Author Topic: The Fake Karmapa is destroying the precious Karma Kagyu Lineage! Can't CTA help?  (Read 31906 times)

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It shows how quickly CTA can dump their own Karmapa once they did not get cooperation from him. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley to them is just an asset to control the Tibetans. On the other hand, CTA never recognises Karmapa Thaye Dorje from Day 1 and even refused to be connected to him. Now that they needed him to be on their side, they shamelessly went to him. Fortunately, Karmapa Thaye Dorje is wise enough to avoid them.

This really shows CTA's true colours. Now after they are abandoned by the 'real' Karmapa, they do not hesitate but wants to get the 'fake' Karmapa on their side. They have no respect for the sacred tradition of Tibetan Buddhism - who's the real Tulku or not, as long as they can be used as pawn or support their unethical corrupted self-serving administration. Look at Lobsang Sangay, what has he done for the welfare of Tibetans in exile, really?  His self-glorifying speech, 'business' trips overseas, firing of Penpa Tsering drama causing further regionalism sentiments....   :(  It's so different when Samdhong Rinpoche was the Kalon Tripa.

CTA is such an ugly government. They are very selfish and they do everything for their own convenience and benefits. They do not care about the welfare of the Tibetans and use them to get to their goals. For donation, they do not hesitate to encourage their own people to self-immolate to draw more attention to the Tibetan issue.

Since then, many Tibetan youths had killed themselves just for the sake of the Tibetan cause. The Tibetan government did not even try to stop them or advise them to not waste their precious lives. Instead, the CTA published a manual on how to perform self-immolation effectively.

This is how the Tibetan government will use their own people until there is nothing left for them to use. All they care about is their donations and they will sacrifice whatever there is to get the money. Most of the Tibetan leadership owns a passport from another country which means they have already prepared their escape route in case the CTA is not going to make it.

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CTA is such an ugly government. They are very selfish and they do everything for their own convenience and benefits. They do not care about the welfare of the Tibetans and use them to get to their goals. For donation, they do not hesitate to encourage their own people to self-immolate to draw more attention to the Tibetan issue.

Since then, many Tibetan youths had killed themselves just for the sake of the Tibetan cause. The Tibetan government did not even try to stop them or advise them to not waste their precious lives. Instead, the CTA published a manual on how to perform self-immolation effectively.

This is how the Tibetan government will use their own people until there is nothing left for them to use. All they care about is their donations and they will sacrifice whatever there is to get the money. Most of the Tibetan leadership owns a passport from another country which means they have already prepared their escape route in case the CTA is not going to make it.

That is why the Tibetan cause is going nowhere and not many country wants to support the Tibetan cause now. Look at Lobsang Sangay, all talk and no results.

My question still remains. Where is Karmapa Ogyen Trinley now? What is going to happen to the Kagyu school of Buddhism now? Why is CTA staying quiet when there is no head of Kagyu in the Tibetan community in Dharamsala? Since he's no longer the successor for the Dalai Lama as he has 'abdicated' the seat in Dharamsala, what is CTA going to do about it?

Is CTA going to announce that Karmapa Thaye Dorje is the Karmapa now? The CTA is not taking this seriously. This would mean one of the main spiritual authority in Tibet (Tibetan community) is now 'lost' and will move to the West. He will no longer be involved in the Tibetan community in exile and the people there. The CTA never see that this degeneration will cause the loss of spiritual authority, especially after the passing of His Holiness - when there is no Dalai Lama, no Panchen Lama, no Karmapa. I guess Lobsang Sangay won't see that. All he sees is how many trips he's going to make overseas, where can he give speeches that are impressive but deliver no results, and where else he can siphon money from...

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CTA came and recognize another Karmapa for another lineage. Why? Why interrupt other's people lineage and tradition? Why create separation instead of unity? Now the one that CTA recognized Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has left from Tibetan government. What a big slap to CTA! Then now how CTA going to deal with it? To recognize the other one? The more CTA does the more negative impact on the Tibetan. Recognizing another leader only creating separation. This is what CTA capable of doing instead of resolving the issue, improve Tibetans welfare and push for meeting with the Chinese to return back to Tibet.   

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Nobody is saying anything about Karmapa issues now because they cannot get any benefits from it. The CTA,  whose job is supposed to unite Tibetans and maintain harmony in the Tibetan community is not doing its job. Instead of uniting all the Tibetans, the CTA creates more problems to break the Tibetans into different groups so that the people's power is weakened and no one will be powerful enough to scrunitise the CTA.

Everything the CTA does is always for their benefits, rarely for the Tibetans. They only provide the minimum welfare and benefits to Tibetans, nothing more than that. The CTA is not looking at improving the lives of the Tibetans, they just want the Tibetans to be submissive to them. If people are waiting for the CTA to solve problems, it is impossible!

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I wonder what happened to Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. Nothing on his Facebook, and his schedule on his official website, there's only teachings this October in Toronto, Canada. Is Karmapa Ogyen Trinley "retiring" and handing over to Karmapa Thaye Dorje? What does everyone think?

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Nobody is saying anything about Karmapa issues now because they cannot get any benefits from it. The CTA,  whose job is supposed to unite Tibetans and maintain harmony in the Tibetan community is not doing its job. Instead of uniting all the Tibetans, the CTA creates more problems to break the Tibetans into different groups so that the people's power is weakened and no one will be powerful enough to scrunitise the CTA.

Everything the CTA does is always for their benefits, rarely for the Tibetans. They only provide the minimum welfare and benefits to Tibetans, nothing more than that. The CTA is not looking at improving the lives of the Tibetans, they just want the Tibetans to be submissive to them. If people are waiting for the CTA to solve problems, it is impossible!

