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Re: Shugden practitioners not welcome
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2019, 07:04:40 AM »
This Buddhist centre is not a real Buddhist centre. No Buddhist will shun another human being just because they are different. Buddhist centres around the world accept anything to their centre even if they are not of the same religion. Why discriminate Dorje Shugen practitioenrs?

We are Buddhist too. We learn, practice and contemplate on Lord Buddha Shakyamuni's teaching which is the exact same source with your teachings. Just because it is presented differently, it does not mean it is wrong. BuddhaDharma is much higher than our wisdom and we should not evaluate it using our shallow wisdom.

We should follow what our Guru says and try not to create negative karma. Even if we do not agree, we can just keep quiet and move away. We should evaluate the teachings and think of the logic behind it before adopting it into our practice. That is what Lord Buddha said.

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2019, 08:40:22 AM »
How ironic! You are celebrating Wesak day, the most important Buddhist festival when the whole world is commemorating the birth, enlightenment, and death of the Buddha, yet what you are doing is in total contradiction to Lord Buddha's teachings. What is the point of celebrating Wesak then since you don't even want to listen to Buddha's advice? So hypocritical!

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2019, 11:57:16 AM »
This kind of irony is very common in the Tibetan community. Look at the CTA, they say they are a democratic government but yet they imposed a ban on Dorje Shugden practice and segregated Dorje Shugden practitioners from the Tibetan community. If you are known to be a Dorje Shugden followers, the Tibetans will refuse to talk to you and sometimes despise you.

It happened in a nunnery that as soon as the Dorje Shugden ban was imposed, the nuns took the Dorje Shugden statue down from their altar to destroy it. They stepped the statue on their feet before discarding it. Tell me, is that what Buddha Shakyamuni taught?

FPMT as the mother monastery has given a specific instruction not to allow Dorje Shugden to enter their temples, attend their teachings and programs, LDC naturally has to follow the rule. FPMT is too corrupted to follow what Buddha Shakyamuni had taught. Being in the good book of the Dalai Lama is more important than keeping their integrity. This is very disappointing.

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« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2019, 08:45:47 PM »
How ironic! You are celebrating Wesak day, the most important Buddhist festival when the whole world is commemorating the birth, enlightenment, and death of the Buddha, yet what you are doing is in total contradiction to Lord Buddha's teachings. What is the point of celebrating Wesak then since you don't even want to listen to Buddha's advice? So hypocritical!

Exactly, they celebrate Wesak day with discrimination, anger, hatred and jealousy. I don't see how they can have a successful Wesak day with a lot of merits accumulated. Instead of accumulating merit, they will be collecting de-merit since they harbour negative emotions.

Buddhist are supposed to practice tolerance, kindness, compassion, harmony, and peace. Just because somebody has a different belief system, it does not mean that they are bad people and their belief system is evil. It means that they are just different.

If they condemn Dorje Shugden practitioners, do they condemn the Muslims and Christians too? Their belief system is different too but why aren't they are labelled as Devil when they are in the same setting. This is the dicrimination.

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« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2019, 12:56:40 AM »
How ironic! You are celebrating Wesak day, the most important Buddhist festival when the whole world is commemorating the birth, enlightenment, and death of the Buddha, yet what you are doing is in total contradiction to Lord Buddha's teachings. What is the point of celebrating Wesak then since you don't even want to listen to Buddha's advice? So hypocritical!

That's because FPMT is no longer spiritual but tainted with individuals own egotistical agendas. They would forgo and abandon their Guru and practice - Dorje Shugden, after all they have done in bringing FPMT up. They forgot how it was when they had nothing and this is how they repay kindness and decided to follow a made up story that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit. Throw away all logic and truth because money, fame and power is more important.

Maybe this is why their Maitreya project can never take off and have so many obstacles and now with their Dagri Rinpoche case. What's worst, being a Dorje Shugden practitioner that doesn't harm anyone or harbouring a sexual molester and allowing him to prey on women.

I just cannot imagine how many women and NUNS can you believe that! he sexually assaults and FPMT knew but chose to keep quiet! I hope the hearing will be favourable to justice and truth for the victims.

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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2019, 01:02:21 PM »

That's because FPMT is no longer spiritual but tainted with individuals own egotistical agendas. They would forgo and abandon their Guru and practice - Dorje Shugden, after all they have done in bringing FPMT up. They forgot how it was when they had nothing and this is how they repay kindness and decided to follow a made up story that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit. Throw away all logic and truth because money, fame and power is more important.

Maybe this is why their Maitreya project can never take off and have so many obstacles and now with their Dagri Rinpoche case. What's worst, being a Dorje Shugden practitioner that doesn't harm anyone or harbouring a sexual molester and allowing him to prey on women.

