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'Karmapa' Thaye Dorje rejects the Dalai Lama
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:28:15 PM »
Very significant

A hair cutting ceremony can be done when someone is going to be a monk. Or when a person is being recognized as a tulku. Besides that, it's rare there are hair cutting ceremonies for others reasons except for certain pujas.

Also the master who does the hair cutting should be someone of 'high standing', greatly respected and if possible a high lama with blessings. Many attendants of young tulkus will seek hair cutting ceremony with the highest or very respected lamas of their lineage. Many like to get this done by HH the Dalai Lama these days. So it is very unusual that Karmapa Thaye Dorje has his son's hair cutting done by Luding Khenchen Rinpoche who is Sakya and not even Karma Kagyu which Karmapa Thaye Dorje belongs to. This signifies a few things:

1. Definitely Karmapa Thaye Dorje's son is not becoming a monk at such a tender age. So the hair cutting signifies it is a incarnate lama or tulku.

2. To have his son's hair cut should be done by Dalai Lama but instead they have this done by Luding Khenchen Rinpoche shows an outright avoidance of Dalai Lama.

3. Also Karmapa Thaye Dorje is telling Dalai Lama and CTA (Tibetan govt in exile) that they don't need them. Karmapa Thaye Dorje does not need Dalai Lama or CTA to make it. They will be fine on their own. It is a very strong message to everyone.


Remember, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje has never taken one single photo with the Dalai Lama. Why is that? Because Karmapa Thaye Dorje and followers reject the Dalai Lama.

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Re: 'Karmapa' Thaye Dorje rejects the Dalai Lama
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 09:53:17 PM »
Thank you mountains for such clear indications of the significance in Karmapa, Thaye Dorje in having his son's hair cut by Luding Khenchen Rinpoche who is Sakya. I am guessing that the reason the Karmapa does not want his son to be a monk yet, is to be able to better protect his son and to guide him as he grows until the time is right for him to be one. Lol! Why would the Karmapa wish to have his photo taken with the Dalai Lama? After all, the Dalai Lama had never been of any significance to the Karma Kagyu lineage until he interfered with the recognition of the Karmapa. Well, the "recognised" Karmapa Orgyen Trinley Dorje ran away and is now citizen of the Dominican Republic. Hmmm, funny somehow real Masters don't seem to want association with the Dalai Lama and CTA. Guess they value the Dharma in its purity more than politics and popularity. The Tibetan Leaders of the exiled refugees are bringing down the precious lineages and the one valuable "product" they could "sell"...Tibetan Buddhism. Such a shame that instead of preserving this gift of legacy left by so many enlightened Masters, traceable all the way to Buddha Shakyamuni, the Tibetan Leaders destroy it themselves. Luckily for us, these true Masters like the Karmapa, HH Trijang Rinpoche, H.E. Tsem Rinpoche, H.E. Gangchen Rinpoche, H.E. Zasep Rinpoche, etc. stand true to their practice regardless of life threats, abuses and discrimination by the Tibetan Leaders and their followers.

These Leaders must realise that their numbers are dwindling fast and their failures in promises are not earning them any favours. Creating division by using the authentic Dorje Shugden practice is only lessening of their potential whereas unification of their people will bring the strength in the same vision. The choice is simple and in the hands of the Tibetan Leaders. Logical and right step would be to lift the ban on Dorje Shugden and together to work with the Chinese to fulfill the Dalai Lama's wish to go home.

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Re: 'Karmapa' Thaye Dorje rejects the Dalai Lama
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 10:18:37 PM »
Back in 2016, Lodreu Rabsel Rinpoche, the former general secretary to the 17th Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje wrote an open letter to complain about a series of persecutions suffered by the Karmapa Thaye Dorje by the Dalai Lama's followers. The letter was very daring, and he was clearly unafraid of the Dalai Lama.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/the-karmapa-oppressed-by-dalai-lama-loyalists/

I think that letter represents what the Karmapa Thinley Thaye Dorje's group think about the Dalai Lama.

I am not surprised to find out now that the Karmapa Thinley Thaye Dorje did not request the Dalai Lama to perform the hair-cutting ceremony of his son.

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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 06:41:19 AM »
First, the Dalai Lama was at the Kagyu Monlam event in Bodhgaya walked passed an empty Karmapa Thaye Dorje's throne with no one greeting him. The Dalai Lama went with his entourage and a group of media intending to have a picture opportunity with the Karmapa, however, he was greeted by the Karmapa's cold and chilling shoulders. That is big news considering no one dares to go against the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

Second, the Karmapa seeks His Eminence Luding Khenchen Rinpoche, the 75th head of the Ngor tradition of the Sakya school of Tibetan Buddhism, to presides over the hair-cutting ceremony of his son. The Karmapa didn't get anyone on the Kagyu school but the Sakya. Again, slapping the Dalai Lama and CTA on their face, telling them the Karmapa does not need them. In addition, the Sakya school is no longer following the footsteps of the previous Sakya Trizin and his stand with the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

Third, the Karmapa is telling the world that his son is not ordinary and indirectly confirming the rumours that his consort has indeed given birth to the Sharmapa. Only high lama's incarnation will undertake this ceremony because the son is too young to be ordained as a monk.

