Author Topic: Why does Lama Zopa and FPMT still keep statues of Lama Yeshe on their shrines?  (Read 17295 times)

pemachen

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However, they tend to forget that their founder, Lama Yeshe is a huge Dorje Shugden practitioners and he is unfit to be worshipped since he is a spirit worshipper which is against the law of Lord Buddha. Not to mention that all their teachings that they got including the vows of those ordained people came from this spirit worshipping lama.

If that is the case, then all of their dharma and vows will be invalid and they need to get them from a proper lama again. But obviously, they do not want to do that because the whole FPMT will be in a deep mess since everything they have will be invalidated.

Lama Yeshe is not clean. He passed away as a Dorje Shugden practitioner. So how is he clean?  IF they so want to follow the Dalai Lama's advice, then don't associate with Lama Yeshe. So all of Lama Yeshe's teachings, initiations, empowerments, blessings, all are invalid because he is a demon worshipper. Lama Osel is fake because all Dorje Shugden practitioners go to the lower realm because they broke their refuge vows.

Isn't that the "fact" that the CTA has been promoting and telling the Tibetans? Why aren't the Tibetans protesting in front of FPMT centres and asking them to stop going against the Dalai Lama?

Why aren't FPMT people removing all the statues, teachings, books of a Dorje Shugden lama, and now promoting the "fake" reincarnation of Lama Yeshe?  8)

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Those who give up Dorje Shugden practice just want an easy life and be in the good book of the Dalai Lama. What they have studied in the monastery or from their teacher, they don't remember or practice it. Guru devotion is fundamental in Vajrayana practice but yet people or organisation like FPMT betrayed their teacher.

The students in FPMT conveniently agree with the CTA that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, but they have forgotten their founder, Lama Yeshe was a strong practitioner of Dorje Shugden and he was very devoted to Dorje Shugden. Dorje Shugden has assisted him in establishing the centre and everything that he needed to spread Dharma. The students in FPMT are very ungrateful, they despise Dorje Shugden but at the same time using the resources provided by Dorje Shugden.

If Dorje Shugden practitioners will all go the hell and never be able to come back in a human form, how come FPMT is able to find the reincarnation of Lama Yeshe? Shouldn't Lama Yeshe be born in hell already? Or Lama Osel is not the reincarnation of Lama Yeshe but someone else?  Time for the students in FPMT to wake up and face the reality!

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Those who give up Dorje Shugden practice just want an easy life and be in the good book of the Dalai Lama. What they have studied in the monastery or from their teacher, they don't remember or practice it. Guru devotion is fundamental in Vajrayana practice but yet people or organisation like FPMT betrayed their teacher.

The students in FPMT conveniently agree with the CTA that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit, but they have forgotten their founder, Lama Yeshe was a strong practitioner of Dorje Shugden and he was very devoted to Dorje Shugden. Dorje Shugden has assisted him in establishing the centre and everything that he needed to spread Dharma. The students in FPMT are very ungrateful, they despise Dorje Shugden but at the same time using the resources provided by Dorje Shugden.

If Dorje Shugden practitioners will all go the hell and never be able to come back in a human form, how come FPMT is able to find the reincarnation of Lama Yeshe? Shouldn't Lama Yeshe be born in hell already? Or Lama Osel is not the reincarnation of Lama Yeshe but someone else?  Time for the students in FPMT to wake up and face the reality!

It is funny how those who are against Dorje Shugden are being such a hypocrite. FPMT know very well that their guru Lama Yeshe is a very strong and powerful Dorje Shugden lama before he passed away. So logically, Lama Yeshe would have gone down to the three lower realms and not be reborn as a human.

Why FPMT would ask His Holiness the Dalai Lama to recognize Lama Osel as the reincarnation of the beloved master? Is Lama Osel the real incarnation of Lama Yeshe? If he is the real one, the allegations against Dorje Shugden will be fake and untrue. So FPMT students are abandoning a genuine and powerful practice to be seen as on the same line with His Holiness the Dalai Lama?

So they are abandoning the practice that their Guru gave them just to be politically correct? Are they nuts? It is equal to abandoning their spiritual practice once and for all! There will be no blessings or attainments for them and they will not get any where by pretending to be practicing.

