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	<description>The Protector whose time has come</description>
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		<title>By: mickeypamo</title>
		<link>https://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/shartses-abbot-sees-trijang-rinpoche-the-conclusion/comment-page-1/#comment-71891</link>
		<dc:creator>mickeypamo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are all wasting precious time on this totally samsaric patriarchal squabble. &quot;In times of strife, you [Je Tsongkhapa] strove to learn and practice . . . &quot;
We are all gossiping when we need to be focusing singly on the essence of life.
SHHHHHH!
mickeypamo,
http://WordsofaWanderingDakini.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all wasting precious time on this totally samsaric patriarchal squabble. &#8220;In times of strife, you [Je Tsongkhapa] strove to learn and practice . . . &#8221;<br />
We are all gossiping when we need to be focusing singly on the essence of life.<br />
SHHHHHH!<br />
mickeypamo,<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://WordsofaWanderingDakini.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://WordsofaWanderingDakini.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: kris pichitchai</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris pichitchai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2014 06:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to thank the writer and admin of this website for such informative and important article. There are many news which, we Dorje Shugden practitioners outside of Tibet don&#039; know about, and yet, such news need to be highlighted to all to read.

To me, it is quite simple that, if the information written by dorjeshugden.com is not important and false, then why would the abbot be bothered to even reply and clarify? 

I always like articles posted on this website because it reasons with logic, and authors spend their time to investigate the incident with care and write with logic and substance.

CTA, you should focus on uniting the Tibetans, not dividing them further!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to thank the writer and admin of this website for such informative and important article. There are many news which, we Dorje Shugden practitioners outside of Tibet don&#8217; know about, and yet, such news need to be highlighted to all to read.</p>
<p>To me, it is quite simple that, if the information written by dorjeshugden.com is not important and false, then why would the abbot be bothered to even reply and clarify? </p>
<p>I always like articles posted on this website because it reasons with logic, and authors spend their time to investigate the incident with care and write with logic and substance.</p>
<p>CTA, you should focus on uniting the Tibetans, not dividing them further!!</p>
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		<title>By: dorje Shugden</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorje Shugden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 08:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes for the first
No for the second</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes for the first<br />
No for the second</p>
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		<title>By: two truths</title>
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		<dc:creator>two truths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2014 22:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &quot;dorje shugden&quot;

I suppose from your conclusions we can also say that all of Shar Gaden are pretending to be on Shugden&#039;s side because they consider Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche as their lineage holder. All of Dokhang Kangtsen/Shar Gaden must be in on the conspiracy too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;dorje shugden&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose from your conclusions we can also say that all of Shar Gaden are pretending to be on Shugden&#8217;s side because they consider Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche as their lineage holder. All of Dokhang Kangtsen/Shar Gaden must be in on the conspiracy too.</p>
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		<title>By: two truths</title>
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		<dc:creator>two truths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2014 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ &quot;dorje shugden&quot;

So I guess you would fall in the camp that this Dalai Lama is a fake Dalai Lama too then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ &#8220;dorje shugden&#8221;</p>
<p>So I guess you would fall in the camp that this Dalai Lama is a fake Dalai Lama too then.</p>
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		<title>By: dorje Shugden</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorje Shugden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 22:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes</p>
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		<title>By: two truths</title>
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		<dc:creator>two truths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 21:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ the commenter named &quot;dorje shugden&quot; 

What would you say of the Gaden Trisur Lungrik Namgyal letter of official approval of Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche&#039;s authority to represent the Gelugpa tradition? Would you say he is wrong? Are you going to say he isn&#039;t a real Gaden Trisur Rinpoche because HHDL chose him to be the Gaden Tripa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ the commenter named &#8220;dorje shugden&#8221; </p>
<p>What would you say of the Gaden Trisur Lungrik Namgyal letter of official approval of Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche&#8217;s authority to represent the Gelugpa tradition? Would you say he is wrong? Are you going to say he isn&#8217;t a real Gaden Trisur Rinpoche because HHDL chose him to be the Gaden Tripa?</p>
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		<title>By: dorje Shugden</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorje Shugden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 07:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not hatred at all just trying To clarify some contradictions . I Love Your articles. As i said Time will tell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not hatred at all just trying To clarify some contradictions . I Love Your articles. As i said Time will tell</p>
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		<title>By: Vajratruth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vajratruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear &quot;DorjeShugden&quot;

I fully understand your frustration and although I may not agree fully with your reasoning, I respect your rights to have them. It is totally possible to fight to bring down an unholy ban without disparaging Chenrezig. 

The Administrators of the site work very hard to propagate the Protector practice without insulting the Dalai Lama. And you&#039;re right, it is very much like an illusory play in a theatre and each has a role to play. DS.Com&#039;s role is to bring the ban down and fight the ban. Focus your energies on that. There is no benefit &quot;hating&quot; and it is also not Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang&#039;s advice to hate and be angry.

I will you well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear &#8220;DorjeShugden&#8221;</p>
<p>I fully understand your frustration and although I may not agree fully with your reasoning, I respect your rights to have them. It is totally possible to fight to bring down an unholy ban without disparaging Chenrezig. </p>
<p>The Administrators of the site work very hard to propagate the Protector practice without insulting the Dalai Lama. And you&#8217;re right, it is very much like an illusory play in a theatre and each has a role to play. DS.Com&#8217;s role is to bring the ban down and fight the ban. Focus your energies on that. There is no benefit &#8220;hating&#8221; and it is also not Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang&#8217;s advice to hate and be angry.</p>
<p>I will you well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorje Shugden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorje Shugden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 07:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By creating a controversy, the name Dorje Shugden became well known and spread around the world. As the result of the ban, DS lamas went all over the world and with that, Lama Tsongkhapa’s lineage spread – everywhere Dorje Shugden is, Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings proliferate. Today the largest Dharma centres in the world today such as FPMT and NKT were founded by Lama Yeshe and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso respectively, both ardent Dorje Shugden practitioners. The ban led to this.

