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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2018, 01:43:20 PM »
India again announcing that no anti-Chinese activity will be allowed. Of course, we know this means the Tibetan protests by the Tibetans in Exile in India. So, isn't this the 'Tibet Card' again in a different manner? Now, India is not using Tibetans to irritate China anymore, but to appease China.

Delhi says no anti-Chinese activity will be allowed in India

China has assured India that it will, in future, consider any additional information that is provided on Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar to designate him as an international terrorist.

The assurance was given by Minister of Public Security of the People’s Republic of China, Zhao Kezhi, to Home Minister Rajnath Singh at a high-level meeting held in New Delhi last week.

Dalai Lama’s visit

On its part, India said its territory would not be used for any political activity against China, when Beijing raised the visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh in 2016.

The Doklam stand-off between the armies of the two countries at the China-Sikkim-Bhutan tri-junction last year, which lasted for over two months, was not raised by either side.

China had blocked India’s proposal to designate Azhar as an international terrorist at a UN sanctions committee. “The Chinese Minister also promised action on United Liberation Front of Assam leader Paresh Baruah, who is said to be hiding in China. He said they would consider any fresh information provided by India on both Azhar and Baruah,” said a senior government official.

China considers Arunachal Pradesh a disputed territory and has referred to Tibetan leader Dalai Lama as a “separatist.” China was categorical that no protests or demonstrations should be organised by the Tibetans here.

‘A spiritual leader’

“They wanted to raise the so-called disputed status of Arunachal Pradesh, but we did not agree to include it in the agenda. The Chinese delegation was assured that no political activity against the Chinese will be allowed from any Indian territory and as far as the Dalai Lama is concerned, he is a spiritual Tibetan leader who was given shelter in India,” said the official.

Beijing also raised the unrest in Xinjiang province and sought India’s cooperation on the movement of Uighur militants.

‘No Uighur militants’

“There is no evidence of the movement of Uighur militants in India, but the Chinese raised the subject as they have an apprehension that they may use India as a transit. They were assured that no such activity will be allowed,” said the official.

On October 22, India and China signed an agreement to “strengthen and consolidate discussions and cooperation in the areas of counter-terrorism, organised crime, drug control and other such relevant areas.”

A Memorandum of Understanding had been signed in 2005 with China, but that lapsed two years ago.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/will-consider-information-on-azhar-china-tells-india/article25347756.ece

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2018, 05:25:51 PM »
India again announcing that no anti-Chinese activity will be allowed. Of course, we know this means the Tibetan protests by the Tibetans in Exile in India. So, isn't this the 'Tibet Card' again in a different manner? Now, India is not using Tibetans to irritate China anymore, but to appease China.

Delhi says no anti-Chinese activity will be allowed in India

China has assured India that it will, in future, consider any additional information that is provided on Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar to designate him as an international terrorist.

The assurance was given by Minister of Public Security of the People’s Republic of China, Zhao Kezhi, to Home Minister Rajnath Singh at a high-level meeting held in New Delhi last week.

Dalai Lama’s visit

On its part, India said its territory would not be used for any political activity against China, when Beijing raised the visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh in 2016.

The Doklam stand-off between the armies of the two countries at the China-Sikkim-Bhutan tri-junction last year, which lasted for over two months, was not raised by either side.

China had blocked India’s proposal to designate Azhar as an international terrorist at a UN sanctions committee. “The Chinese Minister also promised action on United Liberation Front of Assam leader Paresh Baruah, who is said to be hiding in China. He said they would consider any fresh information provided by India on both Azhar and Baruah,” said a senior government official.

China considers Arunachal Pradesh a disputed territory and has referred to Tibetan leader Dalai Lama as a “separatist.” China was categorical that no protests or demonstrations should be organised by the Tibetans here.

‘A spiritual leader’

“They wanted to raise the so-called disputed status of Arunachal Pradesh, but we did not agree to include it in the agenda. The Chinese delegation was assured that no political activity against the Chinese will be allowed from any Indian territory and as far as the Dalai Lama is concerned, he is a spiritual Tibetan leader who was given shelter in India,” said the official.

