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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2018, 12:49:12 AM »

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.

Oh no no, he is not calling himself PM, that useless Sangay is calling himself "PRESIDENT". You didn't know? He changed the title HIMSELF. Can you imagine the nerve... yeah President to no land, no country and soon no people. He is disgusting with all his sexual scandals, why do you think that unqualified shorty Dhardon got her job. Put 2 and 2 together and go figure. The whole Tibetan exile community knows, nothing new. And what about that 1.5million he took to buy a useless office in DC. He did not even have to move office, not like they were expanding, and we're to proof, but he happily to revenge and fired his rival Penpa that cause a huge uproar and more division.

It seems like ever since he became Sikyong/PM/President whatever you wanna call it, Tibetans in exile and Tibetans in general's reputation and fate has gone downhill. Not only no one recognises him as the secular head, countries are closing their doors and budget for their Tibet Cause. I really do not see them lasting long, I personally think once the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet, they will be dissolved, that's the most natural thing to happen. So this is why whatever the CTA does is always contradictory to what His Holiness is saying. In front of the Dalai Lama is yes yes yes we'll follow your Umaylam but behind they do everything the opposite. How not to irritate China? This time Dalai Lama does not have long and if he does not get to return to Tibet and passes away in exile, you'll know who's fault is it and it ain't Dorje Shugden's. Don't blame it on Shugden. What do you think? Will CTA last and what will happen when the Dalai Lama returns to Tibet?

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2018, 01:54:19 AM »
Tibetans are just using whatever means they can for their own advantage or benefits, especially this Sikyong, who's just trying to get whatever he can before the Central Tibetan Administration collapses. The term President is actually illegal.

In April 2016, the exile Tibetan administration made the announcement on its official website tibet.net that “when the term ‘sikyong’ is to be translated into English it should be written as “president”, and that has been used up to the present day. The CTA kept insisting that the usage of “President” was due to guidance by His Holiness the Dalai Lama.

It has been laid out in the sub-section 1 and 2 of Article 17 of clause 6 of the rules for procedure of meeting and carrying out of works by the deputies of the Tibetan Parliament, in sub-section 1: “As per the sub-section 2 of Article 1 of the charter, the Speaker, in discussion with Sikyong, is to set aside time for discussion on the suggestion of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.” 

So, without going through any recommendation from the Parliament or legal process, the Kashag said that the title in English as “President” has been decided on and designated as such, and they continue to use this title, as such using this title for Sikyong is not legal according to the Tibetan Parliament in Exile. 

You can read more here, written by a Tibetan http://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal.

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2018, 05:10:51 AM »
Tibetans are really fed up with Lobsang Sangay and he should really be impeached in order to say the last few strings for the Tibet Cause! Can you imagine Tibetans protested against him just recently? It was reported in this post-http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/lobsang-sangay-see-you-in-court/ and things like this were never heard of in the Tibetan community as we know how they behave from earlier discussions on this thread.

The Tibetans were particularly upset about Sangay and the CTA's US's representative's arrogance and their senseless explanations of the US1.5 million loan to purchase the CTA's office in Washington D.C. To-date, apart from sacking Penpa Tsering, Sangay has not provided any proof of his claim. He dare not shows the Tibetans and the public their account, not even the official one, so no one knows the real story still.

Lobsang Sangay is still functioning as a dictator from the serfdom system and he is enjoying himself and especially in exploiting the Tibetans and generous sponsors as they are all clouded by their respective wrong views about the CTA. The Western media painted Tibet as Shangrila and people in Tibet are Buddhist and kind. In the "Seven Years in Tibet" movie starring Brad Pitt, there was even a scene when the monks prayed for insects before the pipe system was set up. Yet, they have no mercy for Dorje Shugden, rangzen people, Chinese, as well as anyone they labeled as anti-Dalai Lama. The Tibetans are barbaric and wild, as you would have imaged a nomad life whose main diet consists of dairy and meat. These food arouse anger easily as founded by dietitians/scientists today. This is why the tradition of the Buddhist refuge vows (10 precepts) is observed before the layman vows (5 precepts). In the Mahayana Buddhism, the Buddhist observe the layman vows first, and then proceed with the 10 precepts. Clearly, the Tibetans' wild mind has to be tamed more strictly.

