them to two different groups is very sad if a country the people cannot unite and they also create a lot violence act among the Tibetan this is really silly . If the protector is not a Buddha how can it be possible for all these high lama to practices for so many hundreds years, this is really ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Manisha Kudo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manisha Kudo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2014 14:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I examine the Dalai Lama&#039;s words and conduct, the more I see  the political charade that he plays to gain control over the world.He supports the Tibetans in their protest against China but is himself behaving like a dictator against the Shugden practitioners. How insanely farcical!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I examine the Dalai Lama&#8217;s words and conduct, the more I see  the political charade that he plays to gain control over the world.He supports the Tibetans in their protest against China but is himself behaving like a dictator against the Shugden practitioners. How insanely farcical!</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Solomon Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2014 18:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &quot;digitaldrift&quot;, in my honest opinion, it is the illogical and poorly substantiated move by H.H. the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden which has given China the golden opportunity to gain the upper hand with regards to the issue of religious freedom. 

The Dalai Lama created the opportunity and China took it. It started with the Dalai Lama, not China. 

Furthermore, time has and will prove that if indeed Dorje Shugden is harmful, as the Dalai Lama says it is, then its practice would decline, not increase as it has in the last decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;digitaldrift&#8221;, in my honest opinion, it is the illogical and poorly substantiated move by H.H. the Dalai Lama to ban Dorje Shugden which has given China the golden opportunity to gain the upper hand with regards to the issue of religious freedom. </p>
<p>The Dalai Lama created the opportunity and China took it. It started with the Dalai Lama, not China. </p>
<p>Furthermore, time has and will prove that if indeed Dorje Shugden is harmful, as the Dalai Lama says it is, then its practice would decline, not increase as it has in the last decade.</p>
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		<title>By: digitaldrift</title>
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		<dc:creator>digitaldrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 13:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what you are not saying is very much about the Chinese state sanctioning of Shugden, and the deliberately decisive stance it is taking in all of this to continue to undermine the Tibetan people and attempt to marginalise the Dalai Lama&#039;s undoubted and ongoing deep influence within Tibet itself.

You appear to tread a naive path accusing DL of intolerance, whilst it is the schism engineered and inflamed by Chinese state actions and support that is ultimately behind your own naive posturings about religious freedom.

The Shugden practitioners may be allowed to practice and be supported and encouraged in their growth in China, but what price that religious freedom - they cannot talk about civil rights, protest or Tianenmen Square in their own country... sadly - pawns in another Great Game.. do not underestimate the dark dealings and underhandedness that goes on by the great political powers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what you are not saying is very much about the Chinese state sanctioning of Shugden, and the deliberately decisive stance it is taking in all of this to continue to undermine the Tibetan people and attempt to marginalise the Dalai Lama&#8217;s undoubted and ongoing deep influence within Tibet itself.</p>
<p>You appear to tread a naive path accusing DL of intolerance, whilst it is the schism engineered and inflamed by Chinese state actions and support that is ultimately behind your own naive posturings about religious freedom.</p>
<p>The Shugden practitioners may be allowed to practice and be supported and encouraged in their growth in China, but what price that religious freedom &#8211; they cannot talk about civil rights, protest or Tianenmen Square in their own country&#8230; sadly &#8211; pawns in another Great Game.. do not underestimate the dark dealings and underhandedness that goes on by the great political powers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel. Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel. Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 21:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an astute observation Soloman Lang. The Dalai Lama and his gang posing as a democratic government certainly seem to indicate that the Tiananmen Protests were noble steps taken in the right direction. Similarly, the Dalai Lama had little to say when Tibetans took to the streets to protest (even violently) the Chinese Government in 2008, and even less when 126 Tibetans self-immolated in desperation. But the same does not apply when Shugden worshippers took to the streets in peaceful protest of an unjustified religious ban.

The Dalai Lama shows himself to be the consummate politician by seizing on a sore point to remind the world of China&#039;s &#039;brutalities&#039; as he has often accuses the Chinese of but how does this help the Tibetans in their relationship with China? Such a move can only augment the Chinese government&#039;s suspicion of the Dalai Lama and that will not serve the people&#039;s efforts to find peaceful resolution with China. 

It is also absurd for the Dalai Lama to call on the Chinese to embrace democracy when the Dalai Lama&#039;s own government is treating their own democratic constitution as a farce. Furthermore, the Dalai Lama&#039;s Prime Minister Lobsang Sangay declared on the world stage in Washington 2013, that the CTA was not seeking democracy in Tibet but will agree to communist rule. Seems very inconsistent.