Karmapa issue got blown up because CTA is behind it. It is actually a very small matter and Karma Kagyu can probably resolve the conflict quite easily. However, due to the involvement of the Dalai Lama and the CTA, they are unable to resolve the issue and it is dividing the whole Karma Kagyu population in two.

Now that CTA did not have anything to do with the 2 Karmapas, they did not create any problems for the Tibetans. This shows the source of the problems all along which is the CTA. CTA is really creating a lot of sufferings for the people here with their own selfish agendas.

Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is right in leaving the CTA. He will probably not be able to do anything as the religious leader of Karma Kagyu sect in Tibetan Buddhism if he is under the CTA.

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Karmapa issue got blown up because CTA is behind it. It is actually a very small matter and Karma Kagyu can probably resolve the conflict quite easily. However, due to the involvement of the Dalai Lama and the CTA, they are unable to resolve the issue and it is dividing the whole Karma Kagyu population in two.

Why did the Central Tibetan Administration get involved? It's easy, they want to control everything, even the Dalai Lama if they can. That's why now there's 2 Panchen Lama, 2 Karmapa, and many double Tulkus or Rinpoches out there due to CTA recognising their own candidates for control. What's the difference between them and what they claim China did then - to install their own China Panchen Lama?

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Why did the Central Tibetan Administration get involved? It's easy, they want to control everything, even the Dalai Lama if they can. That's why now there's 2 Panchen Lama, 2 Karmapa, and many double Tulkus or Rinpoches out there due to CTA recognising their own candidates for control. What's the difference between them and what they claim China did then - to install their own China Panchen Lama?

To a certain degree, the CTA is controlling the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama was used by his closest people to make money. He is 'sold' like a merchandise. CTA and the Dalai Lama's representative arranged a public talk and appearance of the Dalai Lama with a cult leader. They have received about 2 million dollars for the arrangement.

The Dalai Lama is a monk, he does not need the money. As a monk, it is his duty to spread Dharma, there should not be money involved. CTA and the Dalai Lama's closest people are very selfish, they only think about the money but never take into consideration the reputation of the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama worked very hard to bring the Dharma to people around the world and his hard work is damaged by these greedy people.

The CTA has no intention to maintain harmony and unity in the Tibetan community, this is why the Free Tibet movement is a failure. Since the Karmapa issue is not going to bring any benefit to them, the CTA will also be quiet about it. It has been so long since the dispute started, nothing has been done by the CTA as usual.

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Why did the Central Tibetan Administration get involved? It's easy, they want to control everything, even the Dalai Lama if they can. That's why now there's 2 Panchen Lama, 2 Karmapa, and many double Tulkus or Rinpoches out there due to CTA recognising their own candidates for control. What's the difference between them and what they claim China did then - to install their own China Panchen Lama?

To a certain degree, the CTA is controlling the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama was used by his closest people to make money. He is 'sold' like a merchandise. CTA and the Dalai Lama's representative arranged a public talk and appearance of the Dalai Lama with a cult leader. They have received about 2 million dollars for the arrangement.

The Dalai Lama is a monk, he does not need the money. As a monk, it is his duty to spread Dharma, there should not be money involved. CTA and the Dalai Lama's closest people are very selfish, they only think about the money but never take into consideration the reputation of the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama worked very hard to bring the Dharma to people around the world and his hard work is damaged by these greedy people.

The CTA has no intention to maintain harmony and unity in the Tibetan community, this is why the Free Tibet movement is a failure. Since the Karmapa issue is not going to bring any benefit to them, the CTA will also be quiet about it. It has been so long since the dispute started, nothing has been done by the CTA as usual.

For centuries, the CTA has been using His Holiness the Dalai Lama's name to control and suppress other parties. Many innocent people lost their lives and their possession to ruthless CTA just because they are a potential threat to their power.

A famous example will be the assassination of Tulku Drakpa Gyelsen by the 5th Dalai Lama's assistant. Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen is just a simple monk but he had a lot of followers due to his extraordinary abilities and teachings. Hence, he was targetted and assassinated to remove his threat to the newly formed government.

This has been the modus operandi for CTA over the hundreds of years when they are in power. Even until now, they are still doing it with the Dorje Shugden ban when thousands of monks and laypeople are being suppressed to serve CTA's selfish purpose which is to divide and conquer the Tibetan community.

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There is a new development in the Kagyu lineage. The two Karmapas have jointly written a long life prayer for the Sharmapa. The 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje has also recognised the son of the 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje as the reincarnation of the Sharmapa Rinpoche. It seems like the two Karmapas are not interested in power, they just want to reunite the Kagyupas and make sure their lineage continue to grow. What they are doing is a very good example to show to the Tibetans the importance of harmony and unity. Hopefully Dorje Shugden ban will be lifted soon.

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There is a new development in the Kagyu lineage. The two Karmapas have jointly written a long life prayer for the Sharmapa. The 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje has also recognised the son of the 17th Karmapa Thaye Dorje as the reincarnation of the Sharmapa Rinpoche. It seems like the two Karmapas are not interested in power, they just want to reunite the Kagyupas and make sure their lineage continue to grow. What they are doing is a very good example to show to the Tibetans the importance of harmony and unity. Hopefully Dorje Shugden ban will be lifted soon.
The CTA has been very quiet on the meeting of the two Karmapas. Now the two Karmapas have jointly written a long life prayer for the Sharmapa and the CTA us still quiet about it. First, the CTA recognised the 17th Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje as the reincarnation of the Karmapa, they indirectly are saying the other Karmapa is fake. Now the two Karmapas are kind of acccepted by the Kagyupas, will the CTA say something about it? Will the CTA do similar thing to reconcile with Dorje Shugden followers? At this point of time, unity and harmony are very important if the CTA wants to see some progress in the free Tibet movement.