Author Topic: The Fake Karmapa is destroying the precious Karma Kagyu Lineage! Can't CTA help?  (Read 82609 times)

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So many people are asking the CTA to tell them who the real Karmapas is but until today the CTA has not said a single word! It is very important for the CTA to tell us who the real Karmapa is. If people follow the fake Karmapa, the teachings they are following will be fake and they will end up in hell!

One of the CTA's responsibilities is to ensure the Tibetan Buddhism is preserved and remains pure, they must have some guideline to do that. They have done a lot of work to preserve the Gelug lineage, why is that not so much is done for other lineages? They can issue a statement and put it up on their official website to inform everyone, why are they not doing it?

Is it because the Karmapa issue does not bring any benefit to the CTA that is why they are keeping quiet? So, in fact, the CTA is a hypocrite, they don't do much to preserve the Buddhist traditions, they only want money and power. They make use of the high lamas to help them make money. The CTA is the most useless government in the world!

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Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje’s scandal is getting bigger and bigger in Taiwan and surprisingly, the Tibetan leadership did not help their darling Karmapa out. They did not release any statement to protect him or whatsoever. They just enjoy the news and let their darling Karmapa to fend for himself.

Since a year ago, Karma Ogyen Trinley escaped to the US with the given reason for receiving treatment for his health issues. Since then, it is obvious that the Tibetan leadership’s relation with Karmapa had gone down the drain. Karmapa also gave a long a depressing talk about how he is being suppressed during his stay in India and his actions are being controlled tightly.

Now that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley decided to fight back the suppression from Tibetan leadership by getting a Dominican passport. Tibetan leadership lost their control over the Karmapa since they can not control his movement and traveling anymore. The Karmapa is free to come and go as he wishes with the new passport. The Tibetan leadership had lost another powerful ally on their side and they are not happy about it.

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Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje’s scandal is getting bigger and bigger in Taiwan and surprisingly, the Tibetan leadership did not help their darling Karmapa out. They did not release any statement to protect him or whatsoever. They just enjoy the news and let their darling Karmapa to fend for himself.

India doesn't accept Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, and the Chinese crowd are shocked with this scandal - this false news is damaging Tibetan Buddhism's reputation in Taiwan and Hong Kong. But I guess the CTA doesn't give a damn, after all, their cash cow His Holiness is still alive and giving teachings, so Lobsang Sangay cannot be bothered to address Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's scandal. After all, he's got more travel and holiday plans to rake money off more countries in the West. Now that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is no longer the 'successor' of the Dalai Lama, who cares?  8)

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Maybe everything Ogyen Trinley Dorje is doing is to ensure that he doesn't become the Dalai Lama's handpicked 'successor'.

Maybe him did all this was in fact his way to turn the Dalai Lama the CTA  and India against him.

If he did all these on purpose it does seems to have worked quite well for him.

He has now publicly broken all ties with them.

He is now a free man and can act like a free man.

Now he can go back to being the Karmapa and not the 'successor' or 'puppet' to the Dalai Lama and his CTA.

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Is the sex scandal a set-up by the CTA or someone else? Some people said it didn't make sense that the Karmapa could have had a relationship while he was in India. He was under strict surveillance of the CTA and the Indian government. If he really had a relationship, the CTA or the Indian government would have known about it and used it to threaten him to return to India.

The photo of the Karmapa taken with the girl cannot really be a proof. The Karmapa takes photos with thousands of people every year, anyone can request to have an audience with him and has the photo taken with him. If the girl wanted to keep the evidence of her relationship with the Karmapa, why did she only keep the audio evidence? She could have kept evidence of her video calls with the Karmapa.

This news was reported only by the Taiwanese tabloid, not the mainstream media. Only some international media shared this news and no other journalists reported on this news. How come? If this scandal is real, many media would want to report it, but this is not the case.

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India doesn't accept Karmapa Ogyen Trinley, and the Chinese crowd are shocked with this scandal - this false news is damaging Tibetan Buddhism's reputation in Taiwan and Hong Kong. But I guess the CTA doesn't give a damn, after all, their cash cow His Holiness is still alive and giving teachings, so Lobsang Sangay cannot be bothered to address Karmapa Ogyen Trinley's scandal. After all, he's got more travel and holiday plans to rake money off more countries in the West. Now that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is no longer the 'successor' of the Dalai Lama, who cares?  8)

The CTA is still not announcing who is the real Karmapa. They cannot say the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is fake because if they do that what is the message they are sending to the public? They will lose more credibility because it implies that they always make the wrong decision. This will also mean the basis for them to ban Dorje Shugden is also very dubious.

Since it is not the CTA's agenda to protect the welfare of the Tibetans or to preserve the Tibetan Buddhism, I don't think they will issue any statement. Unless they see there is a benefit for them to do that. Now that the Karmapa has left the CTA, the CTA will totally ignore him or want to have anything to do with him. They will remain silent.