People should not be brainwashed by the media who most of the time paint stories according to their wish for various agendas. It is always advisable that we research, analyze and read more and seek for the truth. Otherwise, a short speech by the Dalai Lama as posted on this thread can easily manipulate us who are too lazy to think or to do anything for ourselves into hating Dorje Shugden people just because he said so.

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2018, 05:54:44 AM »
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Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that creates segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.

You know Lobsang Sangay calling himself a President is actually illegal. See here https://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal It is concluded that Lobsang Sangay only uses this to make himself looks important and parallel with, say, Trump. He is known to focus on his fame, power and prestige. For 2 terms now, you only see him constantly looking for opportunities to get international media coverage of him in order to keep his door open for donations to come to him. Supposedly, all the donations are meant for the Tibet Cause but he has been corrupting it for his own benefits. He should be impeached as the opportunities are running out for the Tibetan refugees to remain in India.

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2018, 06:03:01 AM »
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You know Lobsang Sangay calling himself a President is actually illegal. See here https://www.tibetsun.com/opinions/2018/05/14/the-title-president-for-sikyong-is-not-legal It is concluded that Lobsang Sangay only uses this to make himself looks important and parallel with, say, Trump. He is known to focus on his fame, power and prestige. For 2 terms now, you only see him constantly looking for opportunities to get international media coverage of him in order to keep his door open for donations to come to him. Supposedly, all the donations are meant for the Tibet Cause but he has been corrupting it for his own benefits. He should be impeached as the opportunities are running out for the Tibetan refugees to remain in India.

What to do... this is the next best thing he'll ever have a taste of "presidency"... I guess need to play an imaginary game and pretend. He'll probably be the only lay Tibetan-exile-wanna-president because it will most like end with him also. However, China still does not recognise him, so I wonder what he's going to do if ever Dalai Lama gets to return to Tibet. I don't think China is impressed with him one bit. I don't think they even notice him. They have never ever said or address anything regarding him or his administration which by the way still exist because of the Dalai Lama. Without the Dalai Lama, they are would not be around. So he can play pretend and imagine he is the "President" all he want, cos it time is ticking very fast for him.

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2018, 08:02:28 AM »
The Dalai Lama is very shrewd and he is also very talented. Clearly he plays both Tibetans and Westerners like a Folk or Blues singer with a guitar and harmonica.

Only thing is he's no Bob Dylan and his song is not about fostering peace in the world.

The version of the Dalai Lama in the video in this article is 100% an anti-Bob Dylan



The sad thing is, most people listen to it and thinks that His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is fostering peace and protecting others from harm. You see, good and bad is just a different side of perspective but a seasoned politician like His Holiness with vast knowledge and attainments in Buddhism can easily manipulate the good to bad and vice versa. In the case of the Dorje Shugden ban, he made a 400-year-old practice a bad and harmful thing, most ridiculously, without basis. He is trained in the Gelug tradition that is well known for their debate with logic. You have to have logic and basis to debate. Because he is the Dalai Lama, most people just follow and can't be bothered.

Those in the Gelug tradition who have chosen to keep quiet and allow the lineage to be suppressed and crushed by the CTA, are all cowards and they make people wonder the effectiveness of their studies and the benefits of studying and practising the dharma. For example, Thupten Jinpa, a geshe lharampa who decided to disrobed and leech onHis Holiness' fame, is a very good example. First, he disrobed after having all the knowledge and was once considered a virtuous friend (geshe) decided marriage and money are more important. He is saying samsara is better than liberation. Secondly, his root guru is the well respected Zimey Rinpoche who wrote the Yellow Book and he knows very well His Holiness' ban on Dorje Shugden is baseless, yet he kept quiet and continues to translate for His Holiness because money is more important than his guru and the lineage. He spent his life studying Buddhism to the highest level supposedly, and he uses it to earn money. How crooked is this? But, it is ok, because as long as you seen on His Holiness' side, you are right. Otherwise, how would everyone thinks the unethical Buddhist scholar Robert Thurman got his book sells and run free for attempting to solicit Anonymous group of hackers to hack into Dorje Shugden practitioners' computer?

