Author Topic: The Fake Karmapa is destroying the precious Karma Kagyu Lineage! Can't CTA help?  (Read 50167 times)

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This is ridiculous that CTA still has not chosen who is the real Karmapa between Karmapa Ogyen Trinley and Karmapa Thaye Dorje. Why is it so difficult for them to choose the real Karmapa? They recognized Karmapa Ogyen Trinley so many years ago when Sharmapa already recognized Karmapa Thaye Dorje as the true Karmapa. They went against Sharmapa's wishes by recognizing their own Karmapa and used His Holiness's fame to garner support for Karmapa Ogyen Trinley.

Since they are the one that recognized Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, why did they not announcing Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is the real Karmapa now? Why is there a delay? Are they afraid to do so because Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is not exactly favorable for the public now with the scandal that is going on?

I heard the Tibetan government wanted to meet up with Karmapa Thaye Dorje at the Karma Kagyu Monlam but Karmapa was not there. If they rejected him as the real Karmapa when they recognise Ogyen Trinley, why are they trying to meet him now? Suspicious.

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It was a big slap on the Dalai Lama's face when he visited the Kagyu Monlam venue. There was no Karmapa Thaye Dorje and the media that went with him were disappointed. I bet they wanted to stir some news but too bad Karmapa Thaye Dorje knew the trick and avoided it. After all, he already gave birth to the Sharmapa. He doesn't need the CTA or the Dalai Lama for sure!


I guess Tibetan leadership is regretting why they did not recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje now because that Karmapa seems to be doing quite well especially that his son could be very well the Sharmapa. CTA sneakily wanted to get close to this Karmapa now because obviously, this Karmapa is way more powerful and influential than Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. That is why, they cannot announce who is the true Karmapa yet because they are trying to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley under control and in the meantime, they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.


Oh definitely they are trying to get chummy now, but Karmapa Thaye Dorje does not need the CTA for anything. Read up on the news about how His Holiness the Dalai Lama tried to show up and 'meet' Karmapa Thaye Dorje during the recent Kagyu Monlam  8)

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It was a big slap on the Dalai Lama's face when he visited the Kagyu Monlam venue. There was no Karmapa Thaye Dorje and the media that went with him were disappointed. I bet they wanted to stir some news but too bad Karmapa Thaye Dorje knew the trick and avoided it. After all, he already gave birth to the Sharmapa. He doesn't need the CTA or the Dalai Lama for sure!


I guess Tibetan leadership is regretting why they did not recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje now because that Karmapa seems to be doing quite well especially that his son could be very well the Sharmapa. CTA sneakily wanted to get close to this Karmapa now because obviously, this Karmapa is way more powerful and influential than Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. That is why, they cannot announce who is the true Karmapa yet because they are trying to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley under control and in the meantime, they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.


Oh definitely they are trying to get chummy now, but Karmapa Thaye Dorje does not need the CTA for anything. Read up on the news about how His Holiness the Dalai Lama tried to show up and 'meet' Karmapa Thaye Dorje during the recent Kagyu Monlam  8)

What a shame when His Holiness went to Kagyu Monlam and no one is there to meet him. I bet Karmapa Thaye Dorje knew about CTA's evil plan and decided to ditch the event that day. Good for him! I hope he never be involved with the CTA because CTA can only bring harm to him. He does not need them so it is better for him to stay away from CTA. Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is the perfect example of this. Look how miserable he is now with all the lawsuits as well as scandal. Let him be a warning to all the high lamas to think twice before getting involved with CTA.

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The Fake Karmapa is destroying the precious Karma Kagyu Lineage! Can't CTA help?

Of course not, because they are a FAKE themselves hahahahaha  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

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I wonder what the Karma Kagyu will turn into in the near future. With the Sharmapa born in the Karmapa Thaye Dorje's family, they will be powerful to command the whole lineage. I remember that the Kagyu didn't work with the 5th Dalai Lama and did not want to follow his government. "In retaliation, the Kagyus are rumoured to have procured the Fifth Dalai Lama’s hair and placed it under the steps at the front entrance of Tsurphu Monastery. This was done deliberately so that all who entered the monastery would have to symbolically step over the Dalai Lama, which was considered a grave insult." If you are interested, read this article http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-and-the-kagyus/

The Kagyu had a history of "going against" the Dalai Lama and the Sharmapa especially, in few reincarnations, have brought much grief to the Dalai Lama. Just like the late 14th Sharmapa Mipham Chokyi Lodro who went to the 14th Dalai Lama and requested him to not recognise Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, the candidate presented by Tai Situ. He has asked the Dalai Lama to recognise his candidate Karmapa Thaye Dorje which the Dalai Lama has refused.

