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Harold Musetescu

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The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« on: January 11, 2020, 11:45:37 AM »
The Dalai Lama has surrounded himself with new female Oracles.

Here is a link to an article on May 17, 2019 from the Dalai Lama's website.

https://www.dalailama.com/news/2019/offering-of-a-long-life-ceremony-to-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama/amp

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At a certain point in proceedings, after the dispatching of the five dakinis, the Nechung Oracle and the oracles of Dorje Yamakyong, Nyenchen Thangla, and Kharak Khyung Tsün approached His Holiness in trance, dancing and offering prayers.
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There is a photo showing the Dalai Lama with female Oracles standing in front of him and bowing.

You can already include the female Medium Tsering Chenga Oracle into the total count of female Oracles the Dalai Lama now has.

I don't know if these new Oracles are replacing the former State Oracles the Gadong Oracle and the Lamo Tsangpa Oracle.

Both of these Oracles come from the "Family Lineage" Oracle tradition were a male member of the family replaces the father after his death.

Both the Gadong and the Lamo Tsangpa Oracles are now deceased and the "Deities" have not chosen to entered into any of the sons.

My fear is that these new Oracles that were hand picked by the Dalai Lama will be anti Dorje Shugden Oracles.

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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2020, 11:13:39 AM »
Here is a link to the FMPT org. website that shows a photo of the Nyenchen Thangla Oracle.

https://fpmt.org/mandala/online-features/his-holiness-the-dalai-lama-teaches-in-bodhgaya/

Here is a link and you will find a facebook posting of a photo of the Dorje Yamakhong Oracle.

https://www.facebook.com/unfftAUSTRALIA/photos/a.111434755612670/1795333073889488/?type=3

Here you will find a link about an article about the Kharak Khyung Tsun Oracle that states that she is a woman.

http://www.thetibetpost.com/en/photos/6397-we-all-have-a-responsibility-to-work-for-the-cause-of-tibet-his-holiness-the-dalai-lama

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The next oracle to appear was that of Kharak Khyung Tsün, one of the Twelve Tenma. She danced with arms raised, paid her respects to His Holiness, and left the stage.
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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2020, 07:10:08 PM »
The standard process for recognizing high ranking State Oracles is to have them recognized by the Nechung Oracle.

That right, the dirty, corrupt anti Dorje Shugden puppet of the Dalai Lama picks the Oracles for the Dalai Lama.

The process is the Oracle candidate is brought up to the Nechung Oracle and they both go into trance(?).

During these fake trances the Nechung Oracle declares that the Oracle is real or not.

Here is a link to a youtube video that has the late 9th Jetsun Dampa Rinpoche talk about this process.

The video is title "The Oracle - Keeper of Wisdom".

He is speaking about the female state oracle of Tsering Chenga, the goddess protector of Tibet.

She has spoken out publicly AGAINST Dorje Shugden.

What a surprise or is it?

Please forward to roughly the 24:50 minute marker for his discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ1VvvrAILo

So now we see a new batch of Oracles that are hand picked by the Anti Dorje Shugden Nechung Oracle.

These Oracles now possess great public status, earn a lot of money and are treat with great respect by the CTA and the Dalai Lama.

Does anyone here really believe that while in trance(?) they will ever publicly declare that Dorje Shugden is NOT any evil spirit?

These new Oracles are to take the place the of former Gadong and Lamo Tsangpa State Oracles.

These new Oracles will all sing from the same anti Dorje Shugden book that the State Oracle Tsering Chenga and the Nechung Oracle both sing from.

The title of their book is "DORJE SHUGDEN IS AN EVIL SPIRIT".



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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2020, 06:54:47 PM »
On March 8 2018 the Nechung Oracle officially recognized a black American woman as an Oracle and a Tulku.

He appears to have done this without the approval of the Dalai Lama.

By officially recognizing her it is the Dharmapala Dorje Drakden who is declaring to the world that she is a Kuten (Oracle) and an Tulku.

For better or WORSE the Tibetan people MUST recognize her as an Oracle and a Tulku.

On April 14, 2018 I wrote an article here titled "Nechung Oracle recognizes a NON Buddhist woman as an ORACLE and a TULKU!

Here is link to that article.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6090.msg67744#msg67744

Below I have copied a brief item from that story that is written by the new Oracle and Tulku.

I should point out that many of items I reference in the link in March 2018 have been removed by this new Oracle and Tulku from her website.

I wonder why she is no longer pushing the fact that the #1 State Oracle of Tibet officially recognized her.

Could it be that at that time I contacted the Dalai Lama, the CTA and the CTA's Department of Religion about her and the Nechung Oracle.