Knowing how revengeful the CTA is, I am not surprised if this sex scandal is a set-up by CTA. They will do everything to take revenge, they will even plot to murder, this is how evil they are. The CTA is hungry for power, money and fame, they don't care about the Tibetans or welfare of the Tibetan Buddhists.

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It is a shame that the CTA is not acting and preventing the Karma Kagyu Lineage to be damaged and even destroyed by a fake Karmapa.

Traditionally the Karmapa and the Karma Kagyu Lineage do not need the CTA but since there is a fake Karmapa which was installed by the CTA, they should stop the damage as soon as possible.

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Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is fed up of how Tibetan leadership has been treating him and that is why he is rebelling against them. He has been recognized by the Dalai Lama as the Karmapa since a young age and he was controlled by the Tibetan leadership since then.

The Tibetan leadership is grooming him to be a successor to His Holiness the Dalai Lama which is totally absurd. Tibetan leadership is desperate for power and their fear of losing power grew as His Holiness the Dalai Lama grows old. They need a new young and powerful lama to control.

Hence, the Karmapa is the best choice. However, their plan backfired and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje escaped to the western country. He stayed over 1 year and now he refused to come back to India and took up a Dominican passport to escape from the clutches of Tibetan government. Tibetan leadership had lost their best bid for post-Dalai Lama time which means once His Holiness the Dalai Lama passed away, they will lose their influence and Tibetans In Exile will have freedom once again.

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Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is fed up of how Tibetan leadership has been treating him and that is why he is rebelling against them. He has been recognized by the Dalai Lama as the Karmapa since a young age and he was controlled by the Tibetan leadership since then.

The Tibetan leadership is grooming him to be a successor to His Holiness the Dalai Lama which is totally absurd. Tibetan leadership is desperate for power and their fear of losing power grew as His Holiness the Dalai Lama grows old. They need a new young and powerful lama to control.

Hence, the Karmapa is the best choice. However, their plan backfired and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje escaped to the western country. He stayed over 1 year and now he refused to come back to India and took up a Dominican passport to escape from the clutches of Tibetan government. Tibetan leadership had lost their best bid for post-Dalai Lama time which means once His Holiness the Dalai Lama passed away, they will lose their influence and Tibetans In Exile will have freedom once again.

Hahaha very true what you say! Their plan sure backfired and bitting them on the backside.

Even before the Dalai Lama passes... the CTA is already sinking! This is the karma they get back for all the chaos and disharmony they created for so many people, Dorje Shugden and Karma Kagyu. They should have remained a true democratic government and not get involved with spiritual affairs but I guess the truth is the Dalai Lama is still KING.

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The CTA thinks they are like in the old Tibetan time and they can rule the Tibetans like they are the lord and the Tibetans are the slave. The Tibetans did not lose their country for no reason. Most of the Tibetans were nomads and they are not highly educated. The people who ran the government were not highly educated either. Tibet has been a very isolated place, the Tibetans were not exposed to the outside world, Tibet was not run like a country but rather like a village.

The CTA continues the tradition of running their government like in the same old day. They exploit their own people for money and they fight among themselves for power. They don't think a lama getting involved in politics in an issue, what they want is how to control and make money for themselves by using the lama. Maintaining a precious lineage is never the plan.

The Dalai Lama has helped them to control Tibetans and made money for the 6 decades while they are in India. If it was not because of the Dalai Lama, they will not survive for this long. They need another high lama to do the job so the next best person will be the Karmapa. But little did they know, the Karmapa betrayed them! Lobsang Sangay and his gang must be very panic now.

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Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje is fed up of how Tibetan leadership has been treating him and that is why he is rebelling against them. He has been recognized by the Dalai Lama as the Karmapa since a young age and he was controlled by the Tibetan leadership since then.

The Tibetan leadership is grooming him to be a successor to His Holiness the Dalai Lama which is totally absurd. Tibetan leadership is desperate for power and their fear of losing power grew as His Holiness the Dalai Lama grows old. They need a new young and powerful lama to control.

Hence, the Karmapa is the best choice. However, their plan backfired and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje escaped to the western country. He stayed over 1 year and now he refused to come back to India and took up a Dominican passport to escape from the clutches of Tibetan government. Tibetan leadership had lost their best bid for post-Dalai Lama time which means once His Holiness the Dalai Lama passed away, they will lose their influence and Tibetans In Exile will have freedom once again.

Hahaha very true what you say! Their plan sure backfired and bitting them on the backside.

Even before the Dalai Lama passes... the CTA is already sinking! This is the karma they get back for all the chaos and disharmony they created for so many people, Dorje Shugden and Karma Kagyu. They should have remained a true democratic government and not get involved with spiritual affairs but I guess the truth is the Dalai Lama is still KING.


Tibetan leadership likes to call themselves a democratic country but they breached one of the most important rules in the constitution of democracy which is religious freedom. No democratic country will persecute another religion without a valid reason. The Tibetan leadership has been prosecuting Dorje Shugden practitioners for years and until now they still continue to think of new ways to make sure the ban is being carried out.