So logically, since that request was not accepted, why should the Karmapa Thaye Dorje meet the Dalai Lama now?

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I wonder what the Karma Kagyu will turn into in the near future. With the Sharmapa born in the Karmapa Thaye Dorje's family, they will be powerful to command the whole lineage. I remember that the Kagyu didn't work with the 5th Dalai Lama and did not want to follow his government. "In retaliation, the Kagyus are rumoured to have procured the Fifth Dalai Lama’s hair and placed it under the steps at the front entrance of Tsurphu Monastery. This was done deliberately so that all who entered the monastery would have to symbolically step over the Dalai Lama, which was considered a grave insult." If you are interested, read this article http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/cta-and-the-kagyus/

The Kagyu had a history of "going against" the Dalai Lama and the Sharmapa especially, in few reincarnations, have brought much grief to the Dalai Lama. Just like the late 14th Sharmapa Mipham Chokyi Lodro who went to the 14th Dalai Lama and requested him to not recognise Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, the candidate presented by Tai Situ. He has asked the Dalai Lama to recognise his candidate Karmapa Thaye Dorje which the Dalai Lama has refused.

So logically, since that request was not accepted, why should the Karmapa Thaye Dorje meet the Dalai Lama now?


His Holiness the Dalai Lama had rejected the Karmapa Thaye Dorje before when Sharmapa first recognized him as the Karmapa. He even refused to ordain him when Sharmapa requested for it. Clearly, His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan leadership does not want to have anything to do with him.

If that is what they want, why are His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA trying to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje? What are they trying to do? Aren't they ashamed of what they did and now they try to connect with him? I guess it must be related to Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's rebellion to CTA's wishes.

Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had been running away from CTA and he even took up a Dominican passport. It signifies Karmapa will not be under control of the CTA anymore. CTA needs him to rule over Tibetan during post Dalai Lama era. They are desperate to find a replacement and that is why they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.

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When we talk about spiritual organisations, we don't expect to see conflicts. Unfortunately, conflict does exist as most people are still not enlightened. The conflict between the Kagyu and Gelug lineage has existed since a few hundred years ago and it continues on until today.

So this is how the Tibetan leadership works, they don't try to resolve conflicts to bring peace in the community. They let the conflicts continue and create disharmony in their society. That is why the Tibetans lost their country and after struggling for 60 years, there is still no progress in the Tibet cause.

The CTA does not care to preserve the precious Tibetan Buddhist traditions. They intentionally create tension in Gelug lineage by imposing the Dorje Shugden ban. They destroy Kagyu lineage by giving one of the Karmapas recognition and ignore the other. 

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His Holiness the Dalai Lama had rejected the Karmapa Thaye Dorje before when Sharmapa first recognized him as the Karmapa. He even refused to ordain him when Sharmapa requested for it. Clearly, His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan leadership does not want to have anything to do with him.

If that is what they want, why are His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA trying to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje? What are they trying to do? Aren't they ashamed of what they did and now they try to connect with him? I guess it must be related to Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's rebellion to CTA's wishes.

Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had been running away from CTA and he even took up a Dominican passport. It signifies Karmapa will not be under control of the CTA anymore. CTA needs him to rule over Tibetan during post Dalai Lama era. They are desperate to find a replacement and that is why they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.

I think everyone knows by now that the leaders and leadership of the Central Tibetan Administration have no sense of shane. Lobsang Sangay even had barley grains thrown at him when he was consulting Nechung Choegyal and Tsering Chenga to receive the prophecies concerning the government in 2016. He and the government was later condemned by the deities  for the “mishandling of the gift of democracy” besides the violation of the Sikyong oath. The government was also warned that the mismanagements could lead to negative consequences on His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s health and life. Lobsang Sangay was subsequently advised by the deities to offer apology to His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

Yet after both Lobsang Sangay and Penpa Tsering offered public apology, we knew how Lobsang Sangay plotted and got rid of competition by unfairly sacking Penpa Tsering with absolutely no regret. This is the kind of people we are talking about so why be surprised that the CTA has no shame and wants to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje?