I asked them for comments about the wonderful news about the Nechung Oracle finding a new Oracle and Tulku.

I never received any reply from any of them about this.

I wonder WHY???

The quote below has now been removed from her website.

I wonder WHY???

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http://www.yeyeosun.com/

Here are some quotes from her website.

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Part 1
THE STORY
On International Woman’s Day, March 8th  2018, something historic happened. Amid monks blowing trumpets, banging cymbals, reciting ancient mantras African-Caribbean spiritual teacher  and Osun devotee Venerable Yeye Omileye was recognized  as living  ORACLE and EMANATION of Mamaki, Tibetan Water Goddess/Water Female Buddha.

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THE STORY
It was a ceremony prepared and officiated by Nechung Kuten La, Medium for the State Oracle of Tibet, who shared with all present the fascinating tale of the adventures he had to go on to make the ceremony happen – including his travels to Mongolia for the Mamaki crown, trip to Nepal after a 25 year absence to bring back the Melong (oracle) mirror and he even found time to personally put the precious pearls on himself.

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THE STORY
The elaborate recognition ceremony took place in Dharamsala India. It’s historic nature was emphasized by Kuten La, who  explained to those present that Mamaki, had not manifested before in living memory. He also  explained the Tibetan Water Mother/Buddha and Osun the Yoruba Water Mother whom  Venerable Yeye Omileye carries an ancient title for – are one Water Goddess just different cultures.
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I wonder if I got the Nechung Oracle and the Mamaki Oracle in trouble with the Dalai Lama and she had to remove all reference to her and the Nechung Oracle's official recognition?

One must now question the Nechung Oracle's recognition of the oracles of Dorje Yamakyong, Nyenchen Thangla, and Kharak Khyung Tsün.

The Dalai Lama is now surrounding himself with a bunch of "PUPPET ORACLES" who owe their lively hoods to him.

I suspect they will all go in fake trances and declare Dorje Shugden to be an evil spirit.



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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2020, 02:00:11 AM »
Here is a link to dharmawheel.net about the Nechung Oracle recognizing the Mamaki Oracle.

https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28332&hilit=mamaki

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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2020, 11:34:49 PM »
A question about Dorje Yamakyong, Nyenchen Thangla, and Kharak Khyung Tsün.

Do you not think that all three oracles were prescreened by the Dalai Lama's staff before they appeared in public before him.

They were all prescreened to ensure that none of them would say anything pro Dorje Shugden in public.

Just imagine one of them stating in front of the Dalai Lama and the public that Dorje Shugden was not an evil spirit.

That is why they are all fake oracles in the total service to the Dalai Lama who is their EMPLOYER. 

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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2020, 08:27:42 PM »
Here is a link to a photo of the Nechung Oracle recognizing the Mamaki Oracle.

You need to scroll down the page a little to find it.

https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=28332&hilit=mamaki&start=20

Here is a link to an MP3 audio tape that the Mamaki Oracle recorded on her website about her being recognized.

http://www.yeyeosun.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Conference-Call-on-Trip-to-India-Updates.edited.mp3

Here is a link to Mamaki Oracle's website that shows her in her full "Oracular" robes.

http://www.yeyeosun.com/photo-gallery/

I have sent emails to the Dalai Lama's office and the CTA asking them to validate the recognition by THEIR
STATE ORACLE.

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Re: The Dalai Lama has new female Oracles
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2020, 08:57:37 PM »
What was the Nechung's role in all of this?

What was he doing in those photos with the Mamaki Oracle?

They were both wearing oracular robes at some sort of ceremony at the Nechung Monastery.

Her story is that the Nechung Oracle went to Mongolian to be the Mamaki crown head piece.

That after 25 years absence the Nechung Oracle went to Nepal to get a Mamaki Oracle mirror (melong).

Did the Dalai Lama know what the Nechung Oracle was doing?

Why are there no other articles referencing this recognition of the Mamaki Oracle on the web?

Had this all been legitimate the Dalai Lama would have publicly declared it to be legitimate.

Not a single word about this Mamaki Oracle's recognition from the Dalai Lama, the CTA or any Tibetan newspaper.

Today I sent emails to the Office of the Dalai Lama and CTA's Department of Religion about this Mamaki Oracle's claims.

There is no email address that I could find for the Nechung Oracle.

It is the Nechung Oracle that has a LOT of explaining to do about all of this.

Has he gone ROGUE and thinks he can self declare a person to be an Oracle or a Tulku and that self declaration is valid without the Dalai Lama's concurrence?

It appears that the Nechung Oracle masterminded this entire affair and needs to explain himself to the public, the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

If he doesn't they may all very well stop trusting him as a State Oracle.

I stopped trusting the Nechung Oracle a very long time ago.