Nevertheless if anyone wonders why the Dalai Lama is called a wolf under sheep&#039;s clothing, this is why. Blatant and obscene hypocrisy on display and a move that can only lead to deterioration of Sino-Tibetan relationship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an astute observation Soloman Lang. The Dalai Lama and his gang posing as a democratic government certainly seem to indicate that the Tiananmen Protests were noble steps taken in the right direction. Similarly, the Dalai Lama had little to say when Tibetans took to the streets to protest (even violently) the Chinese Government in 2008, and even less when 126 Tibetans self-immolated in desperation. But the same does not apply when Shugden worshippers took to the streets in peaceful protest of an unjustified religious ban.</p>
<p>The Dalai Lama shows himself to be the consummate politician by seizing on a sore point to remind the world of China&#8217;s &#8216;brutalities&#8217; as he has often accuses the Chinese of but how does this help the Tibetans in their relationship with China? Such a move can only augment the Chinese government&#8217;s suspicion of the Dalai Lama and that will not serve the people&#8217;s efforts to find peaceful resolution with China. </p>
<p>It is also absurd for the Dalai Lama to call on the Chinese to embrace democracy when the Dalai Lama&#8217;s own government is treating their own democratic constitution as a farce. Furthermore, the Dalai Lama&#8217;s Prime Minister Lobsang Sangay declared on the world stage in Washington 2013, that the CTA was not seeking democracy in Tibet but will agree to communist rule. Seems very inconsistent.</p>
<p>Nevertheless if anyone wonders why the Dalai Lama is called a wolf under sheep&#8217;s clothing, this is why. Blatant and obscene hypocrisy on display and a move that can only lead to deterioration of Sino-Tibetan relationship.</p>
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		<title>By: Dharmacrazy79</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dharmacrazy79</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 08:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is quite a jerk to the mind to make such close comparisons between H.H the 14th Dalai Lama and China. Making this realization more unpleasant and difficult to receive is the truth and accuracy in the comparison made. 

Yes, today’s Dorje Shugden practitioners are like the Tibetan refugees back in 1959

However, I am glad that the Dorje Shugden camp is persevering and displaying a better example of Dharma in action than the pro-Dalai Lama group. For example: 

1)	Peaceful demonstration vs. physical and mental attacks on Dorje Shugden practitioners.
2)	The gracious acceptance of the Dalai Lama’s decision by establishing Serpom and Shar Ganden Monastery to home the expelled monks vs. the drastic the expulsion of sangha members who simply wish to continue a practice bestwoed upon them by their Gurus. 

As people get more intelligent with easy access to information through the internet, they will be able to decide for themselves who is “at fault”. 

It is urgent that this ban is lifted to reflect that mankind has progressed. How is it possible that 50 years later and humanity has not learnt from past mistakes, especially one as significant as the Tiananmen Square massacre?! This makes me feel ever so grateful for those who devote themselves to keep the Dharma whole and intact for us…our salvation from the samsara our minds created. 

I pray strongly for the ban to be lifted, not only for the benefit of the growth of Dharma but for the progress of humanity as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is quite a jerk to the mind to make such close comparisons between H.H the 14th Dalai Lama and China. Making this realization more unpleasant and difficult to receive is the truth and accuracy in the comparison made. </p>
<p>Yes, today’s Dorje Shugden practitioners are like the Tibetan refugees back in 1959</p>
<p>However, I am glad that the Dorje Shugden camp is persevering and displaying a better example of Dharma in action than the pro-Dalai Lama group. For example: </p>
<p>1)	Peaceful demonstration vs. physical and mental attacks on Dorje Shugden practitioners.<br />
2)	The gracious acceptance of the Dalai Lama’s decision by establishing Serpom and Shar Ganden Monastery to home the expelled monks vs. the drastic the expulsion of sangha members who simply wish to continue a practice bestwoed upon them by their Gurus. </p>
<p>As people get more intelligent with easy access to information through the internet, they will be able to decide for themselves who is “at fault”. </p>
<p>It is urgent that this ban is lifted to reflect that mankind has progressed. How is it possible that 50 years later and humanity has not learnt from past mistakes, especially one as significant as the Tiananmen Square massacre?! This makes me feel ever so grateful for those who devote themselves to keep the Dharma whole and intact for us…our salvation from the samsara our minds created. </p>
<p>I pray strongly for the ban to be lifted, not only for the benefit of the growth of Dharma but for the progress of humanity as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2014 07:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we do not know about the ban, this letter sounds like a very good advice. However, when we know about the ban, to me, this letter is so hypocrite.
Previously I feel sympathize to the Tibetan people who want to have their freedom. However, when I know what CTA has been doing to their own people, how CTA has been causing harm to Dorje Shugden practitioners and even high lamas, I do not think CTA is democracy or even qualified to form a government. They are not even qualified to be called as “Buddhists” as they are not practicing the core Buddhism values of compassion and peace.
They are all hypocrites.
I sincerely request His Holiness Dalai Lama and CTA will lift the ban and be fair to all their people. Be democratic and do not cause any more harm to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. With folded hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we do not know about the ban, this letter sounds like a very good advice. However, when we know about the ban, to me, this letter is so hypocrite.<br />
Previously I feel sympathize to the Tibetan people who want to have their freedom. However, when I know what CTA has been doing to their own people, how CTA has been causing harm to Dorje Shugden practitioners and even high lamas, I do not think CTA is democracy or even qualified to form a government. They are not even qualified to be called as “Buddhists” as they are not practicing the core Buddhism values of compassion and peace.<br />
They are all hypocrites.<br />
I sincerely request His Holiness Dalai Lama and CTA will lift the ban and be fair to all their people. Be democratic and do not cause any more harm to the Dorje Shugden practitioners. With folded hand.</p>
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		<title>By: kris</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Solomon for such brilliant article. You have said what was on my mind for so long, and I will definitely use your words to share out on my Facebook and other social media so that more people will know about this issue.