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When we talk about spiritual organisations, we don't expect to see conflicts. Unfortunately, conflict does exist as most people are still not enlightened. The conflict between the Kagyu and Gelug lineage has existed since a few hundred years ago and it continues on until today.

So this is how the Tibetan leadership works, they don't try to resolve conflicts to bring peace in the community. They let the conflicts continue and create disharmony in their society. That is why the Tibetans lost their country and after struggling for 60 years, there is still no progress in the Tibet cause.

The CTA does not care to preserve the precious Tibetan Buddhist traditions. They intentionally create tension in Gelug lineage by imposing the Dorje Shugden ban. They destroy Kagyu lineage by giving one of the Karmapas recognition and ignore the other.

As the government of the Tibetans, the CTA should be protecting Tibetans and fulfill their promise of freeing Tibet and bringing the Tibetans back to Tibet. However, this is not the case. The CTA always creates conflicts in the Tibetan community and causes disharmony. It seems like the CTA does not have the intention to free Tibet or give a better future to the Tibetans.

As the government of the Tibetans, the CTA can easily be the mediator to resolve the conflict between the two Karmapas but they are not doing it. The CTA actually aggravated the conflict by recognising one of the Karmapas as the legitimate one. The CTA is doing this for their own benefit because they wanted to groom the Karmapa to be the successor of the Dalai Lama.

For the past 60 years, the CTA has not achieved anything significant. They only create problems. They failed to maintain peace and harmony in the Tibetan community. The Tibetan community is divided into many groups and each group cannot get along well with other groups. So to expect the CTA to protect and preserve Kagyu lineage, it is not going to happen.

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His Holiness the Dalai Lama had rejected the Karmapa Thaye Dorje before when Sharmapa first recognized him as the Karmapa. He even refused to ordain him when Sharmapa requested for it. Clearly, His Holiness the Dalai Lama and Tibetan leadership does not want to have anything to do with him.

If that is what they want, why are His Holiness the Dalai Lama and CTA trying to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje? What are they trying to do? Aren't they ashamed of what they did and now they try to connect with him? I guess it must be related to Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's rebellion to CTA's wishes.

Karmapa Ogyen Trinley had been running away from CTA and he even took up a Dominican passport. It signifies Karmapa will not be under control of the CTA anymore. CTA needs him to rule over Tibetan during post Dalai Lama era. They are desperate to find a replacement and that is why they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.

I think everyone knows by now that the leaders and leadership of the Central Tibetan Administration have no sense of shane. Lobsang Sangay even had barley grains thrown at him when he was consulting Nechung Choegyal and Tsering Chenga to receive the prophecies concerning the government in 2016. He and the government was later condemned by the deities  for the “mishandling of the gift of democracy” besides the violation of the Sikyong oath. The government was also warned that the mismanagements could lead to negative consequences on His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s health and life. Lobsang Sangay was subsequently advised by the deities to offer apology to His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

Yet after both Lobsang Sangay and Penpa Tsering offered public apology, we knew how Lobsang Sangay plotted and got rid of competition by unfairly sacking Penpa Tsering with absolutely no regret. This is the kind of people we are talking about so why be surprised that the CTA has no shame and wants to connect with Karmapa Thaye Dorje?

I wonder why the Tibetans did not throw Lobsang Sangay out from the parliament when Nechung manifested displease with him? It is obvious that Lobsang Sangay is doing a really bad job of running the CTA. If the Tibetans listen faithfully to what Nechung says, why are they not asking Lobsang Sangay to resign?

Since they listened to Nechung who speak ill of Dorje Shugden, they should listen to what he reacts toward Lobsang Sangay too. It is unfair for them to be selective and choose what they want to listen to and what they ignore.

Lobsang Sangay is also another shameless fella. How can he act like nothing happened after the State Oracle of Tibet manifested displease with him? He is destroying Tibetans in exile and Tibetans should have seen his tricks now. If they allow this kind of president to govern them, it means that they are ignorant or they are the same as him.