It is very clear that in samsara, most people are here to experience the ripening of their karma. They do not think, do not care, do not want anything but their own attachments. As long as they can continue to live in the comfort of their mind, they would just go with the flow and this is how we can all the problems in the world that allow the human race to destroy mother planet in just less than 100 years! This is how destructive our selfish mind is and no one cares to see that or do anything about it. Only a few minorities who are always going against the grain and really live their lives to make a difference regardless of how insignificant it may be seen.


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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2018, 03:17:48 PM »
The Dalai Lama has been known to show difference stances to Westerner Buddhist and Tibetans.

This is all recorded on video, when the Dalai Lama speaks to the Westerners, things like ban, evicting monks are not uttered at all. But when speaking to the Tibetans, sometimes under veiled threats, the words of the Dalai Lama pushes many administrators and monks to conduct a supposed referendum to figure out how many practitioners of Dorje Shugden was there.

A true referendum, does not have negative repercussions for certain groups of people.


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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2018, 07:45:59 PM »

One of the biggest joke is the referendum. What is there to choose, when everyone just have to follow what Dalai Lama said? Referendum is just another trick the Tibetan leaders are happy to carry out to suppress their own people even further. The Tibetans leaders must be extremely happy to hear referendums and they know they can fully abuse their own people. Again, referendums are just to fool westerns that they are practicing democracy, and most westerners just fall for it.


I agree with you. The referendum IS a huge joke. The stick and all that was just a cover to show how democratic they are when in actual fact the monks were backed into a corner and only the minority who are brave enough to stay true to their practice, dare to stand up and pick the opposite. I can imagine the tremendous pressure and suffering!
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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2018, 08:17:42 PM »
The Dalai Lama has been known to show difference stances to Westerner Buddhist and Tibetans.

This is all recorded on video, when the Dalai Lama speaks to the Westerners, things like ban, evicting monks are not uttered at all. But when speaking to the Tibetans, sometimes under veiled threats, the words of the Dalai Lama pushes many administrators and monks to conduct a supposed referendum to figure out how many practitioners of Dorje Shugden was there.

A true referendum, does not have negative repercussions for certain groups of people.

Hence, there is NO such thing as democracy. It is all a facade to fool the Western people and the media. For years they have bought this great deception on Tibetan-exile government. But now slowly their tricks and lies are being exposed. There is even a hashtag called #ThLieLama. This is very sad indeed and it will not get any better for them because they have been using lies as the basis of their ruling.

What is puzzling is how can the CTA operate in this way when they are a so-called Buddhist nation? Even if they do not practice Buddhism at heart, you would think they would have seen enough bad repercussion/consequences from bad actions? 

 

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2018, 08:44:04 PM »
Second thing is... if and when the Dalai Lama does go back to Tibet --- NO MORE TALKING ABOUT DORJE SHUGDEN IS BAD etc. etc. etc. Do you think China will allow that kind of speech that creates segregation and division in people? Oh no no, that's the end of it. So why is the Dalai Lama begging to return to Tibet now and doing everything he can, even talking to the Rangzens to support his vision/mission? We need to think bigger.

HHDL did say he wants to go back to Tibet. This is a move to ensure Tibetans of a place to stay as India is no longer as hospitable as before. Can't blame the Indians. Imagine these 60-year refugees sucking up all of India's resources plus taking all that $$$ from those Free Tibet organisations? Indians are not stupid. They can see what these sly Tibetans are up to.