Beijing also raised the unrest in Xinjiang province and sought India’s cooperation on the movement of Uighur militants.

‘No Uighur militants’

“There is no evidence of the movement of Uighur militants in India, but the Chinese raised the subject as they have an apprehension that they may use India as a transit. They were assured that no such activity will be allowed,” said the official.

On October 22, India and China signed an agreement to “strengthen and consolidate discussions and cooperation in the areas of counter-terrorism, organised crime, drug control and other such relevant areas.”

A Memorandum of Understanding had been signed in 2005 with China, but that lapsed two years ago.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/will-consider-information-on-azhar-china-tells-india/article25347756.ece

This really should send a very clear message to the Tibetan Leaders where India is leaning towards....its definitely not CTA. It sure is clear that India is going out of their way to accommodate China as they will receive benefits in kind. CTA has never given anything to India but instead India had to time and again put up with their nonsense, on top of being so kind and generous to them as their host. Imagine allowing your guests to govern under their own terms of their subjects like a real government? Who would be that generous and trusting? Well, now India is learning the lesson that these Tibetans will never be the grateful guests as they should be. Instead they also look down on the Indians as 2nd best, as can be seen with their migration pattern, seeking America, Europe or any other countries first, leaving India as their last and final choice. Such ingratitude! So India should rightly act in their own self interest as their economical stability will help their people to better opportunities. Once the Dalai Lama goes back to China Tibet, CTA is doomed!!

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2018, 08:49:44 PM »
India again announcing that no anti-Chinese activity will be allowed. Of course, we know this means the Tibetan protests by the Tibetans in Exile in India. So, isn't this the 'Tibet Card' again in a different manner? Now, India is not using Tibetans to irritate China anymore, but to appease China.

Delhi says no anti-Chinese activity will be allowed in India

China has assured India that it will, in future, consider any additional information that is provided on Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) chief Masood Azhar to designate him as an international terrorist.

The assurance was given by Minister of Public Security of the People’s Republic of China, Zhao Kezhi, to Home Minister Rajnath Singh at a high-level meeting held in New Delhi last week.

Dalai Lama’s visit

On its part, India said its territory would not be used for any political activity against China, when Beijing raised the visit of the Dalai Lama to Arunachal Pradesh in 2016.

The Doklam stand-off between the armies of the two countries at the China-Sikkim-Bhutan tri-junction last year, which lasted for over two months, was not raised by either side.

China had blocked India’s proposal to designate Azhar as an international terrorist at a UN sanctions committee. “The Chinese Minister also promised action on United Liberation Front of Assam leader Paresh Baruah, who is said to be hiding in China. He said they would consider any fresh information provided by India on both Azhar and Baruah,” said a senior government official.

China considers Arunachal Pradesh a disputed territory and has referred to Tibetan leader Dalai Lama as a “separatist.” China was categorical that no protests or demonstrations should be organised by the Tibetans here.

‘A spiritual leader’

“They wanted to raise the so-called disputed status of Arunachal Pradesh, but we did not agree to include it in the agenda. The Chinese delegation was assured that no political activity against the Chinese will be allowed from any Indian territory and as far as the Dalai Lama is concerned, he is a spiritual Tibetan leader who was given shelter in India,” said the official.

Beijing also raised the unrest in Xinjiang province and sought India’s cooperation on the movement of Uighur militants.

‘No Uighur militants’

“There is no evidence of the movement of Uighur militants in India, but the Chinese raised the subject as they have an apprehension that they may use India as a transit. They were assured that no such activity will be allowed,” said the official.

On October 22, India and China signed an agreement to “strengthen and consolidate discussions and cooperation in the areas of counter-terrorism, organised crime, drug control and other such relevant areas.”

A Memorandum of Understanding had been signed in 2005 with China, but that lapsed two years ago.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/will-consider-information-on-azhar-china-tells-india/article25347756.ece

Looks like China is negotiating with India, instead of the Central Tibetan Administration regarding Tibetans-in-exile situation. So all the claims by the Central Tibetan Administration about the 'backdoor talks' may be real?