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I wonder why the Tibetans did not throw Lobsang Sangay out from the parliament when Nechung manifested displease with him? It is obvious that Lobsang Sangay is doing a really bad job of running the CTA. If the Tibetans listen faithfully to what Nechung says, why are they not asking Lobsang Sangay to resign?

Since they listened to Nechung who speak ill of Dorje Shugden, they should listen to what he reacts toward Lobsang Sangay too. It is unfair for them to be selective and choose what they want to listen to and what they ignore.

Lobsang Sangay is also another shameless fella. How can he act like nothing happened after the State Oracle of Tibet manifested displease with him? He is destroying Tibetans in exile and Tibetans should have seen his tricks now. If they allow this kind of president to govern them, it means that they are ignorant or they are the same as him.

They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic.  :(

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They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic.  :(

Wow! Does that mean that Lobsang Sangay is invincible? Why doesn't the Dalai Lama remove him from office and instate someone who cares about their people with impartiality to their differences such as religious practices or their Tibetan locality? Well, the fact is I would say that since the Tibetan leaders had been suppressing their people, no positive potential had risen up to be capable of this lead. Only recently, Tenpa Yarphel dared to speak up for harmony and that is simply amazing. Alas, he is in robes and not suitable as a political head. If more people are like Tenpa Yarphel, then Tibetans will be at greater harmony to forge ahead with a better future. However, even as he spoke, so many are already attacking him with threats and claims that are untrue. It really shows how ignorant these people are in the clutches of Lobsang Sangay, as any attack on Tenpa Yarphel is support for Lobsang Sangay's self-serving policies.

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I wonder why the Tibetans did not throw Lobsang Sangay out from the parliament when Nechung manifested displease with him? It is obvious that Lobsang Sangay is doing a really bad job of running the CTA. If the Tibetans listen faithfully to what Nechung says, why are they not asking Lobsang Sangay to resign?

Since they listened to Nechung who speak ill of Dorje Shugden, they should listen to what he reacts toward Lobsang Sangay too. It is unfair for them to be selective and choose what they want to listen to and what they ignore.

Lobsang Sangay is also another shameless fella. How can he act like nothing happened after the State Oracle of Tibet manifested displease with him? He is destroying Tibetans in exile and Tibetans should have seen his tricks now. If they allow this kind of president to govern them, it means that they are ignorant or they are the same as him.

They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic.  :(

That is even worst. The Tibetan government claims to be a democratic body but it is totally not true. They never listen to their people and they do what they want regardless of what their people want. Lobsang Sangay is a very good example of the undemocratic Tibetan government.

Lobsang Sangay has been involved in cases of sexual abuse as well as scandals. If any political leader around that world that is involved in those kind of cases or scandals, they will have to step down from their position because it is not a good example for people.

However, it is a different case with Lobsang Sangay. He still remains in his position and no apology from him or whatsoever. He is not affected at all and carried on with his obnoxious ways even if the public had requested him to step down. Hence, the Tibetan government is no democratic and they are actually running the government with dictatorship.

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It is not because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful, it is because 70 people cannot do much. Also, the protestors focus more on making noise but there lacked a plan on how to achieve the goal to impeach Sangay. If they are really serious about it, they have many channels they can go to. The reality is, Lobsang Sangay is unimportant, so no one is interested in impeaching him either.

They did! A group of Tibetans living in India, the US and Nepal, said to number around 70, protested at the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA), Dharamshala, from Mar 17 to 24 2018 to demand the resignation or ouster of President Lobsang Sangay. The protesters were reported to have submitted a petition to the Parliament in Exile, calling for the impeachment of Lobsang Sangay. But nothing happens, because Lobsang Sangay is too powerful and the Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) doesn't give much consideration to people's voice, despite claiming to be democratic.  :(

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What you said could be true. Tibetans overall are not interested in politics. For generations, they are so used to live under the Dalai Lama's leadership. They have no idea about politics, no idea about human rights and even no idea about how to live without the Dalai Lama. Since Lobsang Sangay belongs to CTA, and the Dalai Lama supports CTA, I think people will just think, "forget about it, just follow the Dalai Lama". I believe this is the overall mindsets. therefore until now, the Tibetans are still content with the CTA's fake democracy.