Here's the article by Guardian where CTA's PM is asking Tibetans to make HHDL's wish to go back to Tibet come true.
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/01/pm-in-exile-urges-tibetans-to-make-dalai-lamas-return-a-reality]

BTW, I think for someone who is running a government-in-exile WITHOUT an actual country, Lobsang Sangay sure is ahead of himself calling himself PM. Only countries like China, India, Japan with actual country have Prime Ministers.

What Lobang Sangay is selling is a Tibetan pipe dream. This year he has repeated what he did last year. He travelled to countries to engage them into Tibetan dream while getting donations. No country is going to buy into his dream anymore and give donations freely to greedy Lobsang Sangay. Why? There is no significant benefit for them because the Tibetan victim card has been overused. No one is willing to irritate big China. Tibetan in exiled is this tiny mole while China is the giant elephant.


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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2018, 11:47:17 PM »

It is all a facade to fool the Western people and the media. For years they have bought this great deception on Tibetan-exile government.


The Tibetan Parliament-in-exile is like a really bad reality TV show. There is no substance to the topics that are tabled. Nothing on the living conditions of the Tibetans-in-exile and plans on how to improve the Tibetan settlements in India.

What there is plenty of discussions on are all the things that attract foreign funding, playing up all the usual US anti-China issues such as human rights, China oppressing Tibetan's freedom of religion and belief, bla bla bla.

And all this pretence of being a democracy is due to the fact that the Tibetans would not be able to get any US funding if they were a Theocracy or in the Tibetan case, it would be Religious Dictatorship.


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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #26 on: June 16, 2018, 01:43:09 AM »
I have heard that Tibetans can be very indirect. It is common for most Asians to speak in such way, it is the norm. One has to read between the lines rather than explicitly stated. The fact that Dalai Lama is both a political and a spiritual head make whatever he said becomes an order that must carried out without question while the advise seems to be optional for the Westerners.

Yes, most Asians do talk indirectly, and most westerners do not understand this. They will only hear the part of message which generally sounds good to westerners, but do not know the deeper meaning. Just an example, the "advice" and called for "referendum". This is just a joke by itself.

CTA is harping on the fact that most Tibetans are inert, and dare not speak up. Look at Sangay, who has graduated from Harvard with a PhD in law. He definitely learnt what is democracy, but instead of standing up for Tibetans, he sees the opportunity to abuse them, and I must say he did very well in abusing them. He didn't use his knowledge to teach the people to understand their rights. He didn't use his knowledge to setup a true democratic government, such that when Tibet is taken back, they will be ready to run the country.

I pray there is someone in Tibet who can inspire Tibetans to learn more about their rights, and start to question their government, not to challenge HH Dalai Lama, but to check and balance, to stop corruption, stop abuse of power, stop abuse of money.

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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2018, 05:38:01 AM »
This is indeed a must read post if one wishes to understand Tibetans in general and Dorje Shugden issue better. Tibetans like Asians they talk quite indirectly, is not that straight forward. May be that's one of the reason Westerners or non-Tibetans not able to grab the real meanings of what the Dalai Lama going to sy and means with his words. Listening to his speech and taking tge surface meanings for most of the time one missed the gist of it.

Most often, if one noticed, the Dalai Lama or Tibetan politicians would insert many proverbs in their speech, which are with double layers of meanings and rooted in Tibetan culture and only those familiar with the culture gotten the real message. If not for someone familiar with the culture pointed out like the post as the guide to many, many would take the surface meaning of the Dalai Lama's speech. This is especially the Dalai Lama good and a.ways skillfully giggle and jokes at same pioints of his speech, while he was actually giving instruction and hint the abbots or some leaders to do something.

Of course like most of the leaders around the world have been doing, when comes to some "discriminative" or sensitive speech or notes on certain races, faith or community groups, which are not so of universal values, leaders including the DalainLama tend to talk in front of small group, not on a mass gathering or event with international media or groups of people present.

Take the example of referendum, the referendum alone seems like something democracy, respecting people's views, but if one really watch the video when the idea was voiced up by the Dalai Lama, it was actually an instruction to carry out according to his way.