Chinese minister Kezhi’s visit to India had definite Tibet focus

JAYADEVA RANADE
Updated :  November 3, 2018,  5:38 PM
 
Chinese leadership has been paying increased attention to Tibet. Zhao Kezhi’s briefing to Xi Jinping will be an important input in shaping policy on India.
 
Obviously high on the agenda of Chinese State Councillor and Minister of Public Security Zhao Kezhi and his 20-member delegation, which arrived in India on 22 October before going on to Bangladesh, were Tibet-related issues including that of the Dalai Lama. Notwithstanding that the visit was part of Beijing’s effort to portray that ties between China and India are improving consequent to the “informal” meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping at Wuhan, Chinese troops intruded into Arunachal Pradesh just days prior to Zhao Kezhi’s arrival.

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/chinese-minister-kezhis-visit-india-definite-tibet-focus

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2018, 04:17:50 PM »

Looks like China is negotiating with India, instead of the Central Tibetan Administration regarding Tibetans-in-exile situation. So all the claims by the Central Tibetan Administration about the 'backdoor talks' may be real?

Chinese minister Kezhi’s visit to India had definite Tibet focus

JAYADEVA RANADE
Updated :  November 3, 2018,  5:38 PM
 
Chinese leadership has been paying increased attention to Tibet. Zhao Kezhi’s briefing to Xi Jinping will be an important input in shaping policy on India.
 
Obviously high on the agenda of Chinese State Councillor and Minister of Public Security Zhao Kezhi and his 20-member delegation, which arrived in India on 22 October before going on to Bangladesh, were Tibet-related issues including that of the Dalai Lama. Notwithstanding that the visit was part of Beijing’s effort to portray that ties between China and India are improving consequent to the “informal” meeting between Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping at Wuhan, Chinese troops intruded into Arunachal Pradesh just days prior to Zhao Kezhi’s arrival.

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/chinese-minister-kezhis-visit-india-definite-tibet-focus

I would say that China should actually have the Dalai Lama back in Tibet/China :

1. With the Dalai Lama in Tibet/China, the recognition of future 15th Dalai Lama by the Chinese will gain better acceptance. Especially since the Dalai Lama had acknowledged that the current 11th Panchen Lama recognised under the Chinese regime is a real incarnation. This had given credence to China and the Panchen Lama to recognise future Dalai Lama. The position of the Dalai Lama still commands a high level of loyalty and with skillfulness, can be used to win the hearts of Buddhists in Tibet, China and worldwide.

2. With the Dalai Lama in Tibet/China, the matter of sovereignty of Tibet can be solved once and for all. As many view the Dalai Lama as head of Tibet, then any agreement between the Dalai Lama and China will be viewed as final. As such CTA or the exiles that had not return to Tibet will no longer have the cause to pursue Free Tibet. If the Tibetans work with China on good governance of Tibet, then in time China will relax her grip to focus on other areas of need.

3. With the Dalai Lama in Tibet/China, there should be no existence of "refugees" as they would go back with the Dalai Lama. For those who remain behind do so as their own choice and as such should not be considered as refugees anymore. Therefore, India need not provide the land if there are no "refugees" and CTA will have no land (no people) to govern over. Bye Bye CTA!

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2018, 12:14:47 PM »
Whether or not India is using Tibet as a 'card' to challenge China is not so important now. If the Tibetans want India to continue to support them, they have to change their attitude. First of all, they should appreciate that Nehru was very kind to welcome them to settle down in India and even allowed them to have their government in exile.

For the past 60 years, not only the lands were given to them to rebuild their homes, but they were also given many benefits and access to the public facilities in India. They are treated very well in India. The best part is, the Tibetans don't have to contribute anything to the Indian tax system.

But yet, the Tibetans are very ungrateful. Having received so many benefits and support from India, they still want more. They make fake documents to cheat money from the Indian government. Even though the CTA knows about it, they did not do anything to resolve the problem, they just keep quiet. This has really angered the Indians. No wonder India does not want to support them anymore.