I just cannot imagine how many women and NUNS can you believe that! he sexually assaults and FPMT knew but chose to keep quiet! I hope the hearing will be favourable to justice and truth for the victims.

The moment FPMT gave up Dorje Shugden practice and started to say negative things about Dorje Shugden, it was the time they become non-spiritual. They might be an institute that teaches Dharma but they don't put Dharma in practice. No real Dharma practitioner will try to wipe away their history or their lineage teacher just to be politically correct.

By giving up Dorje Shugden practice, FPMT gets an endorsement from the Dalai Lama. With the endorsement of the Dalai Lama, many people think FPMT has a certain authority in Tibetan Buddhism and people give their support to them. What they don't know is FPMT has already broken their Samaya and they have lost the blessings from their lineage teachers.

Dagri Rinpoche's sex scandal might be the manifestation of the negative karma accumulated by FPMT since the day they gave up Dorje Shugden practice. In order to look good and to protect their reputation, FPMT rather let Dagri Rinpoche continue to abuse female students and nuns. What kind of Dharma centre is this? It is very disappointing.

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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2019, 06:58:33 PM »
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Dagri Rinpoche's sex scandal might be the manifestation of the negative karma accumulated by FPMT since the day they gave up Dorje Shugden practice. In order to look good and to protect their reputation, FPMT rather let Dagri Rinpoche continue to abuse female students and nuns. What kind of Dharma centre is this? It is very disappointing.

It is not abuse female students but sexually abuses female students!
Yes I agree that this could be an accumulation of their negative karma ripening due to their broken samaya. Their broken samaya is severe, that is why Lama Osel became Osel Hita with a wife and a kid! Nothing wrong and not looking down on him or anything like that, but it is stating the obvious. Look at what he is doing now compared to Lama Yehse previous life andl egacy.

But now this Dagri case, you can already tell, but what is sad is, Lama Zopa's explanations and excuses for Dagri to act this way. Even if he is a so-called Mahasiddha, it doe't give him the right to youch female as and when he likes!

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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2019, 02:32:14 AM »
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Dagri Rinpoche's sex scandal might be the manifestation of the negative karma accumulated by FPMT since the day they gave up Dorje Shugden practice. In order to look good and to protect their reputation, FPMT rather let Dagri Rinpoche continue to abuse female students and nuns. What kind of Dharma centre is this? It is very disappointing.

It is not abuse female students but sexually abuses female students!
Yes I agree that this could be an accumulation of their negative karma ripening due to their broken samaya. Their broken samaya is severe, that is why Lama Osel became Osel Hita with a wife and a kid! Nothing wrong and not looking down on him or anything like that, but it is stating the obvious. Look at what he is doing now compared to Lama Yehse previous life andl egacy.

But now this Dagri case, you can already tell, but what is sad is, Lama Zopa's explanations and excuses for Dagri to act this way. Even if he is a so-called Mahasiddha, it doe't give him the right to youch female as and when he likes!

Yes, i agree. And the thing is Lama Zopa's explanations are so lame. Whatever activity of any tantric kind has to be consensual and not without permission. And a Lama is supposed to be skillful. Dagri Rinpoche obviously failed in these two as he was reported on. Besides, what kind of tantric activity is he carrying on a woman on a plane who is totally a stranger, let alone a student of Tibetan Buddhism? The explanations are so far fetched that its like LZR is pulling them out of a hat like a magician.

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Re: Shugden practitioners not welcome
« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2019, 06:12:27 PM »
Compassion is for everyone. This is the Buddha's teaching. Why FPMT and LDC acting the opposite of Buddha's teaching and yet they are Buddhist center/organization? If Dorje Shugden is evil and is a spirit, why not the high caliber Lama from FPMT and LDC subdue  Dorje Shugden? By discriminating Dorje Shugden practitioners it doesn't help them but just separating them apart. This is not Buddhist act. Condemning and talk bad about Dorje Shugden practitioners will not help because there is no practical action to help but just negative speech. Where is the Buddhist value from FPMT/LDC?

The centre is obviously not practising compassion. If they do, they would have taken care of their female members and not subject them to risks of being molested by the nasty Dagri. Why would any invite a lama that has a bad history of molesting women to their centre? According to the victims, FPMT is well aware of the nasty deeds but they decided to brush them off.

Having said that, they also discriminate against Dorje Shugden practitioners who are Buddhist and in the same tradition as they which is Gelug tradition. Lord Buddha's teaching taught us about kindness, patience, and tolerance. They should not discriminate anyone.

From their actions, we will be able to see whether this Buddhist centre really does practice Lord Buddha's teachings or not. But from the Dagri incident, we know that they do not care about their people enough to make sure the Dharma teacher they invite to their centre is qualified.