May be it's time Tibetan society moves out from the feudal sociey mindset, give their democracy a real name by exercising their rights to challenge their leaders, using some logics and reasoning before blindly follow.

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2018, 07:24:45 PM »
CTA is harping on the fact that most Tibetans are inert, and dare not speak up. Look at Sangay, who has graduated from Harvard with a PhD in law. He definitely learnt what is democracy, but instead of standing up for Tibetans, he sees the opportunity to abuse them, and I must say he did very well in abusing them. He didn't use his knowledge to teach the people to understand their rights. He didn't use his knowledge to setup a true democratic government, such that when Tibet is taken back, they will be ready to run the country.

I pray there is someone in Tibet who can inspire Tibetans to learn more about their rights, and start to question their government, not to challenge HH Dalai Lama, but to check and balance, to stop corruption, stop abuse of power, stop abuse of money.

The only logical explanation why Lobsang Sangay joined the CTA and ran for election is that he wanted to take full advantage of the Tibetan customs. He knows he can really take advantage of the situation and he can really benefit from the huge donations that are ready to be corrupted. He takes full advantage of people's impression on Tibetan and the Tibetans self-made victimized image, constantly playing the "We are being bullied by China" card and ride on politicians' jealousy of China's economic power and the white supremacy racist ideology. Interesting how human minds work, they can look hate the Chinese but sympathized with the Tibetans who are also Asians and people of colour. Maybe it is easier to hate JUST the Chinese, so they do not need to go around hating ALL coloured people.

I must say that Sangay is very good at selling the "Tibetans are Victim" story to the world and get many donations for his own use. For a victim and poor Tibetan, supposedly, how can he afford a house in the US & manage to pay off the mortgage within his first term as the Sikyong. Unless he has a high salary for this which will be illogical, or he receives favours from people for his power. We know he likes to blackmail people through his speech we get to watch on Youtube and read on news channels. He sexually assaulted Leslie Butterfield who was an intern at ICT and got away with it by blackmailing the people at ICT to cut their access to His Holiness https://thetibetstar.com/2018/02/21/president-sangay-and-the-sexual-assault-on-ms-leslie-butterfield/. Another example is the US1.5 million from Tibet Fund as a loan to the CTA for their office purchase in Washington DC. He threatened the finance officers to stop their access to His Holiness if they do not change their account item from loan to donations. Sangay also launched an attack at Mila Rangzen for exposing his sexual assaults and etc.

If Sangay is a genuine leader, his conduct will be totally different and people will truly adore and respect him. With all these dirty tricks and his close relationship with Dhardon Sharling and much more young and attractive woman, what hope is there for the Tibetans?

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Re: The hidden message in the Dalai Lama's speech!
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2018, 03:17:16 AM »
The article captures all the details of the video that one would easily missed.

I have heard that Tibetans can be very indirect. It is common for most Asians to speak in such way, it is the norm. One has to read between the lines rather than explicitly stated. The fact that Dalai Lama is both a political and a spiritual head make whatever he said becomes an order that must carried out without question while the advise seems to be optional for the Westerners.

There doesn't seem to be any repercussions if you choose not to follow the advise but for the Tibetans it is very clear. The Tibetans must divide themselves between those who stop praying to Dorje Shugden and those who continue to pray. It is a black and white separation, right and wrong. Since the Dalai Lama has stopped therefore you're in the wrong if you continue to pray to Dorje Shugden. That is how the Tibetans view it. Certainly it is difficult dilemma if you have been praying to deity and were asked to stop.  :(

I totally agree with you on this one. His Holiness have been acting different in front of westerners and tibetans. The westerners are not familiar with Tibetan's culture and they way they talk. That is why the westerners says that there is no ban on Dorje Shugden practice and His Holiness is merely just advising against it.

I have seen the video of how His Holiness ordered a referendum using coloured sticks in the monastery. The way he talked about it is so subtle and also sounds like democracy but it isn't. He put pressured on the abbots, teachers, and also the administration by mentioning their name during the talk to make sure it is carried out. This is how His Holiness gives instruction. Very subtle.