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2018, 09:25:14 PM »
Whether or not India is using Tibet as a 'card' to challenge China is not so important now. If the Tibetans want India to continue to support them, they have to change their attitude. First of all, they should appreciate that Nehru was very kind to welcome them to settle down in India and even allowed them to have their government in exile.

For the past 60 years, not only the lands were given to them to rebuild their homes, but they were also given many benefits and access to the public facilities in India. They are treated very well in India. The best part is, the Tibetans don't have to contribute anything to the Indian tax system.

But yet, the Tibetans are very ungrateful. Having received so many benefits and support from India, they still want more. They make fake documents to cheat money from the Indian government. Even though the CTA knows about it, they did not do anything to resolve the problem, they just keep quiet. This has really angered the Indians. No wonder India does not want to support them anymore.

India has been selected China over Tibetans and it will be only more and more now. What did Tibetans do for India in this 60 years? They use their land for free. They do not need to give tax to the Indian government even though they are doing business here. They are extremely well off and having a good and easy life staying in India.

While Indians are suffering in the slums in India, Tibetans are staying in big houses and have a nice car to drive around. What will the Indian think if they see all of this? Their government is struggling to help their people but ever ready to serve the Tibetans. It is very unfair for Tibetans to do this to Indians.

Indians have been voicing out on social media for their displease of what the Tibetans said or do. I think it is a matter of time where the Indians will chase Tibetans away and out form their country. Tibetans should start to think about what they want to achieve and quickly do it or assimilate into Indian society which they should been.

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2019, 11:35:12 AM »
Nowadays, people talk about mutual interest, what can you give me and what can I give you. So what can the Tibetans give India? India definitely has given a lot to the Tibetans but the Tibetans have nothing to give back to India. Not only they don't have anything to give, but they give problems to India.

Modi wants to have a closer and better trade relationship with China. The market in China is big and the market in India is big too. If both can work together, the economic benefit is beyond imagination. Both countries are said to be the next 2 big brothers of the world's economy. China progresses very fast and they are very successful in improving the lives of their people. There is so much China can offer to India to help them grow their economy.

As for the Tibetans, there is really nothing they can give India. They survive on donations, they don't contribute into Indian's tax system. The Indian government has to give them lands and benefits to help them because they are refugees. They contribute nothing to Indian's economic growth. Therefore, it is not surprising that India wants to give up the 'Tibet Card'.

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Re: India gives up ‘Tibet Card’
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2019, 10:00:45 PM »
Nowadays, people talk about mutual interest, what can you give me and what can I give you. So what can the Tibetans give India? India definitely has given a lot to the Tibetans but the Tibetans have nothing to give back to India. Not only they don't have anything to give, but they give problems to India.

Modi wants to have a closer and better trade relationship with China. The market in China is big and the market in India is big too. If both can work together, the economic benefit is beyond imagination. Both countries are said to be the next 2 big brothers of the world's economy. China progresses very fast and they are very successful in improving the lives of their people. There is so much China can offer to India to help them grow their economy.

As for the Tibetans, there is really nothing they can give India. They survive on donations, they don't contribute into Indian's tax system. The Indian government has to give them lands and benefits to help them because they are refugees. They contribute nothing to Indian's economic growth. Therefore, it is not surprising that India wants to give up the 'Tibet Card'.

Tibetans only gave problems to India over the 60 years that they are living in India. Despite getting millions of donation, they could have easily helped India or give something back to the Indian society. However, they did not and continue to take from India.

It was exposed that some of the Tibetans are abusing the system to get more benefits from the government. This is how ungrateful the Tibetans are. The Indian society has been giving them aids for years and they did not ask Tibetans to pay for anything. Is this how the Tibetans repay kindness? By cheating and also scamming?

Now that the karma has come back when India wanted to get into China's good book now. Since the Tibetans have not been accommodating and also giving troubles to India, it is easy for India to make a choice. Now that India had made a choice, the Tibetans should start planning when they will be leaving India because it will not be long.