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The Dorje Shugden ban really reveals who is the real practitioner and who is not. It is quite shocking to know so many monks who have learned Buddhism for years do not understand what guru devotion is. Or perhaps it is because we are in the denegerate time that most people don't have the wisdom to understand what guru devotion is.

Lama Yeshe was a very attained Buddhist master, he was one of the pioneers who went to the west to spread Dharma. Most of his bigger sponsors were also westerners. It was a pity Lama Yeshe passed away at such a young age, perhaps his students didn't have enough merits to keep him with them. The students had the chance to have Lama Yeshe's reincarnation back in the centre again but they lost the chance by breaking their Samaya with their lama when they gave up Dorje Shugden practice.

So what is the point of putting up a Lama Yeshe's statue and venerating the statue when they cannot even convince the reincarnation to come back as the spiritual head in FPMT? Unless they think Lama Osel is not the real incarnation of their teacher? A real person can give instruction and advice, why are the students not trying to get Lama Osel back? If Lama Zopa is not around anymore, who is going to lead FPMT and be the spokesperson of the centre to raise fund?

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The Dorje Shugden ban really reveals who is the real practitioner and who is not. It is quite shocking to know so many monks who have learned Buddhism for years do not understand what guru devotion is. Or perhaps it is because we are in the denegerate time that most people don't have the wisdom to understand what guru devotion is.

Lama Yeshe was a very attained Buddhist master, he was one of the pioneers who went to the west to spread Dharma. Most of his bigger sponsors were also westerners. It was a pity Lama Yeshe passed away at such a young age, perhaps his students didn't have enough merits to keep him with them. The students had the chance to have Lama Yeshe's reincarnation back in the centre again but they lost the chance by breaking their Samaya with their lama when they gave up Dorje Shugden practice.

So what is the point of putting up a Lama Yeshe's statue and venerating the statue when they cannot even convince the reincarnation to come back as the spiritual head in FPMT? Unless they think Lama Osel is not the real incarnation of their teacher? A real person can give instruction and advice, why are the students not trying to get Lama Osel back? If Lama Zopa is not around anymore, who is going to lead FPMT and be the spokesperson of the centre to raise fund?

This is so true, because of the ban, we see who are the good practitioners and who are not. A real practitioner will not criticise a practice because a Buddhist should be tolerant of differences. A real practitioner will not abandon the practice given to her/him by their teacher because they understand that all attainment comes from the guru!

It is so sad that Lama Yeshe's students gave up Dorje Shugden practice after he passed away. Lama Yeshe held Dorje Shugden practice very close to his heart but his student abandoned it. Lama Zopa was the heart son of Lama Yeshe, how can Lama Zopa abandon Lama Yeshe and so he can be on the Dalai Lama's good book? Is Lama Zopa trying to tell people Lama Yeshe is not good enough?

Since Lama Zopa has abandoned Dorje Shugden practice and Lama Yeshe, why installed Lama Yeshe's statue in the centre? What is the point? If Lama Zopa really loves Lama Yeshe and he really respects Lama Yeshe, why did he abandon Dorje Shugden practice?

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FPMT is a very bad example of a Vajrayana student. As mentioned in the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion, all attainment comes from our guru. Therefore, we have to follow the instructions of our guru and never go against it. That includes not giving up the practice given to us by our guru.

As everyone knows Lama Yeshe was a very devoted Dorje Shugden practitioner. He propitiated Dorje Shugden regularly. Whenever he needs help, he would also ask Dorje Shugden for help. The manifestation of Kopan Monastery was mainly due to Dorje Shugden's kind assistance.

Unfortunately, after Lama Yeshe passed away, students in FMPT chose to give up Dorje Shugden practice just to be politically correct and be in the good book of the Dalai Lama. They have forgotten the kindness of their guru. It is very hypocritical of them to keep the statue of Lama Yeshe on the shrine and then gave up the precious practice given to them by Lama Yeshe.

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It’s contradicting that FPMT, on one hand, keeps condemning Lama, organization or people that practice Dorje Shugden but their founder Lama Yeshe is a Dorje Shugden practitioner himself. So since FPMT had decided to be in the good book of the Dalai Lama then why still keep the statue of Lama Yeshe?

I can only think of a reason which is any Buddhism school has a lineage. It’s through the lineage master that give the blessing that the practitioners gain attainment. So for FPMT, they can’t just delete from Lama Yeshe as elsewhere is FPMT originated? It can be suddenly pop up nowhere but by keeping Lama Yeshe it shows that FPMT has a root guru and they have an unbroken lineage.

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FPMT is a very bad example of a Vajrayana student. As mentioned in the 50 Stanzas of Guru Devotion, all attainment comes from our guru. Therefore, we have to follow the instructions of our guru and never go against it. That includes not giving up the practice given to us by our guru.

As everyone knows Lama Yeshe was a very devoted Dorje Shugden practitioner. He propitiated Dorje Shugden regularly. Whenever he needs help, he would also ask Dorje Shugden for help. The manifestation of Kopan Monastery was mainly due to Dorje Shugden's kind assistance.

Unfortunately, after Lama Yeshe passed away, students in FMPT chose to give up Dorje Shugden practice just to be politically correct and be in the good book of the Dalai Lama. They have forgotten the kindness of their guru. It is very hypocritical of them to keep the statue of Lama Yeshe on the shrine and then gave up the precious practice given to them by Lama Yeshe.

It is bizarre for FPMT to keep Lama Yeshe statue on their shrine when they broke their samaya by giving up the precious Dorje Shugden practice that was given by their guru, Lama Yeshe. It does not make sense for a student to only accept one part of the guru's teaching but not the other part.

On top of that, they are calling Dorje Shugden practitioner as demon worshippers and little did they know, they are calling Lama Yeshe a demon worshipper since he is a strong Dorje Shugden practitioner himself. Since FPMT is founded by Lama Yeshe, that makes them a demon-worshipping centre naturally since the founder practices demon worshipping.

Hence, what FPMT is doing now is not logical and they are only doing it for their own benefit. When they do that, they have broken their samaya with their guru and the lineage blessings are gone. Whatever spiritual practices done in the centres will have no blessings from the lineage masters.

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Actually its good question!
Lama Yeshe which is the founder of FPMT and also practices Dorje Shugden.
But after his passing, his successor follows the Dalai Lama instructed I agree that the Tibetans inside could be easier to be manipulated because of the situation and condition will be pretty much tense compare to outside. By saying so it’s wrong also to encourage self-immolation and that is what the Tibetan leadership is encouraging because of every time if there are people sacrificing themselves that will be seen as an opportunity to raise fund. Tibetan leadership always use the sympathy card to seek for fund but this type of sympathy is too much. No one should take anyone advantage especially a dead a person. By right the Tibetan leadership should call for a stop for this. Why they can implement Shugden ban all the way and willing to spend so much resources but for a non-beneficial cause?

In fact, Tibetan leadership should move all the attention and resources to curb self-immolation aggressively. No one should be I agree that the Tibetans inside could be easier to be manipulate because of the situation and condition will be pretty much tense compare to outside. By saying so it’s wrong also to encourage self-immolation and that is what the Tibetan leadership is encouraging because every time if there are people sacrificing themselves that will be seen as an opportunity to raise fund. Tibetan leadership always use the sympathy card to seek for the fund but this type of sympathy is too much. No one should take anyone advantage especially a dead a person. By right the Tibetan leadership should call for a stop for this. Why they can implement Shugden ban all the way and willing to spend so many resources but for a non-beneficial cause.

Any leader with compassion will not encourage their people to die and for this case to die for nothing.
 for this and Tibetan leadership should strongly put a stop on this. Self-immolation does not work. If it’s effective, it would already take off but why until today Tibetan-in-exile still in India for the past 60 years?

Any leader with compassion will not encourage their people to die and for this case to die for nothing.


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Actually its good question!
Lama Yeshe which is the founder of FPMT and also practices Dorje Shugden.
But after his passing, his successor follows the Dalai Lama instruction instead of holding strong and just follow Lama Yeshe. Since they have broken the Samaya with their Guru what is the point of having the statue of their Guru where I doubt there will be any blessing. Since there will be no blessing from the Guru,
how would they do their sadhana? no blessing from the lineage master? if really no, then what is the point of learning from the center without the blessing from the lineage master?