If CTA really wants to show the world they deserve a country, they should start behaving like a grown up and be fair to all citizens. The prime minister Lobsang Sangyal despite graduate from Harvard, failed to impart any bit of democracy knowledge to his colleagues and still treat their citizen as in the 1950s.

If you don&#039;t like what the Chinese government did to you in 1959, then why should you do the same to Dorje Shugden practitioners? Is this how Buddhists behave? Is this Buddhist teachings? Is this the level of practice/attainments of HH Dalai Lama&#039;s students?

I must also mention that special thanks and credits must be given to ISC for staging the peaceful protests. It brought tears to my eye to hear that many of the protestors have been protesting since 1996, and still tirelessly stand up for the rights to religious freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Solomon for such brilliant article. You have said what was on my mind for so long, and I will definitely use your words to share out on my Facebook and other social media so that more people will know about this issue.</p>
<p>If CTA really wants to show the world they deserve a country, they should start behaving like a grown up and be fair to all citizens. The prime minister Lobsang Sangyal despite graduate from Harvard, failed to impart any bit of democracy knowledge to his colleagues and still treat their citizen as in the 1950s.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like what the Chinese government did to you in 1959, then why should you do the same to Dorje Shugden practitioners? Is this how Buddhists behave? Is this Buddhist teachings? Is this the level of practice/attainments of HH Dalai Lama&#8217;s students?</p>
<p>I must also mention that special thanks and credits must be given to ISC for staging the peaceful protests. It brought tears to my eye to hear that many of the protestors have been protesting since 1996, and still tirelessly stand up for the rights to religious freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenzin K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenzin K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that Dalai Lama just acting like the Chinese invading Tibet and belief that Buddhism was harmful to the Tibetan society and the cause of its degeneration. It’s almost exactly how Dalai Lama believing Dorje Shugden to be unenlightened spirit, harmful to the cause of Tibetan independence and to his own lifespan.  Both actions created so much suffering and damage to people, to the practitioners and their family. 
Lobsang Sangey says that the Tibetan just wants basic freedom just like anyone in Australia but why this never comes to their mind for the Shugden practitioners? Hypocrite! 

The voice of Free Tibet is gone and no one will listen as why free Tibet to encourage more suffering for their own people, their own community?
One of the anila mentioned that Dalai Lama is the first who stop the custom of following or relying upon your spiritual guide! That makes sense that if his Guru practices Lord Shugden and gives the students to practice but how can the student ban the practice? Obviously you are showing disrespect and how one gain attainment from there?

So many statement from the Dalai Lama direct instruction to expel the Shugden practitioners, threaten the Shugden practitioners but still denying when being question……the world should know the &quot;TRUTH&quot; of the ban and together push down the ban for religion freedom! for human right! for the practitioners that have been suffered so long</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that Dalai Lama just acting like the Chinese invading Tibet and belief that Buddhism was harmful to the Tibetan society and the cause of its degeneration. It’s almost exactly how Dalai Lama believing Dorje Shugden to be unenlightened spirit, harmful to the cause of Tibetan independence and to his own lifespan.  Both actions created so much suffering and damage to people, to the practitioners and their family.<br />
Lobsang Sangey says that the Tibetan just wants basic freedom just like anyone in Australia but why this never comes to their mind for the Shugden practitioners? Hypocrite! </p>
<p>The voice of Free Tibet is gone and no one will listen as why free Tibet to encourage more suffering for their own people, their own community?<br />
One of the anila mentioned that Dalai Lama is the first who stop the custom of following or relying upon your spiritual guide! That makes sense that if his Guru practices Lord Shugden and gives the students to practice but how can the student ban the practice? Obviously you are showing disrespect and how one gain attainment from there?</p>
<p>So many statement from the Dalai Lama direct instruction to expel the Shugden practitioners, threaten the Shugden practitioners but still denying when being question……the world should know the &#8220;TRUTH&#8221; of the ban and together push down the ban for religion freedom! for human right! for the practitioners that have been suffered so long</p>
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