I do not agree with this becouse it contradicts my own experience. I have seen the efects of the ban in our own center and organisation. To say that our organisation has increased becouse of the ban contradicts the facts. The fact is that the ban is an obstacle for people to find pure Dharma. If our center has increased in numbers is becouse there is a incredible pure intention behind our organisation and becouse Dorje Shugden of course. So defenitly to say that the ban led to the increase of people attending our center and organisation it is not rigth when the opposite is the case. I say without the ban much more people would be involved in our organisation, center.

Also if the ban is a help to spread the practice  as you state why to work to lift it? You should work to enforce it, so here there is another contradiction. If you work to lift the ban is becouse you also recognise that it is an obstacle if not what is the purpose of your website.

Also it is not true that becouse the ban Lamas went around the world to spread the doctrine of Lama Tsongkhapa. At least not the case of my teacher. He was invited to teach in western countries. Lamas spread the doctrine around the world becouse they lost they country I think that is more right.

It is ok to doubt but one must make the effort to investigate and learn. If one says the Dalai Lama is wrong and this present reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche is fake, then how does it help anyone? It is counter productive.

I also do not agree with this it is obvius that the Dalai Lama is wrong. I feel that you are a bit like the public on the tale of the king that was going naked thinking that he was wearing the best dress, until the child said that the king was naked, stating the obviuos. Analogies work very well: the king is naked!!

Also the truth always helps but takes a bit of courage to accep it. Time will tell who is rigth or wrong, To me this issue is like a theater I feel that everything is already arranged. The Dalai Lama needs this person not to spread the practice but to destroy it, for this this &quot;Trijang&quot; neds to appear as a pure Dorje Shugden practitioner, the  Dalai Lama  has said that he can practice Dorje Shugden to make him the leader of Shugden followers and then  this person will abandoned the practice of Dorje Shugden stating the same reasons than the Dalai Lama &quot;Game Over&quot;. If you say how knowing this helps it is also obvius, we can be prepared for how things develops, the Dalai Lama is playing with your faith in him. I have no faith in him and also he is not my Root Guru so for me is easy to see the truth even if I have no clairvoyance yet (I am on the way) just by following logical reasoning (valid cognisers, inferential cognisers to see hidden objects they are very useful)

Remember the king is naked, the king is naked, the king is naked.

Your conclusion is too twisted and does not make any sense becouse it contradicts valid cognisers, it is just a believe not based on a valid reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By creating a controversy, the name Dorje Shugden became well known and spread around the world. As the result of the ban, DS lamas went all over the world and with that, Lama Tsongkhapa’s lineage spread – everywhere Dorje Shugden is, Je Tsongkhapa’s teachings proliferate. Today the largest Dharma centres in the world today such as FPMT and NKT were founded by Lama Yeshe and Geshe Kelsang Gyatso respectively, both ardent Dorje Shugden practitioners. The ban led to this.</p>
<p>I do not agree with this becouse it contradicts my own experience. I have seen the efects of the ban in our own center and organisation. To say that our organisation has increased becouse of the ban contradicts the facts. The fact is that the ban is an obstacle for people to find pure Dharma. If our center has increased in numbers is becouse there is a incredible pure intention behind our organisation and becouse Dorje Shugden of course. So defenitly to say that the ban led to the increase of people attending our center and organisation it is not rigth when the opposite is the case. I say without the ban much more people would be involved in our organisation, center.</p>
<p>Also if the ban is a help to spread the practice  as you state why to work to lift it? You should work to enforce it, so here there is another contradiction. If you work to lift the ban is becouse you also recognise that it is an obstacle if not what is the purpose of your website.</p>
<p>Also it is not true that becouse the ban Lamas went around the world to spread the doctrine of Lama Tsongkhapa. At least not the case of my teacher. He was invited to teach in western countries. Lamas spread the doctrine around the world becouse they lost they country I think that is more right.</p>
<p>It is ok to doubt but one must make the effort to investigate and learn. If one says the Dalai Lama is wrong and this present reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche is fake, then how does it help anyone? It is counter productive.</p>
<p>I also do not agree with this it is obvius that the Dalai Lama is wrong. I feel that you are a bit like the public on the tale of the king that was going naked thinking that he was wearing the best dress, until the child said that the king was naked, stating the obviuos. Analogies work very well: the king is naked!!</p>
<p>Also the truth always helps but takes a bit of courage to accep it. Time will tell who is rigth or wrong, To me this issue is like a theater I feel that everything is already arranged. The Dalai Lama needs this person not to spread the practice but to destroy it, for this this &#8220;Trijang&#8221; neds to appear as a pure Dorje Shugden practitioner, the  Dalai Lama  has said that he can practice Dorje Shugden to make him the leader of Shugden followers and then  this person will abandoned the practice of Dorje Shugden stating the same reasons than the Dalai Lama &#8220;Game Over&#8221;. If you say how knowing this helps it is also obvius, we can be prepared for how things develops, the Dalai Lama is playing with your faith in him. I have no faith in him and also he is not my Root Guru so for me is easy to see the truth even if I have no clairvoyance yet (I am on the way) just by following logical reasoning (valid cognisers, inferential cognisers to see hidden objects they are very useful)</p>
<p>Remember the king is naked, the king is naked, the king is naked.</p>
<p>Your conclusion is too twisted and does not make any sense becouse it contradicts valid cognisers, it is just a believe not based on a valid reason.</p>
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