The Tibetan leadership had released books and videos against the practice. Until now, they still did not change their stance on the Dorje Shugden practice despite numerous pleas from Dorje Shugden practitioners to please reconsider the ban because it is illogical.

They are trying to impress the Western countries to they will continue their support but in actuality, that is the biggest lie to tell the world they are a democratic country while His Holiness the Dalai Lama is the god-king of Tibet.

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The Tibetan government is not a democratic country, they say they are but they are not. If you know someone in the government, you can get a job easily or you can get away with the crime you have committed. For example, the lamas who are involved in the sex scandals. The Dalai Lama and CTA have known about it for a long time but they never take action.

The CTA always has a double standard. If Dorje Shugden followers have a good relationship with the Chinese, they are called the Chinese spies who are receiving money from the Chinese to create disharmony. But there are also many Lama of other lineages who have a good relationship with the Chinese and their main sponsors are Chinese, why didn't the CTA condemn them?

Very clearly, the CTA is only using Dorje Shugden as a scapegoat to cover their failure and distract people from looking at what they have done for the past 60 years. The CTA is very money minded and power hungry, they will do whatever it takes to make themselves rich, that includes indirectly murdering the Tibetans. The CTA encourages the Tibetans to self-immolate so they can use the self-immolation case to get more donations. As for the Karmapa issue, as of now, there is no more benefit by getting involved in Karma Kagyu dispute anymore. This is why the CTA is keeping quiet and not saying anything.

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The CTA must have thought that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley will forever be their puppet, and the fact that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley dares to betray them has caught them off guard. What can they say now? The Dalai Lama has recognized the black Karmapa ages ago, unrecognizing him now will not bring them any benefit. The only way is to recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje, but why Karmapa Thaye Dorje want to accept that? So the CTA now has lost two Karmapas, what are they supposed to say? Whatever they say will only make them look even more untrustable. I believe the CTA will just stay quiet on this.

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The CTA must have thought that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley will forever be their puppet, and the fact that Karmapa Ogyen Trinley dares to betray them has caught them off guard. What can they say now? The Dalai Lama has recognized the black Karmapa ages ago, unrecognizing him now will not bring them any benefit. The only way is to recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje, but why Karmapa Thaye Dorje want to accept that? So the CTA now has lost two Karmapas, what are they supposed to say? Whatever they say will only make them look even more untrustable. I believe the CTA will just stay quiet on this.

That is exactly why CTA has stayed quiet until now. They have been quite vocal about other lamas such as the Panchen Lama when His Holiness recognized Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. Now, why are they being so quiet and not even protecting their own Karmapa when he is involved in the relationship scandal with the Taiwanese girl?

Karmapa Ogyen Trinley is their sole hope in controlling the Tibetans in exile once His Holiness the Dalai Lama passes away. They have been nurturing him and grooming him to be the successor of His Holiness. However, their plan backfired when the Karmapa felt it was too much and escaped from India to foreign countries.

He expressed his disappointment about how he is treated by the CTA and how he was controlled to badly. He could not carry out his duties as the Karmapa and also he could not even get the education that he wanted because his teachers are not near him. At last, he took on a Dominican passport and renounced his Tibetan yellow IC which sends a clear message to CTA that he will never be under their clutches anymore and he is obviously fighting back now.


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So many people are asking the CTA to tell them who the real Karmapas is but until today the CTA has not said a single word! It is very important for the CTA to tell us who the real Karmapa is. If people follow the fake Karmapa, the teachings they are following will be fake and they will end up in hell!

One of the CTA's responsibilities is to ensure the Tibetan Buddhism is preserved and remains pure, they must have some guideline to do that. They have done a lot of work to preserve the Gelug lineage, why is that not so much is done for other lineages? They can issue a statement and put it up on their official website to inform everyone, why are they not doing it?

Is it because the Karmapa issue does not bring any benefit to the CTA that is why they are keeping quiet? So, in fact, the CTA is a hypocrite, they don't do much to preserve the Buddhist traditions, they only want money and power. They make use of the high lamas to help them make money. CTA is the most useless government in the world!

It is very obvious that the Tibetan leadership are unwilling to make any announcement regarding which Karmapa is the real one because they have lost confidence in their own Karmapa which is recognized by His Holiness the Dalai Lama. Things have not been going smooth between Karmapa Ogyen Trinley and the CTA.

Karmapa has not been exactly easy to control and manipulate by the CTA. He has his own will and he is not willing to be controlled by the CTA any further. He made his point clear by fleeing India and taking on a Dominican passport. His defiance is clear and there is nothing the Tibetan leadership can do about it.

I guess Tibetan leadership is regretting why they did not recognize Karmapa Thaye Dorje now because that Karmapa seems to be doing quite well especially that his son could be very well the Sharmapa. CTA sneakily wanted to get close to this Karmapa now because obviously, this Karmapa is way more powerful and influential than Karmapa Ogyen Trinley. That is why, they cannot announce who is the true Karmapa yet because they are trying to get Karmapa Ogyen Trinley under control and in the meantime, they are trying to get close to Karmapa Thaye Dorje.