Looks like the Kagyupas are replaying the history of the 5th Dalai Lama's time to rally against the CTA's ruling.

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2019, 11:49:24 AM »
So it is very possible that the rumour of Karmapa Thaye Dorje's son will be Sharmapa is true. Sharmapa and Karmapa have been exhibiting such close relationship for decades now and it has been several times in the history where Karmapa and Sharmapa and in father and son relationship. This is to ensure the lineage to be clean and pure and their reincarnation will get the help and care that they need from each other.

It is amazing to see how high lamas sort of help each other out to ensure the Dharma to proliferate and stays pure. Now that Karmapa Thaye Dorje has a high tulku son which means he is most probably be the authentic Karmapa if there is only 1 emanation from the previous Karmapa.

Now that the Karmapa opens look for a Sakya High Lama to do the hair cutting ceremony for his son indicates that he is openly rejected, Dalai Lama. If Karmapa Thaye Dorje really wanted his son to be famous, he can just get him to have a few pictures with the Dalai Lama and he will have instant fame and get recognise by His Holiness. Since Karmapa Thaye Dorje did not do it that way, he is telling everyone in the world that Karma Kagyu has nothing to do with His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA should stop acting as if they have control over them.

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Re: 'Karmapa' Thaye Dorje rejects the Dalai Lama
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 10:48:22 AM »
There are two posts on the Karmapas on this forum but this one seems to be more popular http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6239.0. The Karmapas are definitely joining force to reunite their broken lineage thanks to the CTA, aka Tibetan Leadership, for endorsing the Tai Situ's choice of Karmapa.

Tai Situ is never the authorised person to recognise the Karmapa. It has always been the Sharmapa and only Sharmapa can do so. Tai Situ never had the authority to do so since the establishment of the Karmapa reincarnation lineage. Unfortunately, Tai Situ was interested in politics and greedy for the benefits. Otherwise, the 2 Karmapas issue will not arise.

Human greed and desire always cause issues for themselves and everyone related to them. In this case, although Tai Situ is a Rinpoche, we shouldn't assume he will act according to the dharma. However, we do not need to criticise him because we believe in karma and if he is not a real Rinpoche, he will have his karma awaits him.


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Re: 'Karmapa' Thaye Dorje rejects the Dalai Lama
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 11:10:00 AM »
First, the Dalai Lama was at the Kagyu Monlam event in Bodhgaya walked passed an empty Karmapa Thaye Dorje's throne with no one greeting him. The Dalai Lama went with his entourage and a group of media intending to have a picture opportunity with the Karmapa, however, he was greeted by the Karmapa's cold and chilling shoulders. That is big news considering no one dares to go against the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

Second, the Karmapa seeks His Eminence Luding Khenchen Rinpoche, the 75th head of the Ngor tradition of the Sakya school of Tibetan Buddhism, to presides over the hair-cutting ceremony of his son. The Karmapa didn't get anyone on the Kagyu school but the Sakya. Again, slapping the Dalai Lama and CTA on their face, telling them the Karmapa does not need them. In addition, the Sakya school is no longer following the footsteps of the previous Sakya Trizin and his stand with the Dalai Lama and the CTA.

Third, the Karmapa is telling the world that his son is not ordinary and indirectly confirming the rumours that his consort has indeed given birth to the Sharmapa. Only high lama's incarnation will undertake this ceremony because the son is too young to be ordained as a monk.

Looks like the Kagyupas are replaying the history of the 5th Dalai Lama's time to rally against the CTA's ruling.

More and more people are going against the CTA and the Dalai Lama. In the past, only the politicians were doing that. For example Lukar Jam Atsok, Penpa Tsering and Dhamchoe Nyima. Now the Karmapas are also going against the CTA.

The Karmapa Ogyen Trinley was under the control of the CTA since his arrival in India. Now, he rebels by getting a Dominican passport and says bye bye to the CTA. He is not going back to India anymore. He has kind of cut his contact with the CTA and the Dalai Lama.

His meeting with Karmapa Thaye Dorje was also another big slap to the CTA. The CTA did not recognise the other Karmapa. All these years they only endorsed the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. But now the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley went against the CTA and went on to try to settle the division in Kagyu lineage himself by meeting up with the other Karmapa.

The CTA and the Dalai Lama are losing control now. I believe after the Karmapa incident, there will be more people including spiritual practitioners who will go against the CTA and